I do know Dutch, & I have to tell you, Hans is an amazing commentator. He knows so much history, both of the sport and of individual gymnasts. I would rather listen to him than almost anyone besides Mitch & Christine, who do the BBC commentary. But also, Dutch is a lovely language. I learned it when I lived there years ago & listen to these vids as a way to keep my mind in the language & learn new stuff.
I don't know why everybody assumes Alicia and Rebecca are talking about other gymnasts. They could have inside jokes, and since they trained together probably had a strong friendship. I know it might look like that in that situation, but you can't ensure that. I thought Aliya had better form in twists in these years, but I see she didn't. And I didn't know she used to cry after failing. Anna Dementyeva's form is absolutely perfect and Ana Porgras' artistry and elegance is like no other gymnast's ever Deng looks so young and she even went to the Olympics two years before that
I'am dutch so I understand what he is saying and I think he is one of the best comentators in the world because he explaines everything so even if you are not a gymnast you can understand it :) ( sorry for my bad english)
After watching this, I think the execution scores are absolutely deserved. Sacramone's execution is even that great in this final. Her leaps lack height and she doesn't hit her splits. There's a general lack of extension and multiple balance checks. There are also questionable connections. Her acrobatic elements are very impressive, but the rest of it opens her up to deductions.
Las gringas ahí estaban criticando a la pobre chica de Ucrania y riéndose de su caída,pero que poco les duró la risa cuando Anna se colocó en 1 era.lugar ;)
I find Rebecca Bross to be mechanical, robotic, and emotionless. It seemed that Valeri was able to translate Nastia's artistry somewhat into Katelyn Ohashi, but not Rebecca Bross.
Well think about it, Katelyn is less of a power gymnast and Rebecca definitely does not fit the style of Nastia or Katelyn. Valeri made her routines work for her while still including most of the classic Woga routine elements. He knew she wasn't super graceful or good at pirouettes on bars so he added more releases, etc.
+Ilise Angel +Ilise Angel +Ilise Angel +Ilise Angel Honestly I don't think Katelyn is less of a power gymnast than Rebecca. Katelyn did a layout full on beam, arabian, several other difficult combos on beam and a full in double pike dismount. Rebecca did an arabian on beam, but majority of her other skills on beam weren't near the difficulty of Katelyn's besides her double arabian dismount. On bars they have the same releases (tkachev and jaeger) except for the fact that Rebecca does a van leeuwen, but Katelyn does a double double dismount which is more difficult than a van leeuwen. Besides their releases on bars, both are kind of matched in difficulty in pirouettes depending on whether you think in bar 1/1s or spins on one arm are more difficult because they're both E skills. On vault both do a double Yurchenko so they're even on that event. On floor they both have a 6.1 D score, but Katelyn does more double saltos which is more characteristic of power gymnasts, in my opinion.
To clear up a few things: Sacramone made nearly zero mistakes. She was awarded the highest execution (E) score of the whole beam final. Since her difficulty (D) score was only a 6.1, she did not medal. I think she knew she wouldn't, and she was probably okay with that. What I believe annoyed Sacramone and Bross was the fact that despite a few visible errors and a couple form issues, Porgras somehow received an E score only .1 lower than Sacramone. She absolutely did not have the 2nd best execution that night, and she certainly wasn't that close to Sacramone's execution. If it weren't for her E score, she would not have overtaken Bross. That's probably why they looked so pissy about it. Porgras is an amazing athlete and a beautiful gymnast to watch (her D score was 6.6). We know that, and so did Alicia and Rebecca, I'm sure. What sucks is that she did have some errors in her routine, and it seems they weren't deducted as much as they should have been. Honestly, other than some minor form issues, I would have placed Mitchell over Porgras, too.
Blake Gill She has a balance check on the layout and on her scale at the beginning. Each a 0.1 balance check. Other than that she has very few deductions and she has better rhythm then both the Americans which the judges reward. She has very little hesitation or "set up time" between skills which the judges like. She also had more difficulty. To place her below Mitchell (who is amazing) is ridiculous and she was also better than Rebecca on this day as well. Her form is exquisite, dunno what you're talking about there. Better choreography and presentation than all of them too. This was a well deserved gold.
