DT you are killing me sending these kits out to shops with 18T ratchets... if anyone is going to spend the money to upgrade from 3-pawl to ratchet, why wouldn't you just give them to option to buy the conversion directly to 54t? buying the conversion AND the 54t upgrade is getting into 'just buy a new hub' territory. can y'all please just send the conversion out with the 54t rings in it already!
Hi and thank you for your comment. In the production lifetime of our eMTB specific H1900 wheels we had a change in thread diameter for the specific three pawl hubs being used in this wheel. To avoid any confusion we decided to put both available diameters for the ringnut in the conversion kit. This means there is the right ringnut for any DT Swiss three pawl hub included. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
Why take out and then replace the bearings? Why turn the insertion tool through 90degs in the vice before tightening after you’ve just wound down to nip tight?
Hi and thank you for your message. The reason is, we just wanted to offer one kit for any three pawl hub. For the SPLINE H1900 wheels we had a running change for the thread, the second generation got a bigger one. Therefore there are two rings in the kit but just one is needed ( the one which will fit your hub ). I hope you will have a good year 2022, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hello! I recently had my bike service and have a set of the M1900. The bike shop told me since it is a 3 pawl, I am unable to to upgrade to ratchet. Seeing this video reignited my desire again for the conversion. Based on my microspline, I would need the ‘3770S conversion kit. Thank you for making this video.
Hi Imaojasonn, yes, you can convert these wheels to Ratchet LN. For the conversion you would need either HXYXXX00N7689S in case your wheels have a Shimano freehub body, HXYXXX00N7690S is used for conversion to SRAM XDR. Both kits come with 18T ratchets but the 54T ratchets are compatible as well. More information about Ratchet LN can be found here: www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology Kind regards, Kai, DT Swiss
Hey Frisco, Is there a kit available to do it the other way around - Ratchet to 3 Pawl as I prefer the quieter 3 Pawl design. Have a DT Swiss 350/370 on a Giant wheelset.
Hi Tamas and thank you for your message. As shown in the video the ringnut is screwed in the regular way. When pedaling your screwing in the nut. As the driveside is downwards, you need to turn it counterclockwise to open the ringnut. I hope this will help, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Oscar, you would need to check with Shimano with Hub interface is needed, with tis information you can see on our website article number of the needed conversion kit: www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology Enjoy the trails, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi, ringnut steel M35 is for hybrid wheels which have a M35 3 pawl ringnut (there are models with M34 and models with M34 thread). For a road wheel like the E 1800 you use kit number HXYXXX00N7689S to convert to ratchet LN. Kind regards, Kai, DT Swiss
Hi Chuck, thank you for your message. You took a close look on the Video👍 The reason for this move is, if the tool is clamped flat, everything is well guided but if you reach the end of the thread you might scratch the surface of the hubshell. If you turn it 90°, in the middle of the process and clamp it higher, the tool will not touch the hubsurface😇 Just a detail but important. Enjoy riding your Bicycle, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss ah, that makes sense. Another question, I have had trouble getting an upgrade kit in Canada. I finally found one on line coming from Europe. As I understand they can be XD steel or alum housing and 18 or 36 tooth ratchets...but the part number that I have coming specifies XD and "hybrid" and no teeth number! HXYXXX00N5971S. What did I order? My hub is a 2019 370. Thinking I may ordered something that won't work.
Hi Chuck, good you find an online shop with availability. You ordered the Hybrid kit. Hybrid means in DT Swiss terms, reinforced products, especially for e-Bike use. This means those products will have steel freehub bodies. As those bIkes see a lot of torque, with adding the motor power to the power from the leg, those kits are only available with 18teeth. But for sure this kit will work on any Bicycle, the kit is just a little bit heavier. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss great news! Do you know roughly what the weight difference is? I had wanted the steel body anyway, so this is good. I also plan to upgrade to the 54 tooth ratchets so best not to have paid the extra for a 36 steel perhaps?
I converted to a ratchet shimano hub recently, but now I want to try the xd hub. Can I use any dt swiss xd hub or does it have to be the one from this kit?
Hi Ray, thanks for reaching out to us. You need to use a Ratchet LN specific XD freehub body kit: HWYABM00S3766S refers to the aluminum version and HWYABL00S4447S is the steel version. Kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
Hi Chad and thank you for your message. If you take a closer look, you will see there is a specific edge on the ringnut tool, which helps it to have a higher position for the final threads, to avoid the vise surface to scratch the hubshell. In the beginning I clamp the tool leveled down to avoid the tool to slide through the ringnut. in the second step a clamp it higher, to avoid the tool to damage the hubshell. I hope everything is clear now, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hello! I have purchased the upgrade kit as well as the 54T upgrade, however now I have stripped the old 3 Pawl system apart I see the ring nut is very slightly smaller in diameter that the one I have removed. The wheel is a H Canyon 1900 SPLINE 27.5 - 35 mm CL 12/148 mm Shimano. I see mention to 2 different types of nut in a previous comment but my kit only came with 1. Kit: HXYXXX00N3770S. Thanks in advance for your help!
Thank you for reaching out. It sounds like the kit you have is likely for a standard hub, not for the Hybrid versions. The Hybrid kits include two different threaded rings to accommodate the two existing hub versions. If you could please send us the serial number of your hub to service@dtswiss.com, we would be happy to assist you in finding the correct kit.
Hi, do you have any suggestions on how to loosen the ringnut? The wheel is approx 3 years old (C1850) and the ring is extremely tight. Thanks in advance.
I have DTSwiss P 1850 spline which I assume has DT370 hub with 3 Pawl system. Which conversion kit do I need for 36 rachet? Will the bearings is the new freehub change? In general when should an used ring nut be replaced?
Hi DT. Why are you disassembling the bearings? It seems that I can change the ring nuts without taking out the bearings. I'd need new bearings after hammering them out by their inner ring. But there are no bearings included in the upgrade kit. Just makes no sense to me.
Hi Tobias, when disassembling the ringnut it might happen that you will change the positioning of the bearing which is crucial for the proper function. Therefore we recommend to rebuild the complete hub from scratch. As the bearings are not the most expensive part and mostly the hubs has been ridden for a while it might make sense to change them anyway. As we don't want to force people to use our bearings, this is as well just recommended, we decided not to put them in the conversion kit. Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Tobias In most of the cases you can reuse the bearings. But this depends on the specific case. Especially when the hubs have been used for a while it's hard to get them out and the impact might damage them. Stay healhty, Friso "DT Swiss"
Hi, thx for your video and advice, unfortunely I don’t have courage and tools to try to remove the axle but I think I will be able to change only the conversion hub simply removing the old one as install the new one. Could you tell me if I can do it without problems or is necessary removing bearings? Thx best regards
Hi Claudio and thank you for your message. As the three pawl hub has another interface for the freewheel body, you would need to change this as well. This is the reason why you would need to rebuild the whole hub, like shown in the video. If you cannot do this by yourself, I would suggest to get in contact with a local dealer or one of our service centers, to do the rebuild. Friso "DT Swiss".
Do all of the 3-Pawl to Ratchet LN upgrade kits include a freehub body? Some retailers appear to be removing the freehub body from the upgrade kit and then selling the freehub body separately from the upgrade kit. For example, HXYXXX00N3767S and HXYXXX00N7689S
Hi Dan, the ratchets from the classic ratchet system are interchangeable. So yes, you can use all options we offer. The only part which is specific for the Ratchet LN system is the freewheel body with the included seal. Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss Whats the main benefit for the weather seal on the LN? I've got a pawl style freehub body on my gravel, if I wanted to convert to ratchet style freehub engagement system, are the classic and LN freehubs interchangeable, as in can I use classic style on the 370?
Hi, i have a quick question, if i have a e1900 spline wheel with a SRAM XD freehub, and I need to swap to Shimano HG freehub, could i install a Ratchet LN for Shimano conversion kit directly, or do i need anything else ?
