Stan Lee himself revealed that when Marvel received the contract to make Godzilla comics, Toho didn't send them any style guides or references. So what Stan did was bring Herb Trimpe and Doug Moench to the theater to watch one of the movies (it could have been Megalon) and poor Herb worked off of what he imagined the Big G looked like. That's the reason Marvel's work is so off-model, but it's also a fascinating look at what Americans imagined Godzilla was.
"So what's Godzilla looks like..is there image or.." "oh he just a big dinosaur that can breath fire..Toho didn't us anything more than that" With that said i surprised Marvel Portrayed is anti hero instead of usual hero in 70s
Soon after half a century later, Godzilla would attack the DC Universe in Justice League vs. Godzilla vs. Kong. Making Godzilla one of the few characters who entered both the Marvel and DC Universe. 🦸♂️🦖
I am convinced that tie-in comics are a psyop, seriously, how does someone read Gigan as Borodan? It’s clear that someone is working behind the scenes to pull the strings, to fill our heads with lies and deceit. I haven’t huffed enough paint thinner to figure out who or why yet but I’ll get back to you when I do. (Thanks for the Gundam reference.)
@@genesismultiverse4896 No, Gigan's name was always meant to be Gigan, it's derived from an actor's nickname of "Nice Guy" and the Japanese word for Goose (Gan).
@@genesismultiverse4896 The character was always intended to be called Gigan, and no design exists for a non-cyborg Gigan, anything like that would just be fan-works
Behind the scenes trivia: a single comic industry editor, Bob Schreck, was working at Dark Horse when they did their Godzilla comics, then was an editor at IDW when they were seeking the license, then became the lead of American Godzilla movie licensee Legendary's own comic book line, Legendary Comics. He's a huge Godzilla fan. And the artist of the Fantastic Four comic with the Ultra Seven monster was Art Adams, who drew Godzilla comics for Dark Horse and elsewhere, again connected with Schreck and also a huge Godzilla and other monster fan.
17:00 yeah it’s sort of running joke, that the Avengers use to never show up when something big was happening outside of their own book. Probably most famously with Spider-Man maximum carnage, though to be fair there’s good chucks of history where the team was made of characters that couldn’t sell there only individual books, so what other writer was going to want to use people like the Swordsman.
One real missed opportunity with the Godzilla Marvel run is that while it's neat they created original Kaiju for him to fight, they never used their own. Marvel, especially at this time, was known for not just heroes and villains but their giant monsters too. Where's Fin Fang Foom, Devil Dinosaur, Grottuu, Orrgo, Giganto, Gorgolla, Googam, Goom?... You know actually reading these names out loud maybe it's a good idea they weren't included in the comic...
I had a collection of this run that I would read all the time as a kid. I still love it, and you’re spot on with the narration enhancing the action. I’m also surprised how much Moench understood the character and motivations.
I read all Marvel's Godzilla, in fact it was the first comic I read all the way from the beginning (a close second was Marvel's Shogun Warriors). Still have have the entire worthless series now, lol. I watched as comics like XMen shot up in value while Godzilla languished.
The Godzilla and Shogun warriors comics have gone up quite a bit in the last ten or so years. Still not worth a ton but issue one and 24 graded can fetch quite a bit
Since you are reading old comics, it is interesting to note how wordy they once were compared to modern comics. Idk if Marvel was doing their "Marvel Style" of writing during the Godzilla comics, but at one time how Marvel would write a comic was by drawing the panels first, then bringing in writers to then write the story/ dialogue using the action in panels to decide what they would write. So, theoritcally the artist drawing the moth kaiju could have intended for it to be Mothra, but the writer might have had no idea who that was and just made up a name for it on the spot. Idk if that's how it happened, but comic writing was insane back then. Also artists and writers hated the ads, because Marvel would just stick them anywhere. Which at times ruined the pacing.