+Gutsufan3 3333333 She definitely deserved to medal, and yeah- her fluidity/presentation was much prettier than pretty much everyone in this final. However, she mad several pretty noticeable mistakes that make it very hard for me to believe she had only .1 separating her execution from Sacramone. She had the two you mentioned, but she also landed with her chest low on her back tuck (after the leap), low landing on dismount, step greater than shoulder-width on the dismount, and her legs were also separated on her layout- then, of course the two balance checks you mentioned. She is beautiful to watch, and even this performance was worthy of a high E score, but it wasn't clean enough to be only a tenth lower than Sacramone who had no bobbles or hesistations and also had minimal form breaks in her routine. Anyway, my original intent wasn't to argue Porgras' s score so much as to say (to those who are saying nasty things about the Americans looking displeased with the scoring) that if those of us who are untrained can see clearly the errors in a routine, it doesn't seem to add up that she scored got the 2nd best E Score, and was only 2nd best by .1 of a point. I don't think Bross was underscored- girl has form issues, too.
Blake Gill Ok so I looked at her routine again and these are the deductions I've got. Balance check on scale - 0.1 Balance check on layout - 0.1 Leg separation on layout - 0.1 Low landing on tuck back - 0.3 Low landing on dismount - 0.3 (with these low landings it is possible the judges only took 0.1 because i believe they only take 0.3-0.5 if the chest is parallel or past parallel to the floor but correct me if i am wrong) Leg separation on dismount - 0.1 Flexed feet on dismount - 0.1 All ads up to 1.1 in deductions. 10-1.1=8.9 which is roughly the score she got. I think they could of been a little bit more classy about it, but i certainly don't think there's anything wrong with showing their disappointment. Its certainly nothing to harp on about I agree. I haven't scrutinized the american girls routines to see their minor errors but I think Porgras score was correct.
6:14 I know it's just one shot here, but I hate it when they do that in any competition lol. No one cares about the feet and no one can see what the gymnast did. If you want to make your program "look good" because of cool shots, gymnastics isn't the place for that. Save it for a movie. There was even a beam final in which there was an overload of panning and zooming out far away, which, unsurprisingly, got some complaints. I literally wanted to slap the camera crew and producer lol
The time when worlds beam finals actually has solid lineup with only 2 falls at most.. Nowadays most of the finalists falls. And OMG Aliya has really matured but she is much prettier here in 2010, LOL
+Gracie C. Yeah watched a 2015 beam final and over half of all the finalists fell. Long ago there would even be NO falls at all. Gymnasts today are extremely disappointing, not only because of the countless errors but also all the routines nowadays just lack essence. Almost all feel like they're not worth watching. I really miss the gymnastics from years ago. Seems like gymnastics is going downhill.
Dennis G Did I ever say I like easy routines? Sorry, but I cringe every time I see an easy-ass routine like Lieke Wever's. Just because you have a difficult routine doesn't mean you have the excuse to fall. Gymnasts nowadays are killing themselves to have all the most difficult skills possible and as a result they more often than not fall or have balance checks. Shawn Johnson had great difficulty in Beijing but did you see her having balance checks everywhere and falling here and there?
There are plenty of current gymnasts who have very difficult routines and hit them every time. When is the last time you saw Simone fall off the beam? You're being dramatic. Gymnastucs is harder now (as it should be - it's a sport). Harder skills means more people might fall.
15:43 she was probably saying something shitty but Asac looked really cute there tbh (also lmao @ her face when she just realized she got knocked out of a medaling position)
I really don't like Bross and Sacramone talking about the other gymnasts. Their facial expressions are so obvious and it's bad sportsmanship. I'm glad they weren't at the Olympics to embarrass us with that.
it's entitlement. they think because they are american they deserve a medal just for showing up. Similar to when the USA filed a stupid appeal after Laurie got a lower score than Sanne in the 2016 olympic beam final (Laurie had a D score of 6.5 all year and now they wanted to challenge it?) and the pissy looks on their faces after Aliya outscored Kocian on bars.
Rebekah Ellen also, whay about komova s face ?? Ferrari? ponor? couldn't go on and on, but you'll just pull the "American entitlement" Alicia nailed it.. but had the first draw. the scripting here was do far off...
