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miranda something depends the Sephora near Fenway Park employees are quite snobby! I have to name drop a famous gay friend of mine's name to in order to actually go in there and get good advice and service!
As far as the "gay area" comment, it's the truth. Anyone that's from this area knows that in Houston, that is the most 'gay friendly' area. It's no secret that everyone reffers to that area as such. It is what it is.
Very true. I live in South Texas. People down here are kinda but not really gay friendly. But if you're gay and want to go to Texas you should go to Houston
i find it kind of weird that ulta could tweet about carol’s work schedule on social media.... i feel like that is a safety risk towards her. idk.... like you can’t call someone’s place of work and ask when they work so why would they post it on twitter?
I think its meant to mean something like 'Hey whats drama? More shit. Over it.' Kind of thing? Because theres always so much tea going on all the time now its like a funny way of saying "more bullshit, over it" or something? Idk I could be wrong but thats how I understood it haha
Carol cant write a comment about Darius’ affiliation with Ulta, but Ulta can tweet to RUclipsrs with millions of followers that Carol is scheduled to work tomorrow? 😳😳😒 Okayy back to watching...
I don't know how Ulta's policies are because we don't have an Ulta here in Canada, but I do know that in a lot of big companies, it is considered a violation of confidentiality to disclose when an employee works (unless the employee tells you personally).
Elaine Wireman they say she jumped the gun too fast and didnt get fired but she was literally about to be. In America, if you hear that you're being terminated, may as well search for a new job. They based literally 90% of the video on that fact to try to make it seem like she waa manipulating Shane when in reality she was originally thinking this whole situation was a sign to move on and questioned if she should actually go back, but that wasn't shown in this video from what I remember. They ignored the fact that the company played the victim card and lied to shane and the entirety of twitter to make them look better too. So saying she was the only one "playing victim" is bias and one-sided. I'd Reccommend going to another video for facts that weren't said here.
Kurama how do you call someone going on Twitter to complain about being fired when she officially wasn't? If she is not playing victim what is she doing then? And even if she got taken back, the other employee are gonna hate her and her bosses too so she might as well quit bc they are not gonna make things easy for her bc now she is just the fat girl that got unfired because she told celebrities to attack the brand she was working for. She's just a fucking fat cow victim playing.
She absolutely was getting fired. When you are told not to come to your next 2-3 SCHEDULED shifts, they are filing your termination papers. Period. Anyone who knows how being fired works, would be very upset and scared the second they were told not to return to work until they called you. She took to social and reached out to help save her own job, and good for her. She didn't do anything wrong to be terminated.
This. Idk if it's because Sam is Canadian that she percieves it differently but in America if a company is telling you the are considering firing you, you are as good as fired. Now she is drawing a lot of hate towards Carol who honestly doesn't deserve it. Anyone who thinks she wasn't being fired is delusional
She wasnt told to take time off tho. She was simply told she would receive an answer within 24-48 hours. That doesn't mean time off especially after the mod said she was expected to stay to finish her shift. Once she clocked and walked she effectively ended her own employment. no matter the reason or final decision
They were totally going to fire her lol. They just didn't want to be understaffed that day that's why they didn't straight out fire her right then and there.
'She was never fired. She was still waiting back from HR in response about her position', oh come on girl we all know that if we get taken into a meeting like that and they say the magic words of 'we will keep in contact about your future employment' that it means they are getting rid of your ass. Don't make it sound like she had a choice in staying for the rest of her shift when they were just about to fire her all because they couldn't be bothered to replace her shift right then and there whilst in the meeting.
She might have been fired, yes. But she never was. She left before they fired her, she then went over social media to make Shane feel bad for her. She left because of the thought she had about being fired. She even said that she was late and other reason as to why they could have fired her.
She assumed she was fired which is a big difference to actually being fired. People assume the worst in everything but this caused unnecessary drama. Ulta’s only issue was the gay area comment which true or not could have been misconstrued as homophobic. They didn’t say “you’re fired” they said basically “we’ll keep you posted”. That’s like a kid getting upset when they ask for a cookie and their mom says “later” and they assume that means no. She was over dramatic and jumped to conclusions she more so quit than get fired since she didn’t even want to stay for the full shift. Now she got paid leave for being a drama queen.
I think the main issue was that people knew the location were it was filmed and people were constantly coming in just to see her and calling the store.
Followed it all as it went down. I don't think Carol meant to mislead Shane nor was she malicious in reaching out. She was freaking out and, as anyone would in a situation where their job was literally on the line, she acted out of fear and anxiousness. Because she's human and not infallible. Obviously that phone call with HR gave her the impression the writing was on the wall. Yeah, technically it wasn't true but we all know it would've been a day or so later. No one defending her acted with malicious intent. I don't think it hurts any of their names. Ulta knew what they were going to do and without the shit storm, she was as good as gone. And, even if a shit storm would've surfaced after her formal termination, let's be real here... they would have done damage control and stated she lost her job due to tardiness or some other reason. These multi million dollar companies aren't stupid. I think the only one that looks shady here is Ulta.
Michelle Rhodes TOTALLY AGREE Super shady behavior on Ulta’s part. The managers basically bullied Carol and threatened her with termination. And she took back control. Well played.
LalaTranslated i think that too, she said that an employee was fired from there cause she gave a gift card away, so obviously she would freak out because, basically, she was going out because people were filming there without permission, she gave a makeover while she was supposed to be working, she said it was a "gay area", and she gave away information about an employee. They were gonna fire her
That's why they waited all those hours to put out a cleverly crafted answer like they didn't know what she talking about why would they tell her to clean out her locker if it was truly up in the air, she was right they wanted her to finish out the day it doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
Jackie Mezh Torres I think they liked the video, they were just scared that her comment that is: "this is the gay area" came off as an offensive joke. They had good intentions by firing her but they didn't have good enough of a communication to actually understand that the joke wasn't meant to be offensive.
One day the INFIRES nation attacked ...maybe, but they’d rather fire before they even dig deeper for an answer. I hate how corporate just axes people not even caring whether the person they are firing is a paycheck away from total ruin. How they seemingly aren’t phased by thinking - it’s easier for us to make her collateral damage than to handle things via employee support, etc.
I was an HR Manager and LP Manager for a large retailer for 15 years. We would never meet with an employee over such a serious matter and put them back on the sales floor. We always suspended them. If they were returned back to work, we would pay them for the time off. You don’t upset an employee to that degree and force them to go out and act as though nothing is happening. Having your job threatened is very traumatic for most. (I’ve had some that couldn’t have cared less) Bad on HR for threatening her job and making her go back to work.
I once made a huge mistake and got something on my permanent record. Was told this by my manager at the start of my shift and was expected to just go back on the floor and work for the rest of the day. I learned my lesson but how does one work after a huge bomb like that?
Abby Lowe But wouldn't that be another reason to send her home afterwards? It makes them look worse that they had this conversation and expected her to act like everything is good.
She was not actually fired but she was definitely going to be fired. People who work in retail know how these conversations go. She jumped the gun a little yes, but ulta is acting like she wasnt going to be let go when they know dam well they were going to terminate her.
to be honest: its not "ruthless and horribile"... HR manages a huge part of an enormous company. The damage to other employees could be unimaginable if more people thought "gay part" is insulting.... This isn't just firing one employee, this is protecting many others.
I used to work at a popular mall in NYC and I remember this this homosexual hairdresser with 36 inches of hair in a ponytail, who sold curling irons at a kiosk stand got fired because he was "not a good image for the mall." We know why he was fired because the mall owner hired someone to do a "yearly" check of each shop and would ask his secretary to jot down what he thought was wrong with the store. Apparently, hairdresser was a problem. They made it seem like he wasn't making money but he had a good following with the girls. I haven't seem him at the mall since but I follow him on socials and see him on the apps.
As someone who's lost their retail job over a misunderstanding, I really sympathise with Carol. Even though it may have been wrong to give a declarative statement at the time, I understand what she might be feeling: blindsided and confused. I'm glad people stood up for her because too often do corporations forget that they're nothing without their employees.
I agree! I wasn’t fired but when I was much younger I got into some trouble at a job because of a post with a celebrity on social media and not knowing the rules of tagging locations and privacy for the company I was employed with at the time. I could have been terminated if I didn’t have an impeccable record and wasn’t running my location for the manager. It’s hard when you are in the moment and having a fan girl/boy experience! Plus it can be hurtful when you get reprimanded by your higher ups for something you didn’t really fully understand at the time.
idk to me it sounds like ulta just changed up real quick once they saw the backlash. if i were carol i would have been confused too. if i was told to expect a call regarding my potential termination i would not expect to be returning to work. in fact i think the ONLY reason they didn't fire her right on the spot is because they needed to get the paperwork ready from their HR and also needed to fill her place on the work schedule. IMO carol didn't do anything wrong here. also carol can't speak on ulta but ulta can speak for carol? all very shady.
Agreed they were gonna fire her, and to tell her she had to continue to work will they decided is BS. How u gonna make someone work under mental duress
exactly, another example of their lack of professionalism. i wouldn't have been able to focus for the duration of my shift, and as she said she couldn't stop crying and felt unable to work. they should have waited until the end of her shift to confront her.
