WTF is 8D Audio?!? What is going on?
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- Опубликовано: 19 апр 2020
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Have you noticed this new 8D audio thing?
What is going on here?
Let's try and break it down..
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WTF is 8D Audio?!? What is going on?
We have created a revolutionary new technology : The pan knob!
4D cinema, 5D cinema, 8D Audio.. There are 3 spatial dimensions. Period. Everything else is marketing bullshit.
the unique 5th dimension I know is listen tipper on acid
8D feels like that irritating stage of a flight or a car journey where your ears are *nearly* popping but not quite, and you wish they'd just cross the line and get it over with so you can take a swig of a drink and reset.
This sounds like ‘Holophonic Sound’, a technique where a orb shaped 360 degrees microphone or set of mics picks up the sound in the 3D space and then turns it into an algorithm and the brain interprets the spacial placement and recreates it. It’s been around for almost 30 years, there were classic examples available in the 90s on the internet of a box of matches being shaken around your head, a bottle being opened etc. I think this is just an example of where the technology is where that effect can now be digitally recreated using purely algorithms and it recreates the movement of audio in space through advanced volume, panning and phase calibrations. But it’s eerily convincing, I don’t play computer games but I can imagine that’s a place it could really take off.
This isn't new to gaming.. i can remember buying dedicated soundcards back in the 90ties who calculated dynamic reverb, echoes, sound occlusion and stuff like that and output it for headphones in a way that simulated positional sound. 3D audio rendering in games was a thing for a while.
I don't know if that's still done today of it game companies just gave up and pre-processed all sound. If it's done, they probably just render it on the GPU..
I just picked up a plugin called Expanse 3D. They just do some saucy time-based chorusy fx which emulated front/back, up/down as well.
Interesting stuff! Thanks for share.
Remember the Dj's in the past with the pioneer 100, got to know about the flanger effect on them and excessive overuse it enthusiasticly, like a little child first time playing with soap bubbles? This has some similarity to me.
Hey, that's a lekker chill out track man. CNC machines can move in 6D by adding Pitch, Yaw and Tilt to up/down, left/right, front/back. And some scientists talk about more than 6 dimensions by having a cube within a cube (sort of a tesseract), and light casting a shadow of the smaller cube within the larger cube. If you had to apply this to audio your Cube could be: Stereo Width(Left/Right), Bass to Treble(Up/Down), Reverb and high cut(front/back), then you could have the equivalent of Yaw, Pitch and Tilt by somehow turning the first three axes. Maybe they assume that the first 6 dimensions can be achieved simply by movement on, or tilting of the first three axes. Then you would need your mix somehow put into a larger space than what it originally occupied. Maybe they are recording the stereo speakers of a finished mix, thereby putting the first mix into a larger space, and applying more effects. I am just guessing now. It is intriguing, but a bit of a gimmick. Because like you said, what practical function could it have in a club?
Thanks man, adding pitch and yaw makes a 2D plane into a 3D one tho, and theoretical physicists talk about dimensions beyond the third and potential of time being the fourth, they’re not scientists as in finding the truths, they’re hypothesizing theories 😃
I want to see the snake oil guy tear this apart.
😂
I was thinking of ol' White Sea. I just want to see his reaction.
Is that "White Semen Studios" you mean?.. why would we want to hear someone scream at the screen like a hyperactive underdeveloped man-child, and spend the rest of the time installing a plugin?..
I listened to it on my headphones. Looks like the music is playing back on a pair of speakers and the sound is being recorded with a Neumann dummy head microphone or one of those 3Dio mics while the mic is being rotated.
P.S. there are some plugins from Sennheiser that I know of that can do this.
Reverb and panning.. what a breakthrough!!
They just put absynth on the master with surround mode on. You know the one that goes in circles..
Tbh it kinda feels like a live concert with 8d or is that just me
Thank goodness for the low end playing clean mono in your track. That actually settled my stomach.
Funny start screen for the video :) Well, sound can be 4D, okay - 3 dimensions and, of course, time. But 8? Hmm
Still you can’t even do 3D sound with less than 4 speakers / channels
Dash, check out the dearVR plugins for this binaural stuff. It's basically a panner, hass delay, dynamic reverb, and dynamic eq.