Hi and thank you for your message. As you can see in the video you need to disassemble the whole hub and replace the three-pawl hubs, with the special tools. So I would suggest to contact a local dealer to let him do the work for you. Enjoy your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
I have a set of 2013 26" DT Swiss Spline 1900 wheels with two pawl system ; is it posible to upgrade 2 pawl to ratchet system ? if so, what components would be needed? the ratchet LN is ok to upgrade a 2 pawl hub ?
Hi George, as the two pawl system is completely different to the three pawl, a conversion to ratchet is not possible. Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi, i have a Giant SLR 1 wheelset with 3 pawl and I understand that the hubs are dt swiss brand. Can i convert them to ratched? what kit i need? Thank´s
I did this same conversion, and when I put wheel on to bike the hub binder up and cassette will not spin freely. Did I install wrong? Seemed like I did everything right
Hi Bronson, please check if you added all parts in the right order, especially the spacer ring and check if the seal on the freehub body is installed correct. Otherwise, feel free to contact your local DT Swiss dealer or service center: www.dtswiss.com/en/support/dealer-locator, www.dtswiss.com/en/support/service-center Kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
@@dtswiss I have the same issue as described by Bronson here. I have completed the conversion and followed the steps. But when I mount the wheel on the bike and tighten the thru axle, it stops the cassette and hub spinning freely. It seems there is pressure being exerted which is preventing it from spinning freely. I wonder if it is to do with the end cap? Can you advise what I should try to do?
@@0004537w so you have to use the silver shim on the axle and not the black one. The black one comes with the three pawl and the silver one comes with all ratchet system hubs
Hi, if you follow all the steps in the video and/ or in our manual: fal.cn/RachetLN you should not experience any lockup of the system. If you still have problems I would suggest to contact your local DT Swiss dealer or our service center in your region: fal.cn/servicecenter Kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
Hello ! I arrived to the change of my freehub according to this video but my freehub body and spacer were really really stuck on the shaft. Should I change the shaft (plus bearings) or is it normal ? The wheel (a DT X1900 Spline) has 1 year and has approximatively 8000km (a commuting bike). Can the shaft be bent or dilated by the use ?
Hi, In case the axle (shaft) shows wear signs or got damaged during the disassembly we recommend to replace it. Same for the bearings, if they were hard to remove and with 8000km on the back it surely makes sense to replace them as well. Kind regards, Kai, DT Swiss
Will LN freehub bodies be available individually (i.e. not as part of a kit)? I've already done the unofficial conversation to ratchet, but I'd like a driver with the proper seal interface.
Hi Gabe, at the moment you will just get the kits from your dealer. I would suggest to contact a local service center, a list can be found here: www.dtswiss.com/en/support/service-center Maybe they have already separate freewheel bodies available. Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
Wieso ist die entsprechende Nuss nicht Teil des Lieferumfangs, wenn schon ein Spezialwerkzeug benötigt wird, um den innenverzahnten Gewindering herauszuschrauben?
Hi and thank you for your message. I would suggest first of all to contact our service. It is difficult to answer such a question in general for any Customer specific wheel, like the 1850. Enjoy the trails, Friso "DT Swiss".
Could I use this upgrade on my wheels from Canyon Grail 6. It is said that wheels are C 1850 (not 1800, what is the difference?) but i can not find info on free hub type. Please help me with this one. Is it 370 or something else ?
Hi, C 1850 SPLINE wheels are based on a 370 hub with a 3-pawl freehub body. Shortly, a conversion to Ratchet LN freehub technology will become available for road hubs and wheels. Follow us on social media for any updates. Best, Ralf - DT Swiss
Hi and thank you fro your message. You can convert any DT Swiss three pawl hub to the classic ratchet system. you can still use the current 5/135mm endcaps. Enjoy the X-Mas holidays, Friso "DT Swiss".
hello DT, i have a E 1800 SP, W0E1800NIDUSA07128, 3 paw with shimano 11 speed hub. "ring nut steel M35" is for freewheel body? which kit should i use? Ratchet LN Hybrid conversion kit?
@DTSWISS Hii, So i have a set of DT Swiss P 1800 Spline 32 Clincher and I was wondering if I can upgrade to an Rachet LN Kit? Would that work for my wheelset, if so which model name/part? Also, would a 54tooth rachet work with the kit?
Hi @lmaojasonn - thank you for your question. We sent a reply last week but it looks like you weren't tagged properly. Resending our message here: Hi Imaojasonn, yes, you can convert these wheels to Ratchet LN. For the conversion you would need either HXYXXX00N7689S in case your wheels have a Shimano freehub body, HXYXXX00N7690S is used for conversion to SRAM XDR. Both kits come with 18T ratchets but the 54T ratchets are compatible as well. More information about Ratchet LN can be found here: www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology Kind regards, Kai, DT Swiss Let us know if you have any other questions! Best, DT Swiss
@@dtswiss I have a 10 speed cassette, Im planning to upgrade to 11 in the near future! Would the DT Swiss Shimano Freehub Body Shi 11sp HXYXXX00N3767S, work for me running a 10 speed? Also, I found some but it says "11 MTB" would that work with road bikes too?
Hi @lmaojasonn - the MTB freehub body will not work with 11s road cassettes. so if you plan to upgrade to 11s you should use the road freehub body. Kind regards, Kai, DT Swiss
@@dtswiss do you guys have a separate kit for that? if so can you send me the parts number or a link for the LN kit that would fit a 10/11 speed shimano cassette on a road bike? looking to upgrade my DT SWISS P1800 Spline Wheelset! Would that workout?
Hello, I have DT Swiss H1900 Hybrid rear wheel with 3-pawl 370 hub and thrughout 2 years of intensive use, it developed slight problem: when driving on a bike and stop pedalling - the rear wheel spins front chainring (on e-bike). Now I'm planning to convert to Ratchet LN system, and I am thinking I should change the bearings in the hub also (to eliminate any guesswork whether if hub bearings are kaput). I just do not know whether the hub bearings (6902 15x28x7) are the same for other wheels (M 1900 and etc.) or Hybrid hubs use some other bearings? Thanks in advance :)
Hi there! You can find information on spare parts in our product support tool: www.dtswiss.com/en/support/product-support Kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
Congratulations on the video. My question is this. I have some silverston 2.5 syncros wheels, and it's a ratchet system. Is it also useful for converting to ratchet?
Hi! Why are there 2 (two) threader ring nuts for ratchet in this kit (I am not talking about the ratchets themselves)? On 0:22 they are positioned above the springs.
Hi Marcus and thank you for your message. You will find an overview of all available Ratchet LN Kits, to convert DT Swiss three Pawl hubs, here: www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology You would need the Shimano road kit for Shimano 11 / 12 speed road cassettes. Enjoy riding your Bicycle, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Marcus, yes there is just one Shimano road Kit. At the moment there is as well no option for a kit including the 36t ratchets. Stay healthy, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Friso, I have a traditional 3 pawls Sram XD free hub that is installed on a 370 hub. My question is if I can use the same free hub 3 pawls (trying to disassemble the pawls from the free hub body)?? Or will it be necessary to change the whole system?? What exactly are the new parts that will come in the LN kit to install on the 370 hub?? Waiting for your reply, thank you.
