Please don't just try to catch-up with US semiconductor technology, please leapfrog US into using new IC technology such as using new material or techniques, just like Huawei leapfrog into 5G.
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Amazing discussion well analysis of the current situation we hope China Will create a domestic ecosystem of semiconductor and ic to free the entire world to any future black mail. WE LOVE CHINA from Africa
The blockade, embargo and sanction are the weapons for forever enslavement. China is breaking it. Let's jump to the freedom as soon as the west can't sanction anybody anymore.
Yea because blackmail, sanctions and embargo’s from the ccp will be any better than Americans. If a country is willing to kill millions of its own citizens for the good of the collective, what do you think they’d do to people that aren’t their legal citizens?
Great presentations although difficult for many to grasp. China must continue to forge forward with more research and development as had been done in Huawei. Very important to have clear strategies and investments in human resources. No doubt China has the potential to become the leader in technological risks
@Sum Ting Wong - I lived long enough to remember the Japanese did similar with copying to catch up to the US. TSMC makes semiconductor chips btw and I followed their impressive rise, smart and hardworking chinese people they jumped start their industry by getting chinese working in the US semiconductory industry to comeback to Taiwan to help run their R&D, and fabs. I guess China is doing something similar too. Anyways semiconductor manufacturing is expensive business and the technology changes very fast lets see how China competes. During the early days HK did try with some small R&D fabs I guess HK gave up.
@Sum Ting Wong - haha lets not go down this road and pick at straws to prove a point. We both agree than Japan and China copy. I was from the semiconductor industry during my working days, yes I totally agree and add you cant copy in semiconductor industry because its technology changes every 6 months so good luck trying to copy every 6 months. U really need the foundation to establish and push the technology, copy doesnt help here. Furthermore there is a complete ecosystem in Semiconductor that is really needed eg. the equipments, the materials used to produce the IC chips. All these(equipment and materials used) keep evolving and changing as the technology advances to make faster and higher density chips. Heavy investment is needed in semiconductor industry and the competition is fierce for 1st place u make money, 2nd and 3rd u juz happy to make some money anything below 3rd good luck to u. This is true in the whole ecosystem not only the final product the IC.
Correct me if i am wrong but isn't Taiwan part of China. If it is, then why does China lag behind in semiconductor chip industry. Will occupying Taiwan and making it a province of China solve this?
@@svenvdw4894 Taiwan is 'independent', but at the time is part of China. its real name is : "Republic of China", and before they say the continent China is the fake China, and they (Taiwan) is the real China. Now they accept they cannot conquer back China, then they becomes 'Taiwan'. Anyway hopefully in the future they can get a reunification.
China's main weakness in developing homegrown talent is that a lot of truly innovative students wouldn't pass the Gaokao system. A good chunk of brilliant MIT graduates are pretty terrible (by Gaokao standards) students. Literally don't think rules apply to them, which is why they're able to push boundaries.
I cant wait!! !....China's 5g tech advancements is proven superior, i can't wait to c wat they do with their chips....ill buy Huawei mate x immediately 😎....
The United States realized the central importance of technology to national security during World War II. The result was a massive government investment in promoting technology in the post war period. The microprocessor is one fruit of that effort. The American attack on Huawei underlines the importance of advanced semi conductors to China's national security. The ability to design advanced semi conductors seems to have become widespread. Huwawei already has two advanced processor chips in production and second generations of those chips on their way. The bottleneck is in the industrial technology needed to manufacture the chips. TSMC and Samsung are already global leaders in that industrial technology. It is hard to see any doubt that the national security significance of the ability to manufacture advanced semiconductors justifies whatever the cost is to develop at least one Chinese company competitive with global leaders in the capability to manufacture them.
In order for china to surge forward, corporate culture need to be improve especially bottom up integration. China can penetrate into the Asian Market of 4.6 Billion, but have to be aware of Over Capacity and Competitiveness: Quality over Quantity matters .. This means Size of Specific Specialties in the Semiconductor Industry have to be kept Small (less than 2,000), yet be able to Compete Domestically.
Let discuss what is the gap in SOC,CPU,NPU,DSP,FPGA,GPU,memory products,modems and manufacturing process like photo lithography, chemical etching, packaging and testing
yes specifically that is what I wanted to hear.... but as noted - China's gap isn't really in designing chips anymore - its in the manufacturing process. The most advanced manufacturing actually isn't in the US -- it's TSMC and Samsung.