Se les ve desde lejos y cerca la falta de humildad a ésas chicas, qué bueno que ganó Rumania, hace mejor su rutina y se ve más humilde que las americanas
I know what you mean- but this guy really doesn't know gymnastics and he makes a lot of mistakes.. with Bross' routine he said at the beep: now she's at 1:20 and she's got 20 minutes to do her dismount! and he also called her arabian a half-turn.. I still think BBC's got the best commentary
why is everyone insinuating that Alicia and Rebecca are talking about the other girls? um....how do you know? They can't have a conversation without people assuming the worst? they could just simply be talking for all you know.
+Rebekah Ellen okay lots of gymnasts do that and it's no lroblem but when the Americans do the smallest things every loses their minds? I just think it's ridiculous lol😂
The face that Alicia Sacramone makes at 19:12 - 19:18 is priceless... She and Rebecca knew that Ana Porgras was overscored (But she still deserved the gold in my opinion)
I hope Yana Demyanchuk watched herself on TV because _what_ were those lines that year? Not to be offensive - as I am appreciative of true professional gymnastics, coming from the life of an acro-dancer and should not be judging - but my face was like 😕, 🤭, 😬.
What exactly did you mean by lines?? I personally couldn't believe her awful flexed foot during her L turn wtf!! How do you not point your foot?!! Also..I know it is nitpicky but her leotard being undone in the back at her beck really bothered me, she just looked so untidy and messy.
By lines, a person means the literal line that your entire body, especially your leg(s), will make during your movement. And no nitpicking, honey, it was clearly MUCH more than that one L-turn.
Kris Uler the flexed foot was intentional. Notice how she clearly points it at the end. It’s more common in modern/contemporary dance. She doesn’t have a nice toe point in general, though. She was not my favorite by any means. This video made me realize how much I miss Ana Porgras and the sad state of Romanian gymnastics today.
+Thebeautybox56 As you know it is of the Olympic rings logo, which is copyrighted. And as this is a FIG event and not an Olympic event they do not have a license to show that logo in any form, including Sacramone's tattoo.
jeez, chill the fuck out, you really said that in such an attacking, rude way in response to a random offhand comment. I was just surprised that she cried, because in later years she was never so disappointed? I guess it's just because she's younger here and this was her first.
This was a REALLY strong final, lots of 15 scores.
Porgras’s elegance, precision, and flexibility is so satisfying.
Ana Porgras has the most stunning eyes I have ever seen!
lmao, the look on the faces of sacramone and bross after porgras' score is hilarious!
Eu fiz a mesma expressão 😮
Ana Porgras in my opinion is one of the most beautiful gymnast of all time. She is quite stunning, classic beauty. I'm glad she won!
This commentary is so delightful to listen to. I don't know Dutch but idk...
I do know Dutch, & I have to tell you, Hans is an amazing commentator. He knows so much history, both of the sport and of individual gymnasts. I would rather listen to him than almost anyone besides Mitch & Christine, who do the BBC commentary. But also, Dutch is a lovely language. I learned it when I lived there years ago & listen to these vids as a way to keep my mind in the language & learn new stuff.
LAUREN MITCHELLS COMBO! Front aerial to switch leap to front tuck is my new favorite combination.
This final is worth watching,so many excellent gymnasts.
Surprised Sacramone didnt medal with such a solid routine, she should have scored higher
I love that aerial walkover at 6:23!
I don't know why everybody assumes Alicia and Rebecca are talking about other gymnasts. They could have inside jokes, and since they trained together probably had a strong friendship. I know it might look like that in that situation, but you can't ensure that.
I thought Aliya had better form in twists in these years, but I see she didn't. And I didn't know she used to cry after failing.
Anna Dementyeva's form is absolutely perfect and Ana Porgras' artistry and elegance is like no other gymnast's ever
Deng looks so young and she even went to the Olympics two years before that
I'am dutch so I understand what he is saying and I think he is one of the best comentators in the world because he explaines everything so even if you are not a gymnast you can understand it :) ( sorry for my bad english)
Sacramone so deserved a medal here
not nearly as good as ponor's face after liukin's performance in the beam final of 2005 though lol
After watching this, I think the execution scores are absolutely deserved. Sacramone's execution is even that great in this final. Her leaps lack height and she doesn't hit her splits. There's a general lack of extension and multiple balance checks. There are also questionable connections.
