How much should you charge? Hourly rates if you're self employed!

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  • Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
  • Not sure how much you should charge? When you're first setting up in business as self employed, one of the first things to get right is knowing how much you should charge. Today we're discussing hourly rates in the UK and giving you some self employed small business tips to ensure you're charging enough. As per usual, this is all just my humble opinion but all too often I see folk setting up in business and going bust very quickly since they haven't anticipated the true running costs of even the smallest of businesses. There's an awful lot of folk out there not charging anywhere near enough for their time - hopefully this video will help.
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Комментарии • 172

  • @SmallBusinessToolbox
    @SmallBusinessToolbox  3 года назад +2

    Hey everyone! You can now become a member of the Small Business Toolbox and support the channel directly. You get access to this hourly rates spreadsheet and loads more spreadsheet templates. A small investment for your growing business. Join here: smallbusinesstoolbox.uk/member/ 👍

  • @keefykeef
    @keefykeef 5 лет назад +25

    McDonalds are seeing a huge surge of job applications since your video went live 😂

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад +3

      Lol - if only they had an affiliates scheme... 😂😂

    • @gzcwnk
      @gzcwnk 4 года назад +1

      awful food.....

    • @timhancock6626
      @timhancock6626 4 года назад +1

      @@gzcwnk MacDonalds....the classic failed business that sells awful food😂

  • @garyprendergast7355
    @garyprendergast7355 5 лет назад

    Great video. Very easy to understand. Haven’t seen it laid out so simple and well before👍.

  • @jamesmcgovern6031
    @jamesmcgovern6031 3 года назад

    Wow, this was a real eye opener. Thank you for the video

  • @AllenHart999
    @AllenHart999 3 года назад +2

    Watched this a few times now and also added into my own youtube video. Very very good video. Thanks so much.

  • @hansdegroot8549
    @hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

    Very interesting video. An eye-opener to many people. To both self employed people as well as their customers.

  • @craftyhandyman9757
    @craftyhandyman9757 5 лет назад +17

    I don't charge by the hour but quote the job completely and figure in $110/hour. I never tell the customer I charge by the hour but rather quote a fixed price

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад +4

      Yup - same here. Defo the best approach to avoid arguments over "Oh, you finished early... where's my discount?". I almost always quote on a fixed price. 👍

  • @mozu517
    @mozu517 3 года назад

    Excellent! I've never seen it spelled out so clearly for the layperson. Thank you!

  • @edgarteniuch8997
    @edgarteniuch8997 5 лет назад

    Great Video. Thanks
    I am working in Scotland and I started my Handyman Business and see how it’s work. Can’t change hourly rate dipped of the work but Normally change for tipe of work.
    Thanks for your Video, watch them most of them.Doing great job!

  • @TamirsCollection
    @TamirsCollection Год назад

    Best video I could find before making a huge decision! Thank you so much for this demonstration and time!!!!

  • @peterbridge2081
    @peterbridge2081 3 года назад

    Inspirational video. Thanks for this...

  • @iwonaciuchta4732
    @iwonaciuchta4732 3 года назад

    Amazing help! Thank you so much for this tutorial!

    • @williamsfisher5464
      @williamsfisher5464 3 года назад

      Do you know you can earn a lot from trading forex, binary and investing in bitcoin... If you want to know how to get started email Mark at Jefferymark704@gmail. Com.
      Remember time is money

  • @jasonprice9274
    @jasonprice9274 3 года назад

    Brilliant video!

  • @tomlittle1125
    @tomlittle1125 3 года назад +1

    Great Video, I wish I'd had this sort of insight when I started out on my own in 2005. One thing you didn't incorporate into your spreadsheet is Pension and this will be a huge part of your monthly outgoings.

  • @sgist7824
    @sgist7824 2 года назад

    Brilliant video thank you

  • @paulmorris3613
    @paulmorris3613 5 лет назад +1

    Thank you I found that very informative. Made me take a set and think,

  • @christopherkennedy314
    @christopherkennedy314 5 лет назад +2

    These vids are so good m8 THANKYOU! im finally getting closer to hanging up my keys to my digger and getting growing my business off the ground. Your vids are so good to learn from and I really appeciate what you are doing here. #MakeTradesGreatAgain!😄

  • @dannymaloney6300
    @dannymaloney6300 5 лет назад

    A big thanks for sharing your knowledge with us a great video explaining the basis of running a small business. As someone ready to take the plunge your advice is very important to know. Without working within the trade pricing is a mind field enjoying the video,s looking forward to some more

