Keith, I hope that someone other than me realizes your passion for preserving the past for future generations is the making of a museum for future generations. Machinists using machinery that you have preserved have built so many incredible things both small and large. I hope that someone will preserve this work long after you are gone. Thank you sir
Restores our faith in humanity seeing how the community comes together to assist with parts and pieces for old iron. Happy to see you preserve and use old machines with help from the community of machinists. Thanks for sharing.
Tooling up such a machine is the daunting part especially when it uses non standard stuff. Those tools are the secret to it's versatility. Looks like you might be in good shape. It's amazing that so many of the small parts survive. I guess they get separated over time and when the machine goes for scrap the rest just gets buried in the corner for years. It will be fun to see that old girl run. Cheers
This is one of the cooler features of the community that has grown up around this channel. You would never find those parts in the old days, before youtube and social media. Where would you even begin to look in the days of classified ads, Thomas' Register and the card catalog to find the box of parts someone had in their garage?
Thank you Keith for the shout out! Glad you like the wrench... I have your spindle switch installed and it works perfectly! Thanks again for finding me one!
I served my apprenticeship in a model shop in the early 1970s. We had 2 of these machines. We had the cherrying attachment and the right angle drive and I think all of the attachments. Then we started using NC mills. At 1st NC wasn't capable of some of the movements the 2D was capable of so they didn't get rid of them right away. They were fun to operate.
This looks like just an incredibly versatile machine. All of the different heads and attachments could be content each on their own. Looking forward to some demos on this machine to see what kind of cool stuff this is capable of making.
As you go through the collets, be sure to check the run out and only keep the best. Over time, they will loose their accuracy. Amazing to see what is hiding in the back of old shops, garages and warehouses. Thanks for sharing.
I've set up and run a mill of this type and it's an impressive machine. Performs as advertised with way more rigidity compared to a Bridgeport. Accurate as well
Jim's videos on Engineer's Workshop are why I knew exactly what this machine was the first time you mentioned it. I knew there was no doubt you two would get in touch about them.
Good luck with that mill. I hope anyone less than 50 years old that have never had to learn how to use one of these, we had a Tree mill with a turn table head. What a royal pain in the ass, makes you really appreciate what cnc can do and cad cam even better. Yes, they could do a lot of different things on those, but get ready for gray hair and ulcers, especially when working on an expensive mold part that you have already stuck a couple of months of labor into. That thing will test your skills to a new level. I sure hope you like doing trigonometry, cause you are going to need it.
If you go to Sugarcreek, Ohio, you really need to eat at the Der Dutchman. They have really good food but their pies are why I like to go there when I’m close to one.
Keith, I'm pleased to see that you have acquired a K&T 2D Die Mill. I'm jealous to be sure, as I was very fortunate to be professionally trained to operate these machines while employed with the Boeing Military Airplane Company in Wichita back before the CNC machines took over the machining industry. During my entire career operating these magnificent machines, I have never ran into a single complex operation that this machine was not capable of performing with very impressive precision. This machine is capable of doing more than most are smart enough to comprehend. With due respect, It's clear that you are just getting acquainted with this machine, and at this point you are not aware of the learning curve ahead of you! All I can tell you is TRIGONOMETRY is an absolute must to successfully operate this machine. If you need mentorship, or if you have questions, please contact me. You Sir, are in possession of perhaps the finest piece of machinery ever designed and built in my opinion.
A machine that has thousands of mechanical parts designed to do complex shapes which soon became obsolete when CNC machines could do the same jobs with 3 servo motors. You can see the same changes now occurring in the automobile market, where the highly complex IC engines and hundreds of related modules are being replaced by EV's with a simple electric motor.
Keith, nice toys. I envy your opportunity to 'play' with a mega-equipped machine shop. I'm kinda like you with fishing tackle. I own a massive amount of every imaginable type and style fishing tackle, including a well appointed boat. Unfortunately, I can't fish or use almost all of it anymore. Hell to get old.