Her acrobatic elements are very impressive, but the rest of it opens her up to deductions.
WHAT THE FUCK ALIYA... U FUCKING LANDED THAT ARABIAN!!!! Lol. Hahahahha (:
Her hips or something must not have been squared up, and the camera angle didn't catch it. Idk though? Like you said, it looked good.
Why did Mustafina fall? Her feet was in alignment, her body was a bit bent, yes, but nothing she couldn't fix. She could've fought it.
I still miss Ana Porgras =/
Las gringas ahí estaban criticando a la pobre chica de Ucrania y riéndose de su caída,pero que poco les duró la risa cuando Anna se colocó en 1 era.lugar ;)
Porgras super. Rumänien
I find Rebecca Bross to be mechanical, robotic, and emotionless. It seemed that Valeri was able to translate Nastia's artistry somewhat into Katelyn Ohashi, but not Rebecca Bross.
Well think about it, Katelyn is less of a power gymnast and Rebecca definitely does not fit the style of Nastia or Katelyn. Valeri made her routines work for her while still including most of the classic Woga routine elements. He knew she wasn't super graceful or good at pirouettes on bars so he added more releases, etc.
+Ilise Angel +Ilise Angel +Ilise Angel +Ilise Angel Honestly I don't think Katelyn is less of a power gymnast than Rebecca. Katelyn did a layout full on beam, arabian, several other difficult combos on beam and a full in double pike dismount. Rebecca did an arabian on beam, but majority of her other skills on beam weren't near the difficulty of Katelyn's besides her double arabian dismount. On bars they have the same releases (tkachev and jaeger) except for the fact that Rebecca does a van leeuwen, but Katelyn does a double double dismount which is more difficult than a van leeuwen. Besides their releases on bars, both are kind of matched in difficulty in pirouettes depending on whether you think in bar 1/1s or spins on one arm are more difficult because they're both E skills. On vault both do a double Yurchenko so they're even on that event. On floor they both have a 6.1 D score, but Katelyn does more double saltos which is more characteristic of power gymnasts, in my opinion.
The whole sport is going in that direction, unfortunately. The really graceful/artistic gymnasts seem to be in the minority.
Sacramone all the way. How they found 1 point off in execution is ridiculous.
Disputa acirrada, todas muito boas
26:07 dont touch aliya when she has screwed up
To clear up a few things: Sacramone made nearly zero mistakes. She was awarded the highest execution (E) score of the whole beam final. Since her difficulty (D) score was only a 6.1, she did not medal. I think she knew she wouldn't, and she was probably okay with that.
What I believe annoyed Sacramone and Bross was the fact that despite a few visible errors and a couple form issues, Porgras somehow received an E score only .1 lower than Sacramone. She absolutely did not have the 2nd best execution that night, and she certainly wasn't that close to Sacramone's execution. If it weren't for her E score, she would not have overtaken Bross. That's probably why they looked so pissy about it. Porgras is an amazing athlete and a beautiful gymnast to watch (her D score was 6.6). We know that, and so did Alicia and Rebecca, I'm sure. What sucks is that she did have some errors in her routine, and it seems they weren't deducted as much as they should have been. Honestly, other than some minor form issues, I would have placed Mitchell over Porgras, too.
Blake Gill She has a balance check on the layout and on her scale at the beginning. Each a 0.1 balance check. Other than that she has very few deductions and she has better rhythm then both the Americans which the judges reward. She has very little hesitation or "set up time" between skills which the judges like. She also had more difficulty. To place her below Mitchell (who is amazing) is ridiculous and she was also better than Rebecca on this day as well. Her form is exquisite, dunno what you're talking about there. Better choreography and presentation than all of them too. This was a well deserved gold.
+Gutsufan3 3333333 She definitely deserved to medal, and yeah- her fluidity/presentation was much prettier than pretty much everyone in this final. However, she mad several pretty noticeable mistakes that make it very hard for me to believe she had only .1 separating her execution from Sacramone. She had the two you mentioned, but she also landed with her chest low on her back tuck (after the leap), low landing on dismount, step greater than shoulder-width on the dismount, and her legs were also separated on her layout- then, of course the two balance checks you mentioned. She is beautiful to watch, and even this performance was worthy of a high E score, but it wasn't clean enough to be only a tenth lower than Sacramone who had no bobbles or hesistations and also had minimal form breaks in her routine.
