Are Internet Trolls Psychopathic? | Sadistic, Narcissistic & Antisocial Personality
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- This video answers the question: Can I describe the typical personality profile of the internet troll? This would be the typical profile and any particular person who engages in internet trolling behavior wouldn't necessarily have the different characteristics I'm going to describe in this video. What is internet trolling? It is a deliberate attempt to create conflict and distress by communicating inflammatory, provocative, and menacing comments to victims. An Internet troll is someone who is generally recognized as being antisocial and malicious.
Psychopathy and sadism both predict internet trolling behavior. Internet trolling is associated with primary, but not secondary psychopathy. Primary psychopathy is characterized by traits like being callous, manipulative, being a pathological liar, lacking in remorse, empathy, and guilt.
With secondary psychopathy we see somebody who's impulsive, irresponsible, neurotic, emotionally reactive, they tend to engage in criminal behaviors, and they are sensation-seeking.
With psychopathy, cognitive empathy again is intact and affective empathy is not. Internet trolling has an association with affective empathy and cognitive empathy. As cognitive empathy increases, we see an increase in internet trolling behavior, but only when psychopathy increases as well.
Internet trolling has an association with both direct sadism and vicarious sadism. Direct sadism is when somebody enjoys directly hurting or humiliating other people and vicarious sadism is when the enjoyment is derived from watching other people being hurt or humiliated.
Grandiose narcissism has a positive association with Internet trolling, but vulnerable narcissism does not have an association.
March, E. (2019). Psychopathy, sadism, empathy, and the motivation to cause harm: New evidence confirms malevolent nature of the Internet troll. Personality and Individual Differences, 141, 133-137.
A few years ago I read an article about internet trolls. It mentioned four key points:
1) If you argue with a troll, it wins.
2) If you insult a troll, it wins.
3) If you try to reason with a troll, it wins.
4) The ONLY thing a troll can't stand is being ignored.
no, you counter them. They will ban you or report you if they lose. This happen to me a lot in steam, if they can't win the argument they will ban you.
@@jugg9140 All points mentioned here are great. But you will never change a persons mind on the internet.
It takes real life conversations to have an intelligent conversation. That’s why I ignore them.
You are a misgendering monster, worse than any troll
@@jugg9140you’re the troll yourself
@@jugg9140true
Great application of the _”some men just want to watch the World burn”_ quote from The Dark Knight!
Great quote!
Meh, quotes like these unnecessary romanticise the boring and awkward people who engage in trolling. Don't feed their visions of grandeur.
@@vp3841 THe chinese describes trolls like people how have "white eyes" they cant really "see" what theyre doing or how stupid it make them look.
Indeed, although I will never understand the mindset to waste one’s time sowing ever more pain, sadness, and hate in a world already overflowing with such. Why anyone would choose to dedicate their life to making this world an even worse place is simply something I will never be capable of understanding. It is a sad commentary on one’s life when the world would literally be a better place if that person had simply never existed.
Very true. But that really makes me mad. They should watch themselves burn
I guess it is a kind of power rush or an ego trip to be a troll. Being online is a place that is largely free of perceived consequences.
Thank you Dr Grande 😊
Shut up idiot your wrong trolls are fueled by boredom.
@@johnnyboy2065 Is "idiot" and "your" really the best you can do? What are you, two years old? What a dissapointment.
@@johnnyboy2065 boredom or simply no life lmao at the end of the day, they're usually lowlifes .
@@johnnyboy2065 that’s even worse
ok incel
FINALLY, someone who doesn't brush trolls off and realizes that they're really crappy people who shouldn't be trusted
Wow a lightbulb just went off in my head.. no wonder the comments shake our faith in humanity at times....smh😂🤣
and there are too many of these types of people too
Humans are dangerous than Animals and AI indeed
The problem is some people like to use the word troll with those who will not go along with their rigid point of view. But on the other hand, I see this internet trolling as the same thing is going up to a kitten and lightning it on fire and laughing. Considering the personal information revealed and all. there's a fine line between constructive criticism or seeing a different way and trying to flat out bait someone. Good video once again, doc!
Thanks again Dr Grande. Trolls used to upset me and now I see them as insignificant people who go out of their way to upset people. I now see it as an internalised problem of the troll.
I’ve learned not to allow it to effect me anymore. Thanks again 🙏🏼😊
The internet troll which you may encounter could be the individual sitting next to you at the lecture hall. Trolls think they have power via anonymity.
Internet Trolling = Ideal Cowardice
@@Human1136 trolling in real life will give you misery but taking a troll seriously on the Internet it's kind of sad.. Like ignore them, they can't intimidate you like those in real life
@@syn2072 It depends on the level of trolling. There is normal trolling where the person will say dumb stuff on purpose. Those types aren't a real threat. But then you have the more psychotic trolls. The types that will try to hack into someone's RUclips channel and destroy all their videos just for the giggles, or the worst ones that try to dox people and try swatting them. Those are the dangerous ones.
@@johnpenguinthe3rd13 Your address and phone number are public info and always have been dude. If someone is swatting you and you aren't a celebrity you've probably been doing something to incite harassment using your real name or social media. Anonymity prevents doxxing and anyone willing to hunt your ass down like that is insane and there aren't many of them out there like that. For all of human history anybody could find your address because its important information for the public to know, its still the same way and for some reason people are shocked to discover that
Imma Mayor n i Troll
Some people "troll" their own videos for more interaction.
Now called Smolletting ;)
Allen absolutely brilliant comment!
I like how this nerd went out of his way not to like your comment
@@RN-gx7wt thanks for showing us all the words you know in one sentence.:)
@@allenwalker1379 😎👌
Elegant and fascinating summary, thanks so much!