Hi and thank you for your message. For a conversion you will need urgently the specific ratchet LN freewheel body. The conversion kit will include: - Freewheel Body - 2 ratchets - 2 springs - specific ratchet spacer - Ratchet steel ringnut - Shim ring - Tube DT Swiss special grease Have a nice week-end, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Pawel and thank you for your message. We do not sell direct. You can get our products from any Dealer. To find a local Dealer it might be helpful to contact the DT Swiss distribution partner in your country. Enjoy riding your Bicycle, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Paulo, the conversion to Ratchet LN is currently only possible with MTB wheels. We are working on a road wheel solution, which will be presented upon release. Follow us on social media and through the press. Best, Ralf - DT Swiss
Hi Giovanni, thank you for your question which is well justified. It would be possible and just remove and replace the ringnut, Yes. But as most of the people would do this conversion with an used wheel, it makes sense to remove everything and check, if for example it would make sense to change the bearings as well. When you just do the "conversion" and you recognize afterwards that the bearings has play, you will do the work twice. So this I why we suggest to disassemble the whole hub. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss thanks a lot for your explanation dear Friso and it makes very well sense to replace the bearings, my question was exactly related for a new hub in case I want pass from 36T to 54T which is my case, I just purchased the 240exp hub and I want just upgrade to 54T so thanks a lot for your reply 👍
Hi, i can not get the DT Swiss 3 Pawl Tool to fit in my Hub from the G1800 Spline Wheelset. The Teeth Engage but the tool is oversized by a few thou. What should i do now?
Hi Moritz, this sounds to me that you got the wrong tool. Please stop trying to open the ringnut with this tool. The original 3-pawl tool will fit precisely into the ringnut. The tool for the pawl ringnut is different to the one for the ratchet ones, which is the reason I show both tools in the video. Your description sounds to me like you're using the ratchet ringnut tool. If you're not sure that you got the right tool, check with an experienced dealer. Friso"DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss We are a DT Swiss Dealer, so I am using the correct tool, or at least im confident at it. The Serial Code ends in 5266S. In theory this hub should be convertible, or am I missing something? I will try a different Shops tool today, if that does not work I'm not sure what will.
Hi Moritz it was just guessing from my side, as troubleshooting is difficult from the office🤔 The article number seems to be the correct one. I hope you can fix it. Friso "DT Swiss".
XDR? This video/kits only mention XD. I have these wheels, which kit to order? I have Force AXS with this DT Swiss G 1800 Spline® 25 27.5" Disc Wheelset with XDR mounted.
Hi Crion88 and thank you for your message. At the moment we just offer the mtb conversion kits. The Road version will come as well but the timeline is not finally decided. Please check out on a regular base our news to see when the road versions are available. Enjoy your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Freem Dog, thank you for your message. Currently, we offer the conversion sets for MTB hubs only. The road version will come as well but the timeline is not finally decided. Follow us on social media and in the relevant media to see when the road versions are available. Enjoy your ride, Ralf - DT Swiss
Hi Dean and thank you for your message. You will urgently need a vise and the specific ringnut tool. As the ringnut is hard to open, it will not work with open end wrenches for example. If you don't have the special tools, it would be better to contact an experienced dealer or one of our service centers. A service center list can be found on our website. Stay healthy, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss Thanks for your response. I can understand the need for a vise and of course the ringnut tools but, my question was are the BEARING TOOLS essential? I don't see them listed in the tools required in the DT Swiss technical manual for this conversion.
Hi Dean, yes you will need the bearing tools. The list in the video will mostly provide the article numbers of the new specific DT Swiss tools you will need. A list with all of the needed tools can be find in the technical manual on the website. Friso "DT Swiss".
Thanks for the video. I am looking for increased POE from my 3 pawl DT Swiss hub - currently 24. The Ratchet conversion kit (HXYXXX00N5971S) appears to be substantially the same or maybe even less POE that my current 3 pawl system. In the comments below, it looks like there is an option for an upgrade to a 54 tooth ratchet (assuming, that equates to a 54 POE?). Do you have a conversion kit that includes the 54t ratchet option or is it a separate upgrade kit? In other words, can I purchase a single upgrade kit that will convert from 3 pawl to 54t ratchet (if so, what is the part number) or do I need two kits (ratchet conversion like listed above for XD driver + 54t ratchet)? Huge thanks!
Hi Mike We offer two different Ratchet LN upgrade kits: the standard kit with 18T Ratchets and the 36T SL Ratchet kit. Please check all available kits on this website: www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology We don`t offer a Ratchet LN kit with 54T SL Ratchets included. But yes, you can do the upgrade to 54T SL Ratchets with the separate service kit: HWTXXX00NSK54S. Best regards, David, DT Swiss
Hi. I have a problem with removing spacer. It's locked inside and there is no way to remove it. I try to remove grease and using a tool like a gripper but there is no way to remove it.. What you suggest me? In this video, spacer is easy to remove, in my hub not
Hi Riccardo and thank you for your question. I think you are talking about the spacer which sits on the axle to guarantee the right space. If you cannot get it off by hand, it's tricky. There are two options: 1. Go to an experienced Mechanic in a local bikeshop 2. If you have the complete tool kit from DT Swiss you can push the axle through the spacer with the tool: HXTXXX00N5031S I hope you had a good start in the new year 2022, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Miguel, the conversion kits for 3-pawl to Ratchet LN are currently only available for MTB products. A designated kit for road wheels will follow, but the timeline for this has not been fixed yet. The offered Ratchet LN kits will not work correctly for the 1800 wheels. Best, Ralf - DT Swiss
Hello. I have a DT Swiss X 1900 Spline DB25 wheelset; 12x148mm, Shimano MICRO SPLINE 12 speed. I want to do this procedure. Where are the spare parts? I can't find them on the site.
Hi Tonna, thank your for your interest. Aas we do not sell directly, you would need to contact your local dealer to order the articles, showed in the video. Stay healthy, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Robin and thank you for your interest. If you would like to get the bearing tools from us, you will find a list with all part numbers in the manual on the website: www.dtswiss.com/pmt/00/00/00/00/00/00/00/10/00/00/03/77/5/MAN_HXD10000003775S_WEB_EN_001.pdf Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss Hi Friso! I bought ratchet LN conversion kit and I wanted to convert 3 pawls to ratchet LN but I am stuck with removing the 3pawl ring nut. I have an original ringnut tool and a vice (as shown in the video) I am not able to unscrew the ring nut. I cannot even knock out the bearings. Theay are seized. A penetraiting oil (WD-40) does not help either. Any tips please?
Hi Robin thank you for your message. You will find a list with all tools in the manuals for our hubs: www.dtswiss.com/en/support/manuals Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Silverhaze, when I use any online search engine I can find many shops offering this kit. But maybe it is not available everywhere. Where exactly it is available when, this question I cannot answer you. I would suggest to contact your dealer for local availability. Have a nice week, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hello, I would like to buy the tools for bearing replacement on my E1900 wheelset. As far as I can see you’re working on an M1900 wheel in the video. You would mind sharing the tools you used for bearing replacement in this video?
Hi, the tools are all visible in the related manuals, which you can find on our website: www.dtswiss.com/pmt/00/00/00/00/00/00/00/10/00/00/00/89/6/MAN_WXD10000000896S_WEB_EN_001.pdf www.dtswiss.com/pmt/00/00/00/00/00/00/00/10/00/00/00/89/7/MAN_WXD10000000897S_WEB_EN_001.pdf As many people do already have those bearing tools from us or other manufacturers, we've been focused on the specific tools you will only get from us. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi MrAgent, I'm still using this tool and it is still part of the complete toolkit for 240 Hubs. You can do the job without, the article number of the tool is HXTXXX00N5031S. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
3 года назад+1
Well. I bent my wheel axle trying to get the old ring nut. It's not that easy to remove the ring nut as you show in the video. Not even with a extra, 1 meter long bar tied to the wheel I was able to get it loose.
3 года назад
Update. The tool broke in the vise, and destroyed the wheelaxle!