And without any computers to help. I personally think that while most people were not nearly as "educated" as we are now back in the day, they were a lot "smarter" than we are today. They had to be so they got a lot of practice at figuring things out and made it easier for them. Now days, we have a lot of highly educated people that don't know how to apply what they know.
I wanna see this machine with the dividing head mounted on a rotary table and milling with the cherrying head! Although if the timing isn't all synchronized properly, Keith may disappear into the 5th Dimension!
I was looking for a universal head and slotting head for my 2D. I’m in the UK, and you managed to unearth one from the UK! I have a cherrying head and full set of collets in the original K&T box. I’m using QC30 endmill holders, er32 holder, shell mill adaptors and chuck adaptors. I had to make my own nose piece, but that was fairly easy on the 2D.
Looks like your new mill is set up for standards to set XY axis. Didn't you pick up a set recently? I used to run a Pratt & Whitney jig bore for tight work. It had a DRO but for really precise work I would set up the standards. I look forward to you setting that rotary mill up. Best of luck!
Keith, is this machine the missing part to the stoker engine rebuild? What's the status of machining those slideways in it? Regards from Canada's banana belt.🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🇺🇦🕊️🇺🇲💩👍
Hi Keith. That machine, and its attachments, looks incredible. Do you think it has enough versatility to finish the steam locomotive stoker engine? Thanks for all of your time and effort!
Keith, I sent you a message. That 90 degree head may need a fork drive. Also, those triangular things you had on the lower right of the table are rotary table trip dogs for the K&T rotary table when you drive it with the drive brackets. I'd like to read that publication about the cherrying attachment as well. Has it been put on your site?
K&T must have lost money on these machines. The development costs for the machine and all the bespoke tooling must have been phenomenal. With it being a niche product made to exacting accuracy standards and sold in small numbers, it was probably kept in manufacture for the pride of the company rather than the bottom line.
I think that K&T actually purchased this machine design from another company so I don't think that they really did the development work. I think that they greatly improved upon the design and concept that they bought though.
Keith, Another awesome job. Thank you. I have a question that I hope you can answer. I purchased a vintage boice-crane 3450 8" jointer. It is in good working condition but needs a little care. I'm having trouble finding parts the most needed part is the cutter head guard. It is a unique design as it pivots on an arm that can rotate out of the way for rabbeting. I placed an ad on vintage machinery but haven't heard anything yet. Any help or sources would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Kenny Shipman
It is just one of those things that you are going to have to be on the search for and you are probably going to need a bit of luck. Sorry, I don't know of any source.
They are certainly cool machines. I don't need one but want one. I've been on the hunt for one of these for some years now. So far all the ones I've found are too far away or ridiculously priced.
So apparently your iron addiction is magnetic and attracts more iron. Great to see this machine reassemble itself auto-magically into its full,original form.
Good afternoon Mr rucker just bought a on old Chicago milling machine looking to get some parts for it any info will be appreciated thanks??? If you can
Kind of like Mail and Male, or Pair or Pear, Whole and Hole. They are sound the same but are spelled differently. Sphere and Spear. At that is the way we say it down here in my neck of the woods.....
Parts come from people who believe there's always a use for tools and parts.we just cant throw good things in a scrap bin. Id give machines away before scrap scroungers come begging.
@@The_DuMont_Network I've been watching Keith's channel for a long time. His speaking skills have improved a great deal over that time. A lot fewer umms and uhs
Keith, I hope that someone other than me realizes your passion for preserving the past for future generations is the making of a museum for future generations. Machinists using machinery that you have preserved have built so many incredible things both small and large. I hope that someone will preserve this work long after you are gone. Thank you sir
No, you're only one. You're it.
@@silasmarner7586Check out Josh Topper and Steve Watkins all manual channels. They also use restore, and preserve old machinery.
Thank you for the kind words!
