Okay.. Steamdeck 2.0 needs to have Thunderbolt.. i can imagine a scenario where you have an external GPU at your PC and you dock the Steamdeck to that. Especially with TVs offering faster refresh rates now.
I love this experimental direction that you are taking your channel to. A lot of so called "Tech RUclipsrs" don't value content like this, but this is exactly the sort of thing that took LTT to where they are today.
Results might be a little off, you took the back off to put in the m.2 adapter, but GamersNexus actually tested taking of the back for thermals and the steam deck needs the backplate to properly cool the cpu, otherwise it thermal throttles and bottlenecks, which is the opposite of modern open air testbenches which you expect to have good airflow, its the opposite here, i think you could get even better results pointing a big fan at the back of it, still a cool video for seeing the compatibility of gpus
external GPU for steam deck is an excellent goal for a custom dock+dGPU enclosure that optimizes the hardware experience (physical stability, connectors, airflow)
I'm seriously surprised you didn't fry the power controllers when you stressed the Deck without its back. At least a disclaimer is needed about what could go wrong with such approach Otherwise - good video
@@asianflex same thing as @Neo Francois said. There are power controllers that rely on the back cover to guide the airflow for cooling. Importantly - not all have temperature readouts. No cover == no active cooling for them. Cooking those to death won't be a fun experience.
@@asianflex There’s an IC that delivers power from the battery/charger to the rest of the board that is dangerously hot if the backplate is not installed. It gets cooled just enough by the air moving over all of the components via leaving the back on, which is counter-intuitive for most PC users who would think “open air means most amount of fresh air means better temps”.
i was wondering the same thing. it'll be interesting to see if someone frankensteins a 3d printed back case with a m.2 to pcie adapter and a thermal solution to keep that worry down.
@@katech6020 Got mine three years ago for next to nothing as they were making way for the new 6000 series. R3200.00 (South African Rand, about $220). Now you cant buy a decent card for three times as much here, and I refuse to go back to Nvidia, been burned too much.
Love the idea of a custom back plate to allow for easy access to the M2. I'd love to see a fan hacked together dock that allowed you to essentially make it an ROG flow.
I think you definitely need to figure out how to make a gpu dock. You could play it on the go and dock it and have a full PC experience. I don't know how you could keep the back shell on because you would need a m.2 for on the go and swapping it everytime would be a pain. This steam deck is turning out to be a impressive piece of hardware.
7:00 ……hmmm ….. sounds like a PCI-e 4.0 GPU to 3.0 riser cable type situation on the Nvidia GPU….. maybe try a PCI-e 4.0 AMD GPU to see if the same issue arises. AMD APUs also only have PCI-e 3.0 support 😉😇👍
Hi Brett. My 5cents, what you are getting stuck is still part of the linux boot process. More specifically GRUB might need configuring for the different unexpected/unsupported nvidia graphics, historically speaking nvidia support (out of the box) on linux is abysmal. Try if you can get terminal on that thing by hitting Ctrl-Alt-F2. If so you could play with the grub config to try/not try load nvidia drivers (if they are even available).
Ah, this is exactly what I’m after! I was told that windows wouldn’t boot from the SD slot so I had my doubts but this is awesome! I totally can’t wait to see the practicality of this get better. Maybe a custom back plate where it slides open to reveal the M.2 slot in order for you to hot-swap the SSD and eGPU. I was so sad when I learned my use case of VR-heavy usage was basically non-existent with no Thunderbolt port. I do look forward to seeing this become practical so I can just take my 5700xt with me to school and not my whole PC anymore.
Until you can change the TDP from 15 then I think the CPU bottleneck will still be the issue. With the right cooling and maybe a backplate that can siphon some of the heat, then you could probably push this further.
Simple, Its a custom firmware programming on the BIOS that does not allow NVidia video card type device on that slot. Dell did it with their early Optiplex SandyBridge support. If a CPU has a built in APU, the PCI express will not allow videocards. If the CPU was a XEON without an APU, you can install a videocard on the PCI express slot.