  • @RoadRunnerMeep
    @RoadRunnerMeep 3 года назад

    Great video to watch. Had several thoughts on different things myself, and I use calculators like this in most things. It's surprising the things you forget and these help give an accurate picture. I always tend to over estimate the predicted work rate at 50%

  • @ajrayment
    @ajrayment 3 года назад

    Thanks for your help and videos on all diy etc very helpful keep up the good videos👍🏻 and pricing

  • @MonsoirBen
    @MonsoirBen Год назад +1

    I’d quite like to see an updated version with 2022/2023 costs! Materials, fuel, gas, electric, food etc….. I don’t think there’s 1 thing that hasn’t increased! Great spreadsheet and like you say spreading this awareness through the construction community and clients/customers would be a real bonus for all the genuine tradespeople out there.

    • @protectiongeek
      @protectiongeek Год назад +1

      The fuel and energy costs would be a horror show all on their own! The UK economy is in dire straits where, if you charge a reasonable price to cover your costs and make a modest profit, you've almost immediately priced yourself out of the market!

  • @animationcreations42
    @animationcreations42 5 лет назад +4

    Very fascinating video, combining two of my favourite things, Excel and Business. I would happily spend all day playing in Excel 😂😂😂

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад

      Ha ha - defo, Excel is one of the most valuable business tools out there. 👍

  • @carlosphilosopher3059
    @carlosphilosopher3059 2 года назад

    Hey your vedios are so educative.... i find them intresting.... 👍

  • @66journeyman
    @66journeyman 5 лет назад +1

    There is some good information there Andy that will benefit many people. I’ve been in business many years and have established a good client base, but if your starting out or want to expand, then drumming up new contacts is key! Without regular work, you have no business.
    Would be good to hear your thoughts on advertising, websites etc, maybe a future video?

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад

      Cheers Wayne! Web sites is a key one and something I'll be covering. 👍

  • @JWS1968
    @JWS1968 5 лет назад

    Whats really great about this tutorial is that it gives you a rule of thumb way of estimating for a service. I'm talking about being self employed as a decorator or plumber or builder etc. You need a consistent way of working so that you have a consistent way of knowing how long a typical job might take and then when you know that you can estimate a job easily. For example if I put in a bathroom suite for a customer I look at what's coming out and what's going in and where? So a standard bathroom suite is 'bath, sink unit and a toilet' a job like this which has no re-modeling, in other words the bath sink and toilet are going in 'like for like'. I can do that in four hours using existing pipework and replacing only the tap connectors and waste pipes. Using this tutorials method of valuing my time and charging £40 an hour a bathroom suite installation should be charged at £160 and take 4-5 hours. Likewise if you are a customer and are looking to find a reputable plumber to put in your bathroom suite and they're are not charging £40 an hour then it is reasonable to assume they're not fully legit, that's not to say they're a cowboy but they might not be insured or might not be 'as' experienced. So good tutorial for all involved whether your in business or a customer looking for a service and wanting an idea of what you should be getting charged. Thanks.

  • @paulstannett465
    @paulstannett465 3 года назад

    Great insight there - don't forget you may wish to run a car, as well as a work van. The spreadsheet seems to cover personal car maintenance and breakdown cover but not purchase/depreciation of that personal car. £200/month or whatever. 👍

    • @brittanyshoup1374
      @brittanyshoup1374 3 года назад

      You can try RapidBooks. I think it can meet your needs. Really easy to use and free

  • @ShoppingwithRina
    @ShoppingwithRina 2 года назад

    Ur always helpful

  • @jimblack2331
    @jimblack2331 5 лет назад +1

    Wow! Well that brings it home quite a bit Andy!
    I'm just starting out doing paid work and am well undercharging!
    I think a lot off this comes from confidence in your own work and under valuing yourself.
    Brilliant video buddy - now off to patreon. 👍

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад

      Cheers Jim! Yes, it's not until you put it all down on paper you realise exactly how much you really need to make. Do a good job and the rest will come with time. 👍

  • @martinbracken9808
    @martinbracken9808 5 лет назад +19

    Great video I think the problem with the trades is we charge way too little compared to our colleges in the US.I charge £30 an hour sand I’m finding it hard to keep my head above water.Problem is there are lots of other tradesmen that charge 15 to 20 an hour and it really f..k. Everyone else up.Then clients think everything should be done for 10 to 15 an hour.anyway nuff said love watching your handymen channel to keep up the good work 👍👍👍