Hi Marcus, we are sorry to hear that you had issues removing your thread ring. It can indeed be very hard to remove but normally it works without breaking the tool. Could you please contact us on service@dtswiss.com, kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
I have to rebut this comment because it bears mentioning.@ the tool didn't "break the vise!" Your vise wasn't up to the task. That isn't on DT/Swiss. That's on you. Sorry, but it's crazy that you'd blame DT for crappy tools in your shop. Sure, perhaps DT could mention in their video, "You will need a QUALITY vise, as very high torque loads may be required to complete this upgrade." But then again, what else should they say? "Make sure your workbench is strong enough to support your vise?" My axle bent because my workbench collapsed when my vise twisted it into a pretzel! "Have good light in your shop." "Don't attempt this while drunk." "Don't smoke a cigarette and have open cans of gasoline in your shop." The list would be endless. Anyone who has experience in a shop environment should have basic knowledge of what's required to perform all manner of repair jobs. It's not DT/Swiss's job to make sure you aren't incompetent! Removing tandem freewheels back in the day caused all sorts of tool failure and shop mayhem, but we didn't blame the manufacturers!!!
Hi Krisna, the R470db is just a rim from DT Swiss and is not related to the used hub. You would need to identify the hub first. If the rear hub being used in your wheel is a DT Swiss 3-Pawl hub, then you can do the conversion. Stay healthy, Friso "DT Swiss".
HI Krisna, we offer a service kit for our 3-pawl hubs, the article number is HWTXXX00NSK3PS and can be ordered from every dealer from our distribution partners. You can use as well any online search engine by using words like "service kit DT Swiss pawl". With your local dealer you can check as well, if it would make sense to do the upgrade to a ratchet hub. To identify your hub, if you cannot find an official DT Name on it, you would need to ask the producer of the Bike. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
HI Ricardo and thank you for your message. The ideo this conversion is to improve the reliability. The hub will sound different after but I don't think it will be louder 🤔 Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Mark and thank you for your message. The conversion in the video is made with a Shimano HG freehub body as an example. But there are as well SRAm XD conversion kits available. The steps will be exactly the same, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Gaetan and thank your for your message. Regarding OEM or Private Label variations of our 3-Pawl hubs, you would need to contact our service: service.ch@dtswiss.com The colleagues thee can check with the serial number of the hub, if a conversion is possible. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
HI Kevin and thank you for your message. Yes, this conversion will work for the "360" as well, as the internal name is every time 370 for all of our 3-pawl hubs. Friso "DT Swiss".
Here you can find a list of all kit available, it depends on which drive drain system you have: www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology
I "love" these tutorial videos where they use ever single "special tool" to do the job. They could show some diy methods of doing this so that we don't have to spend a lot of money on these "special tools". Also, a better angle for some parts of the process would be nice.
Watched another video of this conversion where the guy explained he could 1) buy the special tools at a high cost for one use, 2) order cheaper special tools from China and wait a few weeks for delivery, or 3) go down to his local bike shop and have them do it in about five minutes. He opted to take his wheel to his LBS to have them swap the rings with their special tools. He then did the rest of the conversion himself.
Yeah it’s almost like the manufacturer is showing you the tools they actually manufacturer for their own hubs which make the process trouble free with very little margin for error….Unlike smashing away with taps and sockets damaging the bearing seats, axles etc. Yea the dt Swiss tool set is mega expensive but lots of cheap alternatives.
Hi Piotr and thank your for your question. You will find the pliers I'm using in the Video on the website of Knipex: www.knipex.com/en-uk/products/pipe-wrenches-and-water-pump-pliers Enjoy the trails with your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss":
Hi Melkon, all our products are available from the worldwide dealer network of our distributors. A list can be found on our website: www.dtswiss.com You can check with your dealer or distributor about the local availability. Stay healthy, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Carlos, if the hubs in your Giant wheelset are DT Swiss 3-pawl hubs, there might be the option to convert them. As the private label versions got sometimes a different hubshell shape this cannot be guaranteed in general. I would suggest to contact one of our service centers to make sure a conversion is possible (www.dtswiss.com/en/support/service-center). Or write an e-mail: service.ch@dtswiss.com be aware to have the serial number of the hub ready for the colleagues. Here is a Video on how-to find the serial number: ruclips.net/video/1eNFxhTTTU4/видео.html Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
I just got a 2022 Yeti sb115 with M1900 Spline wheels with DT Swiss 370 Ratchet LN 18 and it is not loud as well. It doesn’t have the tinging high pitch sound. Also when I lift up the saddle with my right and holding it then rotate the wheel forward and place my left hand on the chainstay I can feel some slight vibrations as well as on the saddle while my right hand is still lifting it. ruclips.net/video/wuFnOdLltgs/видео.html
So it’s $90 to convert the 370 to ratchet and then another $90 to upgrade to a measly 54t. Plus tools. So basically $250 to get 36POE. I’ll buy a hope for that price. What a rip.
Hi @vrod2 - yes unfortunately there was an error that removed part of the audio. As it is just background music & many people continue to use this video for support, we decided not to reupload it. Hopefully you can still enjoy the video without the initial music. 🙂 All the best, Alyssa, DT Swiss
Cuidado con estas referencias porque estas son de aluminio, si vas a montar como es mi caso es una ebike, debes comprar los de acero y es otra referencia.
Hello, is there any way to convert my 370 3-pawl hub to campy Ekar freehub? I see there is no specific kit but wondering if it would work with the conversion kit + Ekar freehub body + seal? Thank you, Gary
WARNING: AUDIO STARTS AT 2:20
Legendary comment 😂
Also at 6:57 🤨
LMAO, I reconnected my headphones twice before reading this comment
DT you are killing me sending these kits out to shops with 18T ratchets... if anyone is going to spend the money to upgrade from 3-pawl to ratchet, why wouldn't you just give them to option to buy the conversion directly to 54t?
buying the conversion AND the 54t upgrade is getting into 'just buy a new hub' territory. can y'all please just send the conversion out with the 54t rings in it already!
Why do you have to unclamp the ringnut tool and turn it 90 degrees at 4:27? Am I missing something?
Hi and thank you for your comment. In the production lifetime of our eMTB specific H1900 wheels we had a change in thread diameter for the specific three pawl hubs being used in this wheel. To avoid any confusion we decided to put both available diameters for the ringnut in the conversion kit. This means there is the right ringnut for any DT Swiss three pawl hub included. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
Why take out and then replace the bearings? Why turn the insertion tool through 90degs in the vice before tightening after you’ve just wound down to nip tight?
Hi and thank you for your message. The reason is, we just wanted to offer one kit for any three pawl hub. For the SPLINE H1900 wheels we had a running change for the thread, the second generation got a bigger one. Therefore there are two rings in the kit but just one is needed ( the one which will fit your hub ). I hope you will have a good year 2022, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hello! I recently had my bike service and have a set of the M1900. The bike shop told me since it is a 3 pawl, I am unable to to upgrade to ratchet. Seeing this video reignited my desire again for the conversion. Based on my microspline, I would need the ‘3770S conversion kit. Thank you for making this video.
Hi Imaojasonn, yes, you can convert these wheels to Ratchet LN. For the conversion you would need either HXYXXX00N7689S in case your wheels have a Shimano freehub body, HXYXXX00N7690S is used for conversion to SRAM XDR. Both kits come with 18T ratchets but the 54T ratchets are compatible as well.
More information about Ratchet LN can be found here:
www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology
Kind regards, Kai, DT Swiss
Hey Frisco, Is there a kit available to do it the other way around - Ratchet to 3 Pawl as I prefer the quieter 3 Pawl design. Have a DT Swiss 350/370 on a Giant wheelset.
Hi Tamas and thank you for your message. As shown in the video the ringnut is screwed in the regular way. When pedaling your screwing in the nut. As the driveside is downwards, you need to turn it counterclockwise to open the ringnut. I hope this will help, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi! Thank you for the informational video. I have a Shimano SLX cassette. What upgrade kit would I have to buy?
Thank you!
Hi Oscar, you would need to check with Shimano with Hub interface is needed, with tis information you can see on our website article number of the needed conversion kit:
www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology
Enjoy the trails, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi, ringnut steel M35 is for hybrid wheels which have a M35 3 pawl ringnut (there are models with M34 and models with M34 thread).
For a road wheel like the E 1800 you use kit number HXYXXX00N7689S to convert to ratchet LN.
