Hey I just got one of these and no matter what game I try and run it crashes within minutes I've tried all the setting on/off and everywhere in between updated the drivers, windows outta ideas. Thinking it's maybe just a driver issue with amd? Not sure any help would be appreciated thanks
This seems to be a fake to me. I got the UM790 Pro last friday and tested overclocking ability the whole weekend. No chance to get over the specification in any way with several tools.
These mini-PCs are getting better and better every 6 months. Especially the ones with the AMD Ryzen CPUs/GPUs. Gamers, video editors, and even some CAD users are benefiting from it.
@@HuntaKiller91 Wouldn't that single handedly kill low tier/budget GPUs? it would make no sense to get something like a 5050 from nvidia or RX 7500 XT? if IGPUs match almost a RTX 3050 in perfomance i.e
@@gersongaete1574 what are you expecting? 4070 level performance? You got to be joking right? Radeon 780m has performance between 1050Ti and 1060 6GB AND as like we know, 880m won't be that much faster, matching up with 1060 exactly so you'll be able to play anyway with higher frames and better graphics but expecting 4070 level performance is BS as hell.. but still, if you need to squeeze all of it, your system requires the most fastest DDR5 RAM with lowest latency, adding on a bit of money for which of them you can actually buy like 1080Ti on used market which will be almost 100% faster than 880m ( if power consumption does not bother you and you don't mind to pay a bit more for electricity, you should go up with 1080Ti but if your build does not allow you to use dedicated gpu, go for the 880m and fastest ram with lowest latency you can get.. it will cost like 800-900 bucks for the entire build but afterall it will be 1- silent and 2- energy efficient )
@@DuckyUmbra 60FPS no dips in open maps high settings, shadow medium..100% render scale 90FPS 76lows on crucible same settings FSR 720 can reach 120 in crucible (same tech PS5 uses) RAM Kit im using is Kingston Fury Impact 64GB kit 5600mhz
Hello beautiful video but it would be cool if you could answer the questions asked as if it is possible to overclock a GTR7 Pro? If we can put memory at 6400 Mhz? If we can put 64 GB? Etc... you are doing a good job but I think you should go all out and answer questions from your viewers. Thank you and I look forward to your next videos. And if you can give a real opinion of choice between UM 790 Pro and the GTR7 Pro?
Hey ETA. Can you undervolt the CPU using the curve optimiser option to see how much you can get in Cinebench R23 Multicore. I'm curious if it's possible to be on par with a Ryzen 7 7700X or not.
Woo, thanks for this. This is the first thing I'm going to do once I get mine. Hopefully, they don't keep pushing back the ship date, though - it was late June, but now it's early July.
I've got one on order too. 😁 Went for the 5600MHz 32GB option to be able to allocate more video memory to hopefully be able to run games at higher texture qualities while still being at 1080p. So glad ETAPrime showed us the overclocking software and not just the results but I'll probably go with a flat 80w to be on the safe side.
@matthew3950 Sweet, ordered the same model here. I figured I might as well get the memory installed from the get-go since the bios maxes out at 5600 mhz anyway, and the upgrade price was actually reasonable.
Ditto, I ordered mine late May for end of June shipment, but then they changed it to early July. However apparently mine is already in the pipeline as I have been communicating with Miniforums through their online site.
7:12. I just wish you ran your normal benchmark as well. The same place you always start. The same bosses you always walk up to and hit. The same center divider you jump over. The same other side of the street you walk down. As your personal cyberpunk benchmark demo. Which I have grown accustomed to. And provides a pretty good measuring stick. Because of my familiarity with CryEngine. And you're perfect consistency. Outside this video of course. And this is one of the ones I really wanted to see that result for.! Because it's the overclock version.! Indeed the in-game benchmark is looking pretty good. That doesn't tell me anything comparison to the hundreds of other times I've seen you play that specific part in Cyberpunk.! Obviously you do another benchmark with the G1. And you Did it in exactly the same way you always normally do. And of course the performances greater. But that doesn't tell me what I need to know as far as the measuring stick you have developed over so many examples with different hardware. And I don't know maybe add some extra stuff you might not have shown in this video. Because by my estimate even though I never got to see the overclock cyberpunk result. The reason I anticipated it so greatly it's because I expected such great things from it. And if the in game benchmark is any indication. It definitely will. But the only way I'll actually know is if you run your benchmark. "Your" cyberpunk benchmark is my measuring stick.! Maybe a show of emulation or a possible advantage or disadvantage Not previously elaborated on. Maybe do a RUclips short. I don't think you've done any of those have you.? I'm sure if you did RUclips would show me. But as always. Excellent video.! 👍👍
Thing that you never do and we would love to get is ""numbers comparison"". Don't be shy when you can improve your quality. For example, you could compared this one to an OC GTR7 and compared also to the non OC numbers. How is it possible ? 3D Mark : 30057 / OC : 30024 TIME SPY : 3240 / OC : 3138 You missed something ? I've seen another video : Daniel Owen I'm having WAY too much fun with Mini PCs! (Minisforum UM690 vs UM790 vs BeeLink GTR7 Pro) Apparently you gain a lot with 32 gigs of ram and changing the buffering ram allocated seem to help a lot.
