How The Beatles revolutionized the music business
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Acclaimed musicians Nile Rodgers, John Oates, Tad Kubler, and Felix Cavaliere discuss how The Beatles revolutionized popular music and the way the band's success changed the business. Anthony Mason hosted the conversation as part of the CBS News live event, "50 Years: The Beatles," at the Ed Sullivan Theater.
The beatles were so talented it was almost supernatural.
Well said!! Their music is MAGIC-- some sort of profound alchemy-- no one can touch them.
@lucy bond absolutely
i have always thought that... ni una banda siquiera se les acerca... Strange!!!
They stayed fairly humble,and never took themselves too seriously. Another reason to admire them. They always kept their heads and perspective.
What do these creeps know about the great british Beatles,What a waste of time
@lucy bond yep. Was just going to say that.
The greatest thing the Beatles had going for them was their relative lgnorance of musical convention. They didn't know what they didn't know. And that gave them a freedom to try just about anything. And there were no limits either internally and externally. And they had a sound engineer that was a tremendous musician himself.
When i was a kid and you tried to form a band, people tried to categorize the members as "Who is John who is Paul etc." so it definitively had become an archetype
Yes, this is true!
Bonzo is John lol
@@davidkariu Wrong it wasnt John Lennon
the Beatles are the gold class of music...
Platinum baby.
@@tallterrilaw8646 Diamond baby
Yep . They're the absolute gold standard for all bands and artists today .
Everyone would be talking about the Beatles if they'd stopped after those first few songs. But the fact they went on and really pushed the limits with things like sergeant pepper was mind blowing. That's just not normal.
I don't believe this is true. If form some reason they stopped after the Please Please Me album, and never made it in America they would have only been a local hit and played clubs for a while and disappeared probably being little known today.
Others around that time which were big hits in England, or locally a big deal, are barely known today and most of them are only known because the Beatles hit it big and everyone was looking for other groups like the Beatles to cash in on. Think Jerry and the Pacemakers. Tho they were greatly talented, it took a certain place in time, and the right people to discover and promote them for it all to happen as it did.
The new movie coming out, "Yesterday," if it is as I think it may be, might go into this a bit. It looks to be an interesting movie.
words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup.
That line is something else
“The blues is a chair, not a design for a chair, or a better chair… it
is the first chair. It is a chair for sitting on, not chairs for looking
at or being appreciated. You sit on that music… We didn’t sound like
anybody else, that’s all. I mean we didn’t sound like the black
musicians because we weren’t black. And because we were brought up on a
different kind of music and atmosphere, and so ‘Please Please Me’ and
‘From Me to You’ and all those were our version of the chair. We were
building our own chairs.”
-John Lennon, 1970
3 music geniuses coming together, each happening to compliment each other in skills. And then they have arguably the best drummer in history.
Oh and they had a producer that according to Brian Wilson himself out mixed him at the board on Brian´s own most famous song, in moments. Amazing taste, not to mention skill at practically most everything about music and recording..
Its practically a fairy tale story.
Sveinn Sigurður Yes, it was almost like a fairy tale, but with the appalling murder of John, it had the worst possible ending.
Kinda like jesus.
Jean D yes the best rock drummer
If not the best, certainly the most innovative and influential. Before Ringo, a turnaround fill was simply a roll on a snare, something like a marching band. Ringo originated the slow, syncopated turnaround that every rock drummer uses now. The overhand grip on both sticks was another trend that Ringo pioneered to give rock beats their power. He tuned his drums to a lower pitch to give their sound more presence, and he put a microphone on each drum when he recorded. When measured by a metronome, Ringo was proven to have perfect tempo. He also played in 7/4, 7/8, and 11/8 time signatures, which many drummers cannot do. Most of what he did is now standard and taken for granted, but he was the originator.
Well there was two musical geniuses anyway.
This is a very good, interesting video. Thanks for posting it. He's a good interviewer. Glad he brought up how fast the Beatles evolved or changed. Martin deserves a lot of credit. Glad to hear him get some here. Martin was trully the 5th Beatle.