Kind regards, Kai, DT Swiss
Great video, can you tell me why at 4:29 you stop and turn the tool 90 degrees, then continue the same turning process? Seems strange.
Hi Chuck, thank you for your message. You took a close look on the Video👍 The reason for this move is, if the tool is clamped flat, everything is well guided but if you reach the end of the thread you might scratch the surface of the hubshell. If you turn it 90°, in the middle of the process and clamp it higher, the tool will not touch the hubsurface😇 Just a detail but important. Enjoy riding your Bicycle, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss ah, that makes sense. Another question, I have had trouble getting an upgrade kit in Canada. I finally found one on line coming from Europe. As I understand they can be XD steel or alum housing and 18 or 36 tooth ratchets...but the part number that I have coming specifies XD and "hybrid" and no teeth number! HXYXXX00N5971S. What did I order? My hub is a 2019 370. Thinking I may ordered something that won't work.
Hi Chuck, good you find an online shop with availability. You ordered the Hybrid kit. Hybrid means in DT Swiss terms, reinforced products, especially for e-Bike use. This means those products will have steel freehub bodies. As those bIkes see a lot of torque, with adding the motor power to the power from the leg, those kits are only available with 18teeth. But for sure this kit will work on any Bicycle, the kit is just a little bit heavier. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss great news! Do you know roughly what the weight difference is? I had wanted the steel body anyway, so this is good. I also plan to upgrade to the 54 tooth ratchets so best not to have paid the extra for a 36 steel perhaps?
HI again Chuck, the difference is roughly 40g. Friso "DT Swiss".
I converted to a ratchet shimano hub recently, but now I want to try the xd hub. Can I use any dt swiss xd hub or does it have to be the one from this kit?
Hi Ray, thanks for reaching out to us. You need to use a Ratchet LN specific XD freehub body kit: HWYABM00S3766S refers to the aluminum version and HWYABL00S4447S is the steel version. Kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
Hi Chad and thank you for your message. If you take a closer look, you will see there is a specific edge on the ringnut tool, which helps it to have a higher position for the final threads, to avoid the vise surface to scratch the hubshell. In the beginning I clamp the tool leveled down to avoid the tool to slide through the ringnut. in the second step a clamp it higher, to avoid the tool to damage the hubshell. I hope everything is clear now, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hello! I have purchased the upgrade kit as well as the 54T upgrade, however now I have stripped the old 3 Pawl system apart I see the ring nut is very slightly smaller in diameter that the one I have removed. The wheel is a H Canyon 1900 SPLINE 27.5 - 35 mm CL 12/148 mm Shimano. I see mention to 2 different types of nut in a previous comment but my kit only came with 1. Kit: HXYXXX00N3770S. Thanks in advance for your help!
Thank you for reaching out. It sounds like the kit you have is likely for a standard hub, not for the Hybrid versions. The Hybrid kits include two different threaded rings to accommodate the two existing hub versions.
If you could please send us the serial number of your hub to service@dtswiss.com, we would be happy to assist you in finding the correct kit.
Hi, do you have any suggestions on how to loosen the ringnut? The wheel is approx 3 years old (C1850) and the ring is extremely tight. Thanks in advance.
I have DTSwiss P 1850 spline which I assume has DT370 hub with 3 Pawl system. Which conversion kit do I need for 36 rachet? Will the bearings is the new freehub change? In general when should an used ring nut be replaced?
Hi DT. Why are you disassembling the bearings? It seems that I can change the ring nuts without taking out the bearings. I'd need new bearings after hammering them out by their inner ring. But there are no bearings included in the upgrade kit. Just makes no sense to me.
Hi Tobias, when disassembling the ringnut it might happen that you will change the positioning of the bearing which is crucial for the proper function. Therefore we recommend to rebuild the complete hub from scratch. As the bearings are not the most expensive part and mostly the hubs has been ridden for a while it might make sense to change them anyway. As we don't want to force people to use our bearings, this is as well just recommended, we decided not to put them in the conversion kit. Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss thanks folks. Can I use the used bearings after hammering them out with the axle or should I get new ones?
Hi Tobias
In most of the cases you can reuse the bearings. But this depends on the specific case. Especially when the hubs have been used for a while it's hard to get them out and the impact might damage them. Stay healhty, Friso "DT Swiss"
@@dtswiss thanks a lot for the helpful support! Good job!
@@dtswiss I just tried to get the ring it out of a C1850 rear wheel. No luck the nut is tight as hell. Is the C1850 wheelset compatible?
Hi, thx for your video and advice, unfortunely I don’t have courage and tools to try to remove the axle but I think I will be able to change only the conversion hub simply removing the old one as install the new one. Could you tell me if I can do it without problems or is necessary removing bearings? Thx best regards
Hi Claudio and thank you for your message. As the three pawl hub has another interface for the freewheel body, you would need to change this as well. This is the reason why you would need to rebuild the whole hub, like shown in the video. If you cannot do this by yourself, I would suggest to get in contact with a local dealer or one of our service centers, to do the rebuild. Friso "DT Swiss".
Do all of the 3-Pawl to Ratchet LN upgrade kits include a freehub body? Some retailers appear to be removing the freehub body from the upgrade kit and then selling the freehub body separately from the upgrade kit. For example, HXYXXX00N3767S and HXYXXX00N7689S
What's point of removing the bearings and the axle? For the conversion you only need to replace the ringnut, right?
Correct, they are just taking the opportunity to replace the bearings while having the ring out.
Hi @dtswiss what Ratchet LN model # should i get to convert my DT Swiss 1850c spline 3pawl hub to a ratchet system? is it already available?
What is the hub on "dt swiss r470" wheelset on sl7 bike ?
What kind of ring nut removel tool de i need for sram hubs?
When upgrading from 3 pawls to this kit, can you use the 36t or 54t ratchets...or can you only use the 18t?
Hi Dan, the ratchets from the classic ratchet system are interchangeable. So yes, you can use all options we offer. The only part which is specific for the Ratchet LN system is the freewheel body with the included seal. Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss Whats the main benefit for the weather seal on the LN? I've got a pawl style freehub body on my gravel, if I wanted to convert to ratchet style freehub engagement system, are the classic and LN freehubs interchangeable, as in can I use classic style on the 370?
Hola , tengo unos ruedos x1900 body hg , que tipo de kit de convercion necesitó??
Hi, i have a quick question, if i have a e1900 spline wheel with a SRAM XD freehub, and I need to swap to Shimano HG freehub, could i install a Ratchet LN for Shimano conversion kit directly, or do i need anything else ?
Hi and thank you for your message. As you can see in the video you need to disassemble the whole hub and replace the three-pawl hubs, with the special tools. So I would suggest to contact a local dealer to let him do the work for you. Enjoy your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi, I have a 350 ratchet hub with a shimano freehub body. Is this freehub compatible with a Ratchet LN hub? Thank you!
I have a set of 2013 26" DT Swiss Spline 1900 wheels with two pawl system ; is it posible to upgrade 2 pawl to ratchet system ? if so, what components would be needed? the ratchet LN is ok to upgrade a 2 pawl hub ?
Hi George, as the two pawl system is completely different to the three pawl, a conversion to ratchet is not possible. Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi, i have a Giant SLR 1 wheelset with 3 pawl and I understand that the hubs are dt swiss brand. Can i convert them to ratched? what kit i need? Thank´s
I did this same conversion, and when I put wheel on to bike the hub binder up and cassette will not spin freely. Did I install wrong? Seemed like I did everything right
Hi Bronson, please check if you added all parts in the right order, especially the spacer ring and check if the seal on the freehub body is installed correct. Otherwise, feel free to contact your local DT Swiss dealer or service center: www.dtswiss.com/en/support/dealer-locator, www.dtswiss.com/en/support/service-center Kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
Hi Bronson - did you sort this issue? I have just done the conversion and found the same problem. Please let me know. Thanks!