This just goes to show how capable these igpu's (in the 7940HS/7840HS) are, combined with a good enough cooling solution, at those higher power limits. Question then becomes why are they power capped? Degradation reasons? If not, it begs a second question. Why there are no laptop manufacturers designing around this 7940HS/7840HS, WITHOUT a dedicated GPU but WITH a beefy cooling solution and increase TDP limits? Cause of lower revenue interests due to lower overall system specs (display especially), or contracts mandating combining these with x brand dGPU's? Such a machine with only a 7940HS/7840H would make a fabulous productivity laptop, with very good entry level gaming performance if it was designed to be able to run and cool 80W.
DDR5 (even LPDDR5X) is not on par with the GDDR used on dedicated graphics. This RDNA3 IGPU is bottlenecked by the memory used. You need to upgrade to standalone GPU given a point.
@@leaderface6437 true. But it depends on ones use case and what performance one deems adequate for their needs. Personally it would fit my performance need, albeit with faster DDR5 then this review. Cause I won't be running the newest AAA titles anyway. Making this APU be a best fit without going directly to entry dGPU. Btw, if one really needs more dedicated GPU horsepower, manufacturers should integrate an OCulink port on such AMD powered products. Anyway that is just my take on it ;)
@@gkirmathal Yes: external GPUs are great but dificult to find at reasonable prices. I´m waiting to buy a 7840HS or 7840U LPDDR5X laptop, but they are missing in action. I think AMD and Intel are on the way to kill dedicated graphics, and in a couple of years wouldn´t be neccesary no more (unless specific uses). They may increment the memory bus next year (maybe starting with Meteor Lake?). I don´t know, but Apple showed the road ahead and now they are behind, so....
I have the 7840hs variant coming this week. I opted for it after seeing your testing on these units. I have a suspicion that performance is being left on the table due to the vram allocation being at 4 GB. I paired it with 32 GB DDR5 5600 because i think there may be a substantial performance increase if we can allocate more memory to vram. I'm thinking 12 GB will alleviate any texture bottlenecks and REALLY open this thing up!! Thanks for all of your content
@@anxiousnation3820 the wi-fi kinda sux .. you have to do some mods on the antenna wires on the bottom plastic lead .. maybe extend the wires outside the aluminum case.
Dear @ETA Prime, since you posted this and Minis released a new BIOS on 7/17/2023 these results are no longer obtainable. In fact it appears they've locked the system down to a sustained 48 watts. I've tried a variety of BIOS and Windows powercfg settings and you can de-tune the system but can't get past the 48w mark. I've even reflashed the BIOS and it didn't help.
Here is my experience with this. Bought a barebones and installed 64gb Ripjaws 5600Mhz, WD Black 1TB PCI-e 4.0 to fill it in. The Windows 11 download was pretty straightforward with the ISO provided on thier homepage. I use my PC for light work, browsing and watching a lot of video on it. All peripherals are connected via Bluetooth, but never in a million years came to a situation that USB SD Card readers devices are not recognised! This problem is also all over Redidt too. It's the 3rd day after writing to them and they've not responded yet. No resolution so far. If anyone has had a similar problem please mention a fix to this! So much for thier support. So future buyers beware about this problem.
A great video! I personally don't have this unit, however, I do have the beelink ser5 pro with the ryzen 7 5800h 32gb ddr4 and the vega 8 igpu, was wondering if there is a preset in the universal tuning app for this? Or even better, if you could do a tutorial video, I would be super grateful as I'm sure some of the other people would too! Great channel keep up the good work!!
Shame you couldn't OC the memory. That is always the first thing I try with iGPUs. Did you try disabling the XEMU profile (amd's XMP iirc) go down to 4800 and then manually increase frequency and timings? Also, that 200 MHz bump is fairly small. One thing that helps a lot is to slightly downclock the CPU so you get more GPU headroom. But even without touching the cpu you should be able to get a few more Hz out of your APU before hitting instability. I mean, 200 is a great starting point but ai would try to get about 500 MHz extra to really get the juice going. Ideally a 400MHz OC on the memory and a 500MHz OC on the GPU. You might want to try and undervolt tye CPU too. Especially if you lower clocks. That decreases the power budget and again diverts more of those higher orbit electrons to the GPU.
Great video and awesome product. I am getting one myself in a week or so. Any chance you could tinker around with higher frequency RAM or overclocking 5600 CL40 RAM sticks? Or testing higher allocations or VRM 8-16GB? Or higher performance SSDs like Samsung 990Pro? What would be the sweetspot for higher quality component upgrades or at least where are the limits with this unit? Thx
Using Core Temp and bench-marking with CPU-Z, I discovered my Ryzen 5 5500U is running at 25 watts. Apparently there is no need for me to use a tuning utility because the 5500U can only use 25 Watts. Thanks for the help
My um690s only has a tdp of 54 watt but I can run it at 80 watts and the cpu temp never gets above 80c (during benchmarks only, n3ver gets that hot otherwise.