Given that the deck SoC is based on zen2 +rdna2, it is possible a follow up device using zen3+ or zen4 will have usb4, and thus eGPUs via thunderbolt 3 might be possible then.
This was originally done with the old Alienware Alpha! You'd have to remove the wifi card and hook an adapter up to that, but worked perfectly! From what I remember, you could buy a kit...
You should check out the oculink m.2 adapters. I'm assuming the steam deck can bifercate the M.2 slot since the quad m.2 card worked and neither of them looked like they were the expensive kind with it's own built in bifercation chip.
To get that to work on steamOS all you'd have to do is enable changes to the OS, install the Nvidia driver, and blacklist the AMD driver. Takes 3 minutes at the command line. Changing to an unsupported operating system is very much a nuclear option here when the support for what you're doing is already baked into the operating system the device ships with.
You may be thermal throttling too. the steamdeck's thermals depend on the back being closed. you may actually damage the steam deck running it without the back on. See the GN thermals video for more info.
It might be that there's some weird thing going on with ROM initialization during the boot cycle. Basically the OpROMs don't get loaded for the Nvidia hardware because the BIOS has a locked list or something, but the AMD stuff all runs on those same base-level ROMs (maybe) and so it gets through
Very cool. Just an FYI, the Steamdeck CPU thermals are worse without the back of the case, as it disrupts airflow over the cooler. So that could throttle the CPU performance and create more bottleneck.
I wouldn't be surprised if "disconnecting potentially blocking drivers" is reffering to disconnecting the iGPU (blocking it's drivers), because the plugged in GPU was detected, but then that failed. iGPU drivers were blocked with 580 installed. By the way, a Tesla M40 doesn't register as a display adapter in UEFI, only after the drivers are loaded in Windows... or Linux, whatever. Should try one of those. Install tesla drivers, reg edit adapter type to 1, play games.
You said that the graphics card when connected earlier was bootlooping, you could try disabling integrated nic in the bios, this was a part of the setup with the exp gdc beast adapter which is a mini pcie to pcie adapter with extra features and was intended for connecting graphics cards to mini pcie, nvme, expresscard etc and without integrated nic disabled i have seen it bootloop on my laptop with it sometimes booting up so the integrated nic could be your issue with bootlooping on the steam deck, also the integrated graphics not showing up is problably normal, on my laptop with my egpu connected the intel hd 4000 graphics would not show up
What if you plugged the gpu into an m.2 slot in an enclosure/dock and booted from the microSD? Would it work? And if it does, how much worse would using the port be than the built-in m.2 slot?
I’ve had this before with nvidia gpus on an eGPU set up. It doesn’t have enough storage in some pci registry to get the card registered correctly. There is work around a but it’s complicated
? Not how that works. Not enough storage in some pci registry to get the card registered correctly. I think you mean it does not have enough pcie rom bar space? It can't address the memory. There is no workaround
When it came to the drivers, Oh no it's not unzipped, that took me back to repairing pcs back in the day.
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the way that i see this is that you could potentially build bigger and better docks for the steam deck that way you would not need to do all this wiring
BIOS Options with + instead of - ? 🤔 Also Nvidia mainly has proprietary drivers (Noveau isn't on par yet) whereas AMD has really good Open-Source ones, Perhaps Valve only set SteamDeck to load AMD at the start? Saw similar issue with loading/booting from SDXC
On par yet? It never will be. Nvidia is the only person who knows jow to make drivers for their products, the open source nvidia driver doesn't even support key features like Cuda or graphics switching. Try playing a game on them, it will crash instantly.
"Potentially blocking driver" makes it sound like the driver that would be doing the blocking, like maybe there is some known bug that would make the driver block the rest of the OS from continuing operating, like it would hang and never hand over the CPU back to the the OS or something?
