*Hi Rick!* Always a pleasure to hear his dulcet tones voice-overs whilst staring at Mopar engines. 🙂 Oh right, you asked about the block - 30 over all dang day, Joe. I assume there's going to be some piston matching to bores going on (since pistons ain't perfect either). I will much enjoy seeing the Gen3 come out of that Challenger - don't get me wrong, I own a couple of those in late model critters now and they're fine - but I like period-correct engines in cars. Silly me... - Ed on the Ridge
Think I’d stay with .30 Had 2 440’s nothing beats the sound and torque of a 440. With a few nice bolt ons, it’ll run for a long time and always put a smile on your face !👍
I recently had the same dilemma, i went to 40 over because you have the block right there...make it right.i would have been 2nd guessing myself at night if i had not. Lol
Best bullshit line ever. I rarely drive my cars hard and spin my tires then inject the cuda😂. So if its a street car your just going to cruise and the block cleans up 30 over. 40 cool too because then you get rid of any taper but it measured good so fck it run it lol budget build. My race motors are 60 over. Then i have a 454 so i can give my shevy guys crap.😂 i am so glad your going 440 in the chally. ❤
.60 do it right the first time and hog that bad boy out and crank it up to the best you can afford to make it JMJ! Just a old man's opinion but you can go thirty or fourty over and then when you are going to have to rebuild it due to the wear and tear down the road you will still have meat in the block for sleeves or just a .060 bore and stroker kit or something that you would like to do to it. Great evening and enjoy your day tomorrow.
Id go 40 just to be 100% sure. I believe as is it would be fine. But, id like to be positive. Just me. Take care and im looking forward to seeing and hearing it run.
That’d be a great idea. But it’s already machined, if I built it and it failed, I could just swap it all to a new block. That’s only a day at my place 😂
@@RichieCat4223 it isn’t finish honed at all. This was a mystery block that had rust in the bores. No idea who machined it previously, and no idea what size was. It was fast and easy to load it into the hone and give each hole 10 strokes. Knocked out the rust and was easy access with the dial bore gauge. I don’t have pistons yet, and it’s not finish honed.
Daily Driver street engine? The Machinist seems to think it'll be close enough for that purpose. If it does wear out again after decent service, perhaps there will be room for an additional overbore on a future rebuild...
If I watched this right and paid enough attention then the evens bank still has some small rust pits? (On my morning coffee so not fully with it in case I missed something 3:45 ) Go another 10 and call it at +.040 and ensuring a deep hatch and that does still leave another 20 for desperate measures later. Then again I'm the guy who pulls apart a junkyard motor, does that sandpaper hone you mentioned, clean up the pistons and ring grooves... then slap it all together. drop in a car then pull the pin. Only lost 2 motors in my life and they were to a certain orange oil filter company. Besides, if you really need a good 440 you can come up to montucky and relieve me of this 71 440 and +.030 *factory* 383 from 68.
I could see if you are going to drive it everywhere and anywhere everyday but a Gen 3 Hemi in the most iconic car of my generation is not going to cut it and I was wandering what was in the original one and your car originally? I have always thought of it being a 383 built to the hilt but my old memory is not as good as it once was. Great evening and enjoy your day tomorrow JMJ!
I am now confused - It miked 0.030 over. And you r honing it to 0.030 over. Assure roundness ? Establish a certain surface finish/plateau ? How can that be attained without making it somewhat larger than 0.030 ?
The bores all had varied sizes. My guess is that the machinist who initially did it did not have as nice of bore gauge as Rick’s, or they had just did a “good enough” job on it. We are in a tight spot here, because the bores had some surface rust from sitting in the corner. I’m absolutely good with sacrificing some metal to achieve a better finish. I definitely think going bore by bore and mating each one to each piston will help some. The current plan is stay .030.
Well. If it was me. What is available to complete the build the way you want it. 30 over seems more popular but can you get the parts You want. If not is 40 more achievable with the parts You want? Availability and your budget should be driving the car of your dreams bus.
Correct. We went in thinking it was .060 over, as I was told. This process was just to clean the surface rust up and get a more accurate measurement on the cylinder. Rick does have a big block plate. When pistons get here, we can mic them and move forward.
I still don’t know if I would go .030 or .040
@@rickseeman5679 I’ve got a man digging for pistons in the morning
Looks like a usable. 030 over block.
Nice that it wasn't. 060.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Ed. That was good news. The correct year block for my car!
Great work joe
@@pauldhiman8369 thanks brother
Nice! Great to see a good old original style engine going back in the challenger! I'd go 30!👍
That's the plan! Itll be such a sweet simple and effective build. Maybe I can go for a chassis dyno with it
All the bells and whistles!!!
🔔 and 😗
Thicker walls seal better and make more power!
Mo power!
Use it as is, will be fine.
Absolutely!