Just purchased and overclocked as you did, but the max TDP will still be 65W. Even though the CoreTemp shows 80W or more, the meter from the wall charger never exceed 65.
i agree, only problem is that water cooled igpu systems cost more and preform less than a normal pc with a gpu, thats why, but its def a intresting idea i wish hed do
Hi, can you set the RAM timing in the BIOS? It would be interesting because the RAM is also used as graphics memory, and if you buy the barebones version and use faster RAM, for example DDR5-5600, CL40-40-40, the graphics performance could be a lot better. It is clear that RAM latency matters much more than a clock increase. The important question would be whether the UM790 pro with DDR5-5600, CL40-40-40 runs stably or not? The other important question would be whether a Raid 0 with the two NVME SSD works without problems?? For example 2X 2TB Gen4 SSD. Most likely it would be a monster setup RAM timing with CL40 and 2X 2TB Gen4 SSD in RAID 0. I mean it would be very interesting an extra video about these options.
Hello and greetings from Germany, great video, have now also bought a UM790 and am a little disappointed, unfortunately I cannot set a resolution of 5120x1440, is that with you too?
I'm trying this on my unit and I can't get above 45/54W (Bios set to Auto or 54w) was there any Bios settings prior to this ? Have set the Tuning preset to exactly the same settings ? :-(
I’d be curious to see eGPU Razer support w/7800XT , and also previous OC test ls with latest AMD drivers. I’ve been devouring your content, the MinisForum seem awesome. What are your thoughts on units like the 77XT with Vega vs AMD phasing out support of the chipset ?
You used to be my go to channel for tech reviews and I purchased the em680 because of it. However I noticed that lately you've been giving biased reviews to please your sponsors. I cannot trust your content to give an accurate review of what to expect anymore. I hope in the future you start to focus on what made you a big channel.
I'm curious. The original Oculus Rift requires a Radeon R9 290. After a little research, it looks like the overclocked 780M on this should be within a few percent of that level of performance. So how would this handle VR on the Oculus Rift? (assuming the drivers even allow it)
Depends on the title. I would except some sim racers like Assetto Corsa and AMS2 to run fine as they needed a 970 to run. ACC and DCS, forget about it (in thick Italian accent).
Please insist that these companies include Thunderbolt 4. Its not that expensive and just a few chips and power handling. Yes it has USB4 which is great, but if it has Thunderbolt 4 we can use an external GPU enclosures over Thunderbolt like the Razer Core X. Put an RTX4080Ti/R7800XT in there and you have a beast of a gaming rig. This is the prime reason why I'm not buying any minipc's apart from the Intel NUC with Thunderbolt. We need Thunderbolt 4! Please give them this feedback. They would have my money if it had Thunderbolt 4.
I'm really thinking about buying this mini pc, do you know if there's any way we can overclock the ram ? I know there's some 6400mhz DDR5 ram out there and I'm sure it could make a big difference !
So even with RDNA3 and 5600MHz RAM, these APUs still can't do 1080p/60 without some heavy smearing from FSR Balanced or Performance in many modern games. It would be nice to test 900p or 720p native or just to see where 1080p native lands. 40fps? 20 fps?
If you put 32 Gig instead of 16 Gig of RAM this PC can even run 15% faster and 30% faster at 1% low-framerates. Daniel Owen made a video about. 32 Gig will helpt a lot. There is much less stutter. This Video show how fast the 8700G might be.
Interested in Horizon Zero Dawn as it doesn't like my settings as they are so it will have to be a refund. Wasn't sure if all the settings you recommended have to be set to get HZD to work. I ran FH5 on their recent free trial and everything was on low settings, so interested as your settings seemed amazing. FH4 seems to have to run on low settings, but not worried about that. Just wondered what's going to happen to my games once I get a 4K monitor. Street Fighter 6 looks awesome, so wondering if the same settings are required.
Please when are you doing an egpu test with the pcie slot.i bet it would be desktop level performance but 2-3x cheaper.also it just occurred to me that I watched the gpd wm2 high tdp video and God of war was running at 40w at 1200p resolution and about the same fps,is that due to the faster ram?
heya, I mostly play minecraft java edition, fortnite, valorant, and cod warzone 3 (I always use lowest settings possible on every game I play, idk why but I do) so do you think this pc is good for me?
My vote for HX80G over HX99G or UM790 pro. My reasons are: - DDR5 still not completely developed for high efficiency versus speed/latency. Right now, ddr4 is enough for 1080p or even 1440p gaming. - Thunderbolt or USB4 support for external gpu needs better speed and latency in some games like shooters, so best option is an oculink adapter for m.2 slot, you could do this in hx80g too. - Performance difference between 5800H, 5900HX, 6900HX even 7940HS is very little (10%-15%) compared with price gap between these models. - Under my assumption. 7940HX for now didn't exist, and 7945HX, based on news and rumors, will be used for new mini pc with desktop gpu support. This is not interesting for me, because i'm interested in mobile gpu efficiency, and low overall consumption, that's not going to be the case.