What was great about those 4 Lads from Liverpool. They loved American music. Then they created their interpretation of Blues and Motown, and merged it with Folk and Classical experimentation and wrote impeccable songs. The work ethic was tremendous. I learned to appreciate them more once I traveled to Europe. I listened properly to the Sgt. Peppers Album. They have been influenced by the African American Rhythm and Blues. When they went to Hamburg, Germany they honed their skills. Their 10,000 hours were really implemented. They got sharp. Favorite song hands down A Day In The Life amongst others.
The Beatles were awesome ! The words, the melody, the harmonies.....to think that they wrote all of their music was unbelievable.....every album....every single song was great. There hasn't been a band that has come close even though of course I love other bands.
"When I was 14 I met a man named Timothy Leary"...Now that's how you start a story.
im 53 and still waiting for something as good as they were ...........
its not happened yet
for me
I'm 59. Don't hold your breath.
Elvis would be the huge exception. Even the Beatles individually (and a zillion others like Springsteen, Berry, Dylan, Petty, Morrison) acknowledge that he was the greatest. He preceded the Beatles.
david janson only band that comes close for me with the same quality who are still playing together and still putting out great music is Radiohead.
sadly not a prolific song writer though,with only a handful of songs in his name
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Absolutely loved this...thank you so much for sharing.
Amazing. CBS you had one job and you nailed it w this series. Priceless
At about 12:28, when Anthony Mason is asking how was it that the Beatles had the courage to break so many rules, I was surprised that no one mentioned John Lennon's own response to this question : The Beatles broke so many rules simply because they didn't KNOW the rules. Remember they couldn't read or write music.
Also disappointed that they didn't utilize Patty Boyd more. After all, she was there!!! C MH
"they didn't KNOW the rules". Fair point, but that has to do with music theory, not whether or not you can read or write music. Most rock musicians can't read or write music but they do know their chords, how chords are built from the degrees of the major scale, how chords are voiced across the range of their instrument, what scales can be played over which chords etc etc. Despite Lennon's slightly disingenuous remark, The Beatles knew a lot of that stuff too, if not all of it.
C MH I didn't even notice Patty until she piped up, I got so startled.
Yeah, she was there..but she wasn't a musician. What did you expect from a model?
Talking about The Beatles revolutionized the music industry. Two of the testaments here are the songs, 'Tomorrow Never Knows', a psychedelic rock that was very much way ahead of its time and 'Helter Skelter' which pioneered heavy metal rock.. To sum it up, The Beatles created 'The Modern Music Templates'..
Nailed it. They stumbled upon virtually every other genre' leaving nothing that hadn't been explored. They were, "The Perfect Storm, unlimited funds and studio time and success helped them to achieve this but no one should forget the other essential parts of that storm. No.1 was George Martin who knew far more than they did about everything musical, studio engineering, and classical music plus arranging. George Martin, after all, had been, i believe, 1st chair oboist in the London Philharmonic Orchestra.
He wrote many of their classical instrument arrangements, (see "Yesterday" and many others) He also played piano and harpsichord to name a bit on their records!
The classically inspired solo of Lennon's "In My Life" was played by George Martin who had the brilliant idea of recording the solo at a different tape speed and then returned it to normal speed to create and amazing solo effect.
Their engineers of which there were many also contributed "milestones", such as splicing studio wiring at E.M.I. (now named Abbey Road) which ran John Lennon's lead vocal on, "Tomorrow Never Knows" through the spinning Leslie speakers designed for Hammond B3 organs and such which gave his voice that amazing ethereal effect.
Virtually, anything they asked for to be done people would go long hours to try and make it happen!
Unprecedented in todays recording business never mind, The Beatles had just about done everything sonically and recording studio, conceivable!
And, their two roadies were, "on it" ,much especially, Mal Evans, tragically killed by Los Angeles police during a domestic dispute with his wife, burst in with Mal sitting down with a rifle and blew him away. "Suicide by cop", possibly or perhaps just those pesky, overzealous, "Yank Cops", that are now so infamous for filling even unarmed folks with a "pound of led" before even attempting to diffuse a situation.(I hate guns)
And lastly, but far from least, the extraordinary talents of their manager Brian Epstein!
