The entire dig team and the engineers keeping them as safe as possible should get a medal for the work they did. Carenza was absolutely glowing with excitement as she worked! Talk about dedication!
Try the Maori in New Zealand, nothing like a good boil up with a captured victim from a conflict with the neighbouring tribe. Bacon bones in a boil up is still a favourite, next to KFC & McD. (Pig is very similar to human meat) There was no other meat other than birds until the Europeans arrived. The Moriori where in New Zealand before the Maori but the Maori ate the evidence!!
Brisdad53 .....Marvin Harris makes the debate in his book “Of Cannibals and Kings” that you can trace Aztec extraordinary mass ritual to time of famine and the bits of the people rolled down the temple steps, were eaten, as was mentioned by a couple of Spanish priests, which he himself wrote off as propaganda from the church but now thinks it makes some sense.
The local Archaeologist Dr. Mark Horton has lost all objectivity and is so convinced he's right even when there is very little evidence backing him up. We severely missed the cool mind of Mick Aston on this one.
"The local archaeologist" is actually quite a name in the field, I think he is a professor at Bristol University, or used to be. But Dr. Mark Horton is actually a maritime archaeologist, I wonder how he got involved with this Iron age site. Unless, it was merely a matter of proximity...
Emotional attachment to the outcome should always raise a red flag and for that reason there is a need for peer review. I don't mind too much when "The Time Team" presents content that might be considered a bit overly optimistic as the production is primarily an entertainment venue, but if such content were presented in such a manner in a scientific paper, the referee should have ate their liver. (pun intended).
There was NO sign of any ritual at all. No body was placed with loved goods or anything. It was just bodies. Someone who was likely eaten, you dont eat a loved one(not unless your starving), and you dont just toss their body down a cave with that of cows, dogs, and other humans. Most people bury or cremate and place a loved one in their own grave, not in some mass grave. That's something you do to people or animals you didnt care about. (Take natzi and ww2. Mass graves of those murdered. They weren't treated with love. They were tossed to get out of sight). Also there was a possible murder of a young female whose head was hit hard twice. Was likely the first blow failed to kill, so they did another. Again also tossed down the shaft, and very unlikely cared about. That's the same with the man who had the bone disease. They didn't care what happened to their souls, or if they crossed to the other side. Probably didn't want them too either.(basing this as most societies go based off passing to the other side, and helping loved ones cross over.)
@Brisdad53 I'd be surprised if any ritual involved dumping bodies down a hole. No ritual I've heard of was ever done with such carelessness and disregard for the dignity of the people and creatures involved. Ritual burial is careful and precise.
@@cindymitchell6719 It would be really creepy and terrifying if there were a lone archeologist who new everything. a lizard man. Keep your eyes peeled for a man with almost sickly looking skin, that is loose for his age- wrinkly but not old man wrinkles, skin like meat suit. He wears a brown leather trilby hat, very old but well cared for brown dress shoes. Brown trench coat. Voice like a smoker, very polite speaking. He seems harmless, a very intelligent human. Maybe he is harmless. But he's not a human. His name is Ernest Lisamon haha sorry I just woke up from a nap and I'm still in dream mode
If you haven’t been spelunking, I wouldn’t recommend it. My friends and I did it several times in the same cave system. The entry was much tighter than this one and at one point you exited one opening on your stomach with a 30’ drop beneath to enter the next opening over a 30”” gap. After 200-250 ft it turned into a small cavern with about a 15’ ceiling. The crawl into it was entirely done on your side and stomach with a few very tight squeezes. inside the cavern area were bats which would fly up to your face and then back. The cave went much further back but we saw enough. The other thing is how unbelievably dirty it is. We wore jeans and even after washing there was still clay ground into the jeans. That was my pair of cave exploring jeans because they were effectively ruined. Good stuff. The only thing we found were beer cans but I don’t think they were Iron Age 😃
Mark was so rude and unprofessional ... first making a very personal jab at Andy Currant about his size. Then toward the end, when he was seen jumping into other's archaeology dig spots -- claiming they didn't dig deep enough. Maybe Time Team should have considered throwing Mark down into the cave!
