The Neolithic Mystery Beneath An Ordinary English Field | Time Team

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  • Опубликовано: 30 дек 2021
  • The Time Team is invited to a huge circular crop mark near Peterborough, referred to as a causewayed enclosure by archaeologists. Huge ditches mark the area, which date the site at around 6,000 years old. Some believe the ditches to be evidence of farming, others that they are of religious origin. Francis Pryor and Ben Robinson join the team to get to the bottom of the mystery in just three days.
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Комментарии • 388

  • @Agaeki
    @Agaeki Год назад +46

    In a thousand years time, archaeologists will dig up Francis Prior and conclude that he was likely used for religious or ritual purposes.

    • @lindak8664
      @lindak8664 8 месяцев назад +4

      He’d probably love that! 😋

    • @raeperonneau4941
      @raeperonneau4941 5 месяцев назад +1

      😂

    • @BonnieG1C
      @BonnieG1C Месяц назад +3

      If folks in the Neolithic saw so many of us staring at Time Team, we would actually meet their definition of ritual, wouldn't we?

  • @ingerfaber3411
    @ingerfaber3411 Год назад +22

    Many years ago I thought I would like to be an archaeologist and I was allowed to join a museum digging stone age for 1 week. It felt very abstract with arrow heads and so on - and then I found a pottery shard with the half-moon shape of a nail imprinted - and this made it feel so close and relevant - the thought that a person thousands of years ago had made this clay-item and just pressed their nail into it. I am still happy I didn't become an archaeologist, but the time-team series reminds me of the fascination I felt 40 years ago look at that nail mark - thank you guys !

    • @BonnieG1C
      @BonnieG1C Месяц назад +1

      What a lovely memory. Thanks for sharing that.

  • @giuseppe4909
    @giuseppe4909 Год назад +49

    I would really have loved studying archaeology in the field under Phil and Francis.

  • @patraic5241
    @patraic5241 2 года назад +197

    I've always enjoyed this show. I would have LOVED for them to take at least one site and take three weeks or even three months to study it.

    • @larryzigler6812
      @larryzigler6812 2 года назад +2

      no

    • @m.asquino7403
      @m.asquino7403 2 года назад +2

      @@larryzigler6812 who are you?

    • @badbiker666
      @badbiker666 2 года назад +30

      As much as I agree, the problem is that would make for very bad television. Yes, they could do the groundwork, film everything, and edit into a fascinating TV special. But Time Team came out every week and was based on the suggestion by Mick Aston that you could learn almost everything you need to know about a site in only three days. This was based on his vast field experience and he meant that even on sites where he did spend months digging, they didn't learn anything new in the last 80% than they already figured out in the first 20%. I have seen many Time Team episodes where even Mick said he would love to spend more time, but by the end of the three day time limit they had already learned what they wanted to know. I find this format very exciting, especially when they go into a site with one set of expectations and the evidence turns that completely around. But I DO agree that I, for one, would love to see a TV show where they do spend more time on one site. I am almost always filled with more questions at the end of the show!

    • @thatwiseoldbitchchannel
      @thatwiseoldbitchchannel 2 года назад +4

      I agree

    • @larryzigler6812
      @larryzigler6812 2 года назад

      @@thatwiseoldbitchchannel Thanks for your support .

  • @mcburcke
    @mcburcke 2 года назад +71

    Time Team is absolutely epic television that will be watched for decades to come...well done, everyone!

  • @Allannah_Of_Rome
    @Allannah_Of_Rome Год назад +5

    I really love Phil, he's like everyones fave uncle and he's still going strong all these years later!!

  • @maxb4074
    @maxb4074 Год назад +8

    Matt is not just a digger when he works. He is a "finder". Seems to have a very keen eye and usually finds something significant that advances the research of the site.

  • @catherinedavis1690
    @catherinedavis1690 Год назад +17

    When finding circles close together like these five could it be that when a daughter marries they set up a household near the family? Life seems so different and difficult back in Neolithic Era that having many family members would make things much easier. I am not knowledgeable in archeology but I find it fascinating!!! I love these programs they are so very well done.

  • @Jean-yn6ef
    @Jean-yn6ef 2 года назад +21

    💚🏜️ yes, this is an awesome show, I would love a longer exploration of some of the sites, maybe a three episode series.