He may not have had the most celebrated business savvy but he intuitively KNEW what was needed and got it done.
A knack for being at the right place at the right time and great tenacity and BELIEF in the "Fab Four."
And any drummer and otherwise could tell you that no one and i mean NO ONE had drums tuned nor sounding like Ringo Starr before RINGO STARR! And, his "drum fills" were also completely unheard of before those Beatle records and then overnight all drummers were mocking his sound and style. Indeed, this was historically and musically a once in the history of humanity and the arts, event.
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The Beatles were the biggest one off in musical history, two of the greatest and most influential songwriters ever happened to live within a stones throw of each other in Liverpool, George Harrison & Ringo made a perfect to the band, they caught the attention of Brian Epstein who had never managed a music act before but his vision of how big they would be and how he made them professional without losing their authenticity AND George Martin, the perfect producer who encouraged them, adding his own touch to their songs will never be repeated .
Great interview! Love the part "in my faux british accent" hahaha so great. Also awesome they got Patti there. Long live the Beatles!
Don't forget George Martin, he played a big part in the whole Beatles' musical revolution. Also, Anthony Mason was correct about the Beatles and Motown, they were the soundtrack for the sixties.
The Beatles were the perfect band to be a member. All four members sang lead to a hit song. All four members became internationally famous. Two genius songwriters. A good student songwriter. No member could be replaced.
They changed my life forever ! I became a musician because of them . Paul made playing bass real cool I am a bass player as a kid I saw them on the ED Sullivan show in 1964 I was six they influenced a six year old kid .
El mejor grupo de rock de todos los tiempos
The Beatles were so influential to me, that I even wrote a song about them that's on RUclips, called "HOPED FOR AN ENCORE".
What a fun panel
7:17 The Beatles weren't the first white rock'n'roll band to be dressed identically. In the UK, all the '50s and 60s band members were dressed the same It was not influenced by Motown. It was British practice since as far back as anybody could remember. No one went onstage in street clothes.
luckyharry1000 you have a point
On the outfits, I thought of the Shadows - very formal regimented look and steps. I think that it all probably goes back to the more formal big bands that were around not so long before (and those going back to the pre-war dance orchestras and which go back to classical...) a time were musicians were serious professional entertainers, trained and thinking of it as a career. Also a time when music was not so freely accessible as it is now, and usually live, so going out for a night of music and dance was a big deal... people would have been outraged if the big event they looked forward to all week after working tough and dull jobs, which paid for such treats... was some kids in dirty denim snarling at them :-)
Actually, the Beatles went onstage in street clothes, before they went on in suits.
@@chasingautumns the Quarrymen
They had what no other group had...chemistry!
interesting discussion
well done...thanks Anthony...top notch
How could you NOT dance to early Beatles records?????
Actually I grew up in Beatlemania, worshiped them and I bought their Cuban heals had all the bubblegum cards, knew every song from end to end, but for the most part you really couldn’t dance to beatle music, its singing and listening of course I saw her standing there may be an exception but overall not dance music so John Oates, I agree with.
In an earlier interview McCartney said that he and Lennon dreamed of being the next George & Ira Gershwin, or Rogers & Hammerstein. Which is to say, they had their goal set to be like some of the greatest lyric and music writing teams in history. IMO great lyrics are seriously lacking in modern music - the last few generations think a quantity of crappy words make up for their lack of ability in telling a story with clear articulation and finesse (as with Lennon-McCartney, Jagger-Richards, Bob Dylan).
Joni Mitchell should be in that pantheon.
This is great. Thanks for sharing.
And dont forget Geoff Emerick....
Please put subtitles to appreciate the content and to study it
who are these guys????
Rock on,Felix!
If you want to hear what recording technology directly influenced by recordings of the Beatles, listen on RUclips to a song from The Gathering in the early 2000s - from their Souvenirs album called These Good People. Put on headphones. It is amazing.