@@dtswiss I have the same issue as described by Bronson here. I have completed the conversion and followed the steps. But when I mount the wheel on the bike and tighten the thru axle, it stops the cassette and hub spinning freely. It seems there is pressure being exerted which is preventing it from spinning freely. I wonder if it is to do with the end cap? Can you advise what I should try to do?
@@0004537w so you have to use the silver shim on the axle and not the black one. The black one comes with the three pawl and the silver one comes with all ratchet system hubs
Hi, if you follow all the steps in the video and/ or in our manual: fal.cn/RachetLN
you should not experience any lockup of the system. If you still have problems I would suggest to contact your local DT Swiss dealer or our service center in your region: fal.cn/servicecenter
Kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
hello there, i ordered theHXYXXX00N5968S kit. but does that include the body? Regards from the Netherlands
Hi Ivo, yes, in the kit you ordered there is a microspline compatible body included. Kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
Hello !
I arrived to the change of my freehub according to this video but my freehub body and spacer were really really stuck on the shaft. Should I change the shaft (plus bearings) or is it normal ? The wheel (a DT X1900 Spline) has 1 year and has approximatively 8000km (a commuting bike). Can the shaft be bent or dilated by the use ?
Hi,
In case the axle (shaft) shows wear signs or got damaged during the disassembly we recommend to replace it. Same for the bearings, if they were hard to remove and with 8000km on the back it surely makes sense to replace them as well.
Kind regards, Kai, DT Swiss
Will LN freehub bodies be available individually (i.e. not as part of a kit)? I've already done the unofficial conversation to ratchet, but I'd like a driver with the proper seal interface.
Hi Gabe, at the moment you will just get the kits from your dealer. I would suggest to contact a local service center, a list can be found here: www.dtswiss.com/en/support/service-center
Maybe they have already separate freewheel bodies available. Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
How do I know if I need the steel or aluminum FH body?
Wieso ist die entsprechende Nuss nicht Teil des Lieferumfangs, wenn schon ein Spezialwerkzeug benötigt wird, um den innenverzahnten Gewindering herauszuschrauben?
Can I do this to my Dt Swiss 1850 rims with the spline hubs?
Hi and thank you for your message. I would suggest first of all to contact our service. It is difficult to answer such a question in general for any Customer specific wheel, like the 1850. Enjoy the trails, Friso "DT Swiss".
Could I use this upgrade on my wheels from Canyon Grail 6. It is said that wheels are C 1850 (not 1800, what is the difference?) but i can not find info on free hub type. Please help me with this one. Is it 370 or something else ?
Hi, C 1850 SPLINE wheels are based on a 370 hub with a 3-pawl freehub body. Shortly, a conversion to Ratchet LN freehub technology will become available for road hubs and wheels. Follow us on social media for any updates. Best, Ralf - DT Swiss
Is this already available now?
@@dtswiss any updates on the availability of this conversion kit for 1850 C spline?
I have x1900 with the 3 pawl hub and the conversion to 135mm qr. can I fit this hub?
Hi and thank you fro your message. You can convert any DT Swiss three pawl hub to the classic ratchet system. you can still use the current 5/135mm endcaps. Enjoy the X-Mas holidays, Friso "DT Swiss".
hello DT, i have a E 1800 SP, W0E1800NIDUSA07128, 3 paw with shimano 11 speed hub.
"ring nut steel M35" is for freewheel body?
which kit should i use? Ratchet LN Hybrid conversion kit?
@DTSWISS Hii, So i have a set of DT Swiss P 1800 Spline 32 Clincher and I was wondering if I can upgrade to an Rachet LN Kit? Would that work for my wheelset, if so which model name/part? Also, would a 54tooth rachet work with the kit?
@DT SWISS
Hi @lmaojasonn - thank you for your question. We sent a reply last week but it looks like you weren't tagged properly. Resending our message here:
Hi Imaojasonn, yes, you can convert these wheels to Ratchet LN. For the conversion you would need either HXYXXX00N7689S in case your wheels have a Shimano freehub body, HXYXXX00N7690S is used for conversion to SRAM XDR. Both kits come with 18T ratchets but the 54T ratchets are compatible as well.
More information about Ratchet LN can be found here:
www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology
Kind regards, Kai, DT Swiss
Let us know if you have any other questions!
Best,
DT Swiss
@@dtswiss I have a 10 speed cassette, Im planning to upgrade to 11 in the near future! Would the DT Swiss Shimano Freehub Body Shi 11sp HXYXXX00N3767S, work for me running a 10 speed? Also, I found some but it says "11 MTB" would that work with road bikes too?
Hi @lmaojasonn - the MTB freehub body will not work with 11s road cassettes. so if you plan to upgrade to 11s you should use the road freehub body.
Kind regards, Kai, DT Swiss
@@dtswiss do you guys have a separate kit for that? if so can you send me the parts number or a link for the LN kit that would fit a 10/11 speed shimano cassette on a road bike? looking to upgrade my DT SWISS P1800 Spline Wheelset! Would that workout?
Hello, I have DT Swiss H1900 Hybrid rear wheel with 3-pawl 370 hub and thrughout 2 years of intensive use, it developed slight problem: when driving on a bike and stop pedalling - the rear wheel spins front chainring (on e-bike). Now I'm planning to convert to Ratchet LN system, and I am thinking I should change the bearings in the hub also (to eliminate any guesswork whether if hub bearings are kaput). I just do not know whether the hub bearings (6902 15x28x7) are the same for other wheels (M 1900 and etc.) or Hybrid hubs use some other bearings? Thanks in advance :)
Hi there! You can find information on spare parts in our product support tool: www.dtswiss.com/en/support/product-support Kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
Does it use the same end cap?
Congratulations on the video. My question is this. I have some silverston 2.5 syncros wheels, and it's a ratchet system. Is it also useful for converting to ratchet?
Hi! Why are there 2 (two) threader ring nuts for ratchet in this kit (I am not talking about the ratchets themselves)? On 0:22 they are positioned above the springs.
that's the ratchet system man, two ratchet rings instead pawls
Is there an option for 12 speed Shimano road wheels (Reserve wheels with DT370 hub)?
Hi Marcus and thank you for your message. You will find an overview of all available Ratchet LN Kits, to convert DT Swiss three Pawl hubs, here:
www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology
You would need the Shimano road kit for Shimano 11 / 12 speed road cassettes. Enjoy riding your Bicycle, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss thank you. Looks like there’s only one Road option for Shimano, is that right? Do you offer a 36T kit for road like you do for MTB?
Hi Marcus, yes there is just one Shimano road Kit. At the moment there is as well no option for a kit including the 36t ratchets. Stay healthy, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Friso, I have a traditional 3 pawls Sram XD free hub that is installed on a 370 hub. My question is if I can use the same free hub 3 pawls (trying to disassemble the pawls from the free hub body)?? Or will it be necessary to change the whole system??
What exactly are the new parts that will come in the LN kit to install on the 370 hub??
Waiting for your reply, thank you.
Hi and thank you for your message. For a conversion you will need urgently the specific ratchet LN freewheel body. The conversion kit will include:
- Freewheel Body
- 2 ratchets
- 2 springs
- specific ratchet spacer
- Ratchet steel ringnut
- Shim ring
- Tube DT Swiss special grease
Have a nice week-end, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss Thank You Friso, Have a nice week-end you too
where can I purchase this kit, I cannot seem to find on your website
Hi Pawel and thank you for your message. We do not sell direct. You can get our products from any Dealer. To find a local Dealer it might be helpful to contact the DT Swiss distribution partner in your country. Enjoy riding your Bicycle, Friso "DT Swiss".
i have a dt swiss e1800 wheelset, i think the hubs are 350 on 3 pawls..will this conversion work for me?
Hi Paulo, the conversion to Ratchet LN is currently only possible with MTB wheels. We are working on a road wheel solution, which will be presented upon release. Follow us on social media and through the press. Best, Ralf - DT Swiss
Lo que no entiendo... es necesario sacar los rodamientos para hacer el cambio a ratchet?