There's an internet slang saying, "in it for the LOLZ", which some trolls use to express their behaviour. This sums it up for me.
"I did it for the lulz." But, yes. 👍🏼👍🏼
@@jaycliinuy4627 * Y E S*
nothing else in their life gives them any LOLZ
@@mhs4944 rofl😂😂😂
This is such an important and disturbing topic. As always, you present with such depth, clarity, and professional calm. It is a privilege to learn from you, Dr. Grande.
Sorry lady, he’s married
yo bro i love this comment its ironic internet trolls watch vids bout themselves lmao @@ugiswrong
Really enjoyed this video. Forewarned is forearmed. I'll never see trolls the same way again!
I also think normally insecure, bitter people who feel insignificant in the world feel a power when they're on the internet and all their toxic feelings project on to other people who either trigger their lack of self worth or simply are in their path to tear down with the purpose to make others who have nothing to do with them feel the way they feel all the time.
Hope you enjoy that master’s degree before your job gets replaced by an AI
@@ugiswrongnah ai is too dumb
@@ugiswrong don't talk shit about black christian queenz
you think this ain’t no lil Asian boi cosplaying some Scottish black Biggy black stuff outta New Orleans
I am irrratated that Trumpism has hyjacked my party. I guess that makes me a troll.
Fascinating. This empowers you to look at it analytically and it hurts you less. Again, thank you!
Know your enemy.
What hurts in it in the first place?
Thank you, Dr. Grande! Trolling is very hurtful, especially to those with ASD. This behaviour traumatizes vulnerable victims. 🐯
I enjoy the platform in which lay out truths, propbilities and the intent of those that are I hope being exposed to the world..we must understand abject evil...The other lessons are how what to avoid in raising our children that could possibly create a hellish persona..so there might be less of them..
Lol some of the worst trolls have ASD. Have you ever heard of Kiwifarms? It’s the biggest autist troll central. Hell, even 4chan is full of them.
@@fatuusdottore Checked it out. No evidence supporting your statement. Please provide proof. 🐯
@@fatuusdottore Okay. Found some twisted stuff about "Weaponized Autism" on 4chan. Extremely bizarre. Not at all like the people I deal with. 🐯
We call it natural selection 😈
I love your topic choices!
Very important video, Dr. Thank you, as always, for helping educate us on these very timely topics.
Yes! Coincidentally, this is a topic I've been thinking of asking about myself. I actually found myself researching the (known) psychology of trolls today.
It's all very well for those who have never known a person to be adversely affected by targeted online harassment to claim that "It's just a bit of fun" or that children especially "Should just ignore being trolled online" - but it seems to me to be one of the more insidious issues of our time. I would seriously challenge the assertion that it is "harmless" and ask those who've never experienced it to really consider how they would feel if they were taunted incessantly, no matter where they went if they were a child &/or a psychologically fragile person for whatever reason.
Not all "trolling" is "targeted harassment".
What a timely video for me. Lately I have seen an increased number of trolls- just so annoying 🤦🏻♀️
Thank for addressing this issue, I truly enjoyed the video!❤️
The internet troll is looking for a reaction, you can't take any offensive comments seriously because people can say anything they like, even if they don't really believe it themselves.
I think the internet has given people the opportunity to say things they would never say in real life. They don’t face consequences for their actions.
@@johnnyb7628 exactly most internet trolls are cowards anyway they know if they say absurdly things on the internet in real life they will have serious consequences to pay.
I notice that whenever I've dug deep enough to find out who someone is, and we're never as anonymous as we'd like to think we are, there's an illusion of anonymity but if someone has beyond just rudimentary internet skills, that anonymity goes away, and I use my real name and a real photo because I never once thought about bullying someone from the safety of a rick and morty still, and a made up super meta handle. I think I do that so when I do get death and rape threats, quite detailed ones in some cases, I can say "Well who's the real coward here, me for leaving an opinion that isn't even meant to be provocative or to cause a ripple of outrage or the person hiding behind a cartoon and a handle, so for awhile I decided to leave some comments that weren't untrue, but were more likely to anger certain people, and I went where there'd be the most Schadenfreude (enjoyment in witnessing the pain of others from the safety of an anonymous spectator's pov,) Prison documentaries seem to be popular for trolls and I noticed how much I preferred to watch them over anything else when I was in rehab, until I became friends with people who had served lengthy sentences for non violent crimes, and said how you don't even get to choose if you're in the documentary or not, because you lost all your rights, and I thought about how I'd feel with a camera in my face when I was just doing my daily chores, or sitting in my cell, and I'd feel like an animal in the zoo and I don't like zoos, they seem cruel to me, when I was little I saw kids taunting a panther and I still to this day feel anger and sadness over that panther and the same kind of sadness goes for some of the severely mentally ill prisoners I'd see on the show or the ones who'd cut themselves just to get out of solitary confinement. Truly cutting to the bone like that takes real desperation, and I feel empathy for a lot of these men, usually minorities, who are serving a sentence for things I've seen rich white kids get long term treatment at a rehab facility and an ankle monitor for, or women who desperately miss their kids, and who need rehab more than they need prison time, because all prison will do is make them smarter addicts with more connections. I got a bunch of rape threats from one individual and noticed a man with his real name and photo coming to my defense, then the troll said something disgusting, racist, and just over the top horrific, and I found more often than not, that when I'd find out their identity they were almost always women over 30 living in rural areas who had children. That was worrying, like the case where a 13 yo girl hung herself, after being catfished and taunted by the mother of a girl she had grown apart from at school. The mother truly assumed that under the guise of a cute boy her age, that she could say things I can't repeat to this girl, and I went through such a severe depressive episode when I was around that age, that I too tried in earnest and almost succeeded in committing suicide at 14 and my heart broke for that girl, every mean comment feels like the end of the world when you're that age, it felt so permanent and I was way more impulsive obviously, now if someone insults me I don't even acknowledge it unless it's full of spelling errors and is clearly written by a child, but a lot of these stay at home moms in rural areas of the US ended up being the trolls who left me the most vile comments. Go figure.