I feel like had Carol not posted about this-Ulta would have full on fired. I personally think Ulta’s post was trying to do damage control. Also I see You Tubers filming in Ulta’s all the time?
I won’t say which location this is but it is here in Houston and there is a huge gay community which is pretty large! I love this area where the store is located so many restaurants,bars and shops . It’s really nice. Her comment was not homophobic at all she was answering the question honestly.
Anyone else confused about how her comment was "homophobic"? Where I live, we have genuine 'gay areas', like areas in the towns and cities were people in the gay community go out clubbing and stuff and it's not homophobic. It's not like they're segregated for being gay, it's just easier having bars that are for gay men or women because it means they can meet other people who are gay much easier. I think Ulta were being way too cruel by making that an issue when it's in no way homophobic
Because Ulta, with a poor understanding of what homophobia actually is, decided that it's more progressive to fire a gay employee for saying the word "gay" than like actually understanding that context is important. I feel like it's up the same alley of when white people chastise a poc for saying brown or black in regards to skintone because we think "colorblindness" is good (it's not bc it erases identities and leads to people coming full circle and thinking that racism isn't real). So, in a similar context, Ulta probably thought they were doing something good because of a "labels are for soup cans" mentality, tried to pull a "we are all human regardless of orientation", and was super blind to the fact that they were firing a gay employee for saying "gay," and thus erasing her identity in favor of the mentality that "gay is a dirty word." :/
It can be seen as a homophobic comment to some people. If I over heard someone say, "it's the gay area" in a professional makeup store I'd be kind of offended. It's just not something you should say in a work place.
Two words...... DAMAGE CONTROL..... Ulta was full of crap. They were gonna fire her. Give me a break. They will say whatever they can to come out on top. And making Carol look like she was lying was just dirty. And they brought up her schedule? It's ridiculous. This poor woman. Watch..... they will find some bullshit reason to fire her. They're trying to cover their tracks. I'm so proud of the beauty community that they stepped up! I'm glad she reached out to Shane!
but she probably was going to be ulta was totally trying to save face when they saw all of these important influencers tweeting about this situation she did over react a little but it helped her out a little bit
Mushroom Destroyer, I totally agree with you, but I also feel like a part of her was sitting there at work after that phone call and maybe slightly a little disillusioned in meeting Shane Dawson. Decided 'f*** this I don't need this', went home and decided to rant about it on Twitter to Shane Dawson in the hopes that possibly he would take pity on her and give her a job. I don't know, that's just the way I took it. I definitely think that if she hadn't of preemptively freaked out, Ulta definitely would have fired her and then she would have went home and rightfully freaked out and the same thing would have happened over again, except Ulta would look even worse and then have to literally come crawling back to her. So if anything, she just made Ulta look a little bit better then they would have made themselves look.
IN NO WAY DID SHE MISLEAD HIM!! how did she leave out information that was never clear to her. She said in her live that they kept saying the word termination basically leading her to believe she would be fired at the end of her shift
Ik this is old but wtf I felt Ulta's tweets were hella unprofessional... like "she's coming to work tomorrow" lolllll whatttt but Carol WAS doing the most
I'd be doing the most too if I was about to be fired from my job after five years of employment. That is crazy that they'd do her dirty like that after she helped make them look so good in Shane's video.
idk why Ulta would even be like we are gonna take 24-48 hours to decide if you're gonna stay or not. Why not just tell me then and there if I need to look for another job? She COULD of waited but as someone with anxiety I'd probably react the same way honestly cause I'd automatically assume the worst.
ULTA literally had no shame on saying one thing to this girl and another thing to the internet, why couldn't they talk first to Carol and then say it was a miscommunication from their part, apologize and be done with it? But no, they had to "clean" their name saying bullshit to others Edit: btw Carol's makeup that day was poppin 👏🏽
I’m sorry but if a company uses termination multiple times and has clearly stated “we don’t want you to represent our company” she was going to be fired. Point blank, that’s an obvious statement and the only reason she wasn’t fired in that conversation is because legally they needed to figure out how to handle the situation. And don’t tell me if you thought you were fired or would be shortly you would work a shift which could be 6-10 hours with people who talked down to you.
I thought she was being "fired" over the gay comment she made not the filming and they said she was an hour late to work.. and that tardiness was already a problem, just because she made a great makeover doesn't make her a perfect employee.
I legit think Ulta was going to fire Carol. But they realized the backlash they received from all of the retweets and decided to cover their behinds. Smh. Still, shame on Ulta.
I think she did the right thing reaching out to Shane. Why wait till you get “officially” fired to try to try and solve this issue, nah handle that shit for me Mama Shane😂😂😂 and the gag is... it worked! Thanks for my nightly tea ☕️☺️
Come on now. HR cannot tell an employee the status of their employment is being reviewed by upper management and then tell them to go back to work. A worse person could’ve robbed the store blind between the time they went back on the floor and the time they left for the day or could’ve done any number of things to sabotage the store/company. She could’ve told every customer that walked in that they were firing her and they shouldn’t shop there anymore. She did none of that. What did she do? She panicked. And anyone who says they would react differently has never been dependent on their job for money. If you depend on your job, as in, if you don’t work, you don’t eat, you don’t have a home, etc, you would also panic when the status of your job was in question. As Garrett said, it’s 2018. This stuff(people filming in stores) happens ALL THE TIME. Maybe Ulta should consider training for their employees for this specific situation.
i was in Carols position a long ago with Ulta as well. i was told that i would have to meet with HR and they would determine whether i got to keep my job or not. i quit the same day and applied at sephora and ended up getting the job! sephora was my fav job i’ve ever had, i miss working there but i’ve moved on to bigger things. hopefully carol does too!
That's the smartest thing to do as usually speaking to HR is just so that you get fired properly and not by a manager who might mess up the way to do things.
The problem here is not about whether she was actually fired, its the fact that Ulta's HR even considered to terminate her on a comment what wasn't even offensive. They scared Carol into thinking she was going to be fired because they told her a decision would be made if she would be terminated or not. There is no reason she should have been terminated in the first place, that's the truth.... The bigger picture here is that Ulta's HR got all butt hurt over something that's not even offensive, the smaller picture is that she might have gotten fired from the video. If it wasn't for shane's influence and following, then HR would have fired her for sure just because they seemed to have already thought about it enough to contact Carol to tell her she might be terminated. I think Carol walking out and tweeting she was fired was a natural frantic reaction.
I don’t directly work for ulta but I freelance within their stores under a brand. Plus I was also a former employee. Carol had to know the protocol and ignored it. I’ve sat through the same trainings. Only salon or boutique employees can do full face makeovers. Prestige employees can do color matches or small touch ups. The service is 60 dollars, but some will let you get away with buying at least that much in product. She knew they needed permission to film in store. She knew they needed to buy product. She was star struck and ignored the rules and that’s on her. And Shane should have called ahead and asked policies so he didn’t jeopardize the ulta employees positions. Her name or location should not have been mentioned for security. It just seemed like a poorly thought out idea on both ends.
The manager that was there that day approved it. So how is it her fault if the manager said it was okay for them to do. If anyone should have gotten in trouble for that detail, it should've been the manager on duty that day. Carol was correct, she followed the chain of command. Just sayin
@@XxXShevampXxX you are absolutly right! She knew that it could give them free advertisement and would be a cool opportunity, so she asked her manager.
What about the fact that she was frequently late to her shift? Couple minutes I understand but 1 hour is a *long* time. And apparently, she's done this several times (she said this herself). It's been my experience that someone who doesn't care about coming in on time generally has bad work ethics. Of course I'm only speculating here but to me, it seems like there's more to the story. Maybe the video thing was just the last straw for Ulta and decided she wasn't worth it after all. (Not hating on Carol but just listening to her side of the story paints only half the picture) And honestly, don't mix your work life with personal life, especially social media. Obviously people can, and have, lost their job over stupid stuff they said on social media. RUclipsrs should be more sensitive about it and always always always ask permission to film instead of just assuming everyone's cool with it. Just because they're okay with publicizing their life, not everyone feels the same way. And before you say dumb shit like "but there's security cameras everywhere," security camera footage doesn't (or at least shouldn't) end up on social media for the world to see.
Vicodyn you're being stupid and I feel it's on purpose. HR doesn't deliberate at that point. She was fired they where just getting her sugar honey iced tea together before they do so. That being said, she knew she was going to be filmed. She accepted it, the male employee accepted it. This is a stupid comment like shane has never turned off the camera while talking to people to NOT film a part that person doesn't want filmed
Sana You want her to work with tears streaming down her face? I had a manager at a retail job who made me stay in that exact situation it was not fun for anyone involved and I don't blame anyone for walking out in that condition. Especially when you weren't offered to go somewhere private to get it together for as long as needed the way mine and Carol's didn't.
Oh girl, when corporate starts talking about we'll get back to you about the "status of your employment" there's a pretty high chance that your ass is already terminated. HOWEVER, because she made a stink about it and everyone jumped on Ulta's ass they backpedaled like a mofo to save face. Long story short, she wasn't fired on paper (yet) but she was definitely fired in theory. Just my two cents.