Nop
Funciona en los giant slr 2 ?
Why need to remove all bearings instead to remove only the old screwed part with the special tool and just install the new ratchet kit?
I’m wondering the same thing
Hi Giovanni, thank you for your question which is well justified. It would be possible and just remove and replace the ringnut, Yes. But as most of the people would do this conversion with an used wheel, it makes sense to remove everything and check, if for example it would make sense to change the bearings as well. When you just do the "conversion" and you recognize afterwards that the bearings has play, you will do the work twice. So this I why we suggest to disassemble the whole hub. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss thanks a lot for your explanation dear Friso and it makes very well sense to replace the bearings, my question was exactly related for a new hub in case I want pass from 36T to 54T which is my case, I just purchased the 240exp hub and I want just upgrade to 54T so thanks a lot for your reply 👍
What is different of 3 pawl and ratchet?
Hi, i can not get the DT Swiss 3 Pawl Tool to fit in my Hub from the G1800 Spline Wheelset. The Teeth Engage but the tool is oversized by a few thou. What should i do now?
Hi Moritz, this sounds to me that you got the wrong tool. Please stop trying to open the ringnut with this tool. The original 3-pawl tool will fit precisely into the ringnut. The tool for the pawl ringnut is different to the one for the ratchet ones, which is the reason I show both tools in the video. Your description sounds to me like you're using the ratchet ringnut tool. If you're not sure that you got the right tool, check with an experienced dealer. Friso"DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss We are a DT Swiss Dealer, so I am using the correct tool, or at least im confident at it. The Serial Code ends in 5266S. In theory this hub should be convertible, or am I missing something? I will try a different Shops tool today, if that does not work I'm not sure what will.
Hi Moritz it was just guessing from my side, as troubleshooting is difficult from the office🤔 The article number seems to be the correct one. I hope you can fix it. Friso "DT Swiss".
XDR? This video/kits only mention XD. I have these wheels, which kit to order? I have Force AXS with this DT Swiss
G 1800 Spline® 25 27.5" Disc Wheelset with XDR mounted.
Hi Crion88 and thank you for your message. At the moment we just offer the mtb conversion kits. The Road version will come as well but the timeline is not finally decided. Please check out on a regular base our news to see when the road versions are available. Enjoy your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss Is there any news regarding the Road version? Possible release date?
Hi Freem Dog, thank you for your message. Currently, we offer the conversion sets for MTB hubs only. The road version will come as well but the timeline is not finally decided. Follow us on social media and in the relevant media to see when the road versions are available. Enjoy your ride, Ralf - DT Swiss
Can I do this without a vise? Also without the bearing tools? Are these absolutely necessary?
Hi Dean and thank you for your message. You will urgently need a vise and the specific ringnut tool. As the ringnut is hard to open, it will not work with open end wrenches for example. If you don't have the special tools, it would be better to contact an experienced dealer or one of our service centers. A service center list can be found on our website. Stay healthy, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss Thanks for your response. I can understand the need for a vise and of course the ringnut tools but, my question was are the BEARING TOOLS essential? I don't see them listed in the tools required in the DT Swiss technical manual for this conversion.
Hi Dean, yes you will need the bearing tools. The list in the video will mostly provide the article numbers of the new specific DT Swiss tools you will need. A list with all of the needed tools can be find in the technical manual on the website. Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss I guess my real question is : Is it necessary to remove the bearings to perform the conversion to ratchet?
@@90041hood I know it's been a few months- but NO, you don't need to remove the bearings to perform the conversion. It's just a maintenance step.
Thanks for the video. I am looking for increased POE from my 3 pawl DT Swiss hub - currently 24. The Ratchet conversion kit (HXYXXX00N5971S) appears to be substantially the same or maybe even less POE that my current 3 pawl system. In the comments below, it looks like there is an option for an upgrade to a 54 tooth ratchet (assuming, that equates to a 54 POE?). Do you have a conversion kit that includes the 54t ratchet option or is it a separate upgrade kit? In other words, can I purchase a single upgrade kit that will convert from 3 pawl to 54t ratchet (if so, what is the part number) or do I need two kits (ratchet conversion like listed above for XD driver + 54t ratchet)? Huge thanks!
Hi Mike
We offer two different Ratchet LN upgrade kits: the standard kit with 18T Ratchets and the 36T SL Ratchet kit. Please check all available kits on this website: www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology
We don`t offer a Ratchet LN kit with 54T SL Ratchets included. But yes, you can do the upgrade to 54T SL Ratchets with the separate service kit: HWTXXX00NSK54S.
Best regards, David, DT Swiss
Hi. I have a problem with removing spacer. It's locked inside and there is no way to remove it. I try to remove grease and using a tool like a gripper but there is no way to remove it.. What you suggest me? In this video, spacer is easy to remove, in my hub not
Hi Riccardo and thank you for your question. I think you are talking about the spacer which sits on the axle to guarantee the right space. If you cannot get it off by hand, it's tricky. There are two options:
1. Go to an experienced Mechanic in a local bikeshop
2. If you have the complete tool kit from DT Swiss you can push the axle through the spacer with the tool: HXTXXX00N5031S
I hope you had a good start in the new year 2022, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss I don't have DT swiss tool kit but I have similar tool to remove the spacer correctly, I will try using method 2, Thank you.
Anybody please which kit do I need for the p1800 they come with the 3prawl 370? I see shimano shimano micro spline sram?
Hi Miguel, the conversion kits for 3-pawl to Ratchet LN are currently only available for MTB products. A designated kit for road wheels will follow, but the timeline for this has not been fixed yet. The offered Ratchet LN kits will not work correctly for the 1800 wheels. Best, Ralf - DT Swiss
Hello, DT. I can convert Ratchet LN, to 3 pawl system? I prefer 3 pawl sound…
Hello. I have a DT Swiss X 1900 Spline DB25 wheelset; 12x148mm, Shimano MICRO SPLINE 12 speed. I want to do this procedure. Where are the spare parts? I can't find them on the site.
Hi Tonna, thank your for your interest. Aas we do not sell directly, you would need to contact your local dealer to order the articles, showed in the video. Stay healthy, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi tonna how's your conversion??
Hello! What is the part number of bearing tools you are using in this video?
Hi Robin and thank you for your interest. If you would like to get the bearing tools from us, you will find a list with all part numbers in the manual on the website:
www.dtswiss.com/pmt/00/00/00/00/00/00/00/10/00/00/03/77/5/MAN_HXD10000003775S_WEB_EN_001.pdf
Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss Hi Friso! I bought ratchet LN conversion kit and I wanted to convert 3 pawls to ratchet LN but I am stuck with removing the 3pawl ring nut. I have an original ringnut tool and a vice (as shown in the video) I am not able to unscrew the ring nut. I cannot even knock out the bearings. Theay are seized. A penetraiting oil (WD-40) does not help either. Any tips please?
Hi Robin thank you for your message. You will find a list with all tools in the manuals for our hubs:
www.dtswiss.com/en/support/manuals
Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
Where can I buy the HXYXXX00N3770S. Cant find it anywhere
Hi Silverhaze, when I use any online search engine I can find many shops offering this kit. But maybe it is not available everywhere. Where exactly it is available when, this question I cannot answer you. I would suggest to contact your dealer for local availability. Have a nice week, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hello, I would like to buy the tools for bearing replacement on my E1900 wheelset. As far as I can see you’re working on an M1900 wheel in the video. You would mind sharing the tools you used for bearing replacement in this video?
Hi, the tools are all visible in the related manuals, which you can find on our website:
www.dtswiss.com/pmt/00/00/00/00/00/00/00/10/00/00/00/89/6/MAN_WXD10000000896S_WEB_EN_001.pdf
www.dtswiss.com/pmt/00/00/00/00/00/00/00/10/00/00/00/89/7/MAN_WXD10000000897S_WEB_EN_001.pdf
As many people do already have those bearing tools from us or other manufacturers, we've been focused on the specific tools you will only get from us. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss Hi, tool used 1:56 removing the axle not listed in any of your manuals.