I just ran timespy again and on my sff hp upcycled pc with an i7-7700 and a low profile 1650 4gb card with 32 gb ram i got a score of 3521. Just for comparison. That's 89% of my performance from your igpu.
I'm looking to buy a mini PC and I'm comparing this model with the Beelink, GMKtec NucBox K4 where I can hook up a compatible egpu. Is this the best 7940HS mini PC model to buy?
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Would like to see UM790pro tested with egpu using USB4 and M2 Nvme as it has two M2 Nvme sockets
I have it running with an amazon oculink kit and a 3070ti
Hey I just got one of these and no matter what game I try and run it crashes within minutes I've tried all the setting on/off and everywhere in between updated the drivers, windows outta ideas. Thinking it's maybe just a driver issue with amd? Not sure any help would be appreciated thanks
Nice! This is the mini PC that I've been waiting for.
This seems to be a fake to me. I got the UM790 Pro last friday and tested overclocking ability the whole weekend.
No chance to get over the specification in any way with several tools.
Pretty skeptical too, we can see in the bench in the video, the CPU doesn't go above 65W (with 2W as error margin)
he plugged a apu too
These mini-PCs are getting better and better every 6 months. Especially the ones with the AMD Ryzen CPUs/GPUs. Gamers, video editors, and even some CAD users are benefiting from it.
Next year they will get much better. Once amd launches strix point and strix halo (Rtx 4070 level performance).
@@gersongaete1574I'd expect it be around 3050 for the normal igpu with radeon 880M and those strix halo should be around rx 6700xt
@@HuntaKiller91 Wouldn't that single handedly kill low tier/budget GPUs? it would make no sense to get something like a 5050 from nvidia or RX 7500 XT? if IGPUs match almost a RTX 3050 in perfomance i.e
APU's are the future.
@@gersongaete1574 what are you expecting? 4070 level performance? You got to be joking right? Radeon 780m has performance between 1050Ti and 1060 6GB AND as like we know, 880m won't be that much faster, matching up with 1060 exactly so you'll be able to play anyway with higher frames and better graphics but expecting 4070 level performance is BS as hell.. but still, if you need to squeeze all of it, your system requires the most fastest DDR5 RAM with lowest latency, adding on a bit of money for which of them you can actually buy like 1080Ti on used market which will be almost 100% faster than 880m ( if power consumption does not bother you and you don't mind to pay a bit more for electricity, you should go up with 1080Ti but if your build does not allow you to use dedicated gpu, go for the 880m and fastest ram with lowest latency you can get.. it will cost like 800-900 bucks for the entire build but afterall it will be 1- silent and 2- energy efficient )
Man, I can't wait to see how the Dragon Range APUs perform.
Im waiting for desktop editions. I just got the UM790 just for Destiny 2 and the performance is nuts at 1080P. Its making PS5 look bad
Any idea when could that be?
@@eliezerortizlevante1122FPS? Settings?
@@DuckyUmbra 60FPS no dips in open maps high settings, shadow medium..100% render scale
90FPS 76lows on crucible same settings
FSR 720 can reach 120 in crucible (same tech PS5 uses)
RAM Kit im using is Kingston Fury Impact 64GB kit 5600mhz
@@eliezerortizlevante1122 Amazing! Love the reply ♥️ Thanks!
Hello beautiful video but it would be cool if you could answer the questions asked as if it is possible to overclock a GTR7 Pro? If we can put memory at 6400 Mhz? If we can put 64 GB? Etc... you are doing a good job but I think you should go all out and answer questions from your viewers. Thank you and I look forward to your next videos. And if you can give a real opinion of choice between UM 790 Pro and the GTR7 Pro?
Fast RAM with shorter latencies is always a better option than overclocking. Of course, the BIOS must also enable settings for shorter latency times.
Hey ETA. Can you undervolt the CPU using the curve optimiser option to see how much you can get in Cinebench R23 Multicore. I'm curious if it's possible to be on par with a Ryzen 7 7700X or not.
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Great question.
Woo, thanks for this. This is the first thing I'm going to do once I get mine. Hopefully, they don't keep pushing back the ship date, though - it was late June, but now it's early July.
I've got one on order too. 😁 Went for the 5600MHz 32GB option to be able to allocate more video memory to hopefully be able to run games at higher texture qualities while still being at 1080p. So glad ETAPrime showed us the overclocking software and not just the results but I'll probably go with a flat 80w to be on the safe side.
@matthew3950 Sweet, ordered the same model here. I figured I might as well get the memory installed from the get-go since the bios maxes out at 5600 mhz anyway, and the upgrade price was actually reasonable.