I can look past the rudeness, but not the disregard for any kind of good scientific process. Ignoring the evidence in the ground and placing trenches for the sole purpose of proving a pet narrative is truly unprofessional.
Near the beginning where they’re talking about lots of dogs and bones that aren’t treated very carefully, I was kind of thinking it sounded like a hole that people and animals just stumbled into and couldn’t get out.
Like, the cannibalism even makes sense with that. A person is stuck down there, they're hungry, and there's a dead body not far from them, it's not to big of a jump to start eating it.
I know it's an older comment, but I was looking if someone else thought this. It was my first thought after they showed the graphic with the now blocked bigger original hole.
Dr. Mark Horton is terrible in this episode, he shows what so many ancient apocalypse-followers think archaeologists, historians and scientists in general are like: they don't want to admit when they are wrong. And that is the exact opposite of what the vast majority of scientists are like and what science in general is build upon. So yeah, I always dislike episodes with Mark in them, he is just not a good scientist, compared to for example Mick, who doesn't posit ideas that can't be supported by evidence and changes his hypothesis when new evidence presents itself.
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@@imperialviking2817 Thank you again, you are amazing! It is nice to find people on RUclips that are trying to help others! From what I got from the demonetized channels, they make money on the adds. RUclips doesn't allow adds on their videos anymore for some stupid reason, and they then have to rely on patreons because they don't get payed over RUclips anymore. I believe without a doubt that for a lot of the people it is a lot of work to make these videos. All I can do to show my appreciation is letting the adds run for those that still have them on. I learn a lot over these people, and think RUclips exists because of them, so it is a shame they don't get payed for their work. Being a patreon takes a creditcard, and I can't even get one cause I don't have enough income. Not that I want one, for I think those cards make it very easy to spend money you don't have. But that is another thing. I thank you from the heart for bothering to teach me some! Much love to you! 🤗
As a Goldsmith myself I felt for the team as they cast that dog...I have the same reaction every time I cast because casting, even 2000 years later, still fails often.
At 12:48 the caption for the photograph reads “The Druidic teaching on Celtic afterlife is depicted on the Gunderstrup cauldron showing a god dipping the dead bodies in the cauldron of life and restoring them to the world of the living.“ That is not what Dr. Horton is saying though.
There is a hill over that cave. Covered in trees. WHAT IS UP THERE, UNDER THE TREES? That question has been nagging me during the whole program. What about the top of that hill? Who lived there? Was there a temple or a fort or a roundhouse on the top, over the Cave of Death?
I love the series but what I have noticed on this series is when they bring in academic specialists, so many of them are rather weird. I just shake my head LOL
The original opening was a lot bigger. And it appears to be at a lower level. Some people may have been dumped in, but other animal carcasses may have washed in , which attracted dogs, rats etc. Archeologists always seem to pull out the ritual card when they really don’t know.
That is what I was thinking more or less. A person not allowed to live with the rest, that may have had a mental disease or something.. or maybe just got real hungry, and could not find a dog.
So interesting the age before the Romans took the lands in northern Europe. Would have loved to travel in time and seen the cultures and times back then.
Just because it's a productive landscape doesn't mean it's always a productive landscape. There are always periods of drought or flood or disease that affect how people can collect food.
Nothing better than old abandoned mines and old caves especially one full of old bones. This is great and would be more than fun to be the person discovering that cave full of bones. I’d love it I really would.
I'm inclined to think the local people were just simply into eating people, and chucking in the remains for the sake of convenience. Much like the Alexander "Sawney" Bean clan in Scotland during the 16th century. And the Bean clan isn't a singular isolated incident. The hole in the ground was just simply convenient. The fact that the only thing they were finding is bones suggests that the people and animals were being chucked down there after being stripped. If people were falling in, there would surely be some items left over to be found. And then someone comes along and fills in the hole. It's a pity they didn't check for local legends of cannibalism.