Thats wild, how did no one else comment on this in a year. Im a troll who is very conflicted atm... I have a purpose, and if I can waste evil peoples time then.... im still trying to find out why I shouldn't. but after all I am who he says I am
@@brianlash6904 because its a long-winded comment that goes nowhere
Just a thought on vulnerable narcissism on the internet: being anonymous can give a vulnerable narcissist a vehicle for expressing their sadistic fantasies? As I said I had an encounter with a very sadistic but vulnerable type individuaI, if I am so believe what he said his diagnosis was. This individual loved creating chaos and sirting back to watch it all play out but without wanting to draw attention to himself. He could keep the sadism up longer that way.
Wouldn't the internet help keep the anonymity and "safety" of not being wxposed at bay and thus being a desirable playground for vulnerable type narcissists?
Yes. I was thinking the same thing.
This is true. I've never considered the vulnerable narcissist. Thanks.
Narc here, most likely vulnerable, but lately been feeling grandiose.
Ah, yes! I normally propose my sadistic fantasies in a humorous way (cursed comments, anyone?) or I'll go onto a forum and declare how badly I want certain groups of people (like school bullies) to suffer. The former gets a laugh most of the time because of how adept I am at wording and timing, but believe me when I say there are some gruesome fantasies up in my noggin that involve hatchets, screaming, and the lamentation of loved ones.
On Point.
*YES* anonymity is a great tool for us for operate lol
What's amazing is that genuine people still seem to shine through on the internet, somehow, even with all the other crazy drama crap that goes on. I have met some amazing people here! Trolls are so destructive, (yes) and wasting their own time, (exxxactly!) And how can they possibly feel good about themselves? At the end of the day, they are pathetic.
Dr. Grande, I just can't get over how well your delivery and articulation is on all the subjects you cover. Psychology student here and I am always taking notes while watching your videos. Thanks for all the hard work you put into your channel. It really helps me in my studies.
Douglas Preston wrote an essay on the subject. He also wrote about the crimes and brutality inflicted upon Amanda Knox from internet sadists.
@Love Cats Love ; You must have confused Ms. Knox with someone else.
Amanda Knox was a victim of a lunatic prosecutor (Giuliano Mignini) who let The Monster of Florence escape for religious reasons. Mignini employed the killer (Rudy Guede) to commit burglaries for him, and blamed Knox for the crime she had no knowledge of. Mignini belongs in prison, then sent back to Hell where he came from.
The two victims still have a law suit against the evil bastards who tried to frame them for the murder.
@Love Cats Love You did not have to provide an example of what desertphile noted.
I feel like Allot of them are socially outcasted incels,who never had any attention or power in real life ,So try to come off all powerful behind a screen it’s pathetic.And really sad,I feel sorry for them to be that weird and lonely.
First of all incel has nothing to do with trolling. 2nd of all the people who would get offended by being called incel are the people who don't troll and are shy. But because they bring up ideas feminists see as offensive they often go after the "incels". That's really whats fun as a troll when you can not only cause mayhem you can blame a group who's not at fault and watch them cry as they get demonized. Good times, good times
No Diggity I’m not a feminist so literally everything you said is pretty much void,This is my point of view not yours,this is how I see it so don’t be narcissistic and tell me that it’s wrong,You have your opinion and I have mine,leave it at that bruh 🤷🏼♀️
@@animedoll1151 i didnt say you were a feminist. you just described trolls wrong
No Diggity that’s called perception tho most of them are socially outcasted weirdos ,allot are incels allot aren’t ,normal guys with something going for them don’t lower themselves to trolling,they are secure.People without anything better to do troll
@@animedoll1151 that's why you're dumb. you believe that
it's interesting . I've noticed that some RUclips channels are so accustomed to having "cheerleaders" that if you have anything contrary (but not rude or foul language) to say, that those comments seemingly get dismissed entirely. It makes these RUclipsrs seem narcissistic to have a comments section but be offended or ignore anything other than blatant admiration, praise and cheers.
I've Noticed that, too.
Some RUclips channels attract participants that are almost cult-like in their inability or unwillingness to tolerate criticism of themselves or their "leader."
This is extremely common! The cult like behavior and shunning of someone who exhibits critical thinking and who dowsnt fall prey to group think.. happens a lot
I've come by that as well. It is truly astounding. Even if you are essentially agreeing, but pointing out some detail it might be enough to trigger abusive behaviour.
@Roa trolling is always bad and serves no other purpose than to invoke hatred. So yes. Trolls are always the bad ones. If you go to an echo chamber to inflame a group, then you’re bad. The echo chamber being bad doesn’t make the troll any better
Dr. Grande thank you so much for this video. I know so many people I can share this with. I am subscribed to a few YT channels and the abuse the channel owners go through is intense. The trolls have even reached into the YTer's personal life and contacted their family or their place of employment. They create many channels just to poke fun on those they don't like. Some state that they are just viewing to see the "Train Wreck." They will tell you they are very happy people but I seriously doubt this. I've never seen so much hate than I have on YT channels. The things people say are truly shocking.