Restores our faith in humanity seeing how the community comes together to assist with parts and pieces for old iron.
Happy to see you preserve and use old machines with help from the community of machinists.
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you!
Tooling up such a machine is the daunting part especially when it uses non standard stuff. Those tools are the secret to it's versatility. Looks like you might be in good shape. It's amazing that so many of the small parts survive. I guess they get separated over time and when the machine goes for scrap the rest just gets buried in the corner for years. It will be fun to see that old girl run. Cheers
It’s a bit easier when you have a RUclips channel and brazillion viewers to hook u up 😎
I am constantly amazed at what my viewers help me find!
Hi Keith. Thanks for the mention of Midwest Railway Preservation Society!
Thank you guys too!
This is one of the cooler features of the community that has grown up around this channel. You would never find those parts in the old days, before youtube and social media. Where would you even begin to look in the days of classified ads, Thomas' Register and the card catalog to find the box of parts someone had in their garage?
Thank you Keith for the shout out! Glad you like the wrench... I have your spindle switch installed and it works perfectly! Thanks again for finding me one!
Thanks again for all of your help as well!
I served my apprenticeship in a model shop in the early 1970s. We had 2 of these machines. We had the cherrying attachment and the right angle drive and I think all of the attachments. Then we started using NC mills. At 1st NC wasn't capable of some of the movements the 2D was capable of so they didn't get rid of them right away. They were fun to operate.
The "good ole days!"
Wow, I can’t wait to see that beast in action. What fantastic machine!
This looks like just an incredibly versatile machine. All of the different heads and attachments could be content each on their own. Looking forward to some demos on this machine to see what kind of cool stuff this is capable of making.
Thank you - I am looking forward to having a job I can use this machine on!
It’s amazing how parts for theses obsolete machine keep turning up!
Keep the great videos coming as I love watching them on the other side of the pond
Thank you!
Holy smoke!
I had no idea such a mill even existed!!!
Can’t wait to see that baby in action!!!
Them old timers had a few tricks up their sleeves!
As you go through the collets, be sure to check the run out and only keep the best. Over time, they will loose their accuracy. Amazing to see what is hiding in the back of old shops, garages and warehouses. Thanks for sharing.
I've set up and run a mill of this type and it's an impressive machine. Performs as advertised with way more rigidity compared to a Bridgeport. Accurate as well
Very nice machine Keith. Thanks for the update. If I had a shop and that was in it, I'd be calling it the alien. It's got the H.R. Giger look to it 😅
Jim's videos on Engineer's Workshop are why I knew exactly what this machine was the first time you mentioned it. I knew there was no doubt you two would get in touch about them.
Ooo I'm known over here 😅... thanks for watching!
Amazing you were able to locate all that stuff!
Good luck with that mill. I hope anyone less than 50 years old that have never had to learn how to use one of these, we had a Tree mill with a turn table head. What a royal pain in the ass, makes you really appreciate what cnc can do and cad cam even better. Yes, they could do a lot of different things on those, but get ready for gray hair and ulcers, especially when working on an expensive mold part that you have already stuck a couple of months of labor into. That thing will test your skills to a new level. I sure hope you like doing trigonometry, cause you are going to need it.
Funny - I do kind of like working out mathematical problems. For that matter, problem solving in general is kind of what I live for!
Keith: Your 100,000 viewers are spoiling you all over the place with all these parts! TM long time viewer
I have a CNC, yet i love this machine. i love the mechanical beauty of it that a CNC will never achieve.
Most excellent. I have to rate this as the coolest tool in Keith's shop.
What an absolute beast of a machine! I'm so glad that the accessory collection is adding up. That thing is amazing.
Good morning Keith. It is amazing that the parts are still around if you look hard enough. Thanks for the videos.
Thank you!
This is a small but very helpful, generous world, the Old Machines community!
Well if you make it to Cleveland, you need to see the Age of Steam Roundhouse in Sugar Creek, OH outside of New Philadelphia.