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад +3

      Yup - £30 is absolute bare minimum for me just to break even. The ones charging £15-20 will be out of business before they know it - just need to spread awareness that there's no need to charge so little. It doesn't do anyone any favours. 👍

    • @JWS1968
      @JWS1968 5 лет назад +1

      The other 'Trade' killer is people 'jobing'. That's people that aren't actually self-employed and are also claiming benefits or living with a partner who is claiming benefits. They don't have a mortgage or full council tax etc... Other stuff like free medical and dentist, all of that stacks up against you, paying it all yourself. For the record I'm not having a go at people that genuinely need benefits. But benefit fraud doesn't just take away from the tax man it facilitates an unfair advantage in the market place between those competing for business. Just my two penneth.

  • @andrewgibbs1672
    @andrewgibbs1672 Год назад +1

    Just a couple of points I can add, and that might be helpful to some viewers:
    1) It's very important to take into account the very considerable risks associated with running your own business. All sorts of nasties can happen that permanent employees don't really have to worry about: market downturns; bad debt; long term sickness; etc. Therefore you don't just want to be as well off as you would be as a permanent employee. You want some extra as a 'cushion' against that risk. By all means use this great spreadsheet and, having played with the numbers and arrived at an hourly rate that just puts you 'in the green', add on another 20% to that hourly rate as the cushion. That way, you'll have some money for a rainy day.
    2) A rule of thumb for consultants and many other service industries is to charge 3x the hourly rate that you'd fetch as a full-time perm employee. As an example, let's say you're 'worth' £40K annual salary as a permie (including bonus if applicable, but don't include employer pension contributions or other perks provided by an employer such as life insurance, private healthcare etc). Then, calculate your hourly rate as a permie by dividing that annual £40,000 by 2,000 hours (this being the typical paid hours for a full-time permie). This then works out at £40,000 / 2,000 = £20 / hour. Then, multiply by 3 and you end up with £60 / hour as the suggested charge out rate. If you want to charge by the day, then just assume 8 hours work time so you end up with £60 x 8 = £480 / day. Too simple? Try it.

    • @protectiongeek
      @protectiongeek Год назад

      Sorry, late to the party here a bit. Found this video as Andy referred to it in one of his recent videos about his house extension build (Feb 2023). That is an interesting rule of thumb and, having sketched out a business plan for being self-employed after taking early retirement, the 3x factor seems to be about right for me too. The sector I would potentially work in does have some seriously expensive business costs like professional indemnity insurance (not that PII is that uncommon - I wonder how many people take a chance and work without it!).

  • @dummydummy644
    @dummydummy644 3 года назад +2

    Good video
    One think uk small businesses
    8 hours work ?!
    Yes it can be 8 hours physically work but I would say at least 4 hours a day will spend on email chat call phone
    And tell you go to bed your mind is busy with your business so I would say at least 13 hours work
    From this 13 hour If you Lucky you will get pay 3 hours max so now think about it because There is you get everyday jobs
    I think self-employed is one of the hard in the uk
    Reason too much expenses
    Yes that calculation is so right !

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  3 года назад +1

      Yup - exactly. A lot of folk forget about all the work they're doing from home, on weekends, evenings etc. All needs taken in to account. 👍

  • @sharon5474
    @sharon5474 3 года назад

    This video should have a lot more than 532 views. It should be watched every person in the world thinking about going into business for themselves.

  • @neilfoster4916
    @neilfoster4916 3 года назад

    Great videos Andy. I am thinking of starting my own business as a Gas Engineer and I have found them very informative. Should pension contributions not be included on this spread sheet.

  • @chriscim2462
    @chriscim2462 3 года назад +1

    All very good , an interesting breakdown and I’m in total agreement all trades need to be on higher salaries from personal experience People just won’t pay over 240 a day there’s always somebody who will work for less in my area , then I find myself jobless

  • @hansdegroot8549
    @hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

    I came to your channel thanks to the interview with Keith Brown. I did not know about the existence of this channel till know.
    You launched it in summer when I was very busy. I'm sure you referred to this channel in one of your Gosworth Handyman videos.

    • @williamsfisher5464
      @williamsfisher5464 3 года назад

      Where are you from?

    • @hansdegroot8549
      @hansdegroot8549 3 года назад

      @@williamsfisher5464 I live in Slovakia (former Czechoslovakia), Europe, since 1990. But I was born in the Netherlands.

