STRAVA Updates: Subscription Changes // New Features // Hands-on Look [May 2020]
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- One of the most covered topics this week in sports-tech news - Strava rolling out changes to their free and subscriber services. There was a lot of creative media headlines around the changes. It took FOUR DAYS for the announced changes to roll-out at which time I spent a number of hours getting hands-on with what really had changed for the 'Free Strava' experience.
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Summary Strava Free:
- Unlimited uploads / activities.
- Upload direct (Strava Apps) or via a 3rd party linked service (Zwift, TrainerRoad, Peloton, etc)
- Training Summary (Weekly/Monthly/Yearly Totals)
- Dashboard is still the same. (Activity Feed, Kudos, Commenting, Posts - The social experience).
- Activity Analysis (Distance, Time, HR, Power, etc. + point and click drill-down).
- Segments still exist. (THEY ARE NOT PAYWALLED)
- You can see Segment details (distance, elevation, map, etc).
- You'll still set Segment PR/CR/QOM/KOM if you're fast enough.
- You can see your PR and your current activity segment time/stats.
- You can perform an effort comparison against your segment PR and QOM/KOM.
- You can create Segments.
- You can't see anything more than Top 10 Overall and Top 10 Women segment times.
- You can't see all of your previous Segment times/attempts.
- You can't set Goals.
- NO access to Training Analysis (Power Curve, Freshness/Fitness, etc).
- Flybys (full functionality)
- Clubs (full functionality)
- Monthly Challenges (full functionality)
- Routes: This is a tricky one. NO direct access to the new Route Builder.
- - You can't create a route from scratch.
- - You can't modify/edit existing route paths. (Edit: Name, Description, Type, Privacy.)
- - You can copy existing Strava routes. You can create routes from any activity (yours or someone else's). You can also import GPX via Strava Labs (for now). Routes will still sync to 3rd parties (Garmin Connect Courses API, head units etc).
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My biggest annoyance is no longer being able to see "My results" and compare my own efforts. I couldn't care less about other leaderboards, top 10s etc, but why can't I compare my own efforts? I'm not going to get close to most QOMs, but I'd like to know how I'm comparing against myself from last week/month/year.
I have to agree, that is the one thing I really thought Shane would highlight as the biggest problem to their change. It completely changes the value of segments entirely, which has always been one of the biggest features of Strava. Make a $1 tier for this feature alone, and maybe Free members might subscribe, and bring them some money. They're unlikely to create new subs with this model.
Totally agree same here
You can still see them .. just pay the subscription, life isn't free!
@@russellis6993 1. It's your data, 2. I just suggested they bring a tier that's more affordable for more people.
@jessica - it is your data, but it’s their platform that offers the value. Build your own reporting roll and upload your data there then
Top Tip for Strava. Search your OWN support pages. Find the top 10 most requested/commented features and ACTUALLY reply at least ONCE per year.. How hard can that be?
Harder than their tunnel vision can provide for.
It's a process of siloing and becoming deaf to those who are not devoted users. Everyone else becomes invisible.
"You're not holding it right"
They seem to hate their users and ideas not immediately from their own heads. As their actual users constantly requesting the same feature was a personal threat to their dominance. It seems like a silicon valley disease as Zwift have this problem too and a reflection on the man-child world leadership sociopath control freak moron in charge syndrome.
Exactly this. I don't swim, but I row a lot. I want to have rowing on my dashboard, with annual totals, goals etc. Strava already allows rowing as an activity, it just hasn't gone the extra step to allow people to customise what activities are important to them (we aren't all triathletes). This feature has been requested by many user going back many years.
My favourite Strava thread is a guy requesting this exact feature, Other users jump and say yup, me too. More than a year goes by with no Strava comment. Then a Strava rep comments in the thread, thanks for all the comments, tell us what features are important to you. A user immediately responds succinctly summarising what everyone wants in the preceeding thread (the detail was already there). Two years go by, and not further comment from Strava and the feature has not been made. It is so infuriating! I use Strava because Garmin doesn't track activity (intensity minutes) properly. I want to summarise, in 1 place, all my activities, nit just cycling, running and swimming (we do more than these 3). It is so frustrating for these other activities to be largely ignored when the infrastructure is almost there.