I've always noticed the same thing. Older comics take much longer to get through too since their is so much more dialogue. I love how eccentric and descriptive everything was. People seemed to have a much broader vocabulary back then too
well technically each of Godzilla’s costars have their price tags, and Godzilla was pretty expensive on his own, buying his costars is pretty expensive that cause some debt
Would love to see a review like this for marvels run of Shogun Warriors, an extremely americanized take on super robots such as Combattler V based on an old 70s toyline.
Great review! I tracked down every issue years ago and loved its showa era inspired stories. I too enjoyed the shrinked Goji issues since it's a scenario that isn't common with Godzilla. The super hero cameos are definitely the highlight and I hope Goji makes a return to the marvel universe soon (Those last mutated issues where they can't mention his name aren't canon to me lol)
The two ultra Kaiju appeared in that fantastic four issue because the artist is arthur Adams who is a huge Kaiju fan and drew a ton of g comics at darkhorse
It's like rom spaceknight and marvel transformers and Godzilla is kinda like the hulk Also huh guess ultraman is also cannon to marvel well what else is new
Yeah people say japan is weird but when you read american comics they win the weird battle want proof marvel Godzilla FIGHTS COWBOYS AND SHRUNKEN DOWN AND IS IN A NINJA TURTLES DESGUISE
9:24, oh DEAAAAAAAAAR. 0_0 Now that is a rant I did not see coming. But yeah, I'm pretty sure foresight wasn't a thing by the time this came out and with now, companies wouldn't leave their proverbial comfort box and do the same thing with their beloved characters, this story with Godzilla being small is something I didn't think crossed my mind. It's pretty creative considering Godzilla's always pushing things smaller than he is. Talk about karma I must say. I can think of in another media is Transformers' Child's Play, TMNT's the incredible shrinking Turtles and MMPR's earlier episode with Trini's doll. This was way before 'Honey I shrunk the kids' made this trope popular though I could be wrong on that. If there's anything I can rant on, it's the episode of SDTopia from Zenkaiger where I wish that episode was a 2-parter and didn't involve a zord fight among other problems in Zenkaiger but that's another story. 19:27, wild time, baby. Godzilla fans are eating good. 20:26, Austin Powers is awesome. XD
I dont know if anyone said this but the reason why Spider-Man was late to deal with Godzilla was because he was busy fighting Megatron in the Marvel Transformers comics that was going on in the 80s as Spidey mentioned that Nick Fury was dealing with a giant green lizard
Oh god,this LOL! Yea I remember this as a kid,pretty sure somewhere between my birth year (1975) and my first Godzilla movie in 1979 I had an issue or two of this...mind you I was all of four and HATED this "Godzilla" It and the HB cartoon was tied heavily into the whole Ronin Warriors thing going on at the time,which was just old Go Nigai anime i.e. Mazinger Z and Getter Robo ,in a way it was my first exposure to anime,which lead me to Star Blazers in 1982
LEviathan in the X-men is meant to be a second (or third?) godzilla monster, they then kill it in the next pages and thats it. Dumb but still a homage.
Also G-Man, you didn't catch that the mutant Godzilla under Demonicus' control has a series of clones, so given that we don't actually know for certain if the Godzilla in "The Thing" is the same one from Iron Man, or another mutant clone. The one seen in Iron Man is implied to be the original Godzilla, albiet mutated, but you are correct that the wording, and the presence of the clones, gives Marvel plausible deniability for future use of the character.
Unfortunate how they never included Godzilla fighting against some of marvel’s original monsters from when before they did superhero comics, they actually did a fair lot of giant monster characters, one of which being groot, closest we got was devil dinosaur Speaking of whom, I find it incredibly suspect that when rebooting devil dinosaur they replaced moon boy, who is ape-like humanoid, with moon girl, who is black. What did marvel mean by this
I always hoped that one day Marvel and Toho would be able to work something out so that the Big G could make a return to the Marvel universe, even if it was just a one-off appearance.