    • @williamsfisher5464
      @williamsfisher5464 3 года назад

      @@hansdegroot8549 okay Groot am from Pennsylvania but currently in New York

    • @williamsfisher5464
      @williamsfisher5464 3 года назад

      @@hansdegroot8549 how long have you been trading?

    • @hansdegroot8549
      @hansdegroot8549 3 года назад

      @@williamsfisher5464 I'm not really a trader. I offer services to people. I teach, translate, rent our cottage to tourist, etc. But I'm self-employed for about thirty years now.

  • @ELL107JB
    @ELL107JB 2 года назад

    Great spreadsheet. Signed up as a member today. I've been sub contracting as an Electrician but offered to go on the books. However I'd be using my own vehicle/fuel + running costs & tools. I doubt it's worth the extra £2/hour offered. Would there be a way to calculate how much "better/worse off" I'd be?

  • @troweltalk2719
    @troweltalk2719 4 года назад

    Really good video mate though you forgot to include profit! used to reinvest back into the business for growth such as marketing campaigns / hiring an apprentice or investing in new equipment & retirement savings

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  4 года назад +1

      My example covers marketing, equipment costs etc. 👍

    • @troweltalk2719
      @troweltalk2719 4 года назад

      @@SmallBusinessToolbox brilliant video either way gives an accurate insight into the true costs of running a small home improvement / tradesmen business I could have done with this guidance 10 years ago when I started my plastering business instead I had to learn these lessons the hard way!

  • @phill2holdd248
    @phill2holdd248 4 года назад +1

    A good video , The self employed should never think its taboo to talk hourly rate amongst trades..(As long as its not Friday Afternoon pub talk) This would help to go towards setting National rates.
    Buying or leasing a Van takes a big chunk of money ,I have been lucky in the past and made a £3000 van last 5 years, A Tradesman just starting out takes out a Lease for a Brand new Ford Rangers just put his business on the back foot for the nest 4 years by £20,000+ and not many self employed relay sit down a do the figures,
    Phil ,Self employed 35 years,

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  4 года назад

      Wise words Phil! Yes, I see it time and time again - a fleet of swanky brand new vans and wondering why they're not making any money. Stay safe! 👍😀

  • @kelseysmithfurniture
    @kelseysmithfurniture Год назад

    The tool is excellent, thanks but I think the spreadsheet should include Corporation Tax as an outgoing. Corp tax is 20% of all profits for ltd companies and Sole traders I think.

  • @davejones4740
    @davejones4740 4 года назад +5

    I charge £65 as a plumber as I need to. I undercharged for years, making nothing. Every-tradesman needs to charge this as a minimum as you don't work 365 day a year, prob 180 in reality. Remember 30k is the average.

  • @mattleeth8435
    @mattleeth8435 2 месяца назад

    thank you ! just what I was looking for. I'm certain my rate is too low.

  • @Bangzy27
    @Bangzy27 3 года назад +3

    The 8 dislike must be from the customer’s that’s been forward this video

  • @bentyreman5769
    @bentyreman5769 4 года назад +3

    I have a friend who charges less than £10 an hour for teaching piano! I think it's time to show him this video, cheers.

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  4 года назад

      Yes, that's very, very cheap and you could never make a living from that. Fine as extra pocket money but it means they're significantly undercutting people who do rely on it as an income. Show them this: www.ism.org/advice/private-music-tuition-fees-our-survey-results-2018 😀

    • @mozu517
      @mozu517 3 года назад

      @@SmallBusinessToolbox Exactly on point; undercutting your colleagues. Also, if you start out too low, how are your customers going to feel when you have to raise your rates?

  • @LaineyDocherty
    @LaineyDocherty 2 года назад

    Great video - very informative! Would like to download the excel sheet but the link takes you to becoming a member and the £3.50 a month thingy... Can you post a link for the $1 sheet? This sounds like I'm not prepared to pay more than $1 which isn't true - i just don't want to sign up for a monthly fee! Many thanks again for a well executed video!

  • @poyoucheung6726
    @poyoucheung6726 3 года назад

    Hello Andy, I have got some problem with my P60, is it possible to talk about P60 and how to calculate PAYE or NI?

  • @hecciethump
    @hecciethump 5 лет назад

    Great tool for working out your rates. Thanks for this Andy. Massive thumbs-up.
    I subbed and downloaded and noticed one point on the spreadsheet that I think needs amending. I have a Forces pension income and when I added it into the Additional Income box it adds it to the total required income rather than reduces it. Putting the figure in as a negative works as expected.