Ditto, I ordered mine late May for end of June shipment, but then they changed it to early July. However apparently mine is already in the pipeline as I have been communicating with Miniforums through their online site.
how did your tests go in the end, any conclusions? I just got one of these@@matthew3950
7:12. I just wish you ran your normal benchmark as well. The same place you always start. The same bosses you always walk up to and hit. The same center divider you jump over. The same other side of the street you walk down. As your personal cyberpunk benchmark demo.
Which I have grown accustomed to. And provides a pretty good measuring stick. Because of my familiarity with CryEngine. And you're perfect consistency.
Outside this video of course. And this is one of the ones I really wanted to see that result for.!
Because it's the overclock version.!
Indeed the in-game benchmark is looking pretty good. That doesn't tell me anything comparison to the hundreds of other times I've seen you play that specific part in Cyberpunk.!
Obviously you do another benchmark with the G1. And you Did it in exactly the same way you always normally do.
And of course the performances greater. But that doesn't tell me what I need to know as far as the measuring stick you have developed over so many examples with different hardware.
And I don't know maybe add some extra stuff you might not have shown in this video.
Because by my estimate even though I never got to see the overclock cyberpunk result. The reason I anticipated it so greatly it's because I expected such great things from it.
And if the in game benchmark is any indication. It definitely will. But the only way I'll actually know is if you run your benchmark.
"Your" cyberpunk benchmark is my measuring stick.!
Maybe a show of emulation or a possible advantage or disadvantage Not previously elaborated on.
Maybe do a RUclips short. I don't think you've done any of those have you.?
I'm sure if you did RUclips would show me.
But as always. Excellent video.! 👍👍
The overclocking shows how much these tiny pcs can do at such a small size. Imagine what we'll be called pcs in the next 5 years. wow!
Thing that you never do and we would love to get is ""numbers comparison"". Don't be shy when you can improve your quality.
For example, you could compared this one to an OC GTR7 and compared also to the non OC numbers.
How is it possible ?
3D Mark : 30057 / OC : 30024
TIME SPY : 3240 / OC : 3138
You missed something ?
I've seen another video :
Daniel Owen I'm having WAY too much fun with Mini PCs! (Minisforum UM690 vs UM790 vs BeeLink GTR7 Pro)
Apparently you gain a lot with 32 gigs of ram and changing the buffering ram allocated seem to help a lot.
This just goes to show how capable these igpu's (in the 7940HS/7840HS) are, combined with a good enough cooling solution, at those higher power limits.
Question then becomes why are they power capped? Degradation reasons?
If not, it begs a second question. Why there are no laptop manufacturers designing around this 7940HS/7840HS, WITHOUT a dedicated GPU but WITH a beefy cooling solution and increase TDP limits? Cause of lower revenue interests due to lower overall system specs (display especially), or contracts mandating combining these with x brand dGPU's?
Such a machine with only a 7940HS/7840H would make a fabulous productivity laptop, with very good entry level gaming performance if it was designed to be able to run and cool 80W.
DDR5 (even LPDDR5X) is not on par with the GDDR used on dedicated graphics. This RDNA3 IGPU is bottlenecked by the memory used. You need to upgrade to standalone GPU given a point.
@@leaderface6437 true. But it depends on ones use case and what performance one deems adequate for their needs.
Personally it would fit my performance need, albeit with faster DDR5 then this review. Cause I won't be running the newest AAA titles anyway. Making this APU be a best fit without going directly to entry dGPU.
Btw, if one really needs more dedicated GPU horsepower, manufacturers should integrate an OCulink port on such AMD powered products. Anyway that is just my take on it ;)
@@gkirmathal Yes: external GPUs are great but dificult to find at reasonable prices.
I´m waiting to buy a 7840HS or 7840U LPDDR5X laptop, but they are missing in action.
I think AMD and Intel are on the way to kill dedicated graphics, and in a couple of years wouldn´t be neccesary no more (unless specific uses).
They may increment the memory bus next year (maybe starting with Meteor Lake?).
I don´t know, but Apple showed the road ahead and now they are behind, so....
I have the 7840hs variant coming this week. I opted for it after seeing your testing on these units. I have a suspicion that performance is being left on the table due to the vram allocation being at 4 GB. I paired it with 32 GB DDR5 5600 because i think there may be a substantial performance increase if we can allocate more memory to vram. I'm thinking 12 GB will alleviate any texture bottlenecks and REALLY open this thing up!!
Thanks for all of your content
I think max vram u can set it is 6GB
I just ordered one myself with the same config. How did you like it? Any draw backs?
@evronetwork I set my vram to 8G since I only have 32G total .. it can be setup in Bios up to 16G of vram
@@anxiousnation3820 the wi-fi kinda sux .. you have to do some mods on the antenna wires on the bottom plastic lead .. maybe extend the wires outside the aluminum case.
Dear @ETA Prime, since you posted this and Minis released a new BIOS on 7/17/2023 these results are no longer obtainable. In fact it appears they've locked the system down to a sustained 48 watts. I've tried a variety of BIOS and Windows powercfg settings and you can de-tune the system but can't get past the 48w mark. I've even reflashed the BIOS and it didn't help.
What version was that, 1.04 or 1.05?