The thing with Nvidia not working properly is because of the lack of drivers that are proprietary. AMD has Open Source drivers and maybe I am not sure Valve did not include these drivers? It looks that they have a custom bios with some settings in there.
I have an RX580 as eGPU connected with express card. That's a PCIe2x1, so at moest 500MB/s I play games at 4k. Your GPU does *not* need the bandwidth in 99.999% of the cases. The render driver however needs to know if it has a fast host memory interface or not. On the deck it will just stream textures to the cache on demand, on an RX580 it will upload textures to the card.
It does need that bandwidth. You are not getting issues because you are running at 4k, lower the resolution and you will see massive issues. The rx 580 needs 4 lanes of gen 3 at least to run properly. Running at high resolution just makes it render so little frames that it waits on the gpu to render instead of waiting on pcie to transfer data
Such a great video! As for the BIOS: Perhaps there are BIOS modules (e.g. when creating a custom BIOS), that you might need to bake/embed into the BIOS you have? I remember this being the case for systems, that didn't boot from NVMe drives, perhaps there is some sort of thing for the BIOS? Or perhaps the supplied EFI simply doesn't know how to recognize nVidia cards - if there was enough room, perhaps the initialization functions could be added? Sadly I'm not deep enough in BIOS/UEFI and EFI modding. When I used QEMU with PCIe-Passthrough, I had to manually add and describe EFI boot targets and parameters. I could imagine something like this being necessary, too.
You should go back to the Steam OS and try to install the 6600XT within that and then test out some games because i have a feeling your frames would be higher and not that much bottlenecked.
Hmmm, you shouldn’t install both and and nvidia drivers at once , for each gpu you have to do a clean uninstall of the drivers, maybe that’s why the nvidia gpu wasn’t posting
I wonder if there would be a way to loop back the output of the GPU thru the USB port and have it go into the Deck's own screen for a portable-ish setup somehow....
Portable but requires a fragile adapter, a whole ass graphics card, a desktop power supply, a steam deck power brick, and a power supply cable all going into the wall.
@@raycert07 Well, you can output video thru a USB-C port in some computers; and there are things like webcams that use the USB standard to provide a video feed...
You might have an Error Code 43. There's a Windows patch that you can run to fix it. About that ADT-Link adapter, I'm quite sure you can just break it near the holes to turn it into a 2230 card.
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Could you find what card can be pushed vs price that doesn't completely bottleneck the cpu? E.g 1080p at 60fps possible? Then to move that further, could it be built into a dock with a touch of CAD work and 3d printing? (the steam case CAD is already available courtesy of valve)
@@RogueTryhard i tried finding one a few months back and they seem to only exist I'm enterprise. And it still wouldn't be portable. M.2 slots can't provide 12v power and wouldn't be a le to provide the power needed for any gpu. A 2080 mobile probably draws about 120 watts, a 1650 would draw about 75 watts. It wouldn't matter if the gpu draws 20 watts, it's it's much. It needs external power and that means a power supply which means an outlet.
Right, so a retractable cable (like a vacuum cable), a slightly larger rear cover on the deck, or a rear case with a port connected to the m.2., giving you a egpu port. Ahh if only I had the skill to match my imagination.
Better alternative is streaming via Moonlight from my 3080 PC in the office to my steam deck. Just beat the Lionine Misbegotten boss on Weeping Peninsula running entirely remotely and it was flawless. Great concept though, and I cant wait to see more whacky stuff.
So just to make sure I got it right, the bottleneck is mainly influenced by two parts. cpu performance + using the m.2 slot as the connector for the gpu Besides having a better apu in the future, are there different m.2 slots that could make the connection send and receive data faster? I'm lacking knowledge on m.2 slots so any help would be appreciated
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Might want to get that looked at
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@@MiguelRodriguez2010 IT'S HUGE!!!!
Do the LTT bananas for scale throb? Cool!