Joshua Rock they give u 48 hours hoping u will just quit is the truth. I've worked in HR and it's a lot easier if they just quit. So much less paperwork. Especially if it's full timers that will seek unemployment and then the state is up our ass.
They will find another reason to fire her in a month if she goes back. She said herself she is late all the time. That’s not good work ethic and she will get fired for that and this whole mess but it will be after things cool down. Mark my words. I doubt she will go back because she knows it too. Now other companies will know she is drama and it will be hard for her to get any job which is sad because I prob would have done the same thing. She was freaking out and did what she thought might save her job. It did for now but the ramifications will be major in long run.
Personally I didn’t think Morgan’s makeup looked that good.... so IMO I feel like it’s just a publicity stunt to get herself in a position to start her own RUclips channel with the hopes that it would roll in some decent traffic from Shane’s followers. She definitely jumped the gun. And the whole “ha I loved meeting you, but it got me fired” posts she kept posting was really annoying. It makes it seem less genuine for me.
It wasn't meant to look amazing, it was meant to look like really big and extra, which doesn't usually look good, xD. Also, if she wanted to start some sort of channel, or get fame, she probably would've said more, or actually made a video.
Heather Johnson I believe it may have to do liability. This case would be a perfect example-an employee doing or saying something that can get the company sued-that’s why HR was involved because of her comment.
Heather Johnson it’s generally a legal thing. Stores don’t want to be caught with their pants down and don’t want a possible incident to be put out on social media to create bad press for them.
Heather Johnson The official reason is because they don’t want potential thieves having the opportunity to scope out an area and see where everything is without them having to walk in, and they also don’t want their competition (Sephora) see what they do in their stores or how it’s run.
Thank you guys for your answers! They all make sense and I understand now. I always wondered why people would get so upset when someone filmed in a store.
Haley BrieAnne That’s hella dumb. Even if people don’t record, thieves can just walk in, look around for a while and walk out. Not recording isn’t going to stop them
Lets be real....they were definitely going to fire her. When u know you're going to be fired of course you're gonna say u got fired. Your not gonna post they pulled me in hr and threw the would termination at me multiple times and told me they will let me know if I have a job...like give me a break...literally the onlyyyyy reason she wasn't fired was bc of her reaching out so I say good job to her for fighting for her life
Yup. The reason they don't say your fired is because HR has to do it as it can be touchy on HOW to fire someone and there is certain paperwork that needs to be done.
Ok but I really need to know why they fired Darius though...he was the best part of the video. Where are the pitchforks for Darius? I don't buy that they fired him for some other reason
Carol posted on Shane's video that it had something to do with theft. Not sure if her original comment is still up. I saw it a few minutes after she posted it.
why did you have to clarify that it has nothing to do with race, like yea he might or might not have done theft but you can't just jump into conclusions and say he was prob "hooking all his friends up" and how does one look like the type to steal from work just asking
toni. I don't remember whether she said when he got fired. My guess is she got in trouble for telling people Darius was fired for theft. In my experience, personnel issues aren't public and it's possible the managers at that particular Ulta store can get (or got) in trouble for letting that get out among the other employees, if it is true.
I've been apart of company's that have a policy that they can or cannot let the person finish the shift BUT while they have their 24-48 hour period to let you know you if you are fired or not you are permanently suspended until further notice. That means you can no longer work any shift and cannot collect on any vacation or paid time off that you may have accumulated and all keys have to be turned in. I don't know if that's the case here but those are some policies that I'm aware of from different corporates. That may be why she said that after the meeting she just left. It's actually pretty normal for people to do and I'm surprised the manager didn't let her leave in the first place if she was too emotional to work properly anyways. Idk if she misled everyone on purpose or not that's on her character... Ulta however did nothing but damage control after Twitter blew up. They also should never have confirmed that she still worked there. Saying someone is no longer with the company is acceptable as people were trying to contact them continuously interrupting everyday work. Giving someone scheduled out is not appropriate or even legal in some states. The can be sued if someone give information to the wrong person like a parent, spouse or stalker. (If they are not where they say they are going to be and cause a person to be harmed ect.) This goes for all scheduling matters.
Clearly, you've never been in this situation. If they call you in for a "deliberation period", you're already fired. They're just trying to find someone to replace you.
I felt bad for Carol when the whole mess went down....Initially, I thought Ulta did her so DIRTY 😫😳 But after looking at the receipts, I think she jumped the gun with the ‘getting fired’ thing 🤦🏽♀️
Okay but can you blame her. If you get called into a scary meeting where they threaten to fire you and will neither confirm nor deny whether your job is safe, wouldn’t you assume you were fired? If your job was safe, why keep you waiting? And even if you were willing to wait on a final decision, wouldn’t you be upset that you’ve been threatened to lose your job? I agree she probably shouldn’t have taken to social media immediately but in her situation... I probably would have done the same
Tessa Newman I agree with your comment. True, she didn’t know what the outcome would be and if it wasn’t for Shane Dawson & the other big RUclipsrs, she more than likely would have been fired. But I probably would have taken it to social media AFTER being fired....that way the company would just look REALLY bad. I wouldn’t even want to work there anymore if I were her, I would be applying to other makeup counters
Sorry I'm gonna disagree with you here. I think it's incredibly unprofessional of Ulta to throw around the word termination without doing it. fire the girl or don't but letting her know that they we're thinking about it and this waiting 48 hours to SEE if she's going get fired would make anyone just assume they are about to lose their job. If anything it's worse because it draws out the suspense
the waiting 48 hours is the proffessional way of doing things. It's less of a "if" but more of a "let us get everything ready so we can do it proprely". She knew that.
You go Carol!!!! You did what you had to do. You didn't let them use you and throw you away. This is a Victory for the little guys who have been walked over. You go girl!!!
I don’t think she should’ve been fired for the video but I do think as a company I would side eye the way she acted and handled everything in the decision making period. She was not fired they let her know she had 24/48 hours for them to make a decision and she lashed back out at the company. I wouldn’t have offered her job back at that point.
i don’t know why but carol seems sketchy. idk something about her seems a bit off she made sure to publicize every aspect of this and I understand that she wanted to make it public to increase the chances of her keeping her job but it seems strange that she would continuously make comments about the situation and keep saying “they fired me bc of shane’s video” over and over again. She also stated that she was late several times which leads me to believe that Ulta has been wanting to terminate her position for a long time and the video gave them an even better excuse to do it other than her just being tardy
Honestly i dont know why shed want to stay after that. You spend so much time at work who wants to feel uncomfortable & unwanted? If i were her i wouldve just left & gone elsewhere.
Personally I think ultra just did damage control. They probably didn’t expect her to get her more than likely future termination to go viral and get so much backlash. Imagine how much business they could’ve lost if they would’ve followed through with firing her. I firmly believe they had every intention on firing her until they were caught by every well known beauty guru and needed to pretend they had no intentions of firing her. That’s just my opinion though. And to my knowledge she wasn’t asked to come back while they were waiting on the status of her employment.
I agree, should of waited until she got fired instead of thinking she got fired beforehand. Then reached out....but i understand if she was acting in fear, if HR says they’ll come to a decision within 48 hours, of course you’re thinking “Fired.” I also feel like Ulta WOULD of fired her had she not of reached out in the first place and only let her stay because of all the backlash they received..idk I’m neutral about this, but at least she did get to keep her job. ALSO, how man my times was Ulta going to say “CAROL IS SCHEDULED TO WORK TOMORROW!” smh. 😑
Okay, so as someone who has worked in retail for huge companies like Ulta, I would have done exactly what Carol did. You have to head these corporations off at the pass because they will fire you for NO reason. These places are like revolving doors. I don’t think Carol got it twisted- Ulta was playing corporate mind games so often seen in business to keep their employees scared and towing the line. I applaud ALL the RUclipsrs rallying behind her
This all makes sense but before this video I saw another thay didn't cover the miscommunication and what added to it was The way ULTA said "carols still on the schedule and we will see her for her shift tomorrow" made it seem like they were covering their mistake of firing her. I wish they said that they said there was a miscommunication about the firing in those big response tweets
I dont think there was misunderstanding. 24-48 hours is typical HR tactic of hoping people quit, so they less paperwork and dont have to pay unemployment. Carol assumed she was fired and you know what id assume it too. Usually if you're not being fired they will tell you right away. ULTA thought they were just sweeping out a nobody, but it turned out that "nobody" led to a PR disaster. Personally I feel given all this Ulta still acted shady.
Carol might have jumped the gun but that move got her her job back. They put the stress on thick. Maybe in the usa its different but you touch less money if you walk out rather than get fired. That whole situation was screaming " YOU ARE DONE"
Why did Shane not buy anything??? That’s kind of fucked up. Walking into a store, using products, filming, taking workers away from paying customers... and not buying a SINGLE thing??? Maybe she wouldn’t have been at risk for losing her job if he bought something..... that seems to really the issue.
It's not shanes thing I feel there is something we don't know there. I am sure if she said "hey there is a fee" then he'd pay it....and ULTA has a service for makeovers....