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад

      The 'additional income' box is additional desired income - so if you wanted to make a random extra £5k per year that's where you'd put it. Well spotted though - it's really badly worded by me so will sort on the next release. 👊👍

  • @ShoppingwithRina
    @ShoppingwithRina 2 года назад

    Ur very helpful to me

  • @AllenHart999
    @AllenHart999 4 года назад

    This video is really really good, I am going to include it in one of my videos with a link here if that's ok? I also run some facebook groups and I will share it on them. Thanks.

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  4 года назад

      Hi Allen - cheers for the comments bud! Yes, go for it! Obviously don't copy the actual vid and re-upload it - I don't think that's what you mean though. 😂👍

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999 4 года назад +1

      Small Business Toolbox maybe just a snap shot mention it and tell people to check it out?

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999 4 года назад

      @@SmallBusinessToolbox I have included it in this video, Please check that you are ok with that. Thanks. ruclips.net/video/sx538iI6rys/видео.html

  • @freddiekustaa2633
    @freddiekustaa2633 3 года назад

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  • @makanji1
    @makanji1 3 года назад

    Free....Free at last!!!! Redemption....Thank you

  • @andcrom723
    @andcrom723 Год назад

    Hi great video although outdated now. How much will rates have gone up since this video? Cheers

  • @rivergate
    @rivergate 5 лет назад

    This should be required viewing. For everyone.

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад +1

      Cheers Andrew! A lot less people might go out of business... hopefully! 👍

  • @Parafinn1970
    @Parafinn1970 5 лет назад

    Excellent work - I personally think you underestimated a few things there
    I've heard handymen like a beer a on a Friday!
    ;-)

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад

      Ha ha - I'm off the beer! 🍻😀

    • @terryroberts8143
      @terryroberts8143 5 лет назад +1

      Don't forget down in London £10 per day congestion charge and that doubles April 2019 to £20 24/7/365 every day if you work there that is.please don't leave any substantial ropes around

  • @andrewfrost8866
    @andrewfrost8866 3 года назад

    Very realistic considerations often not considered.

  • @TheDickPuller
    @TheDickPuller 4 года назад

    Good video, but the business Overheads are grossly underestimated.

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  4 года назад +1

      Oh, totally. I was being quite optimistic. 👍

    • @TheDickPuller
      @TheDickPuller 4 года назад

      Small Business Toolbox a good Yard Stick, calculate all the Overheads you can think of & double it, that’ll be nearer the total👍

  • @stectom
    @stectom Год назад

    it seems to make more sense to charge per project, not per hour.

  • @Mattycund
    @Mattycund 4 года назад

    Hi cant find the link to that spreadsheet. Where can i purchase it so i can do all the fiqures for my own business. Thankyou.

  • @EvanSuper
    @EvanSuper 3 года назад

    Have you used an Invoice Manager called RapidBooks? Many people recommend this app to me, it’s free. Do you have any suggestions?

  • @GodIzDaLight
    @GodIzDaLight 5 лет назад

    What would be really great for a video is if you could cover how self employment and submitting tax returns works when you are also employed full time? E.g. work full time at company X as a software developer but also want to do some freelance work. How does that work when you are effectively, employed and self employed?

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад +1

      It's *generally* pretty simple. Just add the 'employment' section on tax return and add figures from P60. It will work out the rest. 👍

    • @williamsfisher5464
      @williamsfisher5464 3 года назад

      Do you know you can earn a lot from trading forex, binary and investing in bitcoin... If you want to know how to get started email Mark at Jefferymark704@gmail. Com.
      Remember time is money

  • @MelbourneAlan
    @MelbourneAlan 5 лет назад +8

    great viddeo andy. although its a bit depressing. your figures are pritty low really. no safety gear ot training, no vehicle servicing, tyres, mot etccomputer, stationary costs, loan costs to buy the van, phone itself every year or 2 when it breaks, tool running costs and consumables like blades etc, internet costs, office space in your house costs, clothing , workwear and probably the most important . PROFIT there are probably loads more

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад +3

      Great points! A lot of these were bundled in with other costs but I've separated them out a bit for the next release. Cheers Alan! 👍

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      @matthewclarkin8467 3 года назад

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    • @ninamartin1084
      @ninamartin1084 Год назад

      Office space in your house is actually something you can write off against your income tax

  • @robinainsworth2963
    @robinainsworth2963 4 года назад +1

    What about training courses and safety clothing ppe. Bank charges. Tool repairs & maintenance, it's endless.