Godzilla in the marvel universe would be awesome to see on screen. Let's hope Disney can finally get their act together and maybe we'll see if them and ToHo can work together... Which I highly doubt
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No mention of Marvel's character Todd Ziller aka American Kaiju? He's literally just Godzilla with a US flag slapped on.
Well i mean he is an American kaiju much like Tristar Godzilla, monsterverse’s kaiju, pacific rims kaiju and mechs, cloverfiled, and starro
@@GarryzillaI just consider him a parody character at best
Lol that's crazy, never heard of that character until now and just had to look him up
Who got the killer? The American Godzilla
@@Garryzilladid you just name some american monster for no reason?
Stan Lee himself revealed that when Marvel received the contract to make Godzilla comics, Toho didn't send them any style guides or references. So what Stan did was bring Herb Trimpe and Doug Moench to the theater to watch one of the movies (it could have been Megalon) and poor Herb worked off of what he imagined the Big G looked like. That's the reason Marvel's work is so off-model, but it's also a fascinating look at what Americans imagined Godzilla was.
Unironically glad this was one of the few times toho turns a blind eye to something
"So what's Godzilla looks like..is there image or.."
"oh he just a big dinosaur that can breath fire..Toho didn't us anything more than that"
With that said i surprised Marvel Portrayed is anti hero instead of usual hero in 70s
Soon after half a century later, Godzilla would attack the DC Universe in Justice League vs. Godzilla vs. Kong. Making Godzilla one of the few characters who entered both the Marvel and DC Universe. 🦸♂️🦖
Alongside Tarzan and Hercules.
I’m surprised Marvel will release a Godzilla omnibus this day and age. Never thought they’d do that
I am convinced that tie-in comics are a psyop, seriously, how does someone read Gigan as Borodan? It’s clear that someone is working behind the scenes to pull the strings, to fill our heads with lies and deceit.
I haven’t huffed enough paint thinner to figure out who or why yet but I’ll get back to you when I do.
(Thanks for the Gundam reference.)
Or borodan is gigan's original name before he became gigan
@@genesismultiverse4896 No, Gigan's name was always meant to be Gigan, it's derived from an actor's nickname of "Nice Guy" and the Japanese word for Goose (Gan).
@@redcometharry I meant before he became a cyborg
@@genesismultiverse4896 The character was always intended to be called Gigan, and no design exists for a non-cyborg Gigan, anything like that would just be fan-works
@@redcometharry exactly also might be a second name
Behind the scenes trivia: a single comic industry editor, Bob Schreck, was working at Dark Horse when they did their Godzilla comics, then was an editor at IDW when they were seeking the license, then became the lead of American Godzilla movie licensee Legendary's own comic book line, Legendary Comics. He's a huge Godzilla fan. And the artist of the Fantastic Four comic with the Ultra Seven monster was Art Adams, who drew Godzilla comics for Dark Horse and elsewhere, again connected with Schreck and also a huge Godzilla and other monster fan.
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17:00 yeah it’s sort of running joke, that the Avengers use to never show up when something big was happening outside of their own book. Probably most famously with Spider-Man maximum carnage,
though to be fair there’s good chucks of history where the team was made of characters that couldn’t sell there only individual books, so what other writer was going to want to use people like the Swordsman.
One real missed opportunity with the Godzilla Marvel run is that while it's neat they created original Kaiju for him to fight, they never used their own. Marvel, especially at this time, was known for not just heroes and villains but their giant monsters too. Where's Fin Fang Foom, Devil Dinosaur, Grottuu, Orrgo, Giganto, Gorgolla, Googam, Goom?... You know actually reading these names out loud maybe it's a good idea they weren't included in the comic...
I would have loved to see Marvel's monsters fight Godzilla.
At least Goji got blasted back in time to fight Devil Dinosaur
Godzilla does fight Devil Dinosaur, even teaming up with him.