Thank you for explaning to us this phenomena, it happened to me few times, I used to feel very lonely then I went on line and discussed my aloneness with some some people who told me "Oh I feel lonely tooooo! and they went on to tell me a sad story telling me some sad tale. Than I said to the person, "lets exchange emails and befriend each other to overcome loneliness." Then they would say yes, I would write them but I would get zero replies back, they were just playing with my emotions, very sadistic. Lately however I have been meeting with a group of women near by my house and I made new acquaintances and some friends plus I have been mingling more with my old friends from old times in university, thus I dont feel lonely anymore, besides I now enjoy my solitude and I dont feel like I have to bond emotionally with trollers nor anyone on the internet. Thank you Dr Grande!
People not replying is not sadistic lol it's indifference, it's a rejection, it's painful for you. But if they don't want to respond that's up to them. It's their right to not connect with someone. They're just being honest with themselves and with you. The only thing I think is wrong with that is that they should have been upfront with you from the start instead of leading you on like that, that's just wrong and rude. But it's better late than never. Whenever something like that happens to me I just think thank goodness they didn't make me waste my time! I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who has that kind of lack of interest anyway.
@@guesswho5790 It happened several times in threads of videos and blogs discussing loneliness with different people I dont think it was simple coincidence and to purposely be indifferent it is sadistic but that is the age we live in.
Interesting, I hadn't imagined that internet trolling was a topic of research. Before the days of internet I had a cousin that got his kicks out of provoking random strangers. He always treated me extremely well, I guess because my father was his father's oldest brother but his destructive behavior helped to land him in Attica Prison. 2 years there cured him of much of his antisocial behavior and he became a relatively stable family man.
Many psychopaths can behave, they choose to do so so they can function comfortably in society and choose to not cause trouble to others, they can be very reliable and trustworthy. A psychopath can be a hero if his mood and circumstances are right. But if they start down a wrong path they tend to stay on that path until they are stopped and then they can make a conscious decision to do something else. But once they go bad, they have have to come to a full stop. Deflection and reason does not work.
Great video, important because there’s a lot of this going on in multiple areas, not just online but work/school etc.. petty attacks from people who aren’t living up to their own ideal, so they lash out at those who attempt to, or conquer themselves constantly. These people are pathetic and they know it. Or as you said some just want to watch the world burn, “completely blind” to their actions. Great vid Doc 👌✌️
Most are just toxic in a world that doesnt care about them.
BAD MOFO just because a person thinks another or others dont care about them it aint a green light to be toxic, people that do that also are giving other people the right to not care about them because them dont have any value... If a person value lies in other people eyes then they have no own value
@@ms.shineray agreed im just explaining their logic I dont condone this behavior but it is a growing trend.
Perhaps compassion will kill the majority of trolls and make them caring or at the very least decent human beings for once.
BAD MOFO maybe but if they have those traits dr.grande says they have (or can have) being kind with them is just a waste of time and energy, the best thing again troll is yes kindly trying to educate them about their comments but once they reply attacking i would just leave the chat (as people say). Sorry if my first comment sounded harsh tho i was adding to your comment
@@ms.shineray This is not about education this is about emotional response. The trickery of the troll leads to the guise but there is intelligence and calculation associated.
Deception is the tool for this hypothetical troll. One would argue there is a little troll in all of us we place barriers in this cruel world we live in as a defense mechanism.
They simply act out because of impulse to do so.
Damn. Maybe there's something wrong with the world when it doesn't care about 1/3 of the population?
Nice touch with quoting Alfred. Trolling is really odd to me, so I like that you gave your insights on the topic. Well done!
Vicarious sadism = Schadenfreude?
Schadenfreude: enjoyment of someone's suffer if thought deserved.
extreme form of, i think all forms of Schadenfreude fit, but it was ment to be a polite socially acceptable version i suspect. though i get a different experience watching women being whipped.
It’s cold supply to the ego. But, they are laughing. Until it turns around, and either they do it to themselves or someone does. The twisted personality trait almost always turn on them like a screw.
Yes, I think so.
I guess so. :) Only way thay can get any satisfaction and feel something. Sad.
Thank you,you have taught me the reason that troll energy bothers me so much.So now, I can handle their behavior better.I have more understanding of this now because of your wisdom.I am grateful to you.
Most people can't see what's obviously in front of their eyes.
"Trolling causes more people to become trolls"
"Abuse and bullying causes children to become abusers and bullies"
It's a classic case of abuse and gaslighting which causes the creation of a broken individual who imitates the 'strength' which broke them.
Everybody knows that bullies are weak and pathetic but at one point they themselves were victims of a bully. Before they themselves became a bully they were just a regular person who was suffering under the hands of this tyrannical individual until they lost all of their self love. They still have their self-respect they just lost the ability to love themselves because nobody else does in their mind.
I recommend George Takei's book, "Oh Myyyy", where he describes research showing that the Internet calls forth our "lizard brain" behaviour.
If you are going to put yourself out there in a public capacity you have to be prepared to deal with trolls.
i had a troll who literally lived and woke up every day to harass me, my friends and anyone associated with me. for years until he became fully homeless and destitute.
so, in those years i gathered a lot of data on him. his troubled background going back as far as his junior-high years. always at war with everyone around him. i realized, "his trolling is not specifically about me or anything i've done." i was just his most recent focus in a long string of victims he had harassed either online or in-person. including the stalking and threatening of women he had fixated on who did not return any interest in him.
as you stated, there was no reasoning with him. he lied about so many 'accomplishments' in his life that it would have taken 8 lifetimes to do all the things he claimed. and his 5th-grade reading/writing skills told the real truth about his claims to have several master's degrees. but to this day he still clings to this narcissistic disorder, fantasy-life where he is everything from a golden-glove boxing champ to a war-hero in special-ops and pastor of a huge church at age 17.
what i found and employed quickly was the following.
a) i did not ever bother to engage in replying to him. not in video, text, email, facebook.. nothing. no matter what horrible lies he spewed, i did not engage him or his insanity. what he wanted was to drag me into his mire. but i refused.
b) i went about my life. i enjoy the higher priorities that made for a great life, for me. if i had free time, i spent it either making money or enjoying my friends and surroundings. what i didn't do was sit around stewing over some recent slander he'd come up with. all the people who truly know me considered him a pathetic clown. rebutting him was not necessary.
over time, he had so many enemies against him and spent so much time on his hatred that his own life simply imploded due to failing to bother to earn a living. in the end, he destroyed himself wasting all his energy trying to put his boot on someone else's neck. he brought himself to ruin and yet, even as he walks to the next homeless shelter for the night, he will never admit his messed up life is his own fault.