I am on carols side, ulta would have definitely fired her and if she brought it to Shane/social media later, ulta would have just given a different reason for her termination as damage control to everyone. That being said, this is why I love to come to your channel. You are unbiased and basically a beauty investigator channel who looks at the whole picture and give it to us as information. Thanks for the tea 🍵
Some at the comment section said that she's a liar and this video's title is misleading and portraying her as a villain.. No i dont think so. I agree with what Ms. Tea said, although she could have wait for the 24-48 hr decision to be made, We all know that she's definitely fired at this point. During that waiting time, she literally cant go to work and not getting paid. That must be stressful and frustrating and even traumatizing to some people. So yeah, sh I couldve waited longer but it's really humane of her to act like that and reaching out. All is done, but please dont push the victim around. She has to experienced all this shit and not us, and I think trying to get another perspective around it and possibly blaming her for her experience is just not right. ( I just have problems with ppl calling her a liar....She was scared and freaked out, people, come on..)
THANK GOODNESS! Finally someone making sense in this situation. I agree with your video.... she should have told Shane etc that she “ was in DANGER of losing her job” ( the truth) vs that she was fired....which she wasn’t. Now the fact that she keeps tweeting negative things about Ulta after being told repeatedly she is NOT fired is just stupidity IMHO. if she actually WANTS to be fired, she’s heading in the right direction. ARGH!
The thing is that she was fired they just have to built the case towards you before pulling the plug . I work for them “terminated” for almost a month I found out my statues walked out and never came back , & got terminated for not clocking out for the day. It’s such a shady company
♠theNoizyBunny♠ I do think they probably WOULD have fired her after the waiting period, But since they hadn’t YET, she would have gotten the same support from Shane etc had she said what had truly happened and that she was most likely ABOUT to lose her job. That way she looks totally above board in every respect and I’m sure she still would have gotten the support. Do you think she should go back?
Honestly big businesses like this will try to come for u over the tiniest thing. They were probably quite aggressive with her if its anything like what Ive experienced.
I don’t think carol meant to be misleading. It definitely seemed like they were going to fire her. She was freaking out and scared. She was doing anything she could think of.
I live in Houston and Montrose (where this Ulta is located) is known as a prominently gay area. However, as someone who had been a regular shopper at this ulta location, Carol has been rude to my sister and I on a variety of occasions. She is not nice when it comes to answering questions or giving advice about products. With this being said I don't think the company firing her over a video or a casual comment made in said video, is fair. However, as someone who's worked in retail for years, I did not think she was polite or attentive towards her customers and I don't feel as bad about the situation given that every time we have encountered her she has been rude and unhelpful.
oh i can definitely tell that's her deal. i know the type. still not on the side of ULTA but you can see she was doing the most because of shane being a semi celeb.
shit over it
Here For The Tea hey sis what's tea
same as fuck.
Here For The Tea 😂😂😂😂😂😂 love you Sam! Thanks for the real tea, I appreciate all the hard work you put in on all your videos! Take care and much love to 🍯 ❤️
Everytime someone comes for you this should just be your response 😂 #TeaSis
Here For The Tea 😂😂😂😂😂 honey this is my mood daily.
sephora could have made a marketing move by tweeting carol and offering her a job lol
Lolol
Lmao tru
miranda something depends the Sephora near Fenway Park employees are quite snobby! I have to name drop a famous gay friend of mine's name to in order to actually go in there and get good advice and service!
They did reach out to her not over Twitter. And she now works for Sephora and says she loves it.
miranda something seriously!!
As far as the "gay area" comment, it's the truth. Anyone that's from this area knows that in Houston, that is the most 'gay friendly' area. It's no secret that everyone reffers to that area as such.
It is what it is.
Jen with one N I think it’s homophobic that they got so offended that it was called the “gay area” lol
Very true. I live in South Texas. People down here are kinda but not really gay friendly. But if you're gay and want to go to Texas you should go to Houston
wouldn't that be dallas?
d a r k s i d e No Dallas is in northern Texas
I figured they were in Montrose area of Houston when I heard it. Its true!
i find it kind of weird that ulta could tweet about carol’s work schedule on social media.... i feel like that is a safety risk towards her. idk.... like you can’t call someone’s place of work and ask when they work so why would they post it on twitter?
Skylar Rychner also, they can post when she's working but she can't say Darius doesn't work there?
they were obvsly doing damage control by that point.
Ya she just made it fucking easy for them lol
Edit: I mean the damage control fix
Eh but didn’t 6.5 million people know where she worked?
Kaz yes, but i do think it’s against policy to give out someone’s schedule - whether people know where she works or not.
lol is it even legal to share Carols work schedule on twitter??? Wtf Ulta
lolol no!! and against company policies obviously soooooo ?????
Actually I never thought of that! Yeah seems a little sketchy
Breach of data protection
!! I'm in management and we are 100% not allowed to tell anyone outside the company when an employee is working lol
they didn't give her schedule. it is legal to say if she's scheduled, just can't say at what time.
Conspiracy Theory: Darius started the Tea so he could promote his slogan T-Shirt clothing line.
*_"Shit over it"_*
😂😂😂
“Hey Sis, Whats Tea?”
“Shit. Over it.”
I'm Shook-ith you’re not suppose to that’s why it’s funny
Half expecting Shane to come out with this as merch
I think its meant to mean something like 'Hey whats drama? More shit. Over it.' Kind of thing? Because theres always so much tea going on all the time now its like a funny way of saying "more bullshit, over it" or something? Idk I could be wrong but thats how I understood it haha
Rae Rae yup 😂
Tessa Newman Shane Dawson x Darius collection 😂
Carol cant write a comment about Darius’ affiliation with Ulta, but Ulta can tweet to RUclipsrs with millions of followers that Carol is scheduled to work tomorrow? 😳😳😒 Okayy back to watching...
RadderThanYou2 i was wondering this too... like i feel like that’s a security/safety risk to post someone’s work schedule on social media
I don't know how Ulta's policies are because we don't have an Ulta here in Canada, but I do know that in a lot of big companies, it is considered a violation of confidentiality to disclose when an employee works (unless the employee tells you personally).
aquamelody8 especially since ppl already know which location they were at.
RadderThanYou2 RIGHT
RadderThanYou2 EXACTLY. Both your comments are spot on
shane is literally the sweetest, honestly getting her fired isn’t fair at all smh.
exposed We love an appreciative shishtar
love shane!
Shane is the most kind hearted youtuber out there.
Starshine Makeup2018 Shane and Jenna marbles are angels
Fran Fox I don’t like Jenna much but she seems nice! I just love Shane so much he is so pure and giving and sweet.
Garret kept calling Ulta 'Ultra'...
So?
Kyle Woolridge Grant lol right
Kyle Woolridge Grant that’s why he’s so beloved lol
Well, it’s Garrett we can’t expect much lol
Ulta....
Plus Ultra
I don't really watch "drama" channels but I appreciate how you brought actual facts and were unbiased. Don't find that too often
Elaine Wireman this was bias though
Kenny McCormick How so? (Sorry if I missed something)
Elaine Wireman they say she jumped the gun too fast and didnt get fired but she was literally about to be. In America, if you hear that you're being terminated, may as well search for a new job. They based literally 90% of the video on that fact to try to make it seem like she waa manipulating Shane when in reality she was originally thinking this whole situation was a sign to move on and questioned if she should actually go back, but that wasn't shown in this video from what I remember. They ignored the fact that the company played the victim card and lied to shane and the entirety of twitter to make them look better too. So saying she was the only one "playing victim" is bias and one-sided. I'd Reccommend going to another video for facts that weren't said here.
Elaine Wireman Facts? Try lies to cover shit up!
Kurama how do you call someone going on Twitter to complain about being fired when she officially wasn't? If she is not playing victim what is she doing then? And even if she got taken back, the other employee are gonna hate her and her bosses too so she might as well quit bc they are not gonna make things easy for her bc now she is just the fat girl that got unfired because she told celebrities to attack the brand she was working for. She's just a fucking fat cow victim playing.
“um, hello ultra!!”
oh garrett sweetie
jay jay i kid you not i just commented that💀
Gotta love him😂😂
The subtle shade in Ulta's response tho...💀💀💀
jay jay 😂😂 yesss
I love him lmfao
Sephora should offer her a job. Ultimate brand move.
Taylor Arledge lol Sephora is even worse than Ulta. Sephora won’t touch anything that could be deemed “controversial” with a ten foot stick.
She actually does work at Sephora now 😂
Really
Taylor Arledge
I think Jeffree should offer her a job 😂
Idk if you saw but someone literally stole your exact comment 😒
She absolutely was getting fired. When you are told not to come to your next 2-3 SCHEDULED shifts, they are filing your termination papers. Period. Anyone who knows how being fired works, would be very upset and scared the second they were told not to return to work until they called you. She took to social and reached out to help save her own job, and good for her. She didn't do anything wrong to be terminated.
This. Idk if it's because Sam is Canadian that she percieves it differently but in America if a company is telling you the are considering firing you, you are as good as fired. Now she is drawing a lot of hate towards Carol who honestly doesn't deserve it. Anyone who thinks she wasn't being fired is delusional
She wasnt told to take time off tho. She was simply told she would receive an answer within 24-48 hours. That doesn't mean time off especially after the mod said she was expected to stay to finish her shift. Once she clocked and walked she effectively ended her own employment. no matter the reason or final decision
They were totally going to fire her lol. They just didn't want to be understaffed that day that's why they didn't straight out fire her right then and there.