Without user’s own data, Strava is nothing. They should keep it free to the users to see their own efforts and results at least.
Kin Chan comes Exactly that. The strava community now has to pay for the data provided by themselves
I appreciate the level-headed, non-emotional overview of the changes. Class act.
Probably wasn't meant to be but this was a great Strava tutorial. Especially on the analysis. Got a lot from it. Thanks Shane.
It's not making changes that annoys me, it's the sudden implementation of things done seemingly on nothing more that a whim. We live in a world of man-child populist dictators, and now I can't even trust my favorite social media providers to not flex their muscles and make sudden arbitary changes. What's next? Doubling the price because the owner wants a new Ferrari next week? Honestly, I'm not sure I want to play this game. They'll probably lose subcribers and money doing this, and they deserve to. /rant out
I've probably been underutilising Strava for years, but all I care about is KOM's and top 10's on very competitive hills. I wasn't against paying, but I don't think there is really any value in it for me as I still have what I need for free. My only concern is that people might drift away and the segments may not be representative of the very best riders.
I feel it might just be the inverse. The verry best riders are the ones riding alot, competing for top places so they are not loosing or find great value in the subscription. Meanwhile, the amateurs (me) who are competing for places 20-50 have to pay or won't even bother going for segments. I don't care about cutting 5sec of my PR, I care about those 10 places on the leaderboard. My little brother doesn't care about cutting 5sec of his PR, he cares about being that 1sec faster than me.
Love the videos you upload to go into depth of changes for Strava but also zwift etc. Thanks for your work! I'm sure it takes a lot more than 20 min to compile all the info and test everything out and make the actual videos
This is all well and good if you're on a laptop/pc BUT I'd argue that most free subscriptions for Strava are used by mobile ph users and that's where it becomes total balls for free subscribers.
Thanks for the deep dive into the Strava updates Shane! Really helpful to actually understand what has actually changed compared to the recent concerns online. Been a subscriber to Strava for many years & will likely continue to be. Lack of route cues is disappointing tho.
I was a subscriber for 3 years. Strava ignored my requests and did everything they could to demonstrate I was not important to them. Suddenly they emergency-release a bunch of features that are 5 years overdue and I'm meant to trust them? Trust is earnt my friend. If Strava demonstrates they can keep up their recent customer-focused form for another 12 months then I might trust them again and pay. Your move Strava.
Agree that the sky hasn’t fallen. Don’t think that there will many free version users will leave, and the subscription users...nothing really changed instead yet more nice new features. I’m a subscription user for many years, and it adds a lot of value. Feature I like the most is probably the social community aspect. My Garmin, Wahoo, map my ride etc simply don’t have all my (virtual) friends in one place. Great review Shane!
Great video, like someone else said I learned a few things about Strava. I mountain bike and started riding in 2015. I changed to a subscription on Strava in 2016. I don’t mind paying for software that I see good value for. I’m surprised it took so long! If I wasn’t a subscriber I would become one so I could compare my efforts to others. It’s rare I’m in the top ten!
Comprehensive Shane, thanks 👍
I've been subscribed for years, mainly for fitness tracking and because, despite many quibbles, I felt it was worth supporting (not the case for all/not judging!). As an aside the biggest thing for me in recent updates has been the reinstatement of power displayed on segments for Zwift rides on the Android Strava app! Sounds so fundamental but Android (only) inexplicably lost this functionality months (years?) ago, you had to go to the website (or an iPhone) to see your power for any given segment you had just ridden on Zwift :/
My health and fitness are important, but not "$60 to analyze my segments and view leaderboards during an economic crisis" important. Taking away features from long-time users was a shite move by Strava, showing that they have no common sense when it comes to business ethics. They would have gone about this much better had they listened to users and employees rather than execs and board members.