Lol, I think the host is lost. The guests are great, lots of depth and informative but the discussion is sorta flat. They guests do their own series without the host. cctv or cgtn need to learn from other news networks. They need a whole channel devoted to technology with anchors who have some knowledge and interests of the fields.
YangRui is an excellent host, however in the area of Semiconductor, he may be abit 'lost'. One of the reasons: Both Guests have indepth Theoritical knowledge. Questions post were relevant and about real world application, which the 2 Guests did not provide Solutions in Coherence because they look at Wholistic point of view (not Targeted Answer). What is lacking is perhaps a PowerPoint presentation on how one aspect is related to another. Guests must be given the Questions in Advance so that they can prepare Information Audience can digest and that YangRui can base on the Fundamentals to ask deeper Questions base on the Frameworks or Concepts presented.
@@esp4yu With powerpoint presentation and different format, it's still kinda complicated to explain the issues with semiconductor industry. The other networks have tried many times to explain it too, and they usually just give the quick narratives or have a whole series devoted to the topic.
Strange as it may sound, it's actually not in China's (and any country) best interests to be fully independent. It's not feasible period. 1. Doing that will run into the trouble of being isolated from talent, ideas, other tech, which one can progress by mainly by being in touch with consumers and competitors. The domestic market maybe large in China, but a global presence will offer more. Worst that could happen in trying to be fully tech independent, is that this would ironically delay progress...and may even get push out of the industry completely. Just reference history of Japan's semiconductor industry and India's development for example. 2. Another danger is that China might overexert itself trying to build an independent ecosystem for this industry...essentially burning so many resources which are needed elsewhere. It's important to not be like what happen to the Soviet Union when they overexerted themselves in some specific industries. IMHO, best thing is to be measure with responding to US actions, continue working on innovating products/services, put more effort into originality, but stay in touch with the world. The US instigated tech war is self-destructive and simply will not last.
@@JohnNy-ni9np Just wait and see. There's a youtuber named Fred Wong, he's from HK and is a former electrical engineer now investor in this industry. He has very well-thought out analysis and plausible predictions for what's going on. However, it's all in cantonese and very techy. ruclips.net/user/fredfredww
Matter of times we don’t depend on western technology. China together with India shld join together lead the world in advanced technology. India u belong to Asia and Asian also need u to be strong powerful country to also lead against arrogant westerners. We have enough of westerners bullies, cheaters and stealers. Stand up 🇨🇳🇮🇳
And being such populous and large nation ... it become more crucial for India & China. U wont like to depend on others for such crucial & imp thing. Toh if its feasible toh these two countries really should put efforts for independence in this regard. Uske khaphi phayede hain other then jus cost cuts or whatever.
If China can not buy or use the Netherlands 7 nanometer lithography machine because it has US patents then they will have to find or make a machine that does. China does have the money and the talent just not the time. The CCP will end up making Washington happy in some way to lift the ban. Pride needs to be pulled in at times.
8:52 Woh film thi babu ji usko film hi rehne do.... That kinda hacking not possible ever. Unless of course u ppls here yourself try play dumb fools. :) But yeah every aspect of life here is touched by that or will be touched by that since it benifits the process. So yes! its quite a imp thing. ...nd.
I don't see how China is going to come up with any of this when the United States and most countries of the world are fighting to decouple away from China which have a deceitful reputation now and what they caused to the world with cv19 and some of these opinions of support seem to be coming from Iran which was hit hard from covid-19
And as far 5g... dont try change entertainment or whatever u talking will be changed.... but rather use it to make things or services more reliable. And yep cheap... cause its very crucial service for the development of any nation. Aapka 3g certified speed pe bhi chale na network.... and cheap enough ki kisi garib se garib ko bhi jayada dimaag na lagana pade ki how he/she gonna afford it nonstop 24/7 ... then I think its good enough for all the purposes it can solve. Subsidizing bandwidth to bring the cost to even nil is not that a stupid aim for any govt I guess in interest of nation if it really cares to be sincere in what it says it is here for. All it need to ensure big parties dont take unnecessary advantage of it. :) Yahan pata hai... kahin cd quality dvd quality this k that k... pata nahin kya kya bakwaas kartey video quality ko leke,... but the fact is... even most of those CD quality videos not bad because they lack the pixels... unka encoded content hi bad hai saalo ka. :) Same resolution pe ussey hajar guna badia output reh sakta but tumhara encoded data hi currupt aur cheap hai... phir upper se piracy ki baat karte chudaw. Tumhe woh khuda supply karne ki toh penality lagni chahiye chudaw... agar sensibly dekha jaye toh. :) Aur yehi haal inka telecom sector mein hai. Usko business na banao... woh crucial backbone ho sakta tumhare nations ke development mein. Joh tumme bimariyan hain na janam jaat... unh bimaariyo ko woh cover up kar sakta. Make up for it I mean. So that every part of your society or nation can develop on par with respect to each other.