I've been a target of internet trolling in FB groups and other forums several times.
Typically the trolls target your appearance, your personal opinion or how you feel.
They also often misinterpret things you said in a really strange way...then other abuser trolls chime in and some even say they will block you though you do not know them at all and never even contacted them- in fact some of them start contacting and harassing you via private message.
I've experienced this pretty often and witnessed it with other people being trolled.
I believe trolls just project their own faults onto others.
Why so much hatred towards trolls? We should be accepting of all people and that includes trolls. Tell a troll today that you love them and maybe give them some money and encourage them in their trolling activities. Trolls have feelings too. Make 2022 the year of the troll!
I'm surprised by how many of them truly believe they're being funny. You say they want to be entertained; they think they're entertaining others too. Why do so many people have such a malformed sense of humor?
Humor is subjective.
Witch comedian said "humor is aggression with make up on"?
It was "normal" in my family to be sarcastic and making cutting remarks . Hard to change habits... It can be a way of coping in difficult situations too. Humor can defuse aggression for example . But humor without compassion can be quite ...evil . Don't unleach your uncensored sadism just to make a joke about someone you never intend to hurt ..regardless how funny you think your joke is .😆😇
we are being funny, but what's actually funny is seeing you not think it's funny. In a lot of ways it'slike metal music. Knowing you old people don't understand makes it more meaningful
@@nodiggity4283 Metal music isn't targeting someone to hurt them. A more apt description would be someone who walked down the street and shoved a random kid into traffic. You'd probably think that's hysterical.
@@ck2d right so you're at least over 40 years old for sure trying to lecture on youth culture. got it
Most people are trolls these days. They are in fact narcissists because they will call you a troll for being serious, when they're the ones trolling. They say this to gaslight you. Horrible horrible people.
Most people? Seems like an exaggeration from my experience. Perhaps you happen to spend time on websites and channels which attract this sort of behaviour?
@@Aisatsana1971 Definitely most people. Real life, online, everywhere. And if you're a horrible person online, you can bet you're the same way in person, you will just show it less because people are a lot more scared in person. You have to pay close attention to people sometime, most people truly have bad motives anymore or are selfish. Technology could be the blame and social media, everything happens for a reason.
Btw, excellent video. I have seen quite a bit of RUclips creators quit because of trolls.
That's a real shame!!! So sad! GBU
I have seen creators that are trolls.
@@mr.vargas5648 same. And more are popping uo
@@amuroray9115 Wait what?
@@mr.vargas5648 more troll channels are popping up. Many are copying a man named Youngdeviant.
Internet trolls get off on making people believe they are more stupid then they are, they are often highly intelligent and socially isolated and alienated, I think when people go off when people snap off this man said I had a good laugh when a UofT professor went on a rant like a 16 year old boy, he said I found it funny that someone who has so many degrees would go off like that.
They also like seeing the gullibilty of people as well
I believe many trolls suffer from some kind of mental issue. There’s been trolls happy to see others commit suicide over their harassment. This is beyond abnormal
Sadism
The perception of such behavior as abnormal is a product exlusive to your society and your abrahamic derived morals. In other civilizations the desire to never do harm on to another and never see anyone suffer would easily be seen as overly "soft" and "weak". Most people are flexible to the whims of their enviorment, but for every shift there always will be stragglers left built for worlds now lost.
Though of course the lie bieng spouted here is that our society doesn't reward sadism when it clearly does. Even if such acts of sadisms are inherantly covert and justified through excessive litigation.
@@hyperboliccancers3269 yes. My society specifically is the only one who believes this kind of behavior is deranged and degenerative. Definitely none others out there think so.
Being against Harassment is also apparently something that can be traced to Abrahamic morality. I guess Atheists don’t believe in such a notion as common decency.
Sounds like the “I don’t want to be censored or cancelled” group. Those who champion this should be content with any backlash, consequences, or repercussions they incur.
@@amuroray9115
*Yes. My society specifically is the only one who believes this kind of behavior is deranged and degenerative. Definitely none others out there think so.*
Indeed. It's not even as if the society you live in validates your own view on the matter. What shortage is there of baby boomers and gen X'ers telling people to grow thicker skin while preaching the impossibility of cyberbullying due to the existance of several exit buttons and safetynets. If that's what people who grew up in relative luxury and stability completely entrenched in christian slave-morals think, what makes you believe a spartan or a scandanavian viking, or an aztec, asuming they understood the nature of your circumtance, wouldn't laugh at your face?
*Being against Harassment is also apparently something that can be traced to Abrahamic morality. I guess Atheists don’t believe in such a notion as common decency.*
Do you believe most athiest differ divergently from the culturally abrahamic societies that bread them? If so you'll have to account for the legion of christmas celebrating, easter celebrating, oversocialized, buffoons preaching the virtue of weakness and sensitivity that make up the bulk of american/western/white athetism. That entire sphere is full of people who didn't even leave the church out of natural inquary, but rather because some revelation of the chruch's curruption and evil. Even nihilism (or its premise) isn't universally accepted in those circles. Like, are you fucking high? lmao
*Sounds like the “I don’t want to be censored or cancelled” group.*
You mean emotionally stable adults?