I mean Strava is also dealing with this economic crisis. I pay $6.50 a month, which is nothing. I would rather pay a fee, than have Strava become another Facebook, with annoying ADS. It’s up to the user if what is lost is worth paying for. Strava has a right to charge for their services.
Segments are out of hand with the amount of ebikes and people in cars after mountain biking...not paying for that.
True...but I think you can flag suspicious activity.
Travis Bowersox yet another way users give value back to Strava, just like segment creation...
@@travisbowersox8586 Shouldn't have to. Easy to fix this problem with machine learning but Strava are too incompetent as an organisation to get that together.
What do you mean by 'people in cars after mountain biking' ??
@@arbjful people always forget to turn off their strava after mountain biking.. they load their bike onto a car and drive through town and take all the leaderboards.. most don't bother cropping them afterwards.
I was waiting for this video. As usual gives you the facts plain and simple. Thanks 😎👍👍
for me the point was to see how fast i am compared top local cyclist so my relativ position on the segment but now thats ngone i dont really care (and no, its not worth 4$/month to me)
4$ ??? Price 8 $ / month
Wicked Pissah Cool video MR. Lama! I’ve used the route features a bunch of times it’s wicked cool!
Nice one fella! That answered a lot of my questions. Great content as always. 👍
If anything, these changes made me want to subscribe even less than i did before. The community has been asking for new features and bug fixes for so long (for premium users), yet go ignored. They decide the best solution is to remove content instead. What a joke.
@14:25: Alexandra Halliday has the QOM. She held 751W, 57kph for 1:11 minutes at 86bpm back in August 1999. Yes, of course.
And they say Zwift has all the cheaters! ;)
Sounds legit 😄
That's not power meter data. That's strava's estimate. If you're riding in a group and / or have a massive tailwind, those numbers will be off by a lot.
Thought Strava rolled out software this year to remove these. If it worked it would of been the only one of the "52 new Improvement for 2020" that users wanted.
A few days ago I took a KOM on a flat segment that's part of my morning commute, and strava estimates my power at 907W for 37s. This was actually just a really decent tailwind, but strava has no way of knowing that.
Ah yes, just $5usd per month, which is $7.65 aud, or $10.99 in Strava Aussie dollars.... $3.34 of Australia tax slapped on top, no wonder people are pissy.
Great summary Shane. I still think Strava paid is pretty good value for money, and free certainly is. The stuff that people expect for free amazes me. The only other option is ads and personally, I would rather pay.
I stopped the premium sub when they featured the bully mcnichols.
Thank you for a informative video. I even learnt how to use some extra feature in strava that I had not looked at.
Not being able to see other segment lists, and removing the majority of comparable data, could cause a dip in subs. If a lot of users stop using, then its value goes down. Also bad timing to monetise their app, during a lockdown, while many have uncertain income and job security. Looks a bit greedy.
Create route from someone else's ride, have somehow missed this until now! Often think someone I follows route is good but would manually copy it from my start point. Now I can copy then edit to my own start point, thanks for that one!
Using the word "complementary" instead of "free" would have been my suggestion to Strava.... Thank you again Shane for the video... helps alot :)
I wouldn't subscribe to strava the only reason they have made the changes is because so many people are riding more it's just about making money at the end of the day it's just business. Love the channel keep up the good work 🤙
Thanks for this grear video. Very informative. To me, the free account is more than enough
I was astonished to learn that Strava has around 175 employees. I had assumed it was just a three men and a dog situation due to the lack of improvements or changes.
Does Strava just pay them all to sit and make bibble noises with their lips all day? What exactly are they all doing?
Personally I feel like these changes are a massive mistake for Strava. They have forgone the carrot of actually adding features that may be of value (after watching the competition fly past them as they sat on their laurels for so many years) and just gone for the stick. The problem is this decision has all the hallmarks of self flagellation. I fear that the end result is that it will end up robbing Strava of the key value of the platform; its users.
When you actually look at what Strava is, it is just a social platform for athletes. Like all social platforms it is totally dependent on a critical mass of users. Once people cease to see value, or see greater value elsewhere they will abandon the platform - look at Friends Reunited, Bebo or Myspace.