Hall and Oates are the most successful duo in rock and roll history, really? Simon and Garfunkel, The Everly Brothers?
...The Carpenters (well, soft rock history)
Love The Carps:) Dat voice..man:)
Hall and Oates -- sold more records than any other duo in music history. Ergo: most successful. Billboard Magazine named them the most successful duo. Blame them.
@@oldcougar65 sold more records, but not as talented as simon & garfunkel or as legendary! But I acknowledge, Hall & oats were good.
@@dougreed2257 I don''t need to be sold. When people used to ask me if I believed in God, I said, "No, but if there is a god, it's Paul Simon." I have a many Simon/S&G albums, but only one Hall & Oats. I was merely quoting statistics, not stating an opinion, though I like H&O a lot (saw Oates in concert a couple of years ago - he was great, funny, personable.)
that guy from the hold steady looks like a cross between angus young and garth from waynes world
Who's Tad Kubler?
I love Patti!
The founding members of Pink Floyd were art/architecture students. Good point.
The greatest problem with music as it is, is that it is a "business".
Tad kubler never heard! Who is he?
Oats is right. Without George Martin, The Beatles wouldn't be.
For more than one reason too. He was the only one to give them a contract after Brian Epstein had approached just about every label. Then after that there was his recording and production style, and his massive contribution musically.
Wasn't Nile a bartender on STNG?
Let’s keep in mind that the 4 Seasons were one of the first groups to write and own their own publishing to this day. And this was before the Beatles.
Is that Stevie Nicks? The Beatles weren't a generational phenomena, they are timeless. Like the great composers of the 1700's, in 3-400 years people will still be playing and performing Beatle songs, like they perform Mozart, Bach and Beethoven.
I want to break the rules and break new ground too...in a completely different area.
i suppose the beatles questioned the "rules" cuz they were more intelligent than most people. also, with paul at least his dad had been in music so that probably helped. i wouldn't be surprised if the others had older family in music.
Elvis revolutionized the music industry. The Beatles say it themselves. Elvis is the GOAT.
I think The Beatles were the REAL revolution. I like Elvis, but musically he was another 50's rockabilly singer (like Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bill Haley, Jerry Lee Lewis...); he didn't write his own songs, but the Beatles did, and they started turning popular music into serious art.
Don't agree. Watch and listen to Top 40 music (Sinatra, Como, Martin etc) before Elvis hit the scene. There has never been a more stark contrast in musical styles - immediately. The Beatles took the 50's style rock and tweaked it. It's more than just writing songs. It's about changing culture. That's what Elvis did. I understand his music wasn't stylistically that much different than the performers you name. However, their impact was a drop in the ocean compared to Elvis.
Yeah, but the Beatles revolutionized the (western) music itself. They altered, added to the structures of western music harmonies, they also mixed it up with non-European or medieval music patterns. And you need an educated professional musician to recognize it. For example Lennons "Jealous Guy" is based on an Indian tonal system of penta-chords (a Raga from India's North). The Beatles knot ties between popular and classical music as also they've integrated foreign tonal systems in the western harmonic music system. They weren't the only ones at their times but they've done all of this at (unbelievable) ease without focusing on an only special subject longer than even one LP-length. They've been damn fast! That's why you can't find any lasting concept of them (without Sgt. Pepper's of course, which was drafted explicitly as a concept, just to drop it completely off again with "The Beatles" (aka white Album): No Title, mostly plain music, no (white) "Cover" at all). They were bound to show the world that there exists kinds of bridges between all musical systems/styles and gave a hint of the idea that music in itself is always translatable and universal. That's why they've had also an huge impact on classical music which was kind of isolated from popular music back then because of its unique harmonic system. They expanded the possibilities for all styles of western music by breaking up the old patterns of the European harmonic system and opened new refreshing ways of combinations. So meanwhile it's also acknowledged they've had an essential impact on modern classical music. Sure, George Martin was very helpful with that pushing them beyond any limits. On the other hand he also learned from them whats possible without having the traditional bounds in your head. This was quite a prolific "marriage". (But just one of numerous prolific marriages they were into.) Their impact was more profound than obvious visible to the western culture and it still lasts.