1.05 is the current released on 7/17/23 @@brianhuffman4461
@@brianhuffman4461 running 1.05 not work
Here is my experience with this. Bought a barebones and installed 64gb Ripjaws 5600Mhz, WD Black 1TB PCI-e 4.0 to fill it in. The Windows 11 download was pretty straightforward with the ISO provided on thier homepage. I use my PC for light work, browsing and watching a lot of video on it. All peripherals are connected via Bluetooth, but never in a million years came to a situation that USB SD Card readers devices are not recognised! This problem is also all over Redidt too. It's the 3rd day after writing to them and they've not responded yet. No resolution so far. If anyone has had a similar problem please mention a fix to this! So much for thier support. So future buyers beware about this problem.
Would be awesome if you'd test the 7940HS overclocked against Baldur's Gate 3
Gotta get that ram speed up!
man i freaking love your channel
I told myself once these miniPCs can play games released in the last several years at 1080p 60 fps it would be worth purchasing.
I think combining with undervolting would make it more powerful and run cooler, even no need for higher tdp
How does that make any sense? Less power for more performance?
@@matthew3950 This OC has less numbers than the non oc from week ago... this make no sense.
@@ParaclefIn the non OC video he ran games at 900p not 1080p as in this round of testing. Hence the lower numbers.
@@matthew3950 In some scenarios under-volting makes sense if the cpu/gpu is being throttled back due to thermals.
@@matthew3950 You are right here, i admit.. but check for ''time spy'' and ''3d marks''.
A great video! I personally don't have this unit, however, I do have the beelink ser5 pro with the ryzen 7 5800h 32gb ddr4 and the vega 8 igpu, was wondering if there is a preset in the universal tuning app for this? Or even better, if you could do a tutorial video, I would be super grateful as I'm sure some of the other people would too! Great channel keep up the good work!!
Shame you couldn't OC the memory. That is always the first thing I try with iGPUs. Did you try disabling the XEMU profile (amd's XMP iirc) go down to 4800 and then manually increase frequency and timings? Also, that 200 MHz bump is fairly small. One thing that helps a lot is to slightly downclock the CPU so you get more GPU headroom. But even without touching the cpu you should be able to get a few more Hz out of your APU before hitting instability. I mean, 200 is a great starting point but ai would try to get about 500 MHz extra to really get the juice going. Ideally a 400MHz OC on the memory and a 500MHz OC on the GPU. You might want to try and undervolt tye CPU too. Especially if you lower clocks. That decreases the power budget and again diverts more of those higher orbit electrons to the GPU.
Do you know if it's possible to overclock the memory past the rated 5600 on this mini PC?
@@florianprudence3979 that was what I was asking. If you enable the XMP profile memory is OCed and locked. If you disable it should be possible.
Thank you very very much !!!!!!!!
I will try.
No worries i'm aware that i'm doing this on my own risk.
Great video and awesome product. I am getting one myself in a week or so. Any chance you could tinker around with higher frequency RAM or overclocking 5600 CL40 RAM sticks? Or testing higher allocations or VRM 8-16GB? Or higher performance SSDs like Samsung 990Pro? What would be the sweetspot for higher quality component upgrades or at least where are the limits with this unit? Thx
Overclock here we gooo
For some reason i havent found some um 760 pro pc. No videos at all & it still carries a 7640hs 740m igpu
Using Core Temp and bench-marking with CPU-Z, I discovered my Ryzen 5 5500U is running at 25 watts. Apparently there is no need for me to use a tuning utility because the 5500U can only use 25 Watts. Thanks for the help
My um690s only has a tdp of 54 watt but I can run it at 80 watts and the cpu temp never gets above 80c (during benchmarks only, n3ver gets that hot otherwise.
Overlclocking?!?!?!?! I'm in!! 😂😂
Just purchased and overclocked as you did, but the max TDP will still be 65W. Even though the CoreTemp shows 80W or more, the meter from the wall charger never exceed 65.
have you tried custom water cooling .... is there something that might work with this form factor ? have you tried open case with a large fan ?
I have been waiting for mine. Contacting them takes ages.
It would be nice to see how far these igpus can go if you water cooled them
i agree, only problem is that water cooled igpu systems cost more and preform less than a normal pc with a gpu, thats why, but its def a intresting idea i wish hed do
@@Nomidy yeah, it wouldn't have a real application, but it would certainly be interesting to see
makes me wonder,how's the 5700g holding up this days with past games having been polished since ur last igpu PC build🤔
I would love to see Half Lyfe: Alyx running on this
you can already see it on the steam deck so it is easily possible.
Hi, can you set the RAM timing in the BIOS?