Whilst I fully understand the massive costs of running and hosting a platform such as Strava and their pitiful rates of conversion to the paid for tiers; alienating the user base by removing functionality (the stick) diminishes the value for all users paid or free.
The only real value I saw in Strava comes from competition with friends on segments. Komoot & Ride With GPS are far better for route planning; Garmin Connect & Training Peaks are far better for ride analysis, Todays Plan is a better training Diary -etc...
Personally, I feel Strava ceases to have any purpose in this world without meaningful segment leader-boards and so I have ceased uploading rides into Strava. The problem is how many people will it take to follow suit before the pyramid topples?
It is a real shame as I was getting really close to renewing my paid for membership - just on goodwill grounds.
As a Garmin user all my data is already in Garmin Connect so transition is essentially friction-less for me and so for the time being at least Garmin Connect will remain my primary choice.
I don't understand Benjamin, you say "It is a real shame as I was getting really close to renewing my paid for membership - just on goodwill grounds", but now that you get improved service as a paid user you don't want to pay any longer?
@@laurensvanhoorn2811 it's extremely arguable that you get more. I suppose it depends on where you place value. For me as I see little value in many of the other features and I feel that both the way these changes were made was unduly cynical, I see little inclination to make any goodwill payment and instead will just go elsewhere.
I think you nailed it. Paywalling the possibility to compete with your friends on segments is a big mistake. Even if I'm willing to pay anyway, I know there will be friends who simply won't pay and they loose incentive to compete with me or might not even see a reason to join the platform at all. So me, the paying user, is actually hurt from this change.
The remaining free features are better than I expected, and probably I could get by with that but if I get any income happening again anytime soon I'll try and support by subscribing. Didn't it used to be about $12 or $15/month AUD?
For me strava premium is one of the best investments. Many people buy expensive watch and the do not know how to use all that features.
Well, I use strava every single day, and I’m really happy something like strava even exists. So, thanks a lot strava for your work and efforts on this amazing app, and I have absolutely no problem to pay for something great. (I’m a paying member since over 3 years)
Exactly. It’s flipping amazing value and people expect the moon for 5 bucks a month. Seriously. Cost of a coffee or two. Hardly any price rise in 5 years...
My kingdom to have a ride type associated with a bike automatically... Outdoor ride my X, Trainer ride my Y. Bummer having to (remember to) change it post ride for any gear records to be useful.
Have you tried using the iphone app RunGap to upload to Strava instead of how you do it now? RunGap allows you to set equipment type for different workouts like the way you describe automatically, so outdoor bike uses x and a trainer y
Meh complete ripoff... If I had to pay this amount for every app I used I would be broke, all apps are free these days and use advertisements to help pay, if you decide all of a sudden you want money from everybody then your app will die we all know this. The main reason people use strava is compare their segment times with their friends and their previous times but since this cost $60 USD a year now nobody will pay for it.... with free account strava is useless now because there is many better free apps.. Put advertisements and stop trying to get the money from the users or RIP
If a lost feature is that important to you... why would you not want to pay for it ? years ago I had Football free, now i have to pay (3 different subscriptions if I want all the games like I used to have)... I could list dozens more "free" things that I now have to pay for, and you know what, the Sports Channels still sell advertising even though I have to pay for it.... another brilliant video Shane, thanks a million
Most people I know including myself are not paid subscribers on Strava. And we are not compelled to subscribe now just to continue the free features we were getting but now removed. If Strava really is relying on the new subscription model to survive then I think they are on a spriral death roll. And if you use Strava as the primary storage for your historic data I would strongly suggest you download that data to an alternate cloud storage.
I’d probably pay if I could get turn-by-turn on my Bolt from the routes.
You should be able to do that! You may have to reset the Strava account in the Wahoo app... this happens sometimes. Delete the connection then reconnect, go to the bolt' s route page and resync. If you copy a route as in llamas video you should be able to send it to the bolt by syncing even onthe free account. You just can't make your own routes from the map tool by the looks of it.