Hi MrAgent, I'm still using this tool and it is still part of the complete toolkit for 240 Hubs. You can do the job without, the article number of the tool is HXTXXX00N5031S. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
Well. I bent my wheel axle trying to get the old ring nut. It's not that easy to remove the ring nut as you show in the video. Not even with a extra, 1 meter long bar tied to the wheel I was able to get it loose.
Update. The tool broke in the vise, and destroyed the wheelaxle!
Hi Marcus, we are sorry to hear that you had issues removing your thread ring. It can indeed be very hard to remove but normally it works without breaking the tool. Could you please contact us on service@dtswiss.com, kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
@@dtswiss Already done! :)
i broke my vise trying to get the ring nut out. but with a strong vise and turning the wheel evenly with 2 people holding it it went out super easy.
I have to rebut this comment because it bears mentioning.@ the tool didn't "break the vise!" Your vise wasn't up to the task. That isn't on DT/Swiss. That's on you. Sorry, but it's crazy that you'd blame DT for crappy tools in your shop. Sure, perhaps DT could mention in their video, "You will need a QUALITY vise, as very high torque loads may be required to complete this upgrade." But then again, what else should they say? "Make sure your workbench is strong enough to support your vise?"
My axle bent because my workbench collapsed when my vise twisted it into a pretzel!
"Have good light in your shop."
"Don't attempt this while drunk."
"Don't smoke a cigarette and have open cans of gasoline in your shop."
The list would be endless.
Anyone who has experience in a shop environment should have basic knowledge of what's required to perform all manner of repair jobs. It's not DT/Swiss's job to make sure you aren't incompetent! Removing tandem freewheels back in the day caused all sorts of tool failure and shop mayhem, but we didn't blame the manufacturers!!!
Hmm so essentially the 370 becomes 350 internally with this conversion?
Correct. Works well.
Hi @dtswiss! Whats the most silent DT Swiss hub that can be installed?
Can I do this on DT Swiss r470 db? It uses 3 pawl system
Hi Krisna, the R470db is just a rim from DT Swiss and is not related to the used hub. You would need to identify the hub first. If the rear hub being used in your wheel is a DT Swiss 3-Pawl hub, then you can do the conversion. Stay healthy, Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss Hi thanks for your responses. Yes, it uses a 3-pawl hub. I can't identify the hub type since it's coming from a full bike.
@@dtswiss the 3-pawl spring on my hub is broken and can't find the spare part, event on the official distributor of DT Swiss in Indonesia.
HI Krisna, we offer a service kit for our 3-pawl hubs, the article number is HWTXXX00NSK3PS and can be ordered from every dealer from our distribution partners. You can use as well any online search engine by using words like "service kit DT Swiss pawl". With your local dealer you can check as well, if it would make sense to do the upgrade to a ratchet hub. To identify your hub, if you cannot find an official DT Name on it, you would need to ask the producer of the Bike. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
Does this makes the hub sound louder?
HI Ricardo and thank you for your message. The ideo this conversion is to improve the reliability. The hub will sound different after but I don't think it will be louder 🤔 Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hello, is this 12 speed xD hub?
Hi Mark and thank you for your message. The conversion in the video is made with a Shimano HG freehub body as an example. But there are as well SRAm XD conversion kits available. The steps will be exactly the same, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hollowgram by Dt Swiss rear hubs are able to convert? :)
Hi Gaetan and thank your for your message. Regarding OEM or Private Label variations of our 3-Pawl hubs, you would need to contact our service: service.ch@dtswiss.com
The colleagues thee can check with the serial number of the hub, if a conversion is possible. Have a nice day, Friso "DT Swiss".
Re-upload?
Is this applicable to the 360 hub?
HI Kevin and thank you for your message. Yes, this conversion will work for the "360" as well, as the internal name is every time 370 for all of our 3-pawl hubs. Friso "DT Swiss".
@@dtswiss thank you for the response
Can i do this on my x1900??
Hi Martin, yes, the X1900 wheel has a 3 pawl hub that you can convert to the ratchet LN system. Kind regards, Christian, DT Swiss
Thank you
Can i have the list upgrade kit i need to do this ..or the same as the video shown??
Here you can find a list of all kit available, it depends on which drive drain system you have: www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-technology/ratchet-ln-technology
x1900 370 hub can upgrade to 54t ratchets
I "love" these tutorial videos where they use ever single "special tool" to do the job. They could show some diy methods of doing this so that we don't have to spend a lot of money on these "special tools". Also, a better angle for some parts of the process would be nice.
Watched another video of this conversion where the guy explained he could 1) buy the special tools at a high cost for one use, 2) order cheaper special tools from China and wait a few weeks for delivery, or 3) go down to his local bike shop and have them do it in about five minutes. He opted to take his wheel to his LBS to have them swap the rings with their special tools. He then did the rest of the conversion himself.
Yeah it’s almost like the manufacturer is showing you the tools they actually manufacturer for their own hubs which make the process trouble free with very little margin for error….Unlike smashing away with taps and sockets damaging the bearing seats, axles etc. Yea the dt Swiss tool set is mega expensive but lots of cheap alternatives.
You use KNipex tools. What is the symbol?
Hi Piotr and thank your for your question. You will find the pliers I'm using in the Video on the website of Knipex: www.knipex.com/en-uk/products/pipe-wrenches-and-water-pump-pliers
Enjoy the trails with your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss":
And where and when can we buy this conversion kits?
Hi Melkon, all our products are available from the worldwide dealer network of our distributors. A list can be found on our website:
www.dtswiss.com
You can check with your dealer or distributor about the local availability. Stay healthy, Friso "DT Swiss".
Hi Carlos, if the hubs in your Giant wheelset are DT Swiss 3-pawl hubs, there might be the option to convert them. As the private label versions got sometimes a different hubshell shape this cannot be guaranteed in general. I would suggest to contact one of our service centers to make sure a conversion is possible (www.dtswiss.com/en/support/service-center). Or write an e-mail: service.ch@dtswiss.com be aware to have the serial number of the hub ready for the colleagues. Here is a Video on how-to find the serial number: ruclips.net/video/1eNFxhTTTU4/видео.html
Enjoy riding your Bike, Friso "DT Swiss".
I just got a 2022 Yeti sb115 with M1900 Spline wheels with DT Swiss 370 Ratchet LN 18 and it is not loud as well. It doesn’t have the tinging high pitch sound.
Also when I lift up the saddle with my right and holding it then rotate the wheel forward and place my left hand on the chainstay I can feel some slight vibrations as well as on the saddle while my right hand is still lifting it.
ruclips.net/video/wuFnOdLltgs/видео.html
So it’s $90 to convert the 370 to ratchet and then another $90 to upgrade to a measly 54t. Plus tools. So basically $250 to get 36POE. I’ll buy a hope for that price. What a rip.
Con quella chiave inglese togliere il cappuccio non se po proprio vedere!
i thought something is wrong with my sound. wow i cant belive there is no sound in the video in 2021 wtf lol
Hi @vrod2 - yes unfortunately there was an error that removed part of the audio. As it is just background music & many people continue to use this video for support, we decided not to reupload it. Hopefully you can still enjoy the video without the initial music. 🙂
All the best,
Alyssa, DT Swiss
Cuidado con estas referencias porque estas son de aluminio, si vas a montar como es mi caso es una ebike, debes comprar los de acero y es otra referencia.
1. bad video
2. you literally need 100€ tools for this one job...
Hello, is there any way to convert my 370 3-pawl hub to campy Ekar freehub? I see there is no specific kit but wondering if it would work with the conversion kit + Ekar freehub body + seal?
Thank you, Gary