*Those who champion this should be content with any backlash, consequences, or repercussions they incur.*
No, the one's who want to be dominated upon by a protective mother figure are those who think like yourself. Unless it's your intention to make some cretenous argument based on the premise that freedom can only result as a product of pity.
@@hyperboliccancers3269 everyone in the modern day would be seen as weak by warrior Societies like Spartans.
Is there some greater point you want to tell me? “It’s not abnormal! We’re just exercising our right to freedom of speech!” The gist.
What were you hoping to achieve here? What is it do you want from me? Do you think I’ll cancel you and throw you in jail for saying whatever you want because of “sensitivities”? Lmao
It seems you really didn’t like me calling trolls “abnormal”.
Okay. Let me agree and say it’s considered abnormal by societies with abrahamic morals. Now what?
Trolls are still freaks and lowlifes; something they should honestly enjoy being called given their position.
Im conveying that here thanks to the freedom of speech.
His conclusion is correct given his definition for internet trolling. One could argue for wider-ranged definition for what internet trolling is. Specifically as not all trolling is meant to harm or cause pain to an individual.
@J R i have only trolled or hate messaged about 3 or 4 people because i was hurt by them and i never really did get anything out of it except regret
Good question and great response. Surprised that that many young people have engaged in Trolling. I’ve learnt in a baptism of fire about trolling, catfishing and these internet bullying techniques. It always makes me think ‘why don’t they spend that time doing something productive that they enjoy?’ . Vicarious sadism ☹️. Really interesting food for thought here.
you're always so impressive! You covered something that only occurred to me in the early part of the video: that the troll has very little power to know or experience the victim's anger and/or distress, yet as we know Internet trolling is very successful. Very interesting point
How dangerous are trolls in general. What distinguishes a troll is dangerous.
Hey Dr.G; I just came across this in my recommendations and I’m so glad you did this video a year ago! It’s very informative and intelligent and helps me personally understand some of what I’ve experienced several yrs back when I had videos on a prior channel of mine that I just eventually got rid of. Was just too much at the time. You really are incredible at what you do!💜
That's certainly one way to get rid of would be trolls on your channel, doctor.
I think the majority are spoiled, bored and have too many gadgets. Call of Duty, incessant texting, personal computers with no parental guidance, and a need to seem right.
They need jobs, imo.
Thank you, Dr Grande.
Does renting count as a job?
@@ObserverOfFire It does when I'm paying. 😆
@@LaMaestra2102 make sure you have my money every month 😠.that's how i make money 😁
I have no affective empathy at all, and I am not a psychopath nor do I exhibit any signs of psychopathy. It would have been helpful for you to have mentioned autism and cognitive empathy.
In my opinion some people with low-key autism can be nasty, as well. Only I assume they don't mean any harm and are just a bit clueless, so it's different. I certainly wouldn't think they actually enjoyed hurting others.
That seams to be the thing no one talks about, but that would probably be the most helpful for ppl with autism.
That topic actually reminds me of “Christian Weston Chandler” who was an autistic blogger who endured a lot of trolling on the internet through the exploitation of his disability.
Ironically enough, he could be pretty nasty himself.
It's really interesting what you've outlined here. I have a channel that has recently increased in viewership and I'm now dealing with a larger amount of trolls. I'm trying to remind myself that their only purpose isn't understanding but rather to throw you off your game.
Calling somone a Troll for simply disagreeing has become a bigger problem than the trolls.
A master supression technique.
It's horrible. You know these trolls are narcissists because that's called gaslighting. THEY are the trolls. And typically there are more trolls then good people these days so they will all gang up on you. Once one troll sees another troll hating and slandering, they will too, they immediately become their flying monkeys.
Such an interesting and great breakdown of the internet trolls! I love how you said how they're wasting their own time. And that line from The Dark Night was brilliant!
Wonderful Show Doctor! Thank you so much!!! I wish there was a heart button, you deserve more then a "LIKE"
You can always put a ♥ emoji @Granny Doe
In what way is the trolling harmful to the troll? I thought you said that in the beginning, that trolling was destructive to both the victim and the troll.
The worst internet troll I know is going by the username "Coolest Username Forever" whose someone on the fandom site. She's from Austria and she's bullied and targeted me for three years all because I kindly disagreed with one opinion she had over a fictional character. Since then, she's spread vicious lies and slander about me, used lies, slander and manipulation to get what she wants, she's very disrespectful towards anyone whose opinions don't match her psychotic toxic world views, she even insulted and made jokes about how me, my mother live our lives, she even insulted and joked about the death of my aunt June who died of Covid a couple of years back. She's been stalking me across four to five websites and I've been trying really hard to get the staff from the fandom website to do something about her. She even runs off to staff to report someone out of spite for having an opinion that doesn't match her own. I'd like for someone to do something about this internet troll I'm talking about so that this internet troll can be stopped as she's even hired a hacker to try and hack the computer me and my mother use to possibly try and use my account on the fandom to try and get me blocked. She's even created an internet troll cult that is designed to hate me for no reason and she's even sent some of her trolls friends to troll me. She's the worst one ever. So can anyone help me?
Pure evil woman right there!
@@paulminh3525 I agree. Also, the troll I mentioned by name. Let's just say some form of payback was given and she wasn't happy about it. But we're keeping her activity monitored in case she tries anything else again.
Trolling is so bad!! My brother was on the news and some untrue things were said about him. I looked at the story online and comments by people who believed it was all true. They said a blankety blank blank person like him should not even be alive. They knew nothing of his kindness and huge heart. He ended up taking his own life at age 36. Although I don't know if he read the comments about him, why write things like that?? You never know the damage it will do.