'She was never fired. She was still waiting back from HR in response about her position', oh come on girl we all know that if we get taken into a meeting like that and they say the magic words of 'we will keep in contact about your future employment' that it means they are getting rid of your ass. Don't make it sound like she had a choice in staying for the rest of her shift when they were just about to fire her all because they couldn't be bothered to replace her shift right then and there whilst in the meeting.
She might have been fired, yes. But she never was. She left before they fired her, she then went over social media to make Shane feel bad for her. She left because of the thought she had about being fired. She even said that she was late and other reason as to why they could have fired her.
She assumed she was fired which is a big difference to actually being fired. People assume the worst in everything but this caused unnecessary drama. Ulta’s only issue was the gay area comment which true or not could have been misconstrued as homophobic. They didn’t say “you’re fired” they said basically “we’ll keep you posted”. That’s like a kid getting upset when they ask for a cookie and their mom says “later” and they assume that means no. She was over dramatic and jumped to conclusions she more so quit than get fired since she didn’t even want to stay for the full shift. Now she got paid leave for being a drama queen.
Exactly. It’s them giving themselves your 2 week notice lmao
I think the main issue was that people knew the location were it was filmed and people were constantly coming in just to see her and calling the store.
Shocker, Here For the Tea purposely misled viewers. I am so shocked. /s
Followed it all as it went down. I don't think Carol meant to mislead Shane nor was she malicious in reaching out. She was freaking out and, as anyone would in a situation where their job was literally on the line, she acted out of fear and anxiousness. Because she's human and not infallible. Obviously that phone call with HR gave her the impression the writing was on the wall. Yeah, technically it wasn't true but we all know it would've been a day or so later. No one defending her acted with malicious intent. I don't think it hurts any of their names. Ulta knew what they were going to do and without the shit storm, she was as good as gone. And, even if a shit storm would've surfaced after her formal termination, let's be real here... they would have done damage control and stated she lost her job due to tardiness or some other reason. These multi million dollar companies aren't stupid. I think the only one that looks shady here is Ulta.
Michelle Rhodes TOTALLY AGREE Super shady behavior on Ulta’s part. The managers basically bullied Carol and threatened her with termination. And she took back control. Well played.
LalaTranslated i think that too, she said that an employee was fired from there cause she gave a gift card away, so obviously she would freak out because, basically, she was going out because people were filming there without permission, she gave a makeover while she was supposed to be working, she said it was a "gay area", and she gave away information about an employee. They were gonna fire her
I agree!!! You put it into words perfectly!
That's why they waited all those hours to put out a cleverly crafted answer like they didn't know what she talking about why would they tell her to clean out her locker if it was truly up in the air, she was right they wanted her to finish out the day it doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
Elaine I'm pretty sure the "makeover" was apart of her job..lol
They get paid to do makeup they are MUA's
Shit.
Over it.
It avsolutely was damage control and Ulta is kinda nasty for being crappy to her about the video and then like "om we loved the video"
Jackie Mezh Torres I think they liked the video, they were just scared that her comment that is: "this is the gay area" came off as an offensive joke. They had good intentions by firing her but they didn't have good enough of a communication to actually understand that the joke wasn't meant to be offensive.
One day the INFIRES nation attacked ...maybe, but they’d rather fire before they even dig deeper for an answer. I hate how corporate just axes people not even caring whether the person they are firing is a paycheck away from total ruin. How they seemingly aren’t phased by thinking - it’s easier for us to make her collateral damage than to handle things via employee support, etc.
Obviously*
Both sides were clearly lying
Amy Aberrant idk how Shane was lying he has video of meeting her etc.
if anyone was lying it was ulta.
Ever realized how smart Garret is even though he acts stupid and silly all the time lol
No.
i have! =)
He’s incredibly clever
I was an HR Manager and LP Manager for a large retailer for 15 years. We would never meet with an employee over such a serious matter and put them back on the sales floor. We always suspended them. If they were returned back to work, we would pay them for the time off. You don’t upset an employee to that degree and force them to go out and act as though nothing is happening. Having your job threatened is very traumatic for most. (I’ve had some that couldn’t have cared less) Bad on HR for threatening her job and making her go back to work.
amen
👏
I once made a huge mistake and got something on my permanent record. Was told this by my manager at the start of my shift and was expected to just go back on the floor and work for the rest of the day. I learned my lesson but how does one work after a huge bomb like that?
Abby Lowe It's 2018, filters and good genetics do wonders. I was still getting my ID checked for local curfew when I was 35. Some of us are blessed.
Abby Lowe But wouldn't that be another reason to send her home afterwards? It makes them look worse that they had this conversation and expected her to act like everything is good.
She was not actually fired but she was definitely going to be fired. People who work in retail know how these conversations go. She jumped the gun a little yes, but ulta is acting like she wasnt going to be let go when they know dam well they were going to terminate her.
it's not just retail. Any company that has a proper HR does this. They have to.
Jo these corporations are fucking ruthless and horrible
to be honest: its not "ruthless and horribile"... HR manages a huge part of an enormous company. The damage to other employees could be unimaginable if more people thought "gay part" is insulting.... This isn't just firing one employee, this is protecting many others.
I used to work at a popular mall in NYC and I remember this this homosexual hairdresser with 36 inches of hair in a ponytail, who sold curling irons at a kiosk stand got fired because he was "not a good image for the mall." We know why he was fired because the mall owner hired someone to do a "yearly" check of each shop and would ask his secretary to jot down what he thought was wrong with the store. Apparently, hairdresser was a problem. They made it seem like he wasn't making money but he had a good following with the girls. I haven't seem him at the mall since but I follow him on socials and see him on the apps.
As someone who's lost their retail job over a misunderstanding, I really sympathise with Carol. Even though it may have been wrong to give a declarative statement at the time, I understand what she might be feeling: blindsided and confused. I'm glad people stood up for her because too often do corporations forget that they're nothing without their employees.
I agree! I wasn’t fired but when I was much younger I got into some trouble at a job because of a post with a celebrity on social media and not knowing the rules of tagging locations and privacy for the company I was employed with at the time. I could have been terminated if I didn’t have an impeccable record and wasn’t running my location for the manager. It’s hard when you are in the moment and having a fan girl/boy experience! Plus it can be hurtful when you get reprimanded by your higher ups for something you didn’t really fully understand at the time.
when companies say its being looked over that means fired 99% of the time. I've worked in retail for 25 years and that's the hr game. its disgusting
Agreeeeed that literally just happened to me with a company "looking over" for almost 3 months then fired me.
She literally said she was tardy several times and she walked out .
Wow bisexual woman fired for being “homophobic” 🤦🏽♀️ I just don’t have words...
idk to me it sounds like ulta just changed up real quick once they saw the backlash. if i were carol i would have been confused too. if i was told to expect a call regarding my potential termination i would not expect to be returning to work. in fact i think the ONLY reason they didn't fire her right on the spot is because they needed to get the paperwork ready from their HR and also needed to fill her place on the work schedule. IMO carol didn't do anything wrong here. also carol can't speak on ulta but ulta can speak for carol? all very shady.
but very thorough video once again. and well handled by queen shane.
Agreed they were gonna fire her, and to tell her she had to continue to work will they decided is BS. How u gonna make someone work under mental duress
exactly, another example of their lack of professionalism. i wouldn't have been able to focus for the duration of my shift, and as she said she couldn't stop crying and felt unable to work. they should have waited until the end of her shift to confront her.
I feel like had Carol not posted about this-Ulta would have full on fired. I personally think Ulta’s post was trying to do damage control.
Also I see You Tubers filming in Ulta’s all the time?
*fired her
how was she homophobic, i don't get it???? if someone said "gay area" (in carol's tone) i would feel welcomed
Joshua Santos exactly! Shane, Ryland, and Garrett are all gay and they took no offense to it. They made a joke instead
I won’t say which location this is but it is here in Houston and there is a huge gay community which is pretty large! I love this area where the store is located so many restaurants,bars and shops . It’s really nice. Her comment was not homophobic at all she was answering the question honestly.
Megan Vito Shane is Bisexual
Seems like companies like to get their knickers in a twist over non-issues to appeal to faux-woke people.
If someone tells me this is where most gays hang out then I would know that's the fun part of the city
Anyone else confused about how her comment was "homophobic"? Where I live, we have genuine 'gay areas', like areas in the towns and cities were people in the gay community go out clubbing and stuff and it's not homophobic. It's not like they're segregated for being gay, it's just easier having bars that are for gay men or women because it means they can meet other people who are gay much easier. I think Ulta were being way too cruel by making that an issue when it's in no way homophobic
Because Ulta, with a poor understanding of what homophobia actually is, decided that it's more progressive to fire a gay employee for saying the word "gay" than like actually understanding that context is important. I feel like it's up the same alley of when white people chastise a poc for saying brown or black in regards to skintone because we think "colorblindness" is good (it's not bc it erases identities and leads to people coming full circle and thinking that racism isn't real). So, in a similar context, Ulta probably thought they were doing something good because of a "labels are for soup cans" mentality, tried to pull a "we are all human regardless of orientation", and was super blind to the fact that they were firing a gay employee for saying "gay," and thus erasing her identity in favor of the mentality that "gay is a dirty word." :/
@@mallorykarlik9920 fuck ULTA
It can be seen as a homophobic comment to some people. If I over heard someone say, "it's the gay area" in a professional makeup store I'd be kind of offended. It's just not something you should say in a work place.