Like the way you thinking
It sounds like they are using the same techniqe like 7.1 Headsets from Logitech do .... the space between front and rear has been boosted by the volume and a reverbis added as well for giving it more depth
Very interesting because of the 8 dimensional lattice / i.e. theory of everything
some say if you add 5 soundgoodizers to this "8D Audio" songs Thanos will appear.
PS, I hate this 8D Audio bullshit.
experienced good audio engineer: let's make this song sound good on everything.
8D Audio RUclipsr: it's my time to shine.
Isn't it like SDDS, Dolby Pro Logic or DTS? Even Pink Floyd made use of this technique in The Final Cut?
it's imitation of moving around the room in club
I like your mix better
I think this is so cool!
You can't play an 8 channels track on a stereo system. I suppose. The club has to have a 8 channel PR system to reproduce all aspects.
8D audio is easy to achieve, just apply 8 instances of Wider on your master channel.
Should that left spectrum analyzer look like it is spinning? Or is that song phase rotating all the time?
Also 8d audio has been around for a while. And you should of used astrixs deep jungle track as theres a version thats in 8 d
The 5 dimensions are in your head haha
Words that sell!! :D
I have been experimenting with 3-D sound and psy! havn't found a workable plugin that had clear 3D audio simulation but there are a few out there that replicate how our hearing works. AMBEO Orbit by Sennheiser is a free one to play around with
1. Why all the hate in comments towards something unique? 2. Didn’t this “remix” serve as an example/demo of the capabilities, not necessarily what a final released product would sound like? 3. Not sure what all of your expensive headphones and earbuds sound like, but using the oem iPhone earbuds I can hear/sense the sound moving left right, backward forward, and up down. As if there was a source circling a perpendicular plane around my head at the same circling horizontally. The recreation attempt in the video didn’t even come close to the spatial experience of the “remix”. 4. If you’re all so smart and expert level producers, the please recreate and post your results before you dismiss it. I’m not saying it’s 8D, but it certainly has characteristics that I’ve never heard or seen anywhere else. I couldn’t do it...I’d love to know how though! Imagine a pad, or solo instrument, or chord progression rotating in that space through a song. In years to come, with or without VR, venues will be able to reproduce this type of technology and you will be able to hear what the artists/engineers intended in an incredibly immersive environment. I hope I’m still alive when that time is upon us to experience it!
DearVr vst does that
Pro Q -> Stereo -> Cut low side :D?
lol finally someone said it. Thanks Dash.
Dropping this here since it fits! Found this plugin yesterday, haven’t checked it out myself but goddamn do the demos in YT sound good.
Legit binaural sound from the beloved headphone company Sennheiser! The plugin is called AMBEO. ruclips.net/video/C_onYCgzzL4/видео.html
Enjoy your stay!
The whole track is basically just passed through this... adds the reverb and some phase manipulation. ruclips.net/video/ZU-wglqm0JE/видео.html
There is an 8D Version of an Astrix track as well.
I know, I like that track too much to listen to it in 8D
Haha yeah I got you
How to made 8d audio in FL studio
Next up: 11D audio from The Strings.
You need 8D tools to see the other 5D
i saw that Reaper has this library that works very well in creating/mixing 3d sounds (360º audio),
called ambisonic toolkit
( www.ambisonictoolkit.net/ )
and it seems to me that it is too very adaptable to make mixes 5.1, 7.1, among others
Yup Cubase has ambisonic stuff too, but it’s very specific to what you’re listening on 👌 it won’t work on regular stereo
It uses a thing called binaural panning. Mimics the filtering of our head and ears with HRTF filters (Head related transfer function). The 8D name is stupid. Also this is made to be used on headphones and not on speakers
I think they just put Waves 360 plugins on the tracks
No that would require a 5.1 system
Well glad I cought the video bevore Billy Elish's army of bots are gonna snatch it from the net or put 100 midrolls on it (; Just a somewhat related observation Well I had the opportunity to hear Suzanne Ciani once and u know it was good ole quadrophonics, that's her thing, age old old tech. But it added sooooo much depths and expressiveness, humans perceiving true 3d audio very very differently than 2 speaker stereo... there is something to it you wouldn't expect until you hear it.