I use the Garmin Connect app to upload custom routes to my 945. Super easy. You can also save it to your computer and upload the file to your Wahoo
Sure, just save it to Framitz, open in Whodis, move to Drive:Wah, export , import to the Huh feature, reboot, and save.
what could be easier?
There could be commercial reasons for the timing,If Strava had introduced these changes earlier they probably would never have built up the massive user base on the current free Strava and got so many hooked,many free subscribers will probably opt for high privacy settings as what is the point of your average Joe contributing to the lower ,daily or yearly tables if you can't see your own comparison.I think the concept of charging is fine as Strava development has its costs but with 50 million users and a charge of say £10 a year if a fifth paid that would be a revenue of 500 million a year,£50 a year plus is too expensive,I have paid not much more than that for annual motorcycle insurance which covers huge risk and liability, running club membership including England athletic association is less,my cycling club membership is less including insurance and affiliation to British cycling,OK so it's is a commercial venture that's fine but they can't moral posture the long term commercial gains are possibly stronger by having got plenty of fish hooked for free first with the more generous original free version
Thanks for the video, but as they say there "Is no Free Lunch". I will miss comparing my segment times to other riders not just the Top 10.
I've had the free account for many years and now am doing a trial period. One thing that I never realized was that the subscription has temperature and wind speed of which I have always been curious about when I ride as I ALWAYS have a breeze/gusts that I'm riding in. It would be nice if the calculated power took in account the wind speed-I may be going slow but I'm fighting a headwind. Anyway, for me $5.00/month is worth it. Thanks for the review.
Temperature has always been there if it was recorded on a head unit. As of a few months ago they added more weather details from DarkSky for paid accounts.
Segment Leaderboards is what people are complaining about....I can no longer compare with my friends or followers on segments....I can no longer see where I am on the list!! I can get this free on other apps...by bye Strava!!
I liked the Strava Route Builder already a lot and used it may times with more than 700 created routes all over Europe. So I was excited to hear it was changed a lot. But what is actually new in the Strava Route Builder? I do not think it is a big change at all.
- So they have changed the look and feel - okay but that is not a new feature.
- So they have changed the underlying map with some layers - okay, but what does that really add?
- So now you can see percentages of the different surfaces - okay, besides the fact that the underlying map contains errors on this, it does add a bit but you can't trust on it.
Is that such a huge improvement? I do not think so to be honest.
What would be great features that I personally still miss?
- Create and assign categories to routes in a folder like structure so you can find your routes easier.
- A good search and filter function so you can search on name, distance, elevation, categories (yes the other feature) and maybe even surface type or what have you.
It would be better if we could pay 5 AUD instead of USD. I use to pay for strava, but decided to cancel a couple of years ago, it became quite expensive and I was not using any of those paid features, now there are some features that I like such as Training log, Routes and also being able to check my results as I like to follow the evolutions of my power in some specific segments that I ride very often, so, not sure yet, but maybe I'll start to pay again, let's see.
Thank you Shane for the new Strava account overview. Much appreciated.
New subscriber to your channel your content is incredible , clear well spoken and superb production , well done 👍
Thanks! I guess you haven't seen my GTA Bike livestream yet then... ;)
Thanks for clarifying the segments thing.
When that email first came in, I thought for sure Strava was increasing or add new tiers to their subscription. But, as a current subscriber, I was pleasantly surprised.
Well done Shane 👌
When did they get rid of segments leaderboard for "today"? That was really useful to find out if certain trails that are prone to flooding are even rideable that day. I do not see that any more
Since I used the route maker I had pay for it but I did pay for the whole year just incase
Great stuff! You've cleared everything up for me - I guess I owe you a month's subscription fee!!??! TBH, I'd be happy paying a minimum (eg $1/month) fee even for the basics.