  • @sean.adventure
    @sean.adventure 3 года назад

    Hi Mate, I’ve just gone to try this spreadsheet for myself I’ve become a member but my laptop will not open the download? Is there a specific application I need installing to open it?

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  2 года назад

      Hi - it's in Excel format but you should also be able to open it with the likes of LibreOffice Calc. 👍

  • @GeorgeAusters
    @GeorgeAusters 3 года назад

    You can definitely see why car garages need to charge such high prices per hour

  • @desireedjanie
    @desireedjanie 5 лет назад

    Hi Andy, great video, is there any chance you could highlight where benefits such as child tax credits and working tax credit should be placed on this worksheet please. I’m a single mother and I understand I maybe eligible for some of these benefits whilst self employed. Thank you

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад

      Hi - you're best just giving Tax Credits a ring and they'll talk you through what might be available for you. Defo worth checking out! There's various calculators for this sort of stuff online. 👍

    • @desireedjanie
      @desireedjanie 5 лет назад

      Thank you

  • @paulyflyer8154
    @paulyflyer8154 4 года назад +1

    Ive been self employed for 10 years after my 3rd redundancy from banks I'd had enough. Whilst people think that I'm "my own boss", it's not true, as I've simply swapped the bank as a boss to my clients. I now have 250 bosses instead of just 1 line manager boss. Also, my holidays I take are a joke because you can't win. If I'm quiet I can't afford to take holidays as I need to look for business. If I'm busy, then I haven't time for holidays and I want to make hay while the sun shines. The only way holidays happen is if I book and pay well in advance. It's nice not to have to work precisely exact hours, but being "your own boss" is not true (at least for those of us who HAVE to earn a living and are reasonably successful).

    • @mozu517
      @mozu517 3 года назад

      Exactly: "You're gonna serve somebody."

  • @Parkhead_workshop
    @Parkhead_workshop 5 лет назад

    might want to rephrase that Personal Outgoings (Luxuries) bit to say "Netflix/Spotify/Patreons" :p

  • @neilharding1
    @neilharding1 4 года назад +1

    On a slightly different idea I have noticed that thanks mainly to the complete lack of hands on skills or even theoretical knowledge for these jobs by the general public now, they're not willing to buy an older property and get the trades in to fix it which will be cheaper and in my opinion you get a better property, however they will pay for an overpriced new build which in theory needs no work, but I know this to be far from the truth, and will mortgage themselves to the eyeballs to finance it. The big point being is that the big companies get the work building, whilst older properties are left to run to ruin and not provide employment for the smaller outfits.

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  4 года назад +1

      Think it varies a lot by area - where I am the new builds are *way* cheaper than the older houses. But yeah, there's no getting away from the house builders' control over the market and their ability to just 'stop building' when they want house prices to increase. 👍

  • @robertkennedy-trainor1086
    @robertkennedy-trainor1086 Год назад

    I can't access the spreadsheet after paying for membership....

  • @BRENT3143945
    @BRENT3143945 3 года назад

    I always charge travel but I have a mobile business.

  • @desireedjanie
    @desireedjanie 5 лет назад

    Hi, I’ve joined patreon but I’m struggling with this spreadsheet and I’ve not been able to use it at all. Please can you tell me if this is editable, if so how and on what device. Thank you

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад

      Thank you Desiree! It should just work on pretty much any version of Excel - you normally have to click the 'Enable editing' button. 👍

  • @John-ds7li
    @John-ds7li 5 лет назад

    Would some of the running costs not be tax deductible? I agree with the £30per hour minimum . Shame customers are just always looking for the cheapest .

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад

      Tax deductible - yes. That's taken in to account on the spreadsheet. You're just paying tax on the profit. 👍

  • @frankiesalmon7545
    @frankiesalmon7545 5 лет назад

    Hi Andy. Just signed up on Patreon to download the spreadsheet but I’m just getting #VALUE! error on the fields. Any ideas?

  • @EdenAudio
    @EdenAudio 4 года назад

    But you've forgot the worker at McDonalds expenses (unless I missed it) from their £14, 646 they've also got to buy a car to get to work, insure the car, put petrol in the car, so they also are looking at minus £3000 odd from that 14K.

