Joining Cast Iron with Oakum and Lead

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  • Опубликовано: 4 май 2018

Комментарии • 86

  • @bugattivi7110
    @bugattivi7110 3 года назад +17

    That motherfucking joint going last 1000 years what a master good job

    • @jasbirsmith299
      @jasbirsmith299 2 года назад +6

      Not as long lasting as you think I'm a city plumber and most joints only last 75ish years

    • @JerrySmith-ih9rd
      @JerrySmith-ih9rd Год назад +1

      It’s a good joint, but Jasbir is right. 75-100 years is the longest you usually get out of cast iron joints like that. It depends a lot on what the water content is. You gotta remember cast iron is the waste and people flush all kinds of corrosive crap down the drains. I was a plasterer in NYC and had to patch many ceilings and walls that had been chopped out for old corroded cast iron.

    • @23Markthespark
      @23Markthespark Год назад +1

      Joint will outlast the pipe

  • @wheelinndealin
    @wheelinndealin 2 года назад +10

    Should have twisted oakum and packed tighter. Also better to scrape off slag before pour. Still props for atleast knowing how to do this probably only about 10 percent of plumbers are capable of this these days.

  • @americanmilitiaman88
    @americanmilitiaman88 Год назад +5

    My grandmas house was built in the early 50s. When i was a kid i went into the crawl space and found a lead disc maybe 2 inch by 4 inch. Didnt know what it was for at the time but later realized it was a lead ingot probably left by the plumbers many years prior

  • @Tupperish
    @Tupperish 2 года назад +12

    Easy when you do it in your back yard, try doing that in a wall in-between floors.

  • @larryragsdale7003
    @larryragsdale7003 Год назад +2

    I am a union steamfitter by trade ,but I helped a plumber make a lead and oakim joint in 79 .Larry Ragsdale L.U 525 Las Vegas

  • @magicmike1499
    @magicmike1499 3 года назад +11

    Ah how i miss that smell from plumbing shop class at Alfred E Smith vocational High School in the Bronx NY

    • @nightwobble
      @nightwobble 2 года назад +1

      Nice I went to Grady but it wasn’t enough people for plumbing

  • @yak1440
    @yak1440 4 года назад +14

    Wow. A guy that actually knows what he is doing 👍🏼

  • @jasonnewberry5741
    @jasonnewberry5741 3 года назад +8

    Just put in one the other day on a mop sink drain out at Disney so bad ass how these older plumbers did thing back in the day

  • @anthonykotoff3041
    @anthonykotoff3041 3 года назад +5

    You have to give it to the older plumbers. They worked there asses off

    • @roberharpane3524
      @roberharpane3524 Год назад

      You have no idea my friend. Cast iron,, lead & oakum were the standards for drainage systems when I was in the journeyman stage learning the trade. Before there were "snap cutters" made by Ridgid,, we had to take a coal chisel tapping & scoring a line around that thick cast iron pipe until it would break. A lot of times the break wasn't even so you'd have to clean up the joint with a pipe wrench drawing it in just enough to grasp the inside of the pipe snapping off the uneven pieces that jutted out. The standard still in my area in the mid '60's for water piping was galvanized steel piping that came in 21' lengths that you'd have to set up in a vise & a stand,, cut it with a really heavy pipe cutter close to 24" long,, then thread each end so the machined fitting you bought would hopefully screw on to almost perfection. You had to "oil the dyes" repeatedly generally taking two men,, one to crank/turn the dye & the other squirting machine oil into the threading dye to make sure the dyes didn't burn up due to the intense heat the threading process undertook.
      Yeah,, compared to today's methods of thermal plastics being used for most applications,, the old methodology would be considered "a work of art" today.
      Perhaps some of the old timers reading this might even remember a sewage line product by the name of "orangeburg piping" that might be one of the worst products ever introduced to the plumbing profession. It was a fiber pipe used underground for sewer lines that would egg out after time & the joints were like feeding farms for attracting tree roots to grow into them. We'd hand dig that stuff up & to our chagrin & the homeowner's alike,,, have to tell them they truly needed to replace that junk or we could make a wholesale repair on it that might last a couple seasons at best,, until the roots grew back into it with added gusto.
      We should all be thankful for technology & the evolutions of trade work. It's doubtful too many of today's tradesmen would enjoy or even do plumbing with it's difficulty of yesterday.
      One plus? Your forearms developed like Popeye's. I could out arm wrestle guys twice my size due to the continuous turning of those dyes & cutting tools. Even at my old age,, I still have ripples in my forearms. Sorry about the long dissertation,, this just brings back fond memories & I could write for a very long time on what was compared to what is today.