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Please don't just try to catch-up with US semiconductor technology, please leapfrog US into using new IC technology such as using new material or techniques, just like Huawei leapfrog into 5G.
kaybee65 , never underestimate 1.4 billion Chineses. There will be amazing phenomena coming.
yep
That is the ultimate goal of China and its citizens. This is China's natural inherent capability.
you mean 6g now
Not to hard when you steal the tech......
I will support my country come on we can overcome anything because we are Chinese
Not sure if you guys cares but if you guys are stoned like me atm you can watch pretty much all the new movies and series on InstaFlixxer. Been streaming with my girlfriend for the last couple of weeks xD
@Jason Nixon Definitely, been using InstaFlixxer for since december myself =)
@Jason Nixon yea, been watching on instaflixxer for years myself :D
Amazing discussion well analysis of the current situation we hope China Will create a domestic ecosystem of semiconductor and ic to free the entire world to any future black mail. WE LOVE CHINA from Africa
The blockade, embargo and sanction are the weapons for forever enslavement.
China is breaking it. Let's jump to the freedom as soon as the west can't sanction anybody anymore.
Yea because blackmail, sanctions and embargo’s from the ccp will be any better than Americans. If a country is willing to kill millions of its own citizens for the good of the collective, what do you think they’d do to people that aren’t their legal citizens?
Great presentations although difficult for many to grasp. China must continue to forge forward with more research and development as had been done in Huawei. Very important to have clear strategies and investments in human resources. No doubt China has the potential to become the leader in technological risks
lol where are they 1.5 years later? seen u.s. stocks? zero chance for despotic regimes imprisoning innovators of even staying close behind!
If TSMC can be the leading foundry in the world I dont see why China cannot achieve the same thing.
@Sum Ting Wong - I lived long enough to remember the Japanese did similar with copying to catch up to the US. TSMC makes semiconductor chips btw and I followed their impressive rise, smart and hardworking chinese people they jumped start their industry by getting chinese working in the US semiconductory industry to comeback to Taiwan to help run their R&D, and fabs. I guess China is doing something similar too. Anyways semiconductor manufacturing is expensive business and the technology changes very fast lets see how China competes. During the early days HK did try with some small R&D fabs I guess HK gave up.
@Sum Ting Wong - haha lets not go down this road and pick at straws to prove a point. We both agree than Japan and China copy. I was from the semiconductor industry during my working days, yes I totally agree and add you cant copy in semiconductor industry because its technology changes every 6 months so good luck trying to copy every 6 months. U really need the foundation to establish and push the technology, copy doesnt help here. Furthermore there is a complete ecosystem in Semiconductor that is really needed eg. the equipments, the materials used to produce the IC chips. All these(equipment and materials used) keep evolving and changing as the technology advances to make faster and higher density chips. Heavy investment is needed in semiconductor industry and the competition is fierce for 1st place u make money, 2nd and 3rd u juz happy to make some money anything below 3rd good luck to u. This is true in the whole ecosystem not only the final product the IC.
It's about the chip design software and chip making process machine that China lacks.
China re-emerges in all its beauty and brilliance. Teddy Roosevelt would say "Bully!"
Great job, I understood their English perfectly
Checkmate for US
Love china from pak
Correct me if i am wrong but isn't Taiwan part of China. If it is, then why does China lag behind in semiconductor chip industry. Will occupying Taiwan and making it a province of China solve this?
Hush! You are ruining the CCP-narative. Don't let chinese people think deeper. The propaganda must prevale!
@@svenvdw4894 Taiwan is 'independent', but at the time is part of China.
its real name is : "Republic of China", and before they say the continent China is the fake China, and they (Taiwan) is the real China.
Now they accept they cannot conquer back China, then they becomes 'Taiwan'.
Anyway hopefully in the future they can get a reunification.
China's main weakness in developing homegrown talent is that a lot of truly innovative students wouldn't pass the Gaokao system. A good chunk of brilliant MIT graduates are pretty terrible (by Gaokao standards) students. Literally don't think rules apply to them, which is why they're able to push boundaries.