Wow!... love the professional ‘news studio’ look and presentation, very informative content review as well. You don’t get much in this life for free and this subscription costs less than £1 a week in the UK, so can’t really see what all the fuss is about. Cyclists can be a fickle bunch, spending £££’s on having the best gear and saving a bit of weight here and there but have a meltdown when asked to support a service that they have been getting free for years. 🤦🏼♂️😂😂😂
Strava is a company and if they want to charge then go fo it. I have no problem with that BUT me personally I wont pay for a service that is not even better than my Garmin Connect. Sorry. Strava is nothing more than a social tool for cycling. Garmin Connect is a true fitness platform
It's not too bad considering, I sucked up for PS4 when they changed to $70 a year for PlayStation plus when PS3 it was free. But still, be fuc*** if I'm giving my money to strava sorry. I'm still bumed about having to play for play station. I just done like making people rich
Hi thanks for all the info about Strava, I have been on Strava from 2012 and was a paying user until last year, but with all the changes I have permanently deleted account this week and moved onto Ride with GPS. Just over all the on going changes.
It’s a great app. It’s not expensive. For people that use it every day or close enough to daily, it should be a no brainer to be prepared to pay for it. If we all expect good, cheap stuff to be free then we won’t have that good thing available for anyone much longer. Seriously. Would we rock up for our morning coffee at our local cafe and expect it for free? I wonder how that would go?
Thanks for the video... Good to see all these changes laid clearly in one place. You're 100% right about it being up to individuals to make their own value judgement.
I'm yet to make my mind up. I've been a strava subscriber in the past and I do pay for veloviewer pro (so do see value in this kind of thing) but it was pretty clear to me that the previous model of subscription wasn't worth paying for. With routes and leaderboards going this does change the proposition a bit.
I like strava routes. It was the best freely available route builder that I've used but I maybe use it a couple of times a month. The ability to see previous segment efforts will also be missed. I liked to see my progression over time that way and also how I stack up vs my mates. Again though this is a function I might use in 2 or 3 activities each month. For all the other features I would gain becoming a subscriber... I really don't see myself making use of any of them.
I'm leaning towards not worth it. I think for me £30 annually is about the upper limit of what I'd be happy to spend.
With the number of subscribers a reasonable say £30 subscription would attract I think Strava would make a huge amount,I also think about £30 is enough,the price asked is too much
The only thing I wish Strava would do with segments is to allow you to turn off other people's segments in my view. I don't want to see multiple segment names and 1/10 of mile differences for the same segment I rode. Let me have a blank slate for me to be able to create a segment of a ride that I may want to keep track of. I am tired of seeing a segment for every quarter-mile of a ride I might take.
If they already have this option, please let me know. I am a subscriber of their service but I am not a, I must analyze every inch of every ride type of person.
The sky has fallen. No Route planner, No training log, I don't care about the leaderboard but I would love to see all of my results on a segment and that isn't free anymore. Now is a time for a competitor to come in and kill off strava. Maybe a joint Garmin/Wahoo strava like offering. Come on!!
A competitor to come in and to it better, for free? Won't happen. If it does, we'll see the same cycle again in a few years when they have to make money.
@@gplama I doubt that, strava can easily put advertisements up and make tons of money instead of taking it from the users, they apparently don't believe in advertisements but that's their problem. if a new app comes along and puts ads Strava will for sure die but they will smarten up and make it free again if they had any brains
Clicked on a random video about Strava, watching through it, then you click on your wife's activity and I had a "They live in my town!" and then "she rode past my house" moment...
im strarting to see the writing on the wall. progresivly strava will remove all free aspects of the platform. like leaderboards, segments, data analasis. once they have done this the price of subscriptions will gradually be ramped up. people are addicted, strava is part of their lives and they know it. might have to start looking for another platform
Cypriano I think people are starting to get over it. No point in the KOMs anymore as the records are always from some dude blasting his tt bike with freak tailwind two years ago
Step 1 make it free,ramp up the users Step 2 when numbers are high enough and enough are hooked then start charging for the features users are addicted to. Step 3 with mega subscribers start ramping up the charges to the maximum a sizable number will pay
Strava is just FB but now you pay for it.