It would be interesting because the RAM is also used as graphics memory, and if you buy the barebones version and use faster RAM, for example DDR5-5600, CL40-40-40, the graphics performance could be a lot better. It is clear that RAM latency matters much more than a clock increase. The important question would be whether the UM790 pro with DDR5-5600, CL40-40-40 runs stably or not? The other important question would be whether a Raid 0 with the two NVME SSD works without problems?? For example 2X 2TB Gen4 SSD. Most likely it would be a monster setup RAM timing with CL40 and 2X 2TB Gen4 SSD in RAID 0. I mean it would be very interesting an extra video about these options.
tested cl46-45-45-90 to cl44-44-44-88. will black screen and then must clear cmos. and power limit can be 95 watts. um790pro
CL40 5600 works.. 3300 timspy score at stock, no overclock..
@@Austintatious_One Thank you for your answer, it helped me a lot.
Best regards
@@Austintatious_One can you set the ram timings in bios?
@@isipisilemonsqueezy negative.. Only stock timings.. Kingston Fury comes with CL40 5600 though.. Works out the box.. 👌
I'm so tempted to get one of these. I want to connect my old 2060 mini to one. See what it can really do.
Will there be more APU's like this coming out this year? I'll probably hold off till Xmas before buying one
is the apu the red thing he plugged in the beginning of the video
Hello and greetings from Germany, great video, have now also bought a UM790 and am a little disappointed, unfortunately I cannot set a resolution of 5120x1440, is that with you too?
I'm trying this on my unit and I can't get above 45/54W (Bios set to Auto or 54w) was there any Bios settings prior to this ?
Have set the Tuning preset to exactly the same settings ? :-(
Same as me
I'm sure I would ruin mine if I got one. I would just wait for better spec at barefoot rates.
Thank you.
EPGU with this setup? would that be hectic , also do you recommend a epgu ?
Why am i here sitting with a random mini pc rather then this one? i'm getting this fs..
I’d be curious to see eGPU Razer support w/7800XT , and also previous OC test ls with latest AMD drivers. I’ve been devouring your content, the MinisForum seem awesome.
What are your thoughts on units like the 77XT with Vega vs AMD phasing out support of the chipset ?
You used to be my go to channel for tech reviews and I purchased the em680 because of it. However I noticed that lately you've been giving biased reviews to please your sponsors. I cannot trust your content to give an accurate review of what to expect anymore. I hope in the future you start to focus on what made you a big channel.
It actually does feel like his vids are biased lately.
This didn't work for me. Power stayed pegged between 60-65W (bios v1.03 - later bioses are crap and cause reboots even stock)
worked for me, not consistent though and not the level of performance he got to, im on v1.03 also
id like to see OW2 & other competitive performance metrics
Here we go!
I'm curious. The original Oculus Rift requires a Radeon R9 290. After a little research, it looks like the overclocked 780M on this should be within a few percent of that level of performance. So how would this handle VR on the Oculus Rift? (assuming the drivers even allow it)
Depends on the title. I would except some sim racers like Assetto Corsa and AMS2 to run fine as they needed a 970 to run. ACC and DCS, forget about it (in thick Italian accent).
Please insist that these companies include Thunderbolt 4. Its not that expensive and just a few chips and power handling. Yes it has USB4 which is great, but if it has Thunderbolt 4 we can use an external GPU enclosures over Thunderbolt like the Razer Core X. Put an RTX4080Ti/R7800XT in there and you have a beast of a gaming rig. This is the prime reason why I'm not buying any minipc's apart from the Intel NUC with Thunderbolt. We need Thunderbolt 4! Please give them this feedback. They would have my money if it had Thunderbolt 4.
Yes I am aware USB4 can do eGPU enclosures like the Razer Core X. but the fastest speeds are still with Thunderbolt 4.
these are thunderbolt 4 arent they??
Hope my unit comes soon :D
Is it possible to overclock the memory on this?
This is so remarkable, but I always wonder how minipc fair in video rendering and encoding area?
The AVX512 support should help on this chip.
Thanks for yhe video, it would be awesome if we can see the overclocked and nonoverclocked performance side by side on one video though. 😅
Kingston FURY Impact SO-DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR5-6400
I was looking for such a program to use on the ROG Ally.
Does it have fan controls as well? That'd make this pretty much perfect.
Thanks for the videos. Would it be possible to test the nvme pciex 4*4 port in egpu normally better than the TB3
Rebel with a cause. 🎉🎉
I'm really thinking about buying this mini pc, do you know if there's any way we can overclock the ram ? I know there's some 6400mhz DDR5 ram out there and I'm sure it could make a big difference !
Yes Kingston. I want him to test too
Tekken 8 and Forbidden West benchmark built-in on a new PC for this upcoming video? 🎉
Please review Minisforum UM890 Pro. Thank you!
Any news for the updated drivers from AMD ?
Can someone send me a link to where it’s supposed to be ?
on desktop those APUs will likely run DDR5 7200 CL34
So even with RDNA3 and 5600MHz RAM, these APUs still can't do 1080p/60 without some heavy smearing from FSR Balanced or Performance in many modern games. It would be nice to test 900p or 720p native or just to see where 1080p native lands. 40fps? 20 fps?
If you put 32 Gig instead of 16 Gig of RAM this PC can even run 15% faster and 30% faster at 1% low-framerates. Daniel Owen made a video about. 32 Gig will helpt a lot. There is much less stutter.