@@megatryn Yes
Okay.. Steamdeck 2.0 needs to have Thunderbolt.. i can imagine a scenario where you have an external GPU at your PC and you dock the Steamdeck to that. Especially with TVs offering faster refresh rates now.
Life would be so much better with thunderbolt or USB4.
@@UFDTech would be nice with a 40gbps usb 4 port instead of a 20gbps port
Would cost too much imo
@@rkan2 Yeah, probably
@@UFDTech I don’t know jack about hardware. But is it possible to replace the stock usb c port with thunderbolt?
I love this experimental direction that you are taking your channel to. A lot of so called "Tech RUclipsrs" don't value content like this, but this is exactly the sort of thing that took LTT to where they are today.
LTT still does stuff like this. Just not as often as they used to. The old days of LTT were nuts though.
@@kalebdye4378 They are still doing some sick projects.
@@kalebdye4378 LTT is a Man Baby,an Adulkid....he sucks
My guess is that the AMD GPU should work on SteamOS, because it has the same Mesa drivers that I have on my Arch Linux setup with RX 460
yeah, unless Valve is using some super trim down custom driver it should just work.
Oh look at me i use arch im so sophisticated... 🤪 sorry had to do it for the meme, arch linux is great but not for beginners
@@koneslayer387 bruh all he said is that steam os had amd drivers but not nvidia drivers, its not that complicated
@@serphvarna4154 You missed the "I run Arch Linux btw" joke. . .
I use arch BTW.
I know arch is not for everyone, and especially not for anyone that doesn't like wasting their time learning and figuring out stuff.
Results might be a little off, you took the back off to put in the m.2 adapter, but GamersNexus actually tested taking of the back for thermals and the steam deck needs the backplate to properly cool the cpu, otherwise it thermal throttles and bottlenecks, which is the opposite of modern open air testbenches which you expect to have good airflow, its the opposite here, i think you could get even better results pointing a big fan at the back of it, still a cool video for seeing the compatibility of gpus
external GPU for steam deck is an excellent goal for a custom dock+dGPU enclosure that optimizes the hardware experience (physical stability, connectors, airflow)
I'm seriously surprised you didn't fry the power controllers when you stressed the Deck without its back. At least a disclaimer is needed about what could go wrong with such approach
Otherwise - good video
how would that work? or do you mean with the GPU? the GPU should be getting power from anything but the nvme
@@asianflex the back is extremely important in cooling stuff on the deck,check out gamers nexus video on it,
@@asianflex same thing as @Neo Francois said.
There are power controllers that rely on the back cover to guide the airflow for cooling. Importantly - not all have temperature readouts.
No cover == no active cooling for them. Cooking those to death won't be a fun experience.
@@asianflex There’s an IC that delivers power from the battery/charger to the rest of the board that is dangerously hot if the backplate is not installed. It gets cooled just enough by the air moving over all of the components via leaving the back on, which is counter-intuitive for most PC users who would think “open air means most amount of fresh air means better temps”.
i was wondering the same thing. it'll be interesting to see if someone frankensteins a 3d printed back case with a m.2 to pcie adapter and a thermal solution to keep that worry down.
The RX580 is an awesome card. I'm running it myself, the 8gb version.
Wish I kept mine, I have a better card now but had the 580 for 4 years 0 problems
I wish I had a 580
@@katech6020 Got mine three years ago for next to nothing as they were making way for the new 6000 series. R3200.00 (South African Rand, about $220).
Now you cant buy a decent card for three times as much here, and I refuse to go back to Nvidia, been burned too much.
that's really old now though.
@@smallcatgirl age doesn't matter lol, i'd take a 1080ti which is 5 years old than a 3050
good to see you getting back at it. good content. hope this channel starts growing again.
This is some amazing sleuthing and troubleshooting. Can't wait until you've had some more time with it!
This is a game changer hooking up external GPU for gaming hell yes do more videos on this with steam deck
Instructions unclear i put the gpu in my cat.