Yes I agree, but you would need 4 speakers to experience quadraphonic, I get there are systems with head tracking etc to emulate this kind of thing - but it's still within the 3 dimensional realm :)
This is educational - you should be fine for copyright. It's fair use :)
What the hell 8D its just clever panning. ive even created sounds that sound higher no pitch but sound higher in height as if I got a speaker higher up, 8D my arse
wish I knew how I achieved it hahahaha
yeah this one soundcloud.com/yhoda-145/distorted-reality-wav its one of my older tracks and its mainly the intro stabs. Maybe you can figure out what I did that makes my ears perceive it as if its sitting on top on the rest of the sounds, ps im wearing single driver ear buds just to clear up I dont have two speakers above my head
Nothing that special. Just some HRTF (head related transfer function) implementation. Basically just some processing to add directional ques to the audio signal. ITD (interaural time difference) and ILD (interaural level difference) plus some filtering caused by auricles. Additionally, there is the room simulation reverb thing. Probably made with the free sennheiser plugin (I don't remember the name, AMBEO Orbit or something). Nothing that revolutionary.
If you wanted to make something like that yourself, you should use some HRTF based filtering to make it sound a little different in the front and back sides.
HRTF is often measured by placing a dummy head or a human subject on an anechoic chamber. Small microphones are placed in both ears. Then a frequency response measurement is performed for certain amount of different directions.
The whole concept made me wonder if HRTF was involved as well.
Csound (free) lets you process music with HRTF algorithms as well
yes, sounds like HRTF processing. It‘s funny they claim to do 8D audio but do not even try to position the sound source in the 3rd dimension. So they probably use a plugin that is not capable of doing this.
oh no... not 8d.
Good points! Here’s hoping that for once RUclips copyright strikes do what they’re supposed to: get rid of these idiots that are raping my ears by mutilating excellent songs with their idiocy. And kudos for you trying to get it right even though I personally do not think it adds much.
Eric Weinstein would argue there is 14 dimensional audio😋
Love from Sweden
Tried listening to it and my ears as well as my brain could not bare the sound of it
wtf is 3D anyway
There’s no such thing as 8D, period
I hate how it sounds.
Yeah... total rubbish. Thought the same thing when someone sent this to me. Sounded to me like it had been processed with something like Dear VR. Binaural processing... nothing revolutionary.
🤦♂️🤣
8D audio for music is useless.. no point of panning the whole track (especially the bass part).. For games or VR apps it could be usefull.. On the other hand, for music the Ambisonics (*360 degrees audio) is nice and has a better effect on the spatial manipulation..
I guess you don't exactly understand the mathematical notion of dimension and understand under the word "dimension" a "spatial dimension" or "sense dimension" and try to apply to that track, which is wrong. The super fat 8D call is of course totally ridiculous and made you think about it, but it means nothing else than adding few automation parameters, as you've shown. This of course does not sound so fat and advanced like 8D sound :-D
Then help me to understand it mathematically, not sure where the senses come into it - 3 dimensions + 5 senses? LOL :-D
No man not at all. You can call dimension whatever you want, which is totally exploited in entertainment ads. Strictly said a "new dimension" is a "dimension" not depending on the current "dimensions". So If I like bang a cowbell on random spots in a track, that alone can be viewed as adding a "new random dimension" or panning left to right would be also "new perceptual dimension". Music producers and especially psy ones seem to be oversensitive to stuff containing "dimension", "level", "warmth", "colors", which are just smart definitions for simple terms by their vendors.
Dear Vr vst mutch beter
I think you’re taking the “8D” part too seriously. It’s probably just a ploy that these YT channels are using to get views. I started seeing “100D Audio” videos which is just absurd.
8D is total bull and lots of suckers fall for it.
8D total bullshit. lol. It's basically reverb saturated auto pan. The only way to make it true surround is to have more than two channels of audio. Like 5.1 or 7.1 surround.
Pentatonix are a very good acapella group. I don't know who does there mixing. But honestly this sounds rubbish. It sounds like I'm walking through a rubbish venue. It makes me nauseous listening to this.