This Video show how fast the 8700G might be.
Interested in Horizon Zero Dawn as it doesn't like my settings as they are so it will have to be a refund. Wasn't sure if all the settings you recommended have to be set to get HZD to work.
I ran FH5 on their recent free trial and everything was on low settings, so interested as your settings seemed amazing. FH4 seems to have to run on low settings, but not worried about that.
Just wondered what's going to happen to my games once I get a 4K monitor.
Street Fighter 6 looks awesome, so wondering if the same settings are required.
Very cool video!
Question, could you try gaming on a mac with an external gpu now that apple themselves are trying to expand into that area?
Macos sucks
Will you post a video on how to add SSD/Ram? Im scheduled to receive mine on July 4th and hoping to throw in a m2 ssd that I have here.
can you please clarify on wich bios your machine is running? i am on 1.03 and can`t get above 65W
and also add you amd driver version? on the minisforum forum there are more people which seem to be unable to adjust max tdp
Crazy that I can get my 3 year old desktop PC in a mini PC now sans GPU.
What are the memory temps like. The GTR7 has crazy high memory temps. Curious if the UM790 has the same issue
1:40 overclocking always damaging units not only mini pcs
Please when are you doing an egpu test with the pcie slot.i bet it would be desktop level performance but 2-3x cheaper.also it just occurred to me that I watched the gpd wm2 high tdp video and God of war was running at 40w at 1200p resolution and about the same fps,is that due to the faster ram?
Is this a good choice for VR gaming?
not really no, not without tons of tweaks and overclocking....I found this out just today!
Thank you for letting me know. I am still looking for a VR PC.@@carlsmtb3171
heya, I mostly play minecraft java edition, fortnite, valorant, and cod warzone 3 (I always use lowest settings possible on every game I play, idk why but I do) so do you think this pc is good for me?
Why is it not recommended? This recommendation could change after drivers updated?
Is it possible to share more memory to the integrated graphics in the bios like 12 gigabyte? I think it would make alot more difference.
as far as i am aware you can go up to 8gb if you have 32gb do dimm kit. not 100% sure though
Nice!
Both night raid and time spy scores were lower than the initial review video benchmarks which were at 65W and not OC-ed, why is that?
Merci!
Would you recommend this over the NPB7 for Photoshop use?
My vote for HX80G over HX99G or UM790 pro.
My reasons are:
- DDR5 still not completely developed for high efficiency versus speed/latency. Right now, ddr4 is enough for 1080p or even 1440p gaming.
- Thunderbolt or USB4 support for external gpu needs better speed and latency in some games like shooters, so best option is an oculink adapter for m.2 slot, you could do this in hx80g too.
- Performance difference between 5800H, 5900HX, 6900HX even 7940HS is very little (10%-15%) compared with price gap between these models.
- Under my assumption. 7940HX for now didn't exist, and 7945HX, based on news and rumors, will be used for new mini pc with desktop gpu support. This is not interesting for me, because i'm interested in mobile gpu efficiency, and low overall consumption, that's not going to be the case.
The 5800H Cpu is trash
You don't need to push that much overclock igpu and tdp when you can't overclock RAM, the limitation is always RAM speed
Some simple before/after numbers would have been helpful
Hi, can you tell me which game controller you use? Tnx :)
Could you pleas make a video how to Overclock der MInsforum in the BIOS?
How did you test on linux ? Did you need to install a linux graphic driver for this apu ?
Please ETA PRIME , what is the software you use for the animated wallpapers? Thank you.
I should be able to do this on the um780 correct? What is the real risk of this? I know he has to say minisforum recommends not to do this...
I just ran timespy again and on my sff hp upcycled pc with an i7-7700 and a low profile 1650 4gb card with 32 gb ram i got a score of 3521. Just for comparison. That's 89% of my performance from your igpu.
I did this and now APU iGPU is missing from that screen. Any idea? speed won't go over 2800Mhz now
I'm looking to buy a mini PC and I'm comparing this model with the Beelink, GMKtec NucBox K4 where I can hook up a compatible egpu. Is this the best 7940HS mini PC model to buy?
which power supply you using for OC? i noted it over 130W, im using 100W GaN PD which will cut off power when bios set 54W
Overclocked my Unit...what a Beast! ❤
What is the real risk? Have you had any issues?
@@matthewbutler4650 no, never.
@@mcbain5624 thank you man!
Hello ETA P Where's the link for the overclocking utility.
Can you try warzone 2.0 and modern warfare 2 and madden 2024? I am debating about getting this.
How does this unit handle running Plex or security software like Shinobi or iSpy DVR?
Universal x86 Tuning Utility opens and instantly closes... 🤔🤔 My machine is a UM560XT with a Ryzen 5 5600H with Win11 and Linux Neon. Any ideas?
Even with the overclock this PC is super quiet. And im using a 200W power brick.
Does any game got to 70w at least? Most of the footage was showing low 60s, SF6 wasn't even hitting 50w