@@jvuvkvkv6498 okay well he was gay and Shane was bisexual, along with Carol, Garret, and Ryland. Context matters.
Two words...... DAMAGE CONTROL.....
Ulta was full of crap. They were gonna fire her. Give me a break. They will say whatever they can to come out on top. And making Carol look like she was lying was just dirty. And they brought up her schedule? It's ridiculous. This poor woman. Watch..... they will find some bullshit reason to fire her. They're trying to cover their tracks. I'm so proud of the beauty community that they stepped up! I'm glad she reached out to Shane!
Darius should’ve made that shirt and sold it immediately.
My real concern is when is Darius releasing that shirt... I NEED IT!!!
Victoria Ryann me too
Me to I hope he does release that shirt but I want to know why he was fired for but know one knows I think that's a nuther cover up whatever it is lol
Dez Goodpaster from where?
Honestly she wasn’t wrong assuming she was fired it happens all the time, your under review and get fired. It’s just the company covering their ass.
Mushroom Destroyer but you cant just walk out and go all over social media saying you were fired when she technically wasnt yet lol
but she probably was going to be ulta was totally trying to save face when they saw all of these important influencers tweeting about this situation she did over react a little but it helped her out a little bit
Ulta is weird.
Seems kinda cruel to me to intimidate her like that, make her cry and force her to finish her shift. They lack compassion and come off as bullies.
Mushroom Destroyer, I totally agree with you, but I also feel like a part of her was sitting there at work after that phone call and maybe slightly a little disillusioned in meeting Shane Dawson. Decided 'f*** this I don't need this', went home and decided to rant about it on Twitter to Shane Dawson in the hopes that possibly he would take pity on her and give her a job. I don't know, that's just the way I took it. I definitely think that if she hadn't of preemptively freaked out, Ulta definitely would have fired her and then she would have went home and rightfully freaked out and the same thing would have happened over again, except Ulta would look even worse and then have to literally come crawling back to her. So if anything, she just made Ulta look a little bit better then they would have made themselves look.
okay but Garrett calling ulta "ultra" is the cutest thing ever😂😍
IN NO WAY DID SHE MISLEAD HIM!! how did she leave out information that was never clear to her. She said in her live that they kept saying the word termination basically leading her to believe she would be fired at the end of her shift
But why does Garrett call it “ultra” 😂😂😂💀💀💀
Jade Hansen so many people do, it’s so weird!
makes me like him even more lmao
We must protect him at all costs
Personally I just think he's not very familiar with the company LOL, but I think it's cute.
Just a name confusion. My dad does it all the time. Ulta looks like ultra
garrett- “Hello ULTRA”
hollie cathryn I love your profile pic haha!
Amethyst thank you aha
When ULTA fired Darious:
Someone: what's tea?
Darious: Shit, over it.
xDD
Ik this is old but wtf I felt Ulta's tweets were hella unprofessional... like "she's coming to work tomorrow" lolllll whatttt but Carol WAS doing the most
I'd be doing the most too if I was about to be fired from my job after five years of employment. That is crazy that they'd do her dirty like that after she helped make them look so good in Shane's video.
Garrett: “hello ultra”
😂!!
idk why Ulta would even be like we are gonna take 24-48 hours to decide if you're gonna stay or not. Why not just tell me then and there if I need to look for another job? She COULD of waited but as someone with anxiety I'd probably react the same way honestly cause I'd automatically assume the worst.
Jackie Greenberg bc that's what companies do hoping u will just quit. But this publicity bit them in the ass.
T. Jackson it definitely did. I'd hate to be Ulta PR rn. lol
ULTA literally had no shame on saying one thing to this girl and another thing to the internet, why couldn't they talk first to Carol and then say it was a miscommunication from their part, apologize and be done with it? But no, they had to "clean" their name saying bullshit to others
Edit: btw Carol's makeup that day was poppin 👏🏽
I’m sorry but if a company uses termination multiple times and has clearly stated “we don’t want you to represent our company” she was going to be fired.
Point blank, that’s an obvious statement and the only reason she wasn’t fired in that conversation is because legally they needed to figure out how to handle the situation.
And don’t tell me if you thought you were fired or would be shortly you would work a shift which could be 6-10 hours with people who talked down to you.
no you don't and it's nothing good or productive as that day will NOT be productive.
Exactly. Thank you. I don't know why this poster is kissing Ulta's ass. Maybe wants endorsements. Lol
Colorful Boy exactly they obviously said she works tomorrow because the backlash.
I thought she was being "fired" over the gay comment she made not the filming and they said she was an hour late to work.. and that tardiness was already a problem, just because she made a great makeover doesn't make her a perfect employee.
“Um.. Hello, Ultra” 😭
I legit think Ulta was going to fire Carol. But they realized the backlash they received from all of the retweets and decided to cover their behinds. Smh. Still, shame on Ulta.
Romy Hernandez yes, this exactly.
Romy Hernandez I agree
Ulta made it all look like a misunderstanding when I guarantee you, they had the paper work ready to fire her
I think she did the right thing reaching out to Shane. Why wait till you get “officially” fired to try to try and solve this issue, nah handle that shit for me Mama Shane😂😂😂 and the gag is... it worked! Thanks for my nightly tea ☕️☺️
RadderThanYou2 THIS.
Exactly!! She was definitely going to be!! But now we would never know because she handled it and they did damage control
Exactly.. She knew they where gonna fire her.
EXACTLY. Can't believe some people don't understand Carol's situation. That is actually sad.
I want a Mama Shane t-shirt now 😂
Come on now. HR cannot tell an employee the status of their employment is being reviewed by upper management and then tell them to go back to work. A worse person could’ve robbed the store blind between the time they went back on the floor and the time they left for the day or could’ve done any number of things to sabotage the store/company. She could’ve told every customer that walked in that they were firing her and they shouldn’t shop there anymore. She did none of that. What did she do? She panicked. And anyone who says they would react differently has never been dependent on their job for money. If you depend on your job, as in, if you don’t work, you don’t eat, you don’t have a home, etc, you would also panic when the status of your job was in question. As Garrett said, it’s 2018. This stuff(people filming in stores) happens ALL THE TIME. Maybe Ulta should consider training for their employees for this specific situation.
Kirstie I agree I would prob act the same as carol and think I was tired too!
I feel like talking about Carol's schedule is illegal??? Ulta...??
Yeah really hey? Workers privacy rights law was most likely broken
i was in Carols position a long ago with Ulta as well.
i was told that i would have to meet with HR and they would determine whether i got to keep my job or not.
i quit the same day and applied at sephora and ended up getting the job!
sephora was my fav job i’ve ever had, i miss working there but i’ve moved on to bigger things.
hopefully carol does too!
Morgan Riojas Lmao I love that you went straight to sephora. Talk about a power move😂
That's the smartest thing to do as usually speaking to HR is just so that you get fired properly and not by a manager who might mess up the way to do things.
The problem here is not about whether she was actually fired, its the fact that Ulta's HR even considered to terminate her on a comment what wasn't even offensive. They scared Carol into thinking she was going to be fired because they told her a decision would be made if she would be terminated or not. There is no reason she should have been terminated in the first place, that's the truth.... The bigger picture here is that Ulta's HR got all butt hurt over something that's not even offensive, the smaller picture is that she might have gotten fired from the video. If it wasn't for shane's influence and following, then HR would have fired her for sure just because they seemed to have already thought about it enough to contact Carol to tell her she might be terminated. I think Carol walking out and tweeting she was fired was a natural frantic reaction.
I must say shane Dawson and his fans are the wrong people to upset or mess with
Lizzy Jackson true girl
I think seven million people are the wrong people to mess with in general
Even 100,00 people are a lot to mess with think about it...
Pink AK wait what?
I don’t directly work for ulta but I freelance within their stores under a brand. Plus I was also a former employee. Carol had to know the protocol and ignored it. I’ve sat through the same trainings. Only salon or boutique employees can do full face makeovers. Prestige employees can do color matches or small touch ups. The service is 60 dollars, but some will let you get away with buying at least that much in product. She knew they needed permission to film in store. She knew they needed to buy product. She was star struck and ignored the rules and that’s on her. And Shane should have called ahead and asked policies so he didn’t jeopardize the ulta employees positions. Her name or location should not have been mentioned for security. It just seemed like a poorly thought out idea on both ends.
I really just want to say so many rude things but instead I'll leave it at get yourself a fucking puppers
The manager that was there that day approved it. So how is it her fault if the manager said it was okay for them to do. If anyone should have gotten in trouble for that detail, it should've been the manager on duty that day. Carol was correct, she followed the chain of command. Just sayin
@@XxXShevampXxX you are absolutly right! She knew that it could give them free advertisement and would be a cool opportunity, so she asked her manager.