I mean godzilla did fight devil dinosaur
Marvel used to do this a lot with it's licensed properties. And tied them to the Marvel Universe.
Nothing will be better then Godzilla wearing a trench coat. Fight me.
I had a collection of this run that I would read all the time as a kid. I still love it, and you’re spot on with the narration enhancing the action. I’m also surprised how much Moench understood the character and motivations.
I read all Marvel's Godzilla, in fact it was the first comic I read all the way from the beginning (a close second was Marvel's Shogun Warriors). Still have have the entire worthless series now, lol. I watched as comics like XMen shot up in value while Godzilla languished.
The Godzilla and Shogun warriors comics have gone up quite a bit in the last ten or so years. Still not worth a ton but issue one and 24 graded can fetch quite a bit
Since you are reading old comics, it is interesting to note how wordy they once were compared to modern comics. Idk if Marvel was doing their "Marvel Style" of writing during the Godzilla comics, but at one time how Marvel would write a comic was by drawing the panels first, then bringing in writers to then write the story/ dialogue using the action in panels to decide what they would write. So, theoritcally the artist drawing the moth kaiju could have intended for it to be Mothra, but the writer might have had no idea who that was and just made up a name for it on the spot. Idk if that's how it happened, but comic writing was insane back then. Also artists and writers hated the ads, because Marvel would just stick them anywhere. Which at times ruined the pacing.
"Robotman"
I've always noticed the same thing. Older comics take much longer to get through too since their is so much more dialogue. I love how eccentric and descriptive everything was. People seemed to have a much broader vocabulary back then too
@@ShinGoji1987Official One of the main reason why non english speaker would read old comic
@@unknownman5090 Oh yes or watch American films
well technically each of Godzilla’s costars have their price tags, and Godzilla was pretty expensive on his own, buying his costars is pretty expensive that cause some debt
Would love to see a review like this for marvels run of Shogun Warriors, an extremely americanized take on super robots such as Combattler V based on an old 70s toyline.
Great review! I tracked down every issue years ago and loved its showa era inspired stories. I too enjoyed the shrinked Goji issues since it's a scenario that isn't common with Godzilla. The super hero cameos are definitely the highlight and I hope Goji makes a return to the marvel universe soon (Those last mutated issues where they can't mention his name aren't canon to me lol)
The two ultra Kaiju appeared in that fantastic four issue because the artist is arthur Adams who is a huge Kaiju fan and drew a ton of g comics at darkhorse
Godzilla vs cowboys should happen again
The character Dum Dum Dugan was in Captain America The First Avenger.
Doug Moench was one of the creators of Moon Knight, and his run on that comic is also pretty good, issue 26 or 27 "hit it" is a must read.
It's like rom spaceknight and marvel transformers and Godzilla is kinda like the hulk
Also huh guess ultraman is also cannon to marvel well what else is new
Well at least read A Space Godzilla n not that Spacegodzilla.
Yeah people say japan is weird but when you read american comics they win the weird battle want proof marvel Godzilla FIGHTS COWBOYS AND SHRUNKEN DOWN AND IS IN A NINJA TURTLES DESGUISE
I just love calling Jet Jaguar “Robot Man”, it makes me giggle 😂
9:24, oh DEAAAAAAAAAR. 0_0 Now that is a rant I did not see coming.
But yeah, I'm pretty sure foresight wasn't a thing by the time this came out and with now, companies wouldn't leave their proverbial comfort box and do the same thing with their beloved characters, this story with Godzilla being small is something I didn't think crossed my mind. It's pretty creative considering Godzilla's always pushing things smaller than he is. Talk about karma I must say.
I can think of in another media is Transformers' Child's Play, TMNT's the incredible shrinking Turtles and MMPR's earlier episode with Trini's doll. This was way before 'Honey I shrunk the kids' made this trope popular though I could be wrong on that.