  • @penguinista
    @penguinista 2 года назад +6

    My friend calls staring into the campfire 'caveman TV channel one'.
    Looking at light on the water is channel two.

    • @hehted
      @hehted Год назад +1

      And drinking cloudy apple juice that's been around a while then lying on your back watching the sky is Imax. And don't forget the little pointy mushrooms instead of popcorn.

  • @kiefergrossest4636
    @kiefergrossest4636 Год назад +3

    I remember when I was younger me and my dad would sit and watch this together every week. We would also watch any of the history documentaries on World War Two. He took us too a place in South Shields where some Viking museum type place where they have done a dig and found loads of things on the plot tou visit I can’t remember the places name I was young but it was amazing

  • @dbbrown1949
    @dbbrown1949 2 года назад +6

    Thank you Time Team,you have helped me get through Covid...so far.

  • @kennethw8384
    @kennethw8384 2 года назад +9

    Baldrick has educated himself; Edmund would be green with envy. I was just watching history vids and all of a sudden realized it was Baldrick expanding my mind and it was then mind blown.

    • @NicolaiParsons
      @NicolaiParsons Год назад

      If you want another wild ride, watch Baldrick tell children's stories in Fat Tulip's Garden.

    • @hehted
      @hehted Год назад +2

      The amazing powers you get by ingesting turnips. Imagine Baldrick as Superhero called Cunning Plan!

  • @mikereilly7629
    @mikereilly7629 2 года назад +36

    My Scottish grandmother used to call the small stone points I found as a kid, they were elf shot, firmly in her belief. Even today,tho I know better now,I still enjoy indulging in that mystery realm

  • @alexwarren565
    @alexwarren565 2 года назад +5

    they should have had Tony on hand for the exhumation of Richard the 3rd, "Oh dear, Richard the 3rd"

    • @Cybrludite
      @Cybrludite Год назад +1

      "Really, Baldrick? A carpark? That was your clever plan?"

  • @jonathaneffemey944
    @jonathaneffemey944 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks so much for posting

  • @joannamallory2823
    @joannamallory2823 2 года назад +11

    I love that they disagree so agreeably about what might be found. 🙂

    • @mattiwarsaw
      @mattiwarsaw Год назад +1

      That's the beauty of English language and culture for you ❤️

  • @rodney1818
    @rodney1818 Год назад +9

    Every single time I see Francis Pryor I don't even have to think about it I know he's going to try and make it a religious site is there any place this guy's gone he hasn't deemed a religious site

    • @philipr1567
      @philipr1567 Год назад +1

      Francis Pryor - the thinking person's drinking game. Take a drink every time he says "ritual", "ceremonial", "worship" or "ancestors".

    • @grahamfisher5436
      @grahamfisher5436 Год назад

      yes 1!
      he deemed that one, a site of significant ritual ceremonial worship activities

  • @dianesmigelski5804
    @dianesmigelski5804 2 года назад +8

    This was a great episode. I do enjoy the bickering between professionals on their opinions! I also wish there was more time for better excavation. But 3 days does give it excitement. Plenty to do in a very short time.

  • @chrisosh9574
    @chrisosh9574 2 года назад +20

    I would be surprised if there was any significant degree of separation between the spiritual and practical sides of existence, in many cultures much of the every day world has been viewed as inseparable from it's spiritual aspects. This constant insistence on every large structure automatically being mainly or solely for ritual is ridiculous when you consider the most effort expended would have been to survive and thrive then thank the gods when you have done what is necessary.

  • @Abominable_Intelligences
    @Abominable_Intelligences 2 года назад +4

    I just live watching people doing what they love on a Weekend

  • @mjc11a
    @mjc11a Год назад +2

    Another enjoyable TT episode but I must have missed something. The title refers to a buried cathedral but I certainly didn't see any signs of that.

  • @wd2862
    @wd2862 2 года назад +10

    The same districts are in the territory of Poland and present-day Germany. They are dated around 6000+ BC.

  • @DJMarcO138
    @DJMarcO138 2 года назад +3

    Phil and his jorts, I love it!