Anyway, my original intent wasn't to argue Porgras' s score so much as to say (to those who are saying nasty things about the Americans looking displeased with the scoring) that if those of us who are untrained can see clearly the errors in a routine, it doesn't seem to add up that she scored got the 2nd best E Score, and was only 2nd best by .1 of a point. I don't think Bross was underscored- girl has form issues, too.
Blake Gill Ok so I looked at her routine again and these are the deductions I've got.
Balance check on scale - 0.1
Balance check on layout - 0.1
Leg separation on layout - 0.1
Low landing on tuck back - 0.3
Low landing on dismount - 0.3 (with these low landings it is possible the judges only took 0.1 because i believe they only take 0.3-0.5 if the chest is parallel or past parallel to the floor but correct me if i am wrong)
Leg separation on dismount - 0.1
Flexed feet on dismount - 0.1
All ads up to 1.1 in deductions. 10-1.1=8.9 which is roughly the score she got.
I think they could of been a little bit more classy about it, but i certainly don't think there's anything wrong with showing their disappointment. Its certainly nothing to harp on about I agree. I haven't scrutinized the american girls routines to see their minor errors but I think Porgras score was correct.
I agree with you. Porgras is amazing, and I love her balletic routine, but her execution score should've been lower...
Blake Gill Puente i agree you. Bross and sacramone weren't so upset with their own scores, it was the acoei2nf in general
6:14 I know it's just one shot here, but I hate it when they do that in any competition lol. No one cares about the feet and no one can see what the gymnast did. If you want to make your program "look good" because of cool shots, gymnastics isn't the place for that. Save it for a movie. There was even a beam final in which there was an overload of panning and zooming out far away, which, unsurprisingly, got some complaints. I literally wanted to slap the camera crew and producer lol
The time when worlds beam finals actually has solid lineup with only 2 falls at most.. Nowadays most of the finalists falls. And OMG Aliya has really matured but she is much prettier here in 2010, LOL
+Gracie C. But then again, this one had three falls!
+Gracie C. Yeah watched a 2015 beam final and over half of all the finalists fell. Long ago there would even be NO falls at all. Gymnasts today are extremely disappointing, not only because of the countless errors but also all the routines nowadays just lack essence. Almost all feel like they're not worth watching. I really miss the gymnastics from years ago. Seems like gymnastics is going downhill.
+nathaliexlr8 If you want to see every gymnasts hit their boringly easy routine, you can watch collegiate gymnastics.
Dennis G Did I ever say I like easy routines? Sorry, but I cringe every time I see an easy-ass routine like Lieke Wever's. Just because you have a difficult routine doesn't mean you have the excuse to fall. Gymnasts nowadays are killing themselves to have all the most difficult skills possible and as a result they more often than not fall or have balance checks. Shawn Johnson had great difficulty in Beijing but did you see her having balance checks everywhere and falling here and there?
There are plenty of current gymnasts who have very difficult routines and hit them every time. When is the last time you saw Simone fall off the beam? You're being dramatic. Gymnastucs is harder now (as it should be - it's a sport). Harder skills means more people might fall.
15:43 she was probably saying something shitty but Asac looked really cute there tbh (also lmao @ her face when she just realized she got knocked out of a medaling position)
I really think that the actually international level is so much lower than the past year's level
Aliya was like get the fuck off of me lmao
Sacramone looks like a bouncer when they're waiting for the Ukranian's score lol.
Love Alicia's leo!
It was like that the year after too, I guess the NOS and BBC commentating booths were always right next to each other.
Haha just noticed that too - she says 'very nice walk over there'.. so something to that effect
I really don't like Bross and Sacramone talking about the other gymnasts. Their facial expressions are so obvious and it's bad sportsmanship. I'm glad they weren't at the Olympics to embarrass us with that.
Agree! And again, it's proves that mean people will never win anything. Lol
Alicia and her 10 world medals.
it's entitlement. they think because they are american they deserve a medal just for showing up. Similar to when the USA filed a stupid appeal after Laurie got a lower score than Sanne in the 2016 olympic beam final (Laurie had a D score of 6.5 all year and now they wanted to challenge it?) and the pissy looks on their faces after Aliya outscored Kocian on bars.