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  4 года назад

      Travel to / from your regular place of work isn't an allowable business expense. So in a similar way if you're self employed you can't claim for travel from home to your office. The fact that the McDonalds worker chooses to use a car to get to work is irrelevant. 👍

    • @EdenAudio
      @EdenAudio 4 года назад +2

      @@SmallBusinessToolbox Just to add a little bit more, I've been self employed since I was 17, now 50, I had to work 6 days a week 11 hours a day 90% of that time. I've had about 3 weeks holidays in 40 years, would I do it again? No way, give me working in McDonalds any day of the week, no stress, fixed wage per month, holiday time, Loverly!! There are some perks being self employed, but not many.

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  4 года назад

      The big problem I see is that self employed wages haven't kept up with increases in corporate wages (due to min wage etc.) and the modern cost of living (due to house prices, rental costs, extortionate council tax etc.). I'm still seeing fully qualified sparkies going out charging only £20/hr. They can't run a business like that but it brings things down for everyone else. It's hard - best of luck! McDonalds would be a laugh for a couple of weeks but it would quickly get VERY boring. 👊😀

    • @EdenAudio
      @EdenAudio 4 года назад

      @@SmallBusinessToolbox My problem actually was ( I worked in Spain for 30 years) illegal workers, the black market, and retired people doing jobs on the side, most customers didn't care if you were legal, paying taxes or not, all they cared about was the cheapest price, it was a cut throat market, it took me years and years to earn a decent wage, plus when I started out I was a teenager and no one takes you seriously at those kind of ages. I didn't start getting respect till I was about 40. Now I'm back in the UK I'm carrying on with my business which is still cut throat, but also do a couple of hours a week helping my Mrs in her cleaning jobs and it's great working for someone else for a change.

  • @ningis21
    @ningis21 5 лет назад

    Good stuff again..Thanks... Keep your fingers crossed folks, for no vehicle breakdown or repairs etc.. Ha... It's a minefield.....Good advice though, for the newbies and the people kidding themselves that they are actually doing well financially. One question...do you think that discounts that tradesmen/women get ( because they buy plenty of stuff from their suppliers) should be handed on to the customer, or kept by the tradesperson... ? Basically, Should the customer benefit from the tradepersons trade discount...or should the tradesperson keep the discount for themselves, and add a premium to it for collection of the materials from the supplier and delivery to site etc...? I think that was more than one question..ha..

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад +1

      The discount should absolutely form part of the profit for the business in my view - that's what it's there for. I try to charge RRP+20% on materials to cover my time for the ordering and collection process. It really annoys me when customers expect that discount to be passed on. If McDonalds get a discount for buying their burgers cheaper do you think they'd pass it on to the consumer? 👍😀

  • @wherea5454
    @wherea5454 5 лет назад

    Hi. If I make 100usd through Fiverr who take a 20% cut. Do I mark this down as 100usd or 80usd sales. Also do I mark the 20usd as an expense ? Or is their cut not an expense. Please advise ! (Ps I’m in the UK)

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад

      Technically you should split out the fees since turnover is based on your Gross sales amount (i.e. what the customer actually paid). Having said that, unless you're approaching the VAT threshold it should make very little difference to the tax you pay. To avoid unnecessary complexity, for smaller amounts some folk just declare the GBP value that hits their account BUT I would highly recommend checking this with the HMRC and an accountant - especially as the business grows. If there's any accountants here please let us know what you think! 👍😀

  • @olrenison
    @olrenison 5 лет назад +1

    Good video thanks. Watching it for the second time now. Every time I try to quite for something using the figure I arrived at from this, it just makes me think, there's no way I'm going to get any work at that cost. Man, it's depressing. Kind of makes me want to just go and work at McDonalds... :-/
    It's a hard balancing act of trying to get a job, and trying to get paid enough. Mess either up, and it's not been worth it...

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад

      Push in to areas that can afford your rates if you can 👍

    • @ninamartin1084
      @ninamartin1084 Год назад

      Also, sometimes clients do not pay. Once was owed over £1000 by a law firm. Took me nearly a year of letters and weekly Monday morning phone calls to get it. Exhausting.

  • @leighbrowne8863
    @leighbrowne8863 3 года назад

    Morning, I've just joined your site for a year and i can't download the spreadsheet from this video? i can download all the others from the members area just not this one? I'm contacting you via RUclips as you don't have a "Contact" tab on your website. Could you look into this for me please. Thanks

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  3 года назад

      Hi Leigh - sorry for the delay! RUclips put your comment in 'spam' for some reason. Did you manage to get sorted? I tested it and seems to work fine. Try F5 to refresh the page but if that doesn't work get back to me. Contact link is at the bottom of the page. Cheers!