I'll be the first in line and throw out my Intel and AMD PCs ! ...LoL
I cant wait!! !....China's 5g tech advancements is proven superior, i can't wait to c wat they do with their chips....ill buy Huawei mate x immediately 😎....
Big US victory in trades with Japan not China .Unfortunately.
Erudite and compelling discussion.. like more of these ones..,👍
The harder you push, the more I fight back!
Plain reaction..
The United States realized the central importance of technology to national security during World War II. The result was a massive government investment in promoting technology in the post war period. The microprocessor is one fruit of that effort. The American attack on Huawei underlines the importance of advanced semi conductors to China's national security. The ability to design advanced semi conductors seems to have become widespread. Huwawei already has two advanced processor chips in production and second generations of those chips on their way. The bottleneck is in the industrial technology needed to manufacture the chips. TSMC and Samsung are already global leaders in that industrial technology. It is hard to see any doubt that the national security significance of the ability to manufacture advanced semiconductors justifies whatever the cost is to develop at least one Chinese company competitive with global leaders in the capability to manufacture them.
China u can do it.
Love China and it’s people
In order for china to surge forward, corporate culture need to be improve especially bottom up integration. China can penetrate into the Asian Market of 4.6 Billion, but have to be aware of Over Capacity and Competitiveness: Quality over Quantity matters .. This means Size of Specific Specialties in the Semiconductor Industry have to be kept Small (less than 2,000), yet be able to Compete Domestically.
I thought the title said, China’s development of Covid virus.. lol.
US economy emergency power act 1976.Allow freeze 3 to 4 trillions $ on privet banks accounts in US.
@Robie Abundance their so whitewash
to stop selling chip to 1.4 billion customers is not a very smart move
Let discuss what is the gap in SOC,CPU,NPU,DSP,FPGA,GPU,memory products,modems and manufacturing process like photo lithography, chemical etching, packaging and testing
yes specifically that is what I wanted to hear.... but as noted - China's gap isn't really in designing chips anymore - its in the manufacturing process. The most advanced manufacturing actually isn't in the US -- it's TSMC and Samsung.
One foot inside...Already there... Watch this space .
Was it the error of the Chinese government to not expect this reaction by the US, and to embark on a pre-emptive push for these chips?
中国加油, 继续努力 ! 再接再厉 !
我們必須時刻提醒自己 "落后就要挨打, 核心技术受制于人, 没有话语权, 只能任人宰割"
Nobody will ever support a bully and the whole world is being colonised by these bullies
Lol, I think the host is lost.
The guests are great, lots of depth and informative but the discussion is sorta flat. They guests do their own series without the host.
cctv or cgtn need to learn from other news networks.
They need a whole channel devoted to technology with anchors who have some knowledge and interests of the fields.
YangRui is an excellent host, however in the area of Semiconductor, he may be abit 'lost'. One of the reasons: Both Guests have indepth Theoritical knowledge. Questions post were relevant and about real world application, which the 2 Guests did not provide Solutions in Coherence because they look at Wholistic point of view (not Targeted Answer). What is lacking is perhaps a PowerPoint presentation on how one aspect is related to another. Guests must be given the Questions in Advance so that they can prepare Information Audience can digest and that YangRui can base on the Fundamentals to ask deeper Questions base on the Frameworks or Concepts presented.
@@esp4yu With powerpoint presentation and different format, it's still kinda complicated to explain the issues with semiconductor industry.
The other networks have tried many times to explain it too, and they usually just give the quick narratives or have a whole series devoted to the topic.
Strange as it may sound, it's actually not in China's (and any country) best interests to be fully independent. It's not feasible period.
1. Doing that will run into the trouble of being isolated from talent, ideas, other tech, which one can progress by mainly by being in touch with consumers and competitors. The domestic market maybe large in China, but a global presence will offer more. Worst that could happen in trying to be fully tech independent, is that this would ironically delay progress...and may even get push out of the industry completely. Just reference history of Japan's semiconductor industry and India's development for example.
2. Another danger is that China might overexert itself trying to build an independent ecosystem for this industry...essentially burning so many resources which are needed elsewhere. It's important to not be like what happen to the Soviet Union when they overexerted themselves in some specific industries.
IMHO, best thing is to be measure with responding to US actions, continue working on innovating products/services, put more effort into originality, but stay in touch with the world. The US instigated tech war is self-destructive and simply will not last.
I agree with you totally. Standing on the shoulders of giants!