I am sorry to hear that, we need people to stand up to nasty comments
Your brother deserved what he got julie he was a piece of # how about you stop playing the victim
Some of them are teenagers and young kids behind a computer. Some of it is downright nasty. I stand up to them and I don't let them get away with it. I don't engage in a tit for tat but I call them on what I can, I respond. And then I walk away if it just doesn't stop. I have found the nastiest people are some people you disagree with and I can see the mind games they try to play. Some people are paid to troll certain sites, groups or situations. You can see who are people who are set up to do these kinds of things. It's quiet something. Then there is ad hominem attacks when disagreeing to getting down right nasty at calling people names and giving of insults. I just don't get it or understand how people can behave so uncivil. Calling someone "stupid" or other names is no way to argue a point (I sometimes wonder if some of these are kids). It seems rather unintelligent and immature. I appreciated this.
wow the other women in the PTA group must praise you daily for standing up to internet bullies
maybe change your profile pic. it's an easy target, anne ramsey
Shuddup Stoopid!
@@nigelw7626 LOL, did she hit a nerve, wuuzu wooby woozy? LMAO!!!
Excellent subject matter. Thankyou Dr.
I had a troll on a beauty channel bring up violence when I just said I don’t like a certain makeup brand anymore. Also made statements towards another commenter and wrote up whole essays. I think when it gets to that point they should be blocked from channel. We reported her for harassment, but I highly doubt RUclips cares. I thought she must have a very dismal life and a lot of free time on her hands.
@@heavyhead2k139why are you a troll?
You are the Babe Ruth of Sociology and psychology,, all ways hitting a home run,, taken it downtown, one swing wonder,, thanks.
The best way is to block them, and not feeding them. I believe it’s a combination of several facts. If they persist it’s the best to just set the final boundary by blocking them.
How do people allow for themselves to get trolled in the first place? For the most part there is no need to engage with random strangers on the internet, and most trolling is quite obvious.
Great video. Dense with information. A lot to consider. I'll have to watch it again. Having had experience with narcissistic family members, I get the impression that trolling is positively correlated with grandiose narcissism. And, although there's no way to prove it, I think most of them are what I would call deflated narcissists, i.e. they have been so toxic in their real lives that they have literally run out of targets. Nobody who knows them in person will have anything to do with them beyond necessary superficial encounters anymore. So, they move their game to the internet. This is the only way they can get fed. They follow news outlets and high profile people who post about controversial topics and find empathetic people to play their passive aggressive gams with. Everything they post is designed to get emotional reactions from people. I've noticed that one tool they use on fb is to click the Ha Ha reaction icon under a post about something serious. Kids in Yemen are starving, Ha Ha. California is on fire again, Ha Ha. These are sick individuals who don't know they are sick. You are right about vulnerable narcs not being trolls though. The vulnerable narcs I know avoid social media altogether. It's too risky for them. They would have to reveal way too much of themselves.
Thank you, Dr. Grande! What an interesting topic. I don't remember ever trolling. That is, if trolling is what I think it is; but I can get nasty! However, now I feel humbled. 😊 Thanks, doc! 👍🌹
You're welcome :)
Aka 4chan analysis
trolls are hurt people who haven't had their piece of affection.
@aaronsdavis that is what they pretend to be. a lot of trolls are insecure narcissists, or simply people who channel the anger and negativity (which they build up due to real life circumstances) into the internet
Could you talk a little bit about online disagreements or opposing views vs trolling behaviour ?
They put you down instead of discussing the idea you've expressed.
Also they frequently follow and comment on sites who’s content they disagree with simply to cause discourse.
The difference is intent to cause chaos, intent to derail, intent to cause emotional pain in the other for personal pleasure. Otherwise, an argument is just an argument. Intentional insults can derive in momentary lack of empathy from frustration and desire to vent, but that does not equate trolling.
I believe people saying a stranger online is trolling is assuming the worst intent of someone they can't see in person to more accurately gauge. I believe calling others trolls is heavily over-used, usually misused, or perhaps even said by the actual real troll.
Avoid arguments online. We can't look people in the face/eyes or hear their voice. The sheer lack of interpersonal connection in online disputes about a touchy subject is usually a formula for disaster that should be avoided.
@@Sheskis
Getting out of your echo chamber to talk to people you disagree with is trolling? You gotta be trolling.
Bobby Geiser
I am simply making an observation based on personal experience.
There is no need for you to be rude, even if you disagree🤷♀️
I very much enjoyed Dr. Grande's explanation of the troll mindset. It's extremely useful for dealing with what amount to bedbugs for the Internet. The maladjusted personalities who practice trolling make an otherwise enjoyable learning journey on the Internet from concept to concept a test of one's endurance, distracting the attention and wasting the energy of those genuinely desiring to learn. How sad are these pathetic creatures! Thank you, Dr. Grande, for helping us armor ourselves against them with the enlightening knowledge which you've given us.😁
I have seen your comments in another thread. You are a troll yourself. 😂 You're a hypocrite.
@@cooldude8912, No, I'm not. My comments always start off with an attempt to reason logically with people. And some respond logically. I only use the troll angle with those who initiate an act of trolling toward me or someone else. How's it feel to take your own medicine, Weeper? 😢
@@NaturalFuture You don't reason logicaly with people. You don't even prove your point.
@@cooldude8912troll, my comments are available online to millions. Those who are logical accept them as logical. Those who are illogical deny their logic.
@@cooldude8912 you got a bite their lad
Thank you, Dr, for all you do and for every video!