  • @user-po8ke5vh2e
    @user-po8ke5vh2e Год назад +1

    these circles or coils r all around the world...great job guys! baldrick is amazing character)))even here) he is so funny and charming))

  • @ThatGayWolf
    @ThatGayWolf Год назад +12

    What if these neolithic groups were using these monuments as sort of nomadic gathering sites to share in knowledge and resources? I've always been curious about the early interactions of smaller tribes and how knowledge would have been shared as community sizes increased - agriculture, mythology, craftsmanship, hunting, etc.

    • @sirrathersplendid4825
      @sirrathersplendid4825 Год назад +1

      Not just a gathering site, more a market place, perhaps?

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 11 месяцев назад +1

      Somewhere between hunter gatherer and full agriculture?

  • @barbarapatterson4132
    @barbarapatterson4132 2 года назад +26

    Wish they would finish their digs instead of only three days. They leave soooo much hanging. I would like to see the digs completely finished.

    • @amazinggrace5692
      @amazinggrace5692 2 года назад +4

      All the people have regular jobs and coy do this on weekends. Also, there are sites everywhere in thUK and it is enough at times to identify a site that someone else can take. Further.

    • @larryzigler6812
      @larryzigler6812 2 года назад +1

      Please don't ever mention that again !!!!

    • @lorrainearmstrong7587
      @lorrainearmstrong7587 2 года назад +1

      On occasion, they spend more time. It is 2 shows worth, so about a week?

    • @annarboriter
      @annarboriter 2 года назад +1

      I agree although there are so many TT groupies who insist that actors are the same as authorities, preferring contrived drama and the thrill of treasure hunting to the reality of the stooped tedium and the mundane finds that make up the bulk of archaeological digs .

    • @larryzigler6812
      @larryzigler6812 2 года назад +1

      @@annarboriter no

  • @SaltyMinorcan
    @SaltyMinorcan 2 года назад +1

    Love these videos.

  • @Heronjim
    @Heronjim Год назад

    Fascinating, thank you!

  • @benjaminrush4443
    @benjaminrush4443 2 года назад

    Great Stuff. Thanks.

  • @csipawpaw7921
    @csipawpaw7921 2 года назад +4

    I would like to put forth the idea that the outer ring of ditches were dug and the inner ring of ditches filled in to enlarge the enclosure as the community grew and needed more space. It may also indicate it is the oldest of the rings. But there would be a practical limit to how large a Neolithic community and the use of its surrounding land could grow and still support its people. So, the other rings were then later dug a reasonable distance away from each other in order to better distribute and expand the use of the land and natural recourses in the area as the population increased.
    I would also like to suggest that the rings were located not to be seen from the river, but to look down towards the river to oversee the grazing livestock and to spot wild game and possible threats from predators that tend to follow and hunt along the river.

  • @neurorn477
    @neurorn477 Год назад +5

    .I have often wondered as they argue back-and-forth about whether it is ritual or something else, if it is even possible for us with our 21st century brains and everything that’s in them to not overthink what they were doing .we don’t know what they had in terms of language the depth and scope of it and language is so linked to behavior right? One of these days I hope to come across the episode where they actually explain what they all believe about mounds and ditches because sometimes I look at those mounds “and they say there’s usually a burial in the middle of it I’m thinking lots of times they find that person in a fetal position ……is that mound just a pregnant belly ?are they rebuilding the mothers abdomen and placing the person back in it

  • @benholman8860
    @benholman8860 2 года назад +1

    Phil making weed jokes about the tree stump. I love it.

  • @ronalderb9692
    @ronalderb9692 Год назад +2

    I'm still waiting for the "Buried Cathedral" segment of this video.

  • @AnnaAnna-uc2ff
    @AnnaAnna-uc2ff Год назад

    Thank you.

  • @enekervis
    @enekervis Год назад +1

    "No bevy I suppose?" :-)

  • @jessepollard7132
    @jessepollard7132 2 года назад

    really good music choices for the background.

  • @SuperOverlord666
    @SuperOverlord666 2 года назад +2

    “But on this side you can see it...”doesn’t skip a beat 🤣🤣🤣 9:46

    • @SuperOverlord666
      @SuperOverlord666 2 года назад +1

      Just keep tapping that blue time stamp 🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣

  • @bigbasil1908
    @bigbasil1908 Год назад +3

    The thing is with Aurochs, you wouldn't capture an adult and take it to your 'farm', you would capture the young aurochs and take them to the farm and then they would get tamed and somewhat domesticated

  • @mussnasir8587
    @mussnasir8587 Год назад +3

    Imagine given more time on each of these sights🙏😎🇦🇺👍

    • @karenklnck1377
      @karenklnck1377 Год назад

      While we'd enjoy it, they'd lose most of their audience, because most viewers have to be constantly stimulated, or they lose interest. Frankly, I'm amazed they managed an hour's show.