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Arghhhh!!! Yes, Im being pedantic, but WHY do all American's say Beadles. It's not Beadles it's BeaTles!
Beetles phonetically
@@davidlloyd8374 yeah
The importance of The Beatles is underlined by those whatever...
For all the talk about sullivan being live,i sure remember a lot of lip synching bands
for the love of strange medicine
Ps its sgt pepper not sergeant pepper for ease sake just shorthand, SPLHCB. Fans will know what you mean. Yes everyone owns that album. The reviewer/liner notes writer of Miles Davis Kind Of Blue said that's a better album. Personally I like the White album or Revolver the most. I would try to be more sarcastic but you guys can't comprehend irony or kidding gestures.
Funny asking Tad Kubler if he thinks the Beatles are still relevant today, and there he is with a Beatles haircut!
Patty Boyd looks like Stevie Nicks mother! WTF
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The Name of the first Hippy=Frank Zappa /no Stones no Beatles
The Beatles were massive and blew American minds because they were Scousers. American's had just never seen Scousers before :-)
Besides you tweeters I'm playing Devils Advocate with you!
Maybe they changed the music business. It didn't last. And now it's in serious trouble. It's turned from art to entertainment and records are barely sold. MTV had more to do with the record business than the Beatles ever did.
It had much more to do with ruining it. Multimedia in general. We have virtually a new one hit wonder every 6 months that is sold to us as the next superstar. But they can't be because there's no infrastructure to support and build upon. Thank people like Beyonce and crap like that.
When The Beatles were rejected by Decca it was because "guitar music is on the way out" well they certainly reversed that didn't they.
Can't say I've ever been a Beatles' fan! This is my opinion, no need to reply to this to try and contradict me!
amazing comment
Thank You, TheSheepPimp, you are a nice person!
I just reply to tell you that no one has the right to stipulate anybody to be a Beatles fan. I like the Fab Four very much but I would never blame you for not being a Beatles fan. BTW: What music do you like?
Hi Claus! Thanks for the reply! I like Beethoven, Mussorgsky, Mahler, Holst, Ligeti, Birtwistle and Art Garfunkel. Also rock / pop stuff like The Beatles, Simon and Garfunkel, David Bowie, Pink Floyd and Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers. My 6 Favourite Albums, - The Planets - Holst, Invocation - William Lloyd Webber, Atom Heart Mother - Pink Floyd, Watermark - Art Garfunkel, Sounds of Silence - Simon and Garfunkel, Please, Please Me* - The Beatles. *In the same way as I prefer ready salted crisps to all the different flavours. With Best Wishes! Cheers - Mike.
why are you here then ?
Yawwwnn another of those American Beatles love-in’s
The Beatles wouldn’t be no one without American 50s rock which is a genre that America likes to forget about
Nothing worse than listening to people talking.
I can think of one...reading your comment!
There was no competition between the Stones and the Beatles! They were friends for the most part. Parts of Sgt Pepper are rubbish. Like Shes Leaving home a week version of Beach Boys God Only Knows! So is When im 64 Paul's Granny Muzak! The Stones first hit was I wanna Be Your Man. G Harrison got them their gig at Decca! PS The white album or Revolver is the best the beatles would ever make Much more diverse! The best Sgt Pepper tracks were left off the album Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane!
DAVID KORNBLATT Even if Sgt Pepper is not my favourite Beatles album, I don't think "When i'm 64" and "She's leaving home" are bad songs. Is curious that you call "She's leaving" a weak version of the Beach Boys "God only knows". Paul McCartney played that song with a piano for Brian Wilson (Beach Boys leader and composer) and Wilson cried and said it was amazingly beautiful. Besides that, it can't be called a "version" of God Only Knows cause the only thing those songs have in common is the fact that they are both beautiful ballads; but their melodies are completely different.
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Yes, John called When im 64 Paul's Granny song, but it was the very first song he ever wrote, when he was 14. It was before he even heard rock and roll, it was supposed to be a contrast, supposed to be nostalgic.