Love the idea of a custom back plate to allow for easy access to the M2. I'd love to see a fan hacked together dock that allowed you to essentially make it an ROG flow.
genuinely great content, video premise and hosting/presentation was fantastic. Keep it up :)
Thanks friend!
@@UFDTech loving the new set btw :)
I think you definitely need to figure out how to make a gpu dock. You could play it on the go and dock it and have a full PC experience. I don't know how you could keep the back shell on because you would need a m.2 for on the go and swapping it everytime would be a pain. This steam deck is turning out to be a impressive piece of hardware.
Ninvida closed source drivers is the killer.
Amd and linux being open source is what allows the steam deck to be as powerful as it is.
7:00 ……hmmm ….. sounds like a PCI-e 4.0 GPU to 3.0 riser cable type situation on the Nvidia GPU….. maybe try a PCI-e 4.0 AMD GPU to see if the same issue arises. AMD APUs also only have PCI-e 3.0 support 😉😇👍
That's not the issue. I used a PCIe 4.0 AMD GPU in the video. I also tried a PCIe 4.0 & 3.0 riser cable.
Hi Brett. My 5cents, what you are getting stuck is still part of the linux boot process. More specifically GRUB might need configuring for the different unexpected/unsupported nvidia graphics, historically speaking nvidia support (out of the box) on linux is abysmal. Try if you can get terminal on that thing by hitting Ctrl-Alt-F2. If so you could play with the grub config to try/not try load nvidia drivers (if they are even available).
I doubt its grub. He removed the m.2 ssd so it should just boot from windows boot mgr. Plus grub works fine with nvidia (and so should windows).
Ah, this is exactly what I’m after! I was told that windows wouldn’t boot from the SD slot so I had my doubts but this is awesome! I totally can’t wait to see the practicality of this get better. Maybe a custom back plate where it slides open to reveal the M.2 slot in order for you to hot-swap the SSD and eGPU. I was so sad when I learned my use case of VR-heavy usage was basically non-existent with no Thunderbolt port. I do look forward to seeing this become practical so I can just take my 5700xt with me to school and not my whole PC anymore.
This video takes me back to the good old days when I hooked up a full gpu into an acer revo m1-601. Good times...
Until you can change the TDP from 15 then I think the CPU bottleneck will still be the issue. With the right cooling and maybe a backplate that can siphon some of the heat, then you could probably push this further.
Simple, Its a custom firmware programming on the BIOS that does not allow NVidia video card type device on that slot. Dell did it with their early Optiplex SandyBridge support. If a CPU has a built in APU, the PCI express will not allow videocards. If the CPU was a XEON without an APU, you can install a videocard on the PCI express slot.
Given that the deck SoC is based on zen2 +rdna2, it is possible a follow up device using zen3+ or zen4 will have usb4, and thus eGPUs via thunderbolt 3 might be possible then.
It's not an soc.
Soc means cpu, gpu, memory, usb controller, wireless models,, etc is on the same chip.
I fucking love you lmao. I was wondering who would deliver this first
This was originally done with the old Alienware Alpha! You'd have to remove the wifi card and hook an adapter up to that, but worked perfectly! From what I remember, you could buy a kit...
You should check out the oculink m.2 adapters. I'm assuming the steam deck can bifercate the M.2 slot since the quad m.2 card worked and neither of them looked like they were the expensive kind with it's own built in bifercation chip.
If they could possibly add a thunderbolt connection to the dock or both would be neat for external gpu use.
To get that to work on steamOS all you'd have to do is enable changes to the OS, install the Nvidia driver, and blacklist the AMD driver. Takes 3 minutes at the command line. Changing to an unsupported operating system is very much a nuclear option here when the support for what you're doing is already baked into the operating system the device ships with.
You don't need to blacklist anything, the drivers can run along side each other. The nvidia driver will auto select the nvidia gpu for graphical apps.