  • @peterjerchel4603
    @peterjerchel4603 Год назад +1

    Listening to them reminds me of a great ‘ 60’s comedy,
    Hard to take them serious 🤣

  • @barbarapatterson4132
    @barbarapatterson4132 2 года назад +6

    As much as I want to watch these programs, there is no way I will have anything to do with Netflix.

    • @NMranchhand
      @NMranchhand 2 года назад

      I give a hearty second! It’s part of the degradation of our culture and morals.

    • @LilA-zl6tf
      @LilA-zl6tf 2 года назад +1

      Well, there is always the RUclips....

    • @egverlander
      @egverlander 2 года назад +1

      I agree. Dropped my subscription two years ago. Degradation is an understatement.

    • @sharimullinax3206
      @sharimullinax3206 2 года назад +3

      I watch on you tube.

    • @lizzy66125
      @lizzy66125 Год назад

      I dont understand the referencing to Netflix? this is YT?🤷‍♀️

  • @moniyakimantizionist
    @moniyakimantizionist 2 года назад

    Very interesting

  • @nikolailucyk
    @nikolailucyk Год назад +1

    Young Matt!

  • @garypeterson4483
    @garypeterson4483 Год назад +3

    it occurs to me that your ditches could be the forerunners of the moats used for protection in later times. Would it be ubsurd to think more primitive people could make their ditches for the same purpose, yet less impressive due to their needs

  • @donaldhoult7713
    @donaldhoult7713 Год назад

    I have enjoyed this dig; thankyou. Am I donating to the fundraiser? Not on your nelly!

  • @jesterninety4442
    @jesterninety4442 2 года назад +1

    16 min in thats pretty cool they found an ancient water filter.

  • @olsim1730
    @olsim1730 Год назад +2

    So..where did "Cathedral" come into it?

  • @johnisaaco8795
    @johnisaaco8795 2 года назад

    Are there any time team episodes that are not already on you tube?

  • @neilhoganwa
    @neilhoganwa Год назад

    Puts a new meaning to super bowl. Sitting around making your food bowls for eating.

  • @bigbasil1908
    @bigbasil1908 Год назад +1

    The half fired pot could be explained away as there being torrential rain at the time they wanted to fire it

  • @Horseyperson12
    @Horseyperson12 2 года назад +5

    Whole lot of fantasizing going on here. I'm a little skeptical. I love the shows but I feel they do lot of imaging with not much proof.

  • @tgbluewolf
    @tgbluewolf Год назад

    Crop marks: exist
    Archaeologists: neolithic structures!
    History channel: A L I E N S

  • @Katiesarabians
    @Katiesarabians Год назад +1

    "Dig through the dirches and burn through the witches..."
    Anyone else get that going through their head?

  • @lynne1461
    @lynne1461 Год назад

    It was their way of saying 'Thank You'

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios 11 месяцев назад

    Understandable that the people of the time were focused on boundaries. With agriculture comes a big time investment onto one place. Leaving that place means all that time and work was wasted. Going around and taking the crops from other people's farms was a very easy way without having to do the farming. So land ownership became a thing. And you would want to protect your land.

  • @moniyakimantizionist
    @moniyakimantizionist 2 года назад

    מעניין

  • @The_Light_Knight
    @The_Light_Knight 6 месяцев назад

    There seems to be an easy compromise. They were pulling in large numbers of animals for sacrifice and ceremony.

  • @jeffaltier5582
    @jeffaltier5582 Год назад

    Sights I can't unsee. Phil in shorts.

  • @peggylindenthaler6169
    @peggylindenthaler6169 10 месяцев назад

    Three days isn't NEARLY enough time for all you need to do. It's ridiculous!

  • @craigtetens3095
    @craigtetens3095 2 года назад +4

    It was the tribal trading place. The burial rings are for offerings back to mother Earth and for marking the location of the site.