So tell me then, how do you feel about ferlito and het comment s??
Rebekah Ellen also, whay about komova s face ?? Ferrari? ponor? couldn't go on and on, but you'll just pull the "American entitlement" Alicia nailed it.. but had the first draw. the scripting here was do far off...
I love forever.
US attitude could not be worse. What a shame.
Se les ve desde lejos y cerca la falta de humildad a ésas chicas, qué bueno que ganó Rumania, hace mejor su rutina y se ve más humilde que las americanas
I know what you mean- but this guy really doesn't know gymnastics and he makes a lot of mistakes.. with Bross' routine he said at the beep: now she's at 1:20 and she's got 20 minutes to do her dismount! and he also called her arabian a half-turn.. I still think BBC's got the best commentary
Lovely hight on the somesault ------- Christine Still
why is everyone insinuating that Alicia and Rebecca are talking about the other girls? um....how do you know? They can't have a conversation without people assuming the worst? they could just simply be talking for all you know.
probs their pissed off expression at 19:14 after Ana went in front of them.
+Rebekah Ellen okay lots of gymnasts do that and it's no lroblem but when the Americans do the smallest things every loses their minds? I just think it's ridiculous lol😂
Rebeca debería de usar por lo menos brillo labial con 1 poco de color en la boca,parece muerto fresco :(
Isso vai de garota pra garota, algumas desenvolvem a vaidade um pouco mais tarde que outras. Ela é linda ao natural
i think i hear Christine's voice in the background
Is Eva's bullock balance beam? How do you actually write it?
Deng linlin has more difficulty
& Bross deserved higher. This code of points proves that.
lolzzz im glad i made u laugh!
The face that Alicia Sacramone makes at 19:12 - 19:18 is priceless... She and Rebecca knew that Ana Porgras was overscored (But she still deserved the gold in my opinion)
This sounds like the Romanian version of "Russians are divas".
And basil deng linlin actually won gold in the olympics so deng linlin deserved it
I don't know what this dude is saying, but I still like him better than Tim Daggett.
ahahahahahaha omg I spit pepsi all over my computer screen ahaha
❤鄧琳琳是一個最可靠的運動員永遠都保持高水準👍
I hope Yana Demyanchuk watched herself on TV because _what_ were those lines that year? Not to be offensive - as I am appreciative of true professional gymnastics, coming from the life of an acro-dancer and should not be judging - but my face was like 😕, 🤭, 😬.
What exactly did you mean by lines?? I personally couldn't believe her awful flexed foot during her L turn wtf!! How do you not point your foot?!! Also..I know it is nitpicky but her leotard being undone in the back at her beck really bothered me, she just looked so untidy and messy.
By lines, a person means the literal line that your entire body, especially your leg(s), will make during your movement. And no nitpicking, honey, it was clearly MUCH more than that one L-turn.
Hayden K. agreed! i couldnt believe i was seeing that...in a final! how did she even get there lol so unpleasant to watch.
Kris Uler the flexed foot was intentional. Notice how she clearly points it at the end. It’s more common in modern/contemporary dance. She doesn’t have a nice toe point in general, though. She was not my favorite by any means. This video made me realize how much I miss Ana Porgras and the sad state of Romanian gymnastics today.
If her leotard fit her it would have helped too!
I really hope Porgras did NOT get credit for that sheep jump...look at her hip angle, YIKES!
^-^
Does Alicia have to cover her Tatoo? On the back of her neck?
+Thebeautybox56 As you know it is of the Olympic rings logo, which is copyrighted. And as this is a FIG event and not an Olympic event they do not have a license to show that logo in any form, including Sacramone's tattoo.
I read somewhere, I don't know how accurate it is but I read somewhere that she could be disqualified if she doesn't cover with a patch or something
alicia is such a bad ass !!!
mustafina hahaahaha
idk why mustafina was so sad. Shit, she already got like two golds and other medals.
jeez, chill the fuck out, you really said that in such an attacking, rude way in response to a random offhand comment.
I was just surprised that she cried, because in later years she was never so disappointed? I guess it's just because she's younger here and this was her first.
Fun Facts yea true i did phrase ir pretty harshly upon reading it again just now lol!
Fun Facts i deleted it since that wasnt my intention haha
well thank you