You can’t take times for real, as all you have to do is jump on a motor bike and your now the leader. Trick is just don’t be greedy and know one will ever know lol. And if someone beats your time it’s time to get the motor bike out for a ride.
@@handoromper7987 You don't need a motor. Just wait for tail wind or ride in paceline with friends leading you out and you beat pretty much everybody
@@checkthefacts. Step 4 take the company public with IPO.
I guess I’m one of the lucky ones who hasn’t had any of the features I use cut. I find the RWGPS route builder better anyway.
Thanks for the clarification Shane. Nicely done.
Nice video. When I have the new routes linked to to push to my garmin, will I get turn by turn navigation?
Cancelled my PlayStation Network Subscription and now I’m a full subscriber to Strava. I waited a year of free use to make the leap.
Strava should value your content in the form of financial remuneration. The difference between your presentation and what they offer shows me that it is easier to comprehend their services through a talking head.
Thank you I think that was the most informative analysis of the changes I've yet seen. I too read a lot of articles on the changes that ranged from entirely untrue to just somewhat inaccurate. Personally I think Strava charge a very modest sum for what they provide and I prefer it to be ad free.
Fantastic review. Route builder is still not very solid (weird things happen sometimes) and for me the Labs GPX editor will fail about 60% of the time. Also still no "reverse route" or "out and back" functionalities. My Gear page also needs some love, useless in the age of virtual rides and multiple wheels. All in all, as a Strava subscriber (and I'll stay so) I'm glad that segments are not gone for the free users and there's still some reason to stay in the free tier rather than dropping Strava altogether.
Personally the biggest change is the route builder. Sucks that it’s going away in the free version. All the rest I couldn’t care less. I’m a subscriber until July, was going to a free account before these changes and this has not changed my mind.
They ruined strava
Thanks for a less "rage quit" summary!
I really would like to have some light version of premium. I just want route creating and leaderboard access (or atleast to see my past results). Maybe the premium is not that much but I feel like I would waste money on premium when I use maybe 30% of the features so I still did not bought premium :/
Dropped Strava for Komoot this year. Best decision I could have made.
Komoot is for e-bikers and funriders. Strava for ambitioned sportsmen.
peter klaus Strava is more like facebook, fun but useless for athletes. If you need a real training app just use Training Peaks.
Just check the breeze on your QOM/KOM dates. We have bike (sailing?) club group riders doing one-way (downwind) rides on 40 knot days.
Check the winds and direction by date: www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/ny/new-york-city/KLGA
Some the positives in this list are handled in detail in the garmin / wahoo app's. I have not seen the new route builder but rwgps i found better so meh. Leader boards are a bit of a 'downer' but (free accounts) can still 'contribute' to them ... lol Whatever for ? :-) I'm not helping to supply the water if i can't drink some of it ;-) especially with a £48 upfront or the real monthly cost of £6.99 ( £84 ) just so my mates can still say i suck :-)
The cool thing about Strava, in my opinion, is the segment leaderboards where you can compare yourself with your mates/people from your local club. The all-time leaderboards has always been bogus cheaters anyway, but at least I could compete with friends on various segments.
Now that they have made it subscription-based only, me and ALL my mates have to subscribe to keep competing and motivating eachother to push harder, and I just don't see everyone doing that. There is no real competitive drive anymore, which is sad. I wish they kept the "following" / "Clubs" leaderboard in the free version. Really sad to see it go.
I found, there is no way that free user can search for Routes in a region. But if they get a link to a route from a premium user they see that route.
I hope you also make a video about the API changes and how badly Strava communicated this to programmers.
Strava screwed with a few projects I had a number of years ago in regard to segment queries via the API. I got pissed off back then and moved on. I don't have a lot to contribute in regard to the recent API changes. Nothing I use changed.
@@gplama elevate for strava which is the best training tool for strava just trigger a "too many requests" after 2 refreshs and can't access to the website for a number of hours, this just dumb from strava, might as well just pay for training peaks honestly.
Dude! You are awesome!