Lmao who cares it’s makeup, and he’s a big RUclipsr, rules get broken and everything is fine who cares
Consistency then, beauty gurus film a lot in Ulta....cough...Jeffree...cough.
What about the fact that she was frequently late to her shift? Couple minutes I understand but 1 hour is a *long* time. And apparently, she's done this several times (she said this herself).
It's been my experience that someone who doesn't care about coming in on time generally has bad work ethics.
Of course I'm only speculating here but to me, it seems like there's more to the story.
Maybe the video thing was just the last straw for Ulta and decided she wasn't worth it after all.
(Not hating on Carol but just listening to her side of the story paints only half the picture)
And honestly, don't mix your work life with personal life, especially social media. Obviously people can, and have, lost their job over stupid stuff they said on social media. RUclipsrs should be more sensitive about it and always always always ask permission to film instead of just assuming everyone's cool with it. Just because they're okay with publicizing their life, not everyone feels the same way. And before you say dumb shit like "but there's security cameras everywhere," security camera footage doesn't (or at least shouldn't) end up on social media for the world to see.
Vicodyn you're being stupid and I feel it's on purpose. HR doesn't deliberate at that point. She was fired they where just getting her sugar honey iced tea together before they do so.
That being said, she knew she was going to be filmed. She accepted it, the male employee accepted it. This is a stupid comment like shane has never turned off the camera while talking to people to NOT film a part that person doesn't want filmed
And that she walked out assuming she was fired :/ that’s shitty to other staff
Sana You want her to work with tears streaming down her face?
I had a manager at a retail job who made me stay in that exact situation it was not fun for anyone involved and I don't blame anyone for walking out in that condition. Especially when you weren't offered to go somewhere private to get it together for as long as needed the way mine and Carol's didn't.
This is pretty true, and this is mostly carol's story, but this entire frickin argument is just an assumption that can't really be answered.
Oh girl, when corporate starts talking about we'll get back to you about the "status of your employment" there's a pretty high chance that your ass is already terminated.
HOWEVER, because she made a stink about it and everyone jumped on Ulta's ass they backpedaled like a mofo to save face.
Long story short, she wasn't fired on paper (yet) but she was definitely fired in theory. Just my two cents.
Of course she was. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't pay attention to the way companies work.
“Hello, Ultra!” Oh my god he’s an angel
She was one HR interview away from being fired.... she was not tech fired but yes she was fired.. other evidence your missing fyi
Joshua Rock they give u 48 hours hoping u will just quit is the truth. I've worked in HR and it's a lot easier if they just quit. So much less paperwork. Especially if it's full timers that will seek unemployment and then the state is up our ass.
T. Jackson Exactly! I know this dirty tactic all to well.
They will find another reason to fire her in a month if she goes back. She said herself she is late all the time. That’s not good work ethic and she will get fired for that and this whole mess but it will be after things cool down. Mark my words. I doubt she will go back because she knows it too. Now other companies will know she is drama and it will be hard for her to get any job which is sad because I prob would have done the same thing. She was freaking out and did what she thought might save her job. It did for now but the ramifications will be major in long run.
Personally I didn’t think Morgan’s makeup looked that good.... so IMO I feel like it’s just a publicity stunt to get herself in a position to start her own RUclips channel with the hopes that it would roll in some decent traffic from Shane’s followers. She definitely jumped the gun. And the whole “ha I loved meeting you, but it got me fired” posts she kept posting was really annoying. It makes it seem less genuine for me.
Money Teal it was meant to look like that because of “big texan” makeover so like beauty pageanty lol
Ummmm honey u tried it 😂
It wasn't meant to look amazing, it was meant to look like really big and extra, which doesn't usually look good, xD. Also, if she wanted to start some sort of channel, or get fame, she probably would've said more, or actually made a video.
Ulta messy I walked in today and said Shane sent me and I got the stink eye 😂
BIG BEAUTY MONY 😂😂😂😂
No you didn’t lol
Skaggy Coat Hanger don was shading ulta lmao
Haha
Monica!!!! It’s Valorie..... from high school!!
Why is filming in a store always such a big deal? Genuine question here...
Heather Johnson I believe it may have to do liability. This case would be a perfect example-an employee doing or saying something that can get the company sued-that’s why HR was involved because of her comment.
Heather Johnson it’s generally a legal thing. Stores don’t want to be caught with their pants down and don’t want a possible incident to be put out on social media to create bad press for them.
Heather Johnson The official reason is because they don’t want potential thieves having the opportunity to scope out an area and see where everything is without them having to walk in, and they also don’t want their competition (Sephora) see what they do in their stores or how it’s run.
Thank you guys for your answers! They all make sense and I understand now. I always wondered why people would get so upset when someone filmed in a store.
Haley BrieAnne That’s hella dumb. Even if people don’t record, thieves can just walk in, look around for a while and walk out. Not recording isn’t going to stop them
Lets be real....they were definitely going to fire her. When u know you're going to be fired of course you're gonna say u got fired. Your not gonna post they pulled me in hr and threw the would termination at me multiple times and told me they will let me know if I have a job...like give me a break...literally the onlyyyyy reason she wasn't fired was bc of her reaching out so I say good job to her for fighting for her life
Yup. The reason they don't say your fired is because HR has to do it as it can be touchy on HOW to fire someone and there is certain paperwork that needs to be done.
Lesson of the day: If you are working and see a RUclipsr filming, HIDE!!!
“HELLO ULTRA” Garrett is so cute and wholesome I love him
the real question is... When's Darius' t-shirt line coming out???
Eww no
immortal9922 how dare you!
Shit. Over it.
immortal9922 shit over it
Ok but I really need to know why they fired Darius though...he was the best part of the video. Where are the pitchforks for Darius? I don't buy that they fired him for some other reason
mikoism someone said on Twitter it was over “theft” but I don’t believe it.
Carol posted on Shane's video that it had something to do with theft. Not sure if her original comment is still up. I saw it a few minutes after she posted it.
Beau Cei You made this about race the moment you wrote, “no shade” “looks like the type” and “not about race”.
why did you have to clarify that it has nothing to do with race, like yea he might or might not have done theft but you can't just jump into conclusions and say he was prob "hooking all his friends up" and how does one look like the type to steal from work just asking
toni. I don't remember whether she said when he got fired. My guess is she got in trouble for telling people Darius was fired for theft. In my experience, personnel issues aren't public and it's possible the managers at that particular Ulta store can get (or got) in trouble for letting that get out among the other employees, if it is true.
I've been apart of company's that have a policy that they can or cannot let the person finish the shift BUT while they have their 24-48 hour period to let you know you if you are fired or not you are permanently suspended until further notice. That means you can no longer work any shift and cannot collect on any vacation or paid time off that you may have accumulated and all keys have to be turned in. I don't know if that's the case here but those are some policies that I'm aware of from different corporates. That may be why she said that after the meeting she just left. It's actually pretty normal for people to do and I'm surprised the manager didn't let her leave in the first place if she was too emotional to work properly anyways. Idk if she misled everyone on purpose or not that's on her character... Ulta however did nothing but damage control after Twitter blew up. They also should never have confirmed that she still worked there. Saying someone is no longer with the company is acceptable as people were trying to contact them continuously interrupting everyday work. Giving someone scheduled out is not appropriate or even legal in some states. The can be sued if someone give information to the wrong person like a parent, spouse or stalker. (If they are not where they say they are going to be and cause a person to be harmed ect.) This goes for all scheduling matters.
Gee it sure is a huge “coincidence “ that the other kid was fired for “unrelated reasons” the next day. They just found some excuse.
Clearly, you've never been in this situation. If they call you in for a "deliberation period", you're already fired. They're just trying to find someone to replace you.
Why is no one talking about the real tea... Morgan’s *terrible* contour!! 😱
Jenna Kitz I was thinking that too tbh lol
Jenna Kitz thank you. how did they let her leave the store looking like that?
When he asked before he did it they told Darius they wanted it to be strong and visible, and he gave them what they asked for 😂
Literally Why you can have strong and visible while still blending
Katelyn Cowger ??? Where did I say I didn’t think it was bad??? I meant that as a joke
I felt bad for Carol when the whole mess went down....Initially, I thought Ulta did her so DIRTY 😫😳
But after looking at the receipts, I think she jumped the gun with the ‘getting fired’ thing 🤦🏽♀️
Lizette Baldeo I wouldn’t want to stay and work after a meeting with HR like that
Julia I agree....I don’t think I would still want to work there 😂
I would go apply to Sephora if I were her
Okay but can you blame her. If you get called into a scary meeting where they threaten to fire you and will neither confirm nor deny whether your job is safe, wouldn’t you assume you were fired? If your job was safe, why keep you waiting? And even if you were willing to wait on a final decision, wouldn’t you be upset that you’ve been threatened to lose your job? I agree she probably shouldn’t have taken to social media immediately but in her situation... I probably would have done the same
Tessa Newman I agree with your comment. True, she didn’t know what the outcome would be and if it wasn’t for Shane Dawson & the other big RUclipsrs, she more than likely would have been fired. But I probably would have taken it to social media AFTER being fired....that way the company would just look REALLY bad.