  • @Raycheetah
    @Raycheetah 2 года назад +3

    Not a ditch at all, but a ring of pits, which in and of themselves were of a ritual significance. Who better to defend a settlement than one's revered ancestors, and what better way to invoke them than a series of consecrated pits, perhaps each assigned to a different family or group (or to a seasonal orientation of the Sun, for example)? The scholarly tendency to declare for "ritual vs. domestic," each to the exclusion of the other, fails to acknowledge human nature. We have churches and temples, yes, but do we not also keep religious icons and mementoes of our departed loved ones in our homes? =^[.]^=

  • @willemsma
    @willemsma 24 дня назад

    July 2024
    438k ritual views, religiously following the Time Team faith.

  • @georgebrill6549
    @georgebrill6549 2 года назад +2

    I love this kind of stuff, but. all of these archaeological clips, have one thing in common, when ever they find a building or whatever, it must be a religious or culture center. Thats there goto response, when they don't have a clue.

  • @neilputland9407
    @neilputland9407 Год назад +1

    it is quiet funny how they are opening the ditches and they have water in them. is this why they dug them. so as to have a stable water supply. allbeit from the water table or from rain fall. remember that they surounded the village, so every one had access close to them. as a by product they may have found them to be a good defence

  • @willbruce3
    @willbruce3 Год назад

    Am I the only one who can't find time team on history hit?

  • @christianfreedom-seeker934
    @christianfreedom-seeker934 2 года назад +2

    What? 6,000 years? Are you talking about a Neolithic monument?

  • @Exiledk
    @Exiledk Год назад +1

    Cathedral? That's a stretch for a pile of earth....

  • @bartadams2431
    @bartadams2431 Год назад

    The buried cathedral hidden underneath pe good shows

  • @7812Stefan
    @7812Stefan 2 года назад +3

    Clearly a waste dump where they burned their waste. Not everything you cannot explain have to be a ritual site 😄

  • @TWN-nw4jd
    @TWN-nw4jd Год назад +1

    Why do they only ever have three days? Not sure i've heard an explanation

    • @RareInTheHistory
      @RareInTheHistory 3 месяца назад

      My best guess is that filming slows/disrupts actual dig sites too much, so they get a limited amount of time to film this show and then the team who's actually in charge of the site takes over.

  • @josephhewes3923
    @josephhewes3923 2 года назад +8

    What about them making the ditches to form a trap to catch those large animals? Perhaps they lured them into the circle, and killed them there?

    • @larryzigler6812
      @larryzigler6812 2 года назад

      Thanks Einstein

    • @m.asquino7403
      @m.asquino7403 2 года назад

      @@larryzigler6812 Another stupid comment, what's the problem now?

    • @josephhewes3923
      @josephhewes3923 2 года назад +2

      @@larryzigler6812 You're welcome.

    • @larryzigler6812
      @larryzigler6812 2 года назад

      @@josephhewes3923 Brontosaurs burger is my favorite !!!!

    • @josephhewes3923
      @josephhewes3923 2 года назад

      @@larryzigler6812 It has been my experience in the past, when experts haven't figured it out, I am forced to figure it out myself. You can thank me later when they confirm my hypothesis.

  • @paulagrunwell7050
    @paulagrunwell7050 Год назад

    Still Balbrick!

  • @lauraleecreations3217
    @lauraleecreations3217 2 года назад

    👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️

  • @geofflewis8599
    @geofflewis8599 2 года назад

    ..Fens were also full of food..

  • @cbriangilbert1978
    @cbriangilbert1978 2 года назад

    We are either way newer than thought or way older...

  • @callicordova4066
    @callicordova4066 Месяц назад

    What? No rain?

  • @007vsMagua
    @007vsMagua 2 года назад

    Ditches help drain wetlands making the surrounding land more useful.

  • @sharonmontgomery4408
    @sharonmontgomery4408 Год назад

    Archaeologists go to the same dig sights season after season for years. How can a three day limit be believable and workable. What other research and work goes on behind the scenes? I would be interested in that.

  • @MarkDibley
    @MarkDibley Год назад

    S12 E5 - "A Neolithic Cathedral?", 30 January 2005

  • @davidclifton4394
    @davidclifton4394 Год назад

    why are UK folks so COOL.!