If you go to Sugarcreek, Ohio, you really need to eat at the Der Dutchman. They have really good food but their pies are why I like to go there when I’m close to one.
I hope to make it up there one day.
That mill is the first step in development of the modern CNC mill, love it and hope you get years of enjoyment from it.
Thank you for sharing.👍
Keith, I'm pleased to see that you have acquired a K&T 2D Die Mill. I'm jealous to be sure, as I was very fortunate to be professionally trained to operate these machines while employed with the Boeing Military Airplane Company in Wichita back before the CNC machines took over the machining industry. During my entire career operating these magnificent machines, I have never ran into a single complex operation that this machine was not capable of performing with very impressive precision. This machine is capable of doing more than most are smart enough to comprehend. With due respect, It's clear that you are just getting acquainted with this machine, and at this point you are not aware of the learning curve ahead of you! All I can tell you is TRIGONOMETRY is an absolute must to successfully operate this machine. If you need mentorship, or if you have questions, please contact me. You Sir, are in possession of perhaps the finest piece of machinery ever designed and built in my opinion.
What a cool machine!
Please give an updated tour of your shop. It looks to me like you are about ready to build a much bigger shop even though that one is not very old.
Several people have been asking for this. I will see if I can work that in one day soon.
A machine that has thousands of mechanical parts designed to do complex shapes which soon became obsolete when CNC machines could do the same jobs with 3 servo motors. You can see the same changes now occurring in the automobile market, where the highly complex IC engines and hundreds of related modules are being replaced by EV's with a simple electric motor.
8:30 That screw/taper adapter looks like it might fit a Criterion boring head.
Keith, nice toys. I envy your opportunity to 'play' with a mega-equipped machine shop. I'm kinda like you with fishing tackle. I own a massive amount of every imaginable type and style fishing tackle, including a well appointed boat. Unfortunately, I can't fish or use almost all of it anymore. Hell to get old.
As always Keith I enjoyed watching your video. I look forward to the video, where you're working with this machine.
to me, its mind blowing that people actually figured out how to make mechanical devices like this
And without any computers to help. I personally think that while most people were not nearly as "educated" as we are now back in the day, they were a lot "smarter" than we are today. They had to be so they got a lot of practice at figuring things out and made it easier for them. Now days, we have a lot of highly educated people that don't know how to apply what they know.
Really a monster of a cool milling machine
Good morning Keith! 😊
Beautiful machine
Thanks for sharing
I wanna see this machine with the dividing head mounted on a rotary table and milling with the cherrying head! Although if the timing isn't all synchronized properly, Keith may disappear into the 5th Dimension!
He might meet up with TOT when he’s on one of his escapades! Lol
A journey into the 5th dimension might be kind of fun!
I was looking for a universal head and slotting head for my 2D. I’m in the UK, and you managed to unearth one from the UK! I have a cherrying head and full set of collets in the original K&T box. I’m using QC30 endmill holders, er32 holder, shell mill adaptors and chuck adaptors. I had to make my own nose piece, but that was fairly easy on the 2D.
I do have some spare parts and accessories that I would be willing to part with. If interested, shoot me an email.
your fans love you - because of your completionism
I sent you $20 - you are the best Keith
Thank you!
Cool mill I hadn't seen before.
What a wonderful machine, Keith! Thank you for showing us it interesting components and capabilities. Willy from Freeville
Looks like your new mill is set up for standards to set XY axis. Didn't you pick up a set recently? I used to run a Pratt & Whitney jig bore for tight work. It had a DRO but for really precise work I would set up the standards. I look forward to you setting that rotary mill up. Best of luck!
Yes, I have a set of standards to use with the machine but I am also seriously considering just adding a DRO.
What a beauty!
Keith, is this machine the missing part to the stoker engine rebuild? What's the status of machining those slideways in it? Regards from Canada's banana belt.🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🇺🇦🕊️🇺🇲💩👍
The K & T collet attachment with a thread stub on the end looks like it would attach to a drill chuck.