I am not at all surprised that there is a correlation between internet "trolling" and sadism/psychopathy although I would argue that a distinction should be made between trolling and bullying/harassment which is what a lot of it really boils down to, hence putting the word in quotation marks. I find that in the parts of the internet where this sort of behavior is most common such as 4chan and discord, there are a lot of young men who have piss poor social skills but are quite intelligent. They show psychopathic traits but I find it hard to believe that it's primary psychopathy. If you dig beneath the surface, you'll find that almost all of them were bullied for being awkward/nerdy and socially outcasted. I strongly believe that upbringing led to their dearth of social skills, low agreeableness, lack of empathy, and "sadistic" behavior such as trolling, bullying, and ruthlessly mocking people for even slight imperfections. That would imply that they were shaped by their environment more than genetics which is the opposite of primary psychopaths.
Great topic. There are a lot of trolls
@aaronsdavis maybe more people are ignoring them you know "don't feed the troll"
Yesss! 😨😨😨
BUT NOT ALL OF US ARE PSYCHOPATHS
@Javier Donut gey
Life is a journey, “let it go” smd rn u object
Wow! Just wow! Another great video...and so timely considering all of the political divisiveness these days. Thank you! It would be interesting to hear your take on sycophancy. Is it the opposite of trolling, perhaps a need to be accepted and loved rather than feared? In any case, I can't wait for my next Dr. Grande notification. 🤩
Went too deep. People just think it’s fun and games.
I agree its all just fun and games. People these days are snowflakes and take things way to seriously.
@@BRAINE-FREEZE Exactly, I troll sometimes, but I have never went too far.
Trolling is ok, if something goes too far it should be categorized into cyberbulling.
@@Super000x000 I think it is timewasting... gets boring too
Thank you, Dr. Grande. That makes sense. You can't present them with facts and expect any change in their behavior. I've heard that some of them are paid, but I think they would have to have that kind of personality to begin with.
Fantastic. :) thank you
I wondered if you would cover the conspiracy theorist type personality ? I have met a few people who believe like this and they generally seem to share a few traits in common with each other.
It's a lot like paranoia. They conclude that somebody is out to get them (or to get all of us), based on scant evidence. Our brains are designed to see a threat when none exists, rather than to see no threat when one may exist. That is the safest rule. But conspiracy believers take this beyond the norm, apparently having lost the ability to ask "How likely is this?" at every point in their chain of logic. They lack the necessary balance to evaluate the evidence logically.
@@jguenther3049 very good. I agree 100 percent.
Have you discussed how a content creator/ victim of trolls can mentally deal with the daily onslaught of trolls. Would love to hear your thoughts.
You’re the best psychologist on RUclips keep up the good content 👍
This is quite interesting. Thank you for taking the time to do this! 🙌🏻♥️🙌🏻
Great video! I was waiting for this one! Love the quote 😁. Can you do one on psychopathy and logic /reasoning
Scary… folks, who often times bring their online behaviors into the real world, targeting victims.
Fascinating video. I must say, I loved the reference to the quote from The Dark Knight.
Who's more fucked in the head, people who get a laugh put of annoying others online or people who take comments from anonymous trolls seriously?
Great explanation about this topic Dr. Grande.
I also have an answer now about a question I asked you earlier today. The anger of the vulnerable narcissist is indeed internalized, like you told in this video.
I have been doing research on the Internet about narcissism and conscientiousness.
I understand that the grandiose narcissist correlates with some high level on conscientiousness, but I couldn't find about how vulnerable narcissism scores on the factor conscientiousness of the FFM.
Maybe you have an answer?
Thank you sir 😃
I’m sure that they are linked, but not all internet trolls have these, right?
One of my favorite channels right now
You described 4chan
Hi Dr. Grande, would you be able to cover the relationship between psychopathy & sadism?
Thank you. Your channel looks very useful. Please cover: gender and trolling when there's more clarity on the issue; as well as parallels and precursors to trolling (i.e. in other realms or contexts)
Very interesting video, I will have to think about that. Thank you for the video.
Depends on the troll and what they are doing.
If they are asking about the couch auction on the livestream? They are probably just harmless pranksters.
If they are sending the gruesome death photos that leaked onto the internet to their loved ones? Yeah, that's pretty sadistic and psychopathic.
Man this video could have changed my life 5 years ago. Although I doubt I had the insight to appreciate it.
One counterpoint I would make regarding narcissism specifically is that anonymity allows the vulnerable to behave with grandiosity. This would allow the narcissist to behave in a manner closer to the ideal self, which they may be unable to express outside of the internet.
I've always loved a good conversation. Especially with those who disagree. Trying to understand their reasoning and logic seeing the parts we can agree and parts we do not agree. As the end of day hopefully both participants leave that encounter with something new and a bit better version of themselves.
Now with trolls. I've engaged in discussion with few of those as well. To me it seems they are just so full of themselves that absolutely nothing can be gained. They preach this and that and if that doesn't work the absolutely childish insults starts pouring in. As a lack of a better expression it's like talking with a three year old with a temper tantrum when he is not getting what he wants. To me it's just sad. I feel somewhat sorry for such a person. What a waste of everyones time.
Ive been watching Dr Grandes videos along with countless other RUclips videos posted by other health care professionals for quite some time now. I've finally come to the realization that I suffer from ADHD, PTSD,OCD, social anxiety,manic depression, schizophrenia,split personality,narcissism,psycopathy,sociapathy, extreme paranoia, along with a host of other psyciatric disorders. Not only am I inflicted with these disorders but every single person around me and every one I come in contact with. This includes friends, family, acquaintances and strangers.
It’s not that deep..
Could you please make a video about setting boundaries with an NPD parent?
The linguistics of psychology is interesting: "seems", "general structure", "unless", flow, categories, etc. It's a very lucid form of thinking about certain aspects of our constructed and even perhaps deconstructed world.