I wouldn’t even want to work there anymore if I were her, I would be applying to other makeup counters
Lizette Baldeo I know! She was told to wait and they would get back to her & she could have made more money on her shift too
Sorry I'm gonna disagree with you here. I think it's incredibly unprofessional of Ulta to throw around the word termination without doing it. fire the girl or don't but letting her know that they we're thinking about it and this waiting 48 hours to SEE if she's going get fired would make anyone just assume they are about to lose their job. If anything it's worse because it draws out the suspense
the waiting 48 hours is the proffessional way of doing things. It's less of a "if" but more of a "let us get everything ready so we can do it proprely". She knew that.
“You guys love Darius and some of you loved me” damn that’s sad
Alt Le Grande how?
Yasmin Ball they loved him more because he was black sadly
Alt Le Grande what 😂😂 you're ridiculous
they loved him more because he showed more of his personality lmao not because he's black
@@altlegrande483 oh wow he's black this sooooo sad
You go Carol!!!! You did what you had to do. You didn't let them use you and throw you away. This is a Victory for the little guys who have been walked over. You go girl!!!
Ulta? What’s that? I only know *Ultra*
let's be honest here,
she was hoping for shane to save her.
Cresiree DC or help with that coin.
Defo
Well, yeah since he was the cause, he was to fix it. Very nice of him he did respond to her need
Cresiree DC exactly. So dumb, in my opinion...
thats what i got out of it too since when they said she wasnt fired she said she didnt know if she even wanted to work there anymore
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I don’t think she should’ve been fired for the video but I do think as a company I would side eye the way she acted and handled everything in the decision making period.
She was not fired they let her know she had 24/48 hours for them to make a decision and she lashed back out at the company. I wouldn’t have offered her job back at that point.
i don’t know why but carol seems sketchy. idk something about her seems a bit off she made sure to publicize every aspect of this and I understand that she wanted to make it public to increase the chances of her keeping her job but it seems strange that she would continuously make comments about the situation and keep saying “they fired me bc of shane’s video” over and over again. She also stated that she was late several times which leads me to believe that Ulta has been wanting to terminate her position for a long time and the video gave them an even better excuse to do it other than her just being tardy
Honestly i dont know why shed want to stay after that. You spend so much time at work who wants to feel uncomfortable & unwanted? If i were her i wouldve just left & gone elsewhere.
Can you become a damn lawyer please
Ivy TheGreat the tea lawyer
She’d win a lot of cases 😂
Getting a law degree is hard and so not worth her freedom. I hate it
WalnutProphecy getting a law degree is not hard, you’re probably just not putting in the amount of work needed.
Zainab the amount of work needed is what makes a law degree hard.
Personally I think ultra just did damage control. They probably didn’t expect her to get her more than likely future termination to go viral and get so much backlash. Imagine how much business they could’ve lost if they would’ve followed through with firing her. I firmly believe they had every intention on firing her until they were caught by every well known beauty guru and needed to pretend they had no intentions of firing her. That’s just my opinion though. And to my knowledge she wasn’t asked to come back while they were waiting on the status of her employment.
I agree, should of waited until she got fired instead of thinking she got fired beforehand. Then reached out....but i understand if she was acting in fear, if HR says they’ll come to a decision within 48 hours, of course you’re thinking “Fired.” I also feel like Ulta WOULD of fired her had she not of reached out in the first place and only let her stay because of all the backlash they received..idk I’m neutral about this, but at least she did get to keep her job. ALSO, how man my times was Ulta going to say “CAROL IS SCHEDULED TO WORK TOMORROW!” smh. 😑
lmao that Garrett called it "ULTRA" smh
Maybeee because he is a guy that doesnt do makeup
get over it
Lisa Singing it’s not that serious lmao
Lmao, I used to say it like that
garrett mispronouncing beauty companies is everything.
“ultra”
“sumphora”
Okay, so as someone who has worked in retail for huge companies like Ulta, I would have done exactly what Carol did. You have to head these corporations off at the pass because they will fire you for NO reason. These places are like revolving doors.
I don’t think Carol got it twisted- Ulta was playing corporate mind games so often seen in business to keep their employees scared and towing the line. I applaud ALL the RUclipsrs rallying behind her
This all makes sense but before this video I saw another thay didn't cover the miscommunication and what added to it was The way ULTA said "carols still on the schedule and we will see her for her shift tomorrow" made it seem like they were covering their mistake of firing her. I wish they said that they said there was a miscommunication about the firing in those big response tweets
Lilly Newsom Another Ulta employee or just stupid.
I dont think there was misunderstanding. 24-48 hours is typical HR tactic of hoping people quit, so they less paperwork and dont have to pay unemployment.
Carol assumed she was fired and you know what id assume it too. Usually if you're not being fired they will tell you right away.
ULTA thought they were just sweeping out a nobody, but it turned out that "nobody" led to a PR disaster.
Personally I feel given all this Ulta still acted shady.
Carol might have jumped the gun but that move got her her job back. They put the stress on thick. Maybe in the usa its different but you touch less money if you walk out rather than get fired. That whole situation was screaming " YOU ARE DONE"
Why did Shane not buy anything??? That’s kind of fucked up. Walking into a store, using products, filming, taking workers away from paying customers... and not buying a SINGLE thing??? Maybe she wouldn’t have been at risk for losing her job if he bought something..... that seems to really the issue.
I’m sure he paid for the makeover. It’s not Shane’s style to take things for free
but wouldnt he have paid for the makeover?
He paid for the makeover. It’s a store for purchasing services as well as cosmetic.
It's not shanes thing I feel there is something we don't know there. I am sure if she said "hey there is a fee" then he'd pay it....and ULTA has a service for makeovers....
Don’t watch Shane then? Problem solved
You here for the tea? Shit over it
Tatiana Castaneda I died hahahaha
😂😂
Crixtopherx X 😂😂
Kristy Russell 😂😭
😂😂
shane is so special, protect him at all costs.
I am on carols side, ulta would have definitely fired her and if she brought it to Shane/social media later, ulta would have just given a different reason for her termination as damage control to everyone. That being said, this is why I love to come to your channel. You are unbiased and basically a beauty investigator channel who looks at the whole picture and give it to us as information. Thanks for the tea 🍵
Carol could be a popular makeup guru on YT at this point after all the attention.
I think that was her point also
Some at the comment section said that she's a liar and this video's title is misleading and portraying her as a villain..
No i dont think so. I agree with what Ms. Tea said, although she could have wait for the 24-48 hr decision to be made, We all know that she's definitely fired at this point. During that waiting time, she literally cant go to work and not getting paid. That must be stressful and frustrating and even traumatizing to some people.
So yeah, sh I couldve waited longer but it's really humane of her to act like that and reaching out. All is done, but please dont push the victim around. She has to experienced all this shit and not us, and I think trying to get another perspective around it and possibly blaming her for her experience is just not right. ( I just have problems with ppl calling her a liar....She was scared and freaked out, people, come on..)
THANK GOODNESS! Finally someone making sense in this situation. I agree with your video.... she should have told Shane etc that she “ was in DANGER of losing her job” ( the truth) vs that she was fired....which she wasn’t. Now the fact that she keeps tweeting negative things about Ulta after being told repeatedly she is NOT fired is just stupidity IMHO. if she actually WANTS to be fired, she’s heading in the right direction. ARGH!
Sarah Kalnajs Oh good point. She could have said “in danger of being fired” rather than she “was fired.” Didn’t think of that!
The thing is that she was fired they just have to built the case towards you before pulling the plug . I work for them “terminated” for almost a month I found out my statues walked out and never came back , & got terminated for not clocking out for the day. It’s such a shady company
Many retail companys do this. It just means theyre buying time to find a replacement, and once they do, you're officially fired.
♠theNoizyBunny♠ I do think they probably WOULD have fired her after the waiting period, But since they hadn’t YET, she would have gotten the same support from Shane etc had she said what had truly happened and that she was most likely ABOUT to lose her job. That way she looks totally above board in every respect and I’m sure she still would have gotten the support. Do you think she should go back?
Honestly big businesses like this will try to come for u over the tiniest thing. They were probably quite aggressive with her if its anything like what Ive experienced.
I don’t think carol meant to be misleading. It definitely seemed like they were going to fire her. She was freaking out and scared. She was doing anything she could think of.
I live in Houston and Montrose (where this Ulta is located) is known as a prominently gay area. However, as someone who had been a regular shopper at this ulta location, Carol has been rude to my sister and I on a variety of occasions. She is not nice when it comes to answering questions or giving advice about products. With this being said I don't think the company firing her over a video or a casual comment made in said video, is fair. However, as someone who's worked in retail for years, I did not think she was polite or attentive towards her customers and I don't feel as bad about the situation given that every time we have encountered her she has been rude and unhelpful.
oh i can definitely tell that's her deal. i know the type. still not on the side of ULTA but you can see she was doing the most because of shane being a semi celeb.
Brenda Pearson agreed
If i hear *Ulta beauty family* one more time i am going to lose my mind.
The fact that he said “Good morning Ultra”😂