    • @leighbrowne8863
      @leighbrowne8863 3 года назад

      @@SmallBusinessToolbox Thanks for getting back to me. All sorted now thanks. Take care.

  • @soundblink9613
    @soundblink9613 2 года назад

    Does this calculator actually working? I just payed for a yearly subscription, mostly to get an access to it. Every time I click on the link either through YT or the website it keeps logging me out.

  • @andybrown169
    @andybrown169 5 лет назад

    Your principal is very good but in reality it prices yourself out of a competitive market. I’ve seen a huge increase in self employed tradesmen due to the lack of industry available in the manufacturing work place. If you charge what you’re recommending you’ll end up with 2 weeks out of 4 in work which defeats the object.

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад +2

      Depends on the trade but the vast majority of trades people I know are flooded with work and the vast majority of customers I know can't find good trades people (at any price). I do think *in general* £30/hr is a bare minimum but you need to crunch the numbers. No point being in business to make minimum wage though. 👍

    • @hansdegroot8549
      @hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад +2

      @@SmallBusinessToolbox I think a service related business is (also) related to the place where you live.
      Only people (including their houses, pets, etc. need services. Imho there is a huge difference if you live in a small village (500 inh), a small town (20000 inh),
      a bigger town (100000 inh) or a city (more than 400 000 inh)
      The smaller the village/town you live in, the further you have to drive to reach your customers.

  • @craftyhandyman9757
    @craftyhandyman9757 5 лет назад +2

    30 per hour is no where near enough. I live in a small community in North Carolina and I price out my work at $110.00/hour. Got all the business I care to have. I do electric, HVAC, gas lines, carpentry, drywall, tile and wood flooring plus remodels. Some of the work I sub out if need be.

    • @kieranbracken2578
      @kieranbracken2578 5 лет назад

      Sam Eades how much do you charge for changing taps

  • @Scientist538
    @Scientist538 Год назад

    feels hopeless as a young person in this country

  • @nighthawk8828
    @nighthawk8828 2 года назад

    I feel like the best price to charge the customer is £50.00 that's if you only have essential costs nothing else

  • @richardhodgson7443
    @richardhodgson7443 4 года назад

    This is such a great way to work out costing. How can I get a copy of this spreadsheet please

  • @artyom1751
    @artyom1751 3 года назад

    Nice work but expenses isn't realistic from my perspective in 2021... your calculations was in 2018/19 tax year and prices only rises up but
    I never paid for telephone £500 per year. It could be true only if you take some very expensive phone for 2 years contract.
    Food expenses-£500 for a person? Fancy...it should be enough for a couple or it could be true if you are not cooking by yourself and eat outside...
    Rent/mortgage - I can't comment
    House insurance - if you rent it isn't essential but mortgage possibly is...
    The devil is in the detail.

  • @welder8942
    @welder8942 Год назад

    My business cost are 31k a year

  • @markmk4803
    @markmk4803 4 года назад

    Fascinating. £50 per hour is where you should be. No argument. Otherwise walk away.

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  4 года назад

      Totally agree. Sadly still seeing qualified electricians going out and charging £20/hr. 😭😭

  • @tomf2026
    @tomf2026 5 лет назад

    I really dont get these figures. At 35 to 40 an hour youre in the realms of skilled and qualified trades like plumbers and electricians. People expect cheaper as a handyman....

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  5 лет назад +2

      Not specifically talking about handyman rates here - think I mentioned joiner in the vid, can't remember. Depending on the handyman work you do this can be way more skilled than just doing a single trade. You need to prove your worth to your customers - even if you just charged £5/hr you'd still get folk wanting it done cheaper. Don't join the race to the bottom - you'll burn yourself out and your business will fail. Best of luck! 👍

  • @waldek32
    @waldek32 4 года назад

    As a pipefitter welder nobody will pay more than £23 per hour. :D
    And You work minimum 10.5 hours a day with Saturday....

    • @SmallBusinessToolbox
      @SmallBusinessToolbox  4 года назад +2

      I think you're talking about sub-contract work, not direct self employment. I know of welding / metal-working businesses charging WAY more than £23/hr. I've used many for my own projects! 👍👊

    • @waldek32
      @waldek32 4 года назад +1

      @@SmallBusinessToolbox Yes. You are exactly right. I'm a subcontractor normally.
      Maybe I should progress one day for being independent service provider. But dairy and brewery normally don't want to speak with small contractors. Just big ones.
      And its easy to burn out... Workin such long hours.