If there's anything I can rant on, it's the episode of SDTopia from Zenkaiger where I wish that episode was a 2-parter and didn't involve a zord fight among other problems in Zenkaiger but that's another story.
19:27, wild time, baby. Godzilla fans are eating good.
20:26, Austin Powers is awesome. XD
Damn good review! Got lost waaay back on godzilla comics !❤😂🦎
Marvel has a pretty strong kaiju roster and a dude that hunts them I wish Godzilla fought him
Same.
This is a good video. But I think you should've waited till Marvel released the omnibus for the 70s Godzilla comics later this year.
I should've also mentioned that Marvel would go on to actually do an Ultraman series. Kicking myself over a lot of missed opportunities.
I dont know if anyone said this but the reason why Spider-Man was late to deal with Godzilla was because he was busy fighting Megatron in the Marvel Transformers comics that was going on in the 80s as Spidey mentioned that Nick Fury was dealing with a giant green lizard
Hold on to that “what the fuck is that?” sample!
Plenty of weird stuff going on in 1970s Bronze Age Marvel comics. Godzilla was not unique in the weirdness department.
Oh god,this LOL! Yea I remember this as a kid,pretty sure somewhere between my birth year (1975) and my first Godzilla movie in 1979 I had an issue or two of this...mind you I was all of four and HATED this "Godzilla"
It and the HB cartoon was tied heavily into the whole Ronin Warriors thing going on at the time,which was just old Go Nigai anime i.e. Mazinger Z and Getter Robo ,in a way it was my first exposure to anime,which lead me to Star Blazers in 1982
LEviathan in the X-men is meant to be a second (or third?) godzilla monster, they then kill it in the next pages and thats it. Dumb but still a homage.
This comic in the seventies gave a little a badly abused boy(me) joy! I will forever gratteful for this run of Godzilla by Marvel! ❤
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What is bro eating that is big enough to have that much blood coming out his whole mouth??
Mebius retrospective next please!!!😢
Godzilla Hell was really good
Really?! No mention of the cowboys who tried to take on Godzilla during the Marvel run???
I use panels from it and if I tried to cover everything that happened the video would feel padded.
The gorgo and konga comics from Charlton were nuts too! Written and drawn by the co creator of Spider-Man Steve ditko
Agreed, the Gorgo and Konga comics are pretty decent.
Also G-Man, you didn't catch that the mutant Godzilla under Demonicus' control has a series of clones, so given that we don't actually know for certain if the Godzilla in "The Thing" is the same one from Iron Man, or another mutant clone. The one seen in Iron Man is implied to be the original Godzilla, albiet mutated, but you are correct that the wording, and the presence of the clones, gives Marvel plausible deniability for future use of the character.
Wait they're still discovering Godzilla manga? How does that happen?
Unfortunate how they never included Godzilla fighting against some of marvel’s original monsters from when before they did superhero comics, they actually did a fair lot of giant monster characters, one of which being groot, closest we got was devil dinosaur
Speaking of whom, I find it incredibly suspect that when rebooting devil dinosaur they replaced moon boy, who is ape-like humanoid, with moon girl, who is black.
What did marvel mean by this
I always hoped that one day Marvel and Toho would be able to work something out so that the Big G could make a return to the Marvel universe, even if it was just a one-off appearance.
So MCU x Monsterverse collab when?
I'm not sure, but a Marvel AU where Godzilla and the Transformers were still around could be cool...
It’s worth noting Marvel had earlier giant lizards in its pre-hero days. Look up Droom and Fin Fang Foom for example
About the part where people dont believe godzilla exist in-universe, I think it like those flst earther in short.
Pretty nice coverage of the Marvel Godzilla run
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Godzilla in the marvel universe would be awesome to see on screen. Let's hope Disney can finally get their act together and maybe we'll see if them and ToHo can work together... Which I highly doubt
I have an entire run of that Marvel Godzilla that i need to read now! There are some gems like the #12 that was in Halloween 2
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