DAVID KORNBLATT LOLOL ur a joke.
Okay okay led zeppelin would agree with me! John Bonham said the beatles weren't particularly talented.Cream's ginger baker said the beatles couldn't really play. The kinks were more literate. I will say that if it gets self congratulating people talking about the notion of talent vs the industry I have done a good job! Now go back and listen to your Abba records.
DAVID KORNBLATT if they weren't talented why do I still listed to them today and I'm 14 let me tell you something when I listed to the Beatles idk I feel like I want to dance all day I also feel different because I live in Puerto Rico and everybody here likes reguetton which is bullshit anyways I just don't get that feeling with any other band or artist I could listen to their songs all day and never get tired of them
You're spot on the mark Kamila. If in the far distant future it happened that The Beatles and music of the 20 and 21 centuries including much of their solo work, (i.e. "Imagine" and "Tug of War") became like the classical music of today, The Beatles would assuredly be the "Bach" and "Beethoven" etc. of the day.
DAVID KORNBLATT everything Page wanted to realize in his band the Beatles had already done and then some! The Beatles were Superior songwriters, producers, and both Paul & John were better singers than Planty. They performed heavenly harmonies, as well. Paul is Bass Player Magazine's #3 greatest bass player ever - JPJ is their #21. LZ sold way less and have fewer masterpiece-level songs. They were a great rock band that are not household names. The Beatles did rock, rockabilly, psychedelica, adult contemporary, blues, Pop, gospel, r & b you name it, and had superior, meaningful lyrics. They changed the World and Music in every way JP wished he could have. Zeppelin is great but c'mon folks. I think Paul and Wings and Paul solo were better than LZ and in 71' RAM was a better album than Zep IV as one example. Paul's singing was much better than Plant's in the 70s. No one could touch PM then. Listen to live versions of Beware My Love, Soily, Maybe I'm Amazed, Lucille, Long Tall Sally, Rock Show, Bluebird, and dozens more (everything PM sang in the 70s). 5 Star albums: RAM, Band On The Run, Venus & Mars, Flaming Pie, McCartney II. Then his 4.90 rated albums Red Rose, Tug Of War, Wings At The Speed Of Sound, Flowers In The Dirt. Then his singles and B sides. Lookout
theres a lot of better instrument talented player like bonham did but look its not about how to play or sell, its all about to break the rules of it,like what beatles did...they're -@$:*"%' i cant even describe it, too good to describe actually,bonham still in his mindbox...RIP John Bonham.
Richard Orange you mention Tug Of War, a fine album. But don't forget RAM, McCartney II, Venus & Mars, Band On The Run, Flaming Pie (each are perfect albums). Also near 5 Star perfection are Red Rose Speedway, Wings At The Speed Of Sound and McCartney Uno. *Dylan and Paul Simon have said McCartney is the greatest singer-songwriter of all time and that he wrote 35 Beatles Level masterpiece ROCK & POP songs in just the 70s* (another 35 - 40 from 80s through to today)! John, George and Ringo combined wrote about 15 Beatles-Level songs in the 70s. Needless to say, but Paul could not receive higher praise than he did from Dylan and Simon. And the other giants of Music say it also: James Taylor, Stevie Wonder, Steve Miller, George Martin, Joe Cocker, Michael Jackson, Madonna, David Gilmour, Pete Townsend, Tom Jones, Mick and Keith, Marianne Faithful, Geoff Emerick, Steven Tyler, Billy Joel. Paul surpassed everyone
I think Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, The Kinks, David Bowie, The Rolling Stones, Cream and Yes had more influence
amy Lol the BLUES MASTERS
Yeah you reply a hundred years after the fact...Forget Ed Sullivan.
DAVID KORNBLATT funny that all those names came after the beatles.. beatles have the biggest influence period
DAVID KORNBLATT none of those groups that you mentioned would even agree with you
DAVID KORNBLATT you're definitely wrong.
I saw John Oates in concert a couple of years ago. He was funny, personable, and a great musician. I saw Three Dog Night in concert a year or two before that. They still had it. When these guys talk, I listen.
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