You may be thermal throttling too. the steamdeck's thermals depend on the back being closed. you may actually damage the steam deck running it without the back on. See the GN thermals video for more info.
isnt the cpu on the deck not boosting correcting yet on windows.... like it only goes to 2.5 ish while on steam os its boosting to max of 3.6?
It might be that there's some weird thing going on with ROM initialization during the boot cycle. Basically the OpROMs don't get loaded for the Nvidia hardware because the BIOS has a locked list or something, but the AMD stuff all runs on those same base-level ROMs (maybe) and so it gets through
Very cool. Just an FYI, the Steamdeck CPU thermals are worse without the back of the case, as it disrupts airflow over the cooler. So that could throttle the CPU performance and create more bottleneck.
I wouldn't be surprised if "disconnecting potentially blocking drivers" is reffering to disconnecting the iGPU (blocking it's drivers), because the plugged in GPU was detected, but then that failed. iGPU drivers were blocked with 580 installed. By the way, a Tesla M40 doesn't register as a display adapter in UEFI, only after the drivers are loaded in Windows... or Linux, whatever. Should try one of those. Install tesla drivers, reg edit adapter type to 1, play games.
I subscribe instantly because of the comedy but I like the tech information as well 😂
You said that the graphics card when connected earlier was bootlooping, you could try disabling integrated nic in the bios, this was a part of the setup with the exp gdc beast adapter which is a mini pcie to pcie adapter with extra features and was intended for connecting graphics cards to mini pcie, nvme, expresscard etc and without integrated nic disabled i have seen it bootloop on my laptop with it sometimes booting up so the integrated nic could be your issue with bootlooping on the steam deck, also the integrated graphics not showing up is problably normal, on my laptop with my egpu connected the intel hd 4000 graphics would not show up
What if you plugged the gpu into an m.2 slot in an enclosure/dock and booted from the microSD? Would it work? And if it does, how much worse would using the port be than the built-in m.2 slot?
E-gpu all the way, awesome! Great to see alternative options explored, well done
I’ve had this before with nvidia gpus on an eGPU set up. It doesn’t have enough storage in some pci registry to get the card registered correctly. There is work around a but it’s complicated
? Not how that works. Not enough storage in some pci registry to get the card registered correctly.
I think you mean it does not have enough pcie rom bar space? It can't address the memory.
There is no workaround
Even with external power for a GPU, a GPU can still pull 75w from the PCI slot it's connected to. A M.2 may not be and to meet that requirement.
The PCIe slot is powered by the PSU
When it came to the drivers, Oh no it's not unzipped, that took me back to repairing pcs back in the day.
the way that i see this is that you could potentially build bigger and better docks for the steam deck that way you would not need to do all this wiring
BIOS Options with + instead of - ? 🤔
Also Nvidia mainly has proprietary drivers (Noveau isn't on par yet) whereas AMD has really good Open-Source ones, Perhaps Valve only set SteamDeck to load AMD at the start? Saw similar issue with loading/booting from SDXC
On par yet? It never will be.
Nvidia is the only person who knows jow to make drivers for their products, the open source nvidia driver doesn't even support key features like Cuda or graphics switching.
Try playing a game on them, it will crash instantly.
If I didn't already have a God tier pc I would buy a steam deck for sure.
Get one so you can play your libary anywhere :)
I watched the entire first min and a half and DID NOT NOTICE the hair. lol.
U got my sub just from this video. Seen your ps5 videos. They were alright. This however definitely peaked my interest
Our PS5 videos will be more than alright once we get it all working.
@@UFDTech we shall see. Wish you the best
It would make a ton of sense to have a thunderbolt port (or usb c gen 2x2), on the gen 2 steam deck.
"Potentially blocking driver" makes it sound like the driver that would be doing the blocking, like maybe there is some known bug that would make the driver block the rest of the OS from continuing operating, like it would hang and never hand over the CPU back to the the OS or something?
Bro, you deserve more views. You're videos are so high quality. Keep up the good work!