Good to have a guy like Rick in your corner! Sounds like you've got a winner at .030. Guess we'll wait and see which direction you go.
Thanks T!
30 and go, you'll feel better all trued up.
For sure
Its good send it!
To the 🌙
.030 over is where I would go Joe !
Yes sir 👍🏼
Run it Joe!
Send it!
I would go with 0.030" over ... looking forward to seeing more of this build...thanks Joe...🔧🔧👍
Thanks brother. It was a good opportunity to get it in to Rick’s to checkout!
Glad to see you putting the 440 in the Challenger!
Absolutely! Glad it’s looking good now
I'd save the meat &stay at 30 👍 👍 👍 👍
For sure 👍🏼
Brunch!!
Perfect 😂
Always go with the lower number that will clean up the bores more meat mo better Mopar.
Thanks John!
*Hi Rick!*
Always a pleasure to hear his dulcet tones voice-overs whilst staring at Mopar engines. 🙂
Oh right, you asked about the block - 30 over all dang day, Joe. I assume there's going to be
some piston matching to bores going on (since pistons ain't perfect either).
I will much enjoy seeing the Gen3 come out of that Challenger - don't get me wrong, I own a
couple of those in late model critters now and they're fine - but I like period-correct engines in
cars. Silly me...
- Ed on the Ridge
Thanks Ed! Gen 3 is down the road
All about that base! 😂
💥💨🐐
I’m falling in with the 030 over crowd! Plenty left over for future builds… that is if you don’t miss a gear and window that block! Lol.
Haha! Gears will be missed, but I think it’ll be good
Think I’d stay with .30 Had 2 440’s nothing beats the sound and torque of a 440. With a few nice bolt ons, it’ll run for a long time and always put a smile on your face !👍
Agreed! Thanks Tim
I recently had the same dilemma, i went to 40 over because you have the block right there...make it right.i would have been 2nd guessing myself at night if i had not. Lol
It’s true, but I have so many projects, I can’t decide which one keeps me up at night!
No Joe,🥶stick with .030.
🎯
The real star here is Joe's ram truck pickups parts tows cars n never skips a beat. EFI at is finest.
Haha! It’s been a soldier. I recommend a catch can on the new hemis for sure
Do 30 over..it will be mint. I'm jealous tho, I need my 440 built now.
Haha! I know a guy!
Stick with the.030 🔥🕳️
🎯
.030 save .040 for the next build 10 years down the road lol.
Like it! 🫡
Best bullshit line ever. I rarely drive my cars hard and spin my tires then inject the cuda😂. So if its a street car your just going to cruise and the block cleans up 30 over. 40 cool too because then you get rid of any taper but it measured good so fck it run it lol budget build. My race motors are 60 over. Then i have a 454 so i can give my shevy guys crap.😂 i am so glad your going 440 in the chally. ❤
I’m glad someone noticed 😂. It’s too great. A 70 440 in a 70’ model car that’s only .030. I’ll give it a good road test😂
.60 do it right the first time and hog that bad boy out and crank it up to the best you can afford to make it JMJ! Just a old man's opinion but you can go thirty or fourty over and then when you are going to have to rebuild it due to the wear and tear down the road you will still have meat in the block for sleeves or just a .060 bore and stroker kit or something that you would like to do to it. Great evening and enjoy your day tomorrow.
Thanks John! They do have a .035 over stroker piston…
Dam joe that hair
I personally would do .030 over. Leaves room if it needs bored in the future.
Thanks brother! I had a pretty good inclination about it. This block is a gift horse so far. Will report 🫡
Id go 40 just to be 100% sure. I believe as is it would be fine. But, id like to be positive. Just me. Take care and im looking forward to seeing and hearing it run.
Thanks Ron!
Depends upon use and which pistons are you using . forged pistons need more clearance . Or, ,035" over
The jury is out, but it’s definitely getting good machine work.
Hells bells Joe, stay with .030 over. Is so close to perfect now. Rings will seat good, a fairly nice crosshatch. Are you going to magnaflux it?
That’d be a great idea. But it’s already machined, if I built it and it failed, I could just swap it all to a new block. That’s only a day at my place 😂
@@JustMoparJoe Upon further thought, Ed would probably have found it if there was a crack. He would have a good nose for that I think.
.030, it's in great shape
Absolutely
The more meat left between the boom tubes the better, if .030 will do why go any bigger 👍
I dig it! Thanks brother
I just picked up a 70 440 yesterdayi day stay 30 like he says I like the meat in ther 30
Meat to please!
O3o Joe brother save your block im figureing that's whers you are going
Definitely close enough! Thanks Grand. More to come
I would let it go at .030 over, save the money and put it towards an 8 inch converter for the Barracuda.
Oh man! Rick said don’t touch the cuda if I’m having .00 lights 😝
Id order .30 over coated pistons and hone to fit if its square and true....
That’s legit
.030 sounds good
Yes sir
.030 and go 👍🏻
🎯🎯🎯
Run it.