Can you comment on the future of SMIC ?
@@JohnNy-ni9np
Just wait and see.
There's a youtuber named Fred Wong, he's from HK and is a former electrical engineer now investor in this industry. He has very well-thought out analysis and plausible predictions for what's going on. However, it's all in cantonese and very techy.
ruclips.net/user/fredfredww
Silicon + UV lights to give structures of microscopic Integrated transistors .
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If they made high end world class chip then I guss the whole world will have a much cheaper affordable PCs
Matter of times we don’t depend on western technology. China together with India shld join together lead the world in advanced technology. India u belong to Asia and Asian also need u to be strong powerful country to also lead against arrogant westerners. We have enough of westerners bullies, cheaters and stealers. Stand up 🇨🇳🇮🇳
is this a re-run? it's a recent upload but i'm pretty sure i've seen this clip before
Does it matter?
@@nocturnally879 was just curious I guess lol
These two guests response obliquely. Don't they understand the question?
Can China implement chip production by developing automatic precision machining equipment (using AFM atomic force microscopy technology)?
And being such populous and large nation ... it become more crucial for India & China. U wont like to depend on others for such crucial & imp thing. Toh if its feasible toh these two countries really should put efforts for independence in this regard. Uske khaphi phayede hain other then jus cost cuts or whatever.
Finally
You got it
Pakistan China Relation Forever
Thanks to the VH1 (nerdy) Visa that has made America great today and the majority of them are from Asia. So, stop being egotistic about it.
If China can not buy or use the Netherlands 7 nanometer lithography machine because it has US patents then they will have to find or make a machine that does. China does have the money and the talent just not the time. The CCP will end up making Washington happy in some way to lift the ban. Pride needs to be pulled in at times.
I miss Yang Rui. What happened to him?
8:52 Woh film thi babu ji usko film hi rehne do.... That kinda hacking not possible ever. Unless of course u ppls here yourself try play dumb fools. :)
But yeah every aspect of life here is touched by that or will be touched by that since it benifits the process. So yes! its quite a imp thing. ...nd.
Hi there, China please try your best to make your own chips much more powerful than M1 and thus free us from the money hoarding Apple lol
Good. We believe China soon get high end chip
💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
Boycott Chinese products
I don't see how China is going to come up with any of this when the United States and most countries of the world are fighting to decouple away from China which have a deceitful reputation now and what they caused to the world with cv19 and some of these opinions of support seem to be coming from Iran which was hit hard from covid-19
Great prospect for potato chips industry, we are catching up us companies, we can make better french fries.
Failed
❤️❤️❤️Fc
And as far 5g... dont try change entertainment or whatever u talking will be changed.... but rather use it to make things or services more reliable. And yep cheap... cause its very crucial service for the development of any nation.
Aapka 3g certified speed pe bhi chale na network.... and cheap enough ki kisi garib se garib ko bhi jayada dimaag na lagana pade ki how he/she gonna afford it nonstop 24/7 ... then I think its good enough for all the purposes it can solve. Subsidizing bandwidth to bring the cost to even nil is not that a stupid aim for any govt I guess in interest of nation if it really cares to be sincere in what it says it is here for. All it need to ensure big parties dont take unnecessary advantage of it. :)
Yahan pata hai... kahin cd quality dvd quality this k that k... pata nahin kya kya bakwaas kartey video quality ko leke,... but the fact is... even most of those CD quality videos not bad because they lack the pixels... unka encoded content hi bad hai saalo ka. :)
Same resolution pe ussey hajar guna badia output reh sakta but tumhara encoded data hi currupt aur cheap hai... phir upper se piracy ki baat karte chudaw. Tumhe woh khuda supply karne ki toh penality lagni chahiye chudaw... agar sensibly dekha jaye toh. :)
Aur yehi haal inka telecom sector mein hai. Usko business na banao... woh crucial backbone ho sakta tumhare nations ke development mein. Joh tumme bimariyan hain na janam jaat... unh bimaariyo ko woh cover up kar sakta. Make up for it I mean. So that every part of your society or nation can develop on par with respect to each other.
ok globs bhasan khatam lets move on.......... what??? ... complete video dekhna meri jaroorat thodi hai... remember me not part of your world? :)
Copycat
Do not ability to develop new technologies.
crystal bring me home plz.
All Chinese look d same 😅
Dude!!!!!😂😂😂
🌟🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
🌟🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
Hard to understand their English -_-
Intellectual property thieves
Nice propaganda.
boycott china brands