Very cool. I’d never do it myself, but it’s awesome knowing it can be done. Nice job 👏🏻
Well done, I love videos like this
I can ready see backplate mods that make it easier to use the m.2 for an eGPU
The lanes to the gpu will be reduced put the nvme over usb-c if the usb-c has dedicated lanes
I knew someone was going to do this, I'm so glad you did :)
But can you do VR with extended GPU? 🤔
Egpu stands for external gpu, but yes, you can.
Did you get power draw of the CPU before and after?
Could have messed with the TDP of the cpu like ETA Prime did, maybe it would lessen the bottleneck
Why are you working on the Steam Deck with the battery still plugged in swapping components in and out? Are you not worried about shorting the device?
Not worried in the slightest. I don’t even shut it down to plug in the m.2.
The usb c port still supports video out even though it's not thunderbolt so it will work just not as fast
That doesn’t mean it’s routing through the GPU.
this is great content 👍 keep it up man
Could you maybe theoretically replace the usb c port with a thunderbolt port?
This is impressive Brett!
If I'm not mistaken Nvidia GPUs aren't fan of 4x PCIe slots.
Might be why its not working.
The thing with Nvidia not working properly is because of the lack of drivers that are proprietary. AMD has Open Source drivers and maybe I am not sure Valve did not include these drivers? It looks that they have a custom bios with some settings in there.
So did you get the nvme and egpu to work at the same time?
I have an RX580 as eGPU connected with express card. That's a PCIe2x1, so at moest 500MB/s
I play games at 4k.
Your GPU does *not* need the bandwidth in 99.999% of the cases.
The render driver however needs to know if it has a fast host memory interface or not.
On the deck it will just stream textures to the cache on demand, on an RX580 it will upload textures to the card.
It does need that bandwidth. You are not getting issues because you are running at 4k, lower the resolution and you will see massive issues. The rx 580 needs 4 lanes of gen 3 at least to run properly.
Running at high resolution just makes it render so little frames that it waits on the gpu to render instead of waiting on pcie to transfer data
Turn on the 3080 when in windows....refresh hardware then install the driver manually(in device manager)....then try to run Nvidia install
valve: here's a portable machine you can carry anywhere
random guy: okay but i want it paired with bulky fan and huge monitor
@UFD Tech The black wall you have set up in plastik behind you, whats it called ?? :D
Why not use a pcie 3x4 thunderbolt card, then put an external GPU on the thunderbolt port?
Because I don't have one, but that's a great idea!
Did you know because of your video with steamdeck and gpu config, valve has now changed the pci express spec down to 2 lanes
Such a great video! As for the BIOS: Perhaps there are BIOS modules (e.g. when creating a custom BIOS), that you might need to bake/embed into the BIOS you have? I remember this being the case for systems, that didn't boot from NVMe drives, perhaps there is some sort of thing for the BIOS?
Or perhaps the supplied EFI simply doesn't know how to recognize nVidia cards - if there was enough room, perhaps the initialization functions could be added? Sadly I'm not deep enough in BIOS/UEFI and EFI modding.
When I used QEMU with PCIe-Passthrough, I had to manually add and describe EFI boot targets and parameters. I could imagine something like this being necessary, too.
Knew you would do this eventually, but didn't expect it so soon, lol
You know if you dyed your hair brown I think you would look exactly like Tom Hanks
Now all you need is a battery pack, a monitor and a lot of tape and you have the world's heaviest nintendo DS
This guy looks and sounds 40 and 14 at the same time
You should go back to the Steam OS and try to install the 6600XT within that and then test out some games because i have a feeling your frames would be higher and not that much bottlenecked.
Cool! Welcome to PA BTW!
Hmmm, you shouldn’t install both and and nvidia drivers at once , for each gpu you have to do a clean uninstall of the drivers, maybe that’s why the nvidia gpu wasn’t posting
Should have tried to get to the USB boot windows install with the Nvidia GPU
I keep getting distracted by that picture of Linus beside the monitor.