Send it! 🫡
Stay with the 30 over
Amen
Didn't use a torque plate to hone the block?
@@RichieCat4223 it isn’t finish honed at all. This was a mystery block that had rust in the bores. No idea who machined it previously, and no idea what size was. It was fast and easy to load it into the hone and give each hole 10 strokes. Knocked out the rust and was easy access with the dial bore gauge. I don’t have pistons yet, and it’s not finish honed.
@@JustMoparJoe Thanks
30 ! But what do i know ?????
You know a few good men
If the Bores cleaned up stay .030 over if not go .040 or you could coat the pistons then hone
That’s a good idea. I’ll probably go .030 and let it ride. There’s d as I many engines running around with .005+ wear that no one ever questions.
Leave it 30 over Gap the rings run some forged pistons and rods and run some laughing gas to it😂
Perfect! 👍🏼
Stay at .30 and put the fattest two of the pistons in the two holes with a little extra room🤷🏼♂️
That’s thinking the right way!
I’d leave it and have the pistons coated by Line 2 line coatings. Mr. Vizard recommended them in his video.
I’ve definitely heard of that .
Daily Driver street engine? The Machinist seems to think it'll be close enough for that purpose. If it does wear out again after decent service, perhaps there will be room for an additional overbore on a future rebuild...
I like the way you think! Thanks brother
I would go 30 and have a bit more clearance
Yea buddy!
Stick with,o30
Yes sir 🫡
If I watched this right and paid enough attention then the evens bank still has some small rust pits? (On my morning coffee so not fully with it in case I missed something 3:45 ) Go another 10 and call it at +.040 and ensuring a deep hatch and that does still leave another 20 for desperate measures later. Then again I'm the guy who pulls apart a junkyard motor, does that sandpaper hone you mentioned, clean up the pistons and ring grooves... then slap it all together. drop in a car then pull the pin. Only lost 2 motors in my life and they were to a certain orange oil filter company. Besides, if you really need a good 440 you can come up to montucky and relieve me of this 71 440 and +.030 *factory* 383 from 68.
Thanks brother. There’s still some metal to play with there. We stopped and are waiting on pistons to finish the process.
I could see if you are going to drive it everywhere and anywhere everyday but a Gen 3 Hemi in the most iconic car of my generation is not going to cut it and I was wandering what was in the original one and your car originally? I have always thought of it being a 383 built to the hilt but my old memory is not as good as it once was. Great evening and enjoy your day tomorrow JMJ!
.030 Leave some for the next generation.
I see what you did there!
I am now confused -
It miked 0.030 over.
And you r honing it to 0.030 over.
Assure roundness ?
Establish a certain surface finish/plateau ?
How can that be attained without making it somewhat larger than 0.030 ?
The bores all had varied sizes. My guess is that the machinist who initially did it did not have as nice of bore gauge as Rick’s, or they had just did a “good enough” job on it. We are in a tight spot here, because the bores had some surface rust from sitting in the corner. I’m absolutely good with sacrificing some metal to achieve a better finish. I definitely think going bore by bore and mating each one to each piston will help some. The current plan is stay .030.
Neat stuff Joe. Is that the Rick that did the Hemi build series?
That’s the one! He and my dad were hanging out way before I was born
GLYPTAL, strangest automotive word hehe. .040 over would be ok for me. the straighter the bore the better.but 30 is nicer for heat
I think it’s so close at .031, that it needs tried!
@@JustMoparJoe expand pistons LOL.
Either one will be a good build for a Street Car, just ask me. I’m kind of a Street Car expert. 🦶🏾
Street cars and Bigfoots
.030 and build it!
agree.
For sure
Just split the difference and go .035. 😂
There we go 😂
.030. If at all possible. More meat the better but you already know that. Tis a 440.
Mopar or no car!
I'd be at .030 without batting an eye....
You and me both! Thanks Tim!
.040. All cylinders will match. And no replacement for displacement lol.
That does sound sexy. Rick has a profilometer too. I could have top notch!
@@JustMoparJoe Yes you would be.
Keep it as is. .030"
🫡
Well. If it was me. What is available to complete the build the way you want it. 30 over seems more popular but can you get the parts You want. If not is 40 more achievable with the parts You want? Availability and your budget should be driving the car of your dreams bus.
Agreed. My racecar eats the budget 😆
Leve it 30 over
Absolutely!
Stick with 30 mate
Yes sir 👍🏼
I would leave it a .030 - a little loose is better
Yea buddy. I think you’re on to something
Stay at .030
🎯
.030 over
👍🏼
what no torque plates !!
Correct. We went in thinking it was .060 over, as I was told. This process was just to clean the surface rust up and get a more accurate measurement on the cylinder. Rick does have a big block plate. When pistons get here, we can mic them and move forward.
.030
Absolutely
.030
Deal!
.030
All day