Really like your videos
Glad you like them!
No issue whatsoever with the subscription service, couple of energy bars a month? Good value I think. What I do wish they would get to grips with are the cheats. I'm tired of flagging segments that are simply not achievable on a standard bike. Most segments are worthless I know but these people really pi$$ me off...
Can free accounts export a route (to modify on another site)? I think I answered my own question (copy a route to my account then export)
What a great 1st world problem to have....losing a few features that others have been funding for years! Software, Movies, Music & printed media have the same type of issue -- payment for services is optional because of "reasons"... Great deep dive into this Shane!
What I want to see is Strava remove or make the downhill live segment restriction a lot less restrictive. A -.25% cutoff is ridiculously conservative.
Garmin Connect has segments and a social aspect, albeit a smaller community. Overall, Ride with GPS also has segments and social features and has always been better for route building and cycling analysis (even with a free account).
I like Strava, its a fun tool but its also a domain for cheats something a pay for service has to get onto. I'm a free user and happy to pay for what's been removed but not for close to $100 per year. $100 or 2 dollars Aud per week isn't a fortune but when you are already a big consumer of online services as i am it gets quite expensive. I think a reasonable fee of say $50 Australian per annum is what most folks could and would pay especially in tough timed for many.
Why is Rob Schrab teaching me about Strava?
As I understand it, Strava's original business model was to monetise the data gained from their users, plus run a subscription service for development features that could eventually work their way down to the free service. The fairly recent development of strict data protection laws changed that. Even with changes to their T&Cs they couldn't utilise the data well enough to make it sufficiently valuable to run the app/service. So they either had to change the level of free service provided, or run ads.
If you're regularly using the segments feature then your probably a fairly serious cyclist. Is it really too much to ask people to pay up the price of a coffee and slice of cake for something they'll use on a regular basis?
I'm annoyed by the way Strava implemented these changes, but I'm willing to be a paying customer for an year. I hope Strava learn from their mistakes going forward.
I have a question and wish if you can answer. I Have an I watch series 5 and i phone 11 max. Things I can do with a different app is, Able to use my phone like a bike computer to see my speed ,elevation etc. and I the same time my watch is monitoring my heart rate and whatever other information I choose to have. Does the Strava application support the same thing? so I have tried and it seems it does not. What it looks like is that you can only use either or . Thank you in advance.
At €2 monthly the will get rich
These changes make the free Elevate plug-in very handy - thomaschampagne.github.io/elevate/#/landing
I use Strava every day and the free plan is right for me. Anything more advanced, I'll do with Garmin Connect, which is where I have my clean data, and which I already paid for.
Strava has seen significant drop of their subscribers an opt to just have free account. People realizing that there is not much of a value to be a paid subscriber. I personally canceled my Strava Subscription because i can monitor everything in my Garmin Free app and software.
Update. Your segments are still on the iOS app, just not on the desktop version. All of them, not just the current and PR. So I advice not to update the app anytime soon.
Lots of people are taking exception to losing segment analysis for previous efforts. I don't understand why people get hung up on segments, there are so many variables on any ride that no two rides are comparable. You could ride the same segment ten times in one day and you'll almost certainly get different times each one.
You are amazing! Thank you so much for making this video and all others videos. They are always insightful.
Thanks for the time u spent finding the changes in Strava ,
But Strava still was kinda sneaky , ok I get it costs money to to run services and pay developers , most of the stuff available in premium I won't ever use , and I am never going to be in the top 10 on a leader board , the one feature I like was comparing myself to people on my following list who 99 % of the time are people I actually know , that segment analysis is gone , like really come on how stingy can u be , I mean it's my content they are analysing which is all part of the whole platforms client base , look best of luck to Strava I wish them all the success ,
Been waiting for this video for a short while and have been wondering why you hadn’t made a video and now I know why, everyone else has rushed their content out without know facts and you have clearly taken the time to make sure you have everything we need to know first. Top job a great video once again 👍
I've paid for Strava for years. If you're someone that's been paying for it this is awesome for us! =D