That is one thing that it might have been used for.
That or a boring head. I'd love to be able to use a boring head with mine... Or a fly cutter.
Keith - sure I am not the first to ask... but how is the 10EE electronics project progressing?
Slow - too many projects all going on at the same time. We will get it though....
That machine looks like it could do the job on the stoker engine 😀
Great video thanks for sharing
Seems like this machine would adapt to the stoker machining issue, unless there just isn't room to mount the stoker base on this table.
Hi Keith. That machine, and its attachments, looks incredible. Do you think it has enough versatility to finish the steam locomotive stoker engine? Thanks for all of your time and effort!
We are going to get back on that project as soon as I can get the band saw out of the shop. Although, I have other plans for that job in particular.
Keith, don’t know if you’ve seen it in your pile yet but you have a Model K or H dividing head dog driver.
Yes, that was in the parts and it is now in my tool cabinet!
Keith, I sent you a message. That 90 degree head may need a fork drive. Also, those triangular things you had on the lower right of the table are rotary table trip dogs for the K&T rotary table when you drive it with the drive brackets. I'd like to read that publication about the cherrying attachment as well. Has it been put on your site?
Good things come to a good man
K&T must have lost money on these machines. The development costs for the machine and all the bespoke tooling must have been phenomenal. With it being a niche product made to exacting accuracy standards and sold in small numbers, it was probably kept in manufacture for the pride of the company rather than the bottom line.
I think that K&T actually purchased this machine design from another company so I don't think that they really did the development work. I think that they greatly improved upon the design and concept that they bought though.
Keith,
Another awesome job. Thank you.
I have a question that I hope you can answer. I purchased a vintage boice-crane 3450 8" jointer. It is in good working condition but needs a little care. I'm having trouble finding parts the most needed part is the cutter head guard. It is a unique design as it pivots on an arm that can rotate out of the way for rabbeting. I placed an ad on vintage machinery but haven't heard anything yet. Any help or sources would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
Kenny Shipman
It is just one of those things that you are going to have to be on the search for and you are probably going to need a bit of luck. Sorry, I don't know of any source.
They are certainly cool machines. I don't need one but want one. I've been on the hunt for one of these for some years now. So far all the ones I've found are too far away or ridiculously priced.
So are we going to see you mill a sphere for grins and giggles?
I was thinking the same thing when he said it would do a sphere, it would make a great video to show the whole process.
So apparently your iron addiction is magnetic and attracts more iron. Great to see this machine reassemble itself auto-magically into its full,original form.
Threaded 30 might be for a grindstone or a saw. Try to find pictures in old manuals is the best way to sort the ideas out. Nice connection.
You actually have a rotary table, the spindle is mounted on it.
Good afternoon Mr rucker just bought a on old Chicago milling machine looking to get some parts for it any info will be appreciated thanks??? If you can
Not sure off hand.
Kool 👍👍👍😎😎😎
You have a antique cnc machine , !!!
I'm sorry...a spear? or a sphere?
Kind of like Mail and Male, or Pair or Pear, Whole and Hole. They are sound the same but are spelled differently. Sphere and Spear. At that is the way we say it down here in my neck of the woods.....
Seems like the pack rats like me has come through for you
Parts come from people who believe there's always a use for tools and parts.we just cant throw good things in a scrap bin. Id give machines away before scrap scroungers come begging.
Too much talking.
Just turn the volume down.
Not every video is action packed. Keith, in addition to his machinist's talents, is an excellent teacher. Don't want to learn? Don't watch.
@@The_DuMont_Network I've been watching Keith's channel for a long time. His speaking skills have improved a great deal over that time. A lot fewer umms and uhs
@@Hoaxer51 I fast forward, no action in any frame.
@@johaneaBoo hoo.
Amazing machine