  • @conqwiztadore2213
    @conqwiztadore2213 4 года назад +3

    lawll, what a funny way of joining cast iron pipes, i will learn to appreciate my mj bands more

    • @molotov_man3264
      @molotov_man3264 3 года назад

      I kinda trust this more than no hubs but this definitely would take ALOT longer

  • @shiningstaer
    @shiningstaer 5 лет назад +2

    Good work

  • @gregoryodle5947
    @gregoryodle5947 10 месяцев назад +1

    I think the oakum is better when waxed or some oil based product gives it more rot resistance.

  • @GG-tt3sg
    @GG-tt3sg 3 года назад +1

    Just beautiful

  • @flat-earther
    @flat-earther Год назад +3

    So the oakum creates a watertight seal, water inside pipe only touches the oakum made from hemp fibers, the water does not touch lead, lead keeps joint & oakum in place. Is that correct?

    • @_GOD_HAND_
      @_GOD_HAND_ Год назад +2

      This technique is used on sewer pipes, not freshwater pipes. Doesn't matter if the lead leeches through a bit over time.

  • @DanceOnCocaineLSDXTC
    @DanceOnCocaineLSDXTC Год назад +4

    I started plumbing in 2020 so this blew my mind hahaha never seen it done 😀 so cool! My question is… how did they do it on the horizontal without it falling out?

    • @SULLY-yk4sh
      @SULLY-yk4sh Год назад +4

      Used whats called a running rope, u pack ur oakum in then put the rope around, and theres a small hole at the top u pour into and it keeps the lead from leaking out

    • @chrisfs150
      @chrisfs150 Год назад

      You dont have to melt the lead into the joint...

  • @dizel_tigel
    @dizel_tigel 3 года назад

    А распечатывать кувалдой трубу пополам? Как залить свинец в горизонтальную трубу?

  • @strikerj4810
    @strikerj4810 3 месяца назад

    Whats the point of tapping it at the end?

  • @adamsmiths3016
    @adamsmiths3016 Год назад

    Why do they tap the joint at the end?

  • @sean8081a
    @sean8081a 11 месяцев назад +1

    How do you remove the joint, do you have to heat it up to melt the lead? If the joint is already loose can i keep wiggling it and it'll come apart? Thanks our house was built in 1967.

    • @strikerj4810
      @strikerj4810 3 месяца назад

      I've seen where people cut the pipe down flush and then use an appropriate hole saw bit to drill out the lead. Never tried it, but seems to work well from what I've seen.

  • @handymanheroes6463
    @handymanheroes6463 Год назад

    How is it done on a 90 though????

  • @alexstoles1339
    @alexstoles1339 5 лет назад +8

    How come u didnt remove the slag in the lead before pouring the joint?

    • @maintenance8265
      @maintenance8265 5 лет назад +2

      I think because it didn't affect the pour, also helps keep it liquified.

    • @AF-xi4ub
      @AF-xi4ub 4 года назад +5

      The slag needs to be removed. The cleaner the joint the better the joint. That crust is dirt and other contaminates that found its way in during the manufactures smelting and casting process and the re- melting process. It cannot be use for anything, so just skim it off and make sure it stays out of your joints. It takes two second to skim off the garbage.

    • @sef2273
      @sef2273 3 года назад +3

      I agree . But it looks like he poured it while the dross stayed on top .

    • @flat-earther
      @flat-earther Год назад

      I watched some videos of this and most people remove the slag but someone said that you don't need to because the slag is going to stay in the ladle when you pour.

  • @MiyamotoMusashi9
    @MiyamotoMusashi9 2 года назад

    Ah so I thought it was a deadlock from Jamaica earlier when I was at ace hardware

  • @HeinekenSkywalker636
    @HeinekenSkywalker636 2 года назад +2

    Do you always have to tap the lead after it’s poured and solidifies?

    • @cottenmouthsnake
      @cottenmouthsnake 2 года назад +5

      No actual knowledge about this. But it’s probably to set the lead. Squishing it after it solidifies probably makes a better seal. It’s like setting rivets I would guess

    • @HeinekenSkywalker636
      @HeinekenSkywalker636 2 года назад +5

      I would think because cast molds set perfectly into the mold that tapping it would just loosen it up actually and create a worse seal over time. Thanks for the input though.. I just don’t believe that would make any difference.

    • @alankoszyk3656
      @alankoszyk3656 2 года назад

      The oakum is there to stop the leak. It absorbs water and it expands once wet. The lead is there to keep the oakum sealed

    • @isaacandrade3783
      @isaacandrade3783 Год назад +1

      You are 100% correct. Breaking the bond and causing the tooth and groove complex to not set

    • @jordanwilson9709
      @jordanwilson9709 Год назад

      @@HeinekenSkywalker636 I'm not experienced in this exact method but I do know the consistency of molten lead. I think tapping the lead would help it seal to the oakum and in between the two pipes due to the shape of the couple.