  • @lizzy66125
    @lizzy66125 Год назад

    no mention of hazelnuts🌰🌰

  • @cdwhitlatch
    @cdwhitlatch 2 года назад

    I’d like to see a sample in the thumbnail preview not a add.

  • @wendesmith6240
    @wendesmith6240 Год назад

    I loved this show when it was on telly but oh how we groaned every time the "ritual" bloke was on.

  • @oobeeman
    @oobeeman Год назад

    the ditch lords

  • @Fush1234
    @Fush1234 2 года назад

    If it was any good and popular, you would not have to compare the History channel with Netflix mate

  • @micheleploeser7720
    @micheleploeser7720 2 года назад +3

    LIDAR GUYS LIDAR

  • @sallyreno6296
    @sallyreno6296 Год назад

    "head of the family" ? Isn't the presumption of hierarchy a rather tall assumption?

  • @khumbaaba
    @khumbaaba Год назад

    Maybe these are great catching pens for their herds. Perhaps they run them like they do the sheep in Iceland.

  • @elisabethbennenbroek8382
    @elisabethbennenbroek8382 Год назад

    Why every time just 3 days to see what is in the ground?

  • @andrewmoore7416
    @andrewmoore7416 Год назад

    Also a massive fan, but never understood why they don't get local metal detectorist to go over the sight first,...time team is coming to dig up one of your fields in a few weeks, calling all metal detectors, hit that field before we get there....simples

    • @juliaforsyth8332
      @juliaforsyth8332 Год назад

      Neolithic sites wouldn't produce much if any metal, plus theyr'e only interested in this time period, so it would be a waste of their precious time.

  • @NMranchhand
    @NMranchhand 2 года назад

    I want to see a vid showing how that terrific artist created his drawings.

    • @kuzzbillington6392
      @kuzzbillington6392 2 года назад +1

      As shown in many episodes, he sits somewhere nearby, paper and pencil in hand, and... draws. They educate him on the details of how things looked when unclear, and he fills in the rest.

    • @NMranchhand
      @NMranchhand 2 года назад

      @@kuzzbillington6392 What a great gig!

    • @shelaghmckenna2667
      @shelaghmckenna2667 2 года назад

      Victor Ambrus was very talented, but the people probably didn't look like that at all. He was filling in gaps with familiar ideas.

    • @karenklnck1377
      @karenklnck1377 Год назад

      There is one on You Tube somewhere. Look him up.

  • @annazaman9657
    @annazaman9657 10 месяцев назад

    I think it was a place people came to at certain special days of the year and brought their animals to slaughter, cook and celebrate.

  • @rick5793
    @rick5793 Год назад

    I've never got an answer to my question " why only 3 days"??

    • @lizzy66125
      @lizzy66125 Год назад

      only 3 days ,because they all had day jobs.these were digs done on friday-sunday.

    • @rick5793
      @rick5793 Год назад

      So their not "professional archaeologist"? It would seem to me some of these sights are important and should be done over at least a week, but I'm not an archaeologist but am quite interested in it.

    • @lizzy66125
      @lizzy66125 Год назад +1

      yes they are all professional archeologists and some,like Mick are professors.

  • @marccampbell312
    @marccampbell312 Год назад

    but why only ever 3 days? lol they always run short of time and im sure a 4 or five days option would be brilliant, its a pity Tony and co. has gone

  • @keleidoscope
    @keleidoscope Год назад

    So like, what country is this? I'm ten minutes in and I don't think they have said yet. England?

  • @n0ukf
    @n0ukf Год назад

    Cathedral???? All they found was ditches, no buildings.

  • @balderii7340
    @balderii7340 Год назад +5

    The ditches were dug against water. In Frisia (Netherlands) farms were built on man made hills: “terp”. Just like this site in ancient times, Frisia had many bodies of water, marshes and was always in danger of floods from sea.
    Artefacts were not put at the bottom for any higher reason, than that they were accidentally dropped and lost.

  • @wolfmauler
    @wolfmauler 2 года назад

    Very confusing title there lol...A 6,000 yr old "Cathedral" eh? 🤔

  • @user-po8ke5vh2e
    @user-po8ke5vh2e Год назад

    but yeah - its just a mud flood that coverd alot of places.....alot of them partially is over the ground - but mosty things r under.