I wonder if there would be a way to loop back the output of the GPU thru the USB port and have it go into the Deck's own screen for a portable-ish setup somehow....
Usb is not a display standard.
Loop back? Gpu pass-through is a thing but hinders performance.
Portable but requires a fragile adapter, a whole ass graphics card, a desktop power supply, a steam deck power brick, and a power supply cable all going into the wall.
@@raycert07 Well, you can output video thru a USB-C port in some computers; and there are things like webcams that use the USB standard to provide a video feed...
Is it possible to run an external GPU on 20G USB-C? Sure it will be bottlenecked but should still have some graphic performance to gain right?
Usb c is a connector type, you need to use thunderbolt. Thunderbolt is usb c with pcie
Love this frankenstein stuff. Just subb'd buddy
Brett makes the kind of videos that you feel morally (😁) obligated to LIKE before you hit that play button. Great job, UFD Tech! 👏🏻
You might have an Error Code 43. There's a Windows patch that you can run to fix it. About that ADT-Link adapter, I'm quite sure you can just break it near the holes to turn it into a 2230 card.
Does the Steamdeck support E-GPU via USB-C? Also, using a 6500XT would be perfect because it's PCIE x4 anyways.
It does not.
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This is my first UFD Tech video & I honestly thought his blond hair must be his trademark. He should keep it blond!
I never thought of this, glad you tested it!
I think it not working on Nvidia ties back to the code 43 stuff on windows. I’d be willing to bet it’d work if it were a quadro.
Is the ltt hair and swag a nod to ltt since you beat them to the punch?
No, it’s a nod to them sponsoring a PC for us to giveaway for our charity stream: Linus Fixed Newegg's Mistake
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cant you plug a external gpu into that usbc port? isnt it thunderboltc?
It is not thunderbolt
Does this allow for multi-monitor support?
Could you find what card can be pushed vs price that doesn't completely bottleneck the cpu? E.g 1080p at 60fps possible? Then to move that further, could it be built into a dock with a touch of CAD work and 3d printing? (the steam case CAD is already available courtesy of valve)
Now can you make a portable version of this using a laptop MXM gpu? I think i've seen MXM 2080s
The steam deck does not have mxm
@@raycert07 ... I was suggesting a PCI adapter
@@RogueTryhard i tried finding one a few months back and they seem to only exist I'm enterprise.
And it still wouldn't be portable.
M.2 slots can't provide 12v power and wouldn't be a le to provide the power needed for any gpu.
A 2080 mobile probably draws about 120 watts, a 1650 would draw about 75 watts.
It wouldn't matter if the gpu draws 20 watts, it's it's much. It needs external power and that means a power supply which means an outlet.
@@raycert07 I just figured if this guy could pull it off with a desktop GPU, there might be a way to do it w/ a MXM laptop gpu
@@RogueTryhard you still need a cooler, you would still need external power.
And good luck finding an mxm adapter
Right, so a retractable cable (like a vacuum cable), a slightly larger rear cover on the deck, or a rear case with a port connected to the m.2., giving you a egpu port. Ahh if only I had the skill to match my imagination.
I have a idea how can i emulate my xbox360 and play the cd in the dvd rom player. No stuff with malware but how i can play my orginal xbox360 games.
Love your channel! I admire your determination, thanks for all the great content
Better alternative is streaming via Moonlight from my 3080 PC in the office to my steam deck. Just beat the Lionine Misbegotten boss on Weeping Peninsula running entirely remotely and it was flawless. Great concept though, and I cant wait to see more whacky stuff.
Steam deck is basically a mini laptop jammed into a handheld.
So just to make sure I got it right, the bottleneck is mainly influenced by two parts. cpu performance + using the m.2 slot as the connector for the gpu
Besides having a better apu in the future, are there different m.2 slots that could make the connection send and receive data faster?
I'm lacking knowledge on m.2 slots so any help would be appreciated
Definitely things I'd love to try/have knowledge of 😀