  • @explorer4161
    @explorer4161 3 года назад +1

    What purpose does the oakum serve?

    • @andrewwelch5668
      @andrewwelch5668 3 года назад +5

      Oakum packs the joint to help create a water tight seal. When the oakum gets wet, it expands. The lead just locks it into place and keeps the joint from moving. Moving the joint causes leaks.

    • @larryragsdale7003
      @larryragsdale7003 Год назад +1

      To keep the lead from running down the pipe

  • @georgewkush542
    @georgewkush542 2 года назад +1

    Noob question here but are lead oakum joints still code compliant in USA?for residential?

    • @Raysystemic
      @Raysystemic 2 года назад +1

      I would say no because of the lead-free compliance law.

    • @ABVollen
      @ABVollen 2 года назад

      @@Raysystemic in some places they are required

    • @Raysystemic
      @Raysystemic 2 года назад

      @@ABVollen really? They did not even mention this method whenever I got my license nor in continuing ed. What would they be required for?

    • @brianosullivan3303
      @brianosullivan3303 2 года назад +1

      Some city codes. Chicago for example.

    • @JRIDable
      @JRIDable 2 года назад +1

      Philadelphia still uses lead and oakum underground but we are slowly evolving into the rubber push gaskets or enfusion types of plastics like enfield.

  • @Wickedstickyflowers
    @Wickedstickyflowers 3 года назад +2

    Ya what if the pipe is horizontal

    • @joeygergely9814
      @joeygergely9814 3 года назад

      we use a “running rope”

    • @Wickedstickyflowers
      @Wickedstickyflowers 3 года назад

      What’s running rope .... never herd that

    • @andrewwelch5668
      @andrewwelch5668 3 года назад +4

      Running rope (or a joint runner, as I call it) is a rope with a spring loaded clamp that's wrapped around the pipe next to the hub of the joint. The rope is made with fire proof materials (the old ones were made with asbestos) to keep the rope from catching fire. The clamp holds the rope in place and keeps the lead from spilling out of the joint while you're pouring the lead into the gap you made with the rope. You can even use it for upside-down joints.

    • @JG-fx2ez
      @JG-fx2ez 3 года назад

      @@andrewwelch5668 do you have to dip the runner in oil ?

  • @jaykemm3472
    @jaykemm3472 4 года назад +4

    Neat. Would like to see a horizontal run joined.

    • @TheWhiteGuy82
      @TheWhiteGuy82 4 года назад

      I imagine its not possible. They would simply do any horizontal joints away from where it's going to be set so they could pour it vertically.

    • @jaykemm3472
      @jaykemm3472 4 года назад +6

      @@TheWhiteGuy82 ...Saw a video on it not long ago. They do a fiber cord wrap with an opening at the top. Pour and remove the wrap when the lead sets. Pretty neat.

    • @clockbuilderhg
      @clockbuilderhg 4 года назад +4

      @@TheWhiteGuy82 Horizontal joints were done all the time. Look up a tool called a "lead joint runner". It was an asbestos rope that was wrapped around a horizontal pipe and clamped at the top. It would be pushed up tight against the joint. It created a dam around the joint with a hole at the top so the lead could be poured in.

    • @scottouellette9411
      @scottouellette9411 4 года назад +4

      On a horizontal joint you would use a spring tension rope. Anybody know what tool that is. 40yr. licensed unionized plumber retired. Good luck everyone.

    • @ChooChooRooter
      @ChooChooRooter 4 года назад

      Josiah Hanna actually it was horse hair

  • @mrvelleful
    @mrvelleful 5 лет назад +4

    What is the tapping for_

    • @JR-gt3vr
      @JR-gt3vr 4 года назад +1

      Caulking it

    • @lenincruz8724
      @lenincruz8724 4 года назад

      It keeps the lead locked in witch makes the oaken stay in place

  • @bludika
    @bludika 5 лет назад +6

    any reason to be using cast iron today?

    • @lenincruz8724
      @lenincruz8724 5 лет назад +10

      It’s stronger, it’ll last longer , and it’s more quieter than plastic

    • @stevelovesgod
      @stevelovesgod 4 года назад +3

      required by code in certain applications.,

    • @qv6486
      @qv6486 4 года назад +6

      legally required for city of chicago

    • @jybrghtwll
      @jybrghtwll 4 года назад +1

      Bludika it’s not flammable fire can’t use it to spread through out a building

    • @workingshlub8861
      @workingshlub8861 4 года назад +3

      in my state you must use in commercial buildings...no pvc or abs..

  • @Axel-le4wo
    @Axel-le4wo 5 лет назад +1

    dude I love oakum,

  • @raymondpedrick9906
    @raymondpedrick9906 6 месяцев назад

    clean the slag off!!!!

  • @Metalkarkas
    @Metalkarkas 3 года назад +2

    Земскову только не показывайте!