I wonder if any further excavations have been done. That's the only thing I don't like about Time Team. Nothing seems to happen at these sites after their hurried 3 day excavations. Too bad they shut down production. They could probably make a whole new series by going back to previous sites and continuing on.
i went searching and in a Wiki article about that Mark Horton it mentions that further work was done on the cave in 2008 it says this "further work on the site was included in a National Geographic / Channel Five documentary, Julius Caesar and the Druids" Havent found anything else yet but i'm gonna go see if i can find that National Geographic episode.
There was heaps of post-excavation work. I read an article where they cited about £4 million pounds that was pumped into British archaeology by Channel 4. Only four sites, out of the hundreds that they excavated, have gone on unpublished. A lot of the sites were extensively excavated after the show stopped filming. It would be narrow and hugely cynical to think that the show didn’t massively advance British archaeology and do a lot of good.
Its my understanding from an article that after the 3 days, the local university and archeological society take over and continue with digs and research
There are plenty of sites that are further excavated after the TT. If you Google the site you are interested in you can frequently find more information
Ritual cannibalism occurred in many cultures. In some societies, specific parts of a body - like the heart of your father or defeated worthy enemy - might be eaten to gain the attributes of that person. Central American societies like the Incas had no shortage of either food or protein. Bodies were ritually dismembered and distributed, with each recipient getting only a few grams of meat. Papua New Guineans ate the brains as part of funeral rituals, leading to a nasty prion disease called kuru. In Chaco Canyon, attacking warriors showed contempt for the people they conquered by brutally killing and publicly eating some of them. Physical hunger is not the only driver of cannibalism.
Nope! You ain't getting me into a cave like this! What attracts anyone to crawl into these claustrophobic spaces, is beyond me. Even with all the modern lighting, safety gear and prep knowledge of what is underground. To imagine our ancestors doing this with a naked flame on a candle, oil lamp or torch... 😮. It gets my heart racing just watching video of this sort of people who explore old mines. Carenza Lewis is a fearless woman.
I used to think Tony was an antagonistic jerk. Always belittling people's predictions. But after enough episodes, and enough wild archeological fantasies getting dashed off rocks, he's become my hero. This show is a fun case study on the argument-from-ignorance fallacy. What'll it be this episode? The Iron Age of The Gaps? Stone? Maybe bronze? A Pagan blob? Or a Roman square? Then there's Mick, who turns Tony completely on his head by refusing to fantasize until noon on day 3. "What've we got, Mick?" "Well, not sure yet. We got a blob here, and a square there." "EVERYONE KNOWS THAT! What does it mean?! We're trying to make a TV show here!" "Means there's a heck of a lot of potential :)" and Mick just stands there, grinning at him under a bale of wool.
Oh my, watching the descent into that cave is just about enough to give me fits, watching it on my screen. I could never do that. Most of what this lot does, I'd be right in there wide eyed and excited. Not this one.
I like watching people cramped inside caves digging in the mud for some reason. Caves in general... I would never do it personally but interesting to watch the persistence and oddities that humans are able to perform
Years ago well many years ago because I’m 70 my dad broke his leg and it actually broke the length of the bone and when he stepped down the pieces with bow away from each other it was pretty creepy. He survived it needed but it’s possible to break your legs that way when you’re alive.
The gnawed bones possibly happened in the cave. If a significant amount of aroma would go out of this pit, then it's going to attract more than just the occasional cave rat.
This episode is one of those I wish the time team expanded on At 34:04 they were discussing what was going on there.. and I, for one, would think they needed at least 1 another 3 day did-time and there were more questions than answers. I hope the time team will someday sit down an discus this "before a camera" and upload the argument/video here on this channel. I would "let me have it" and watch ads so the team got some income from a "some sort of episode" where they were doing an analysis of what was found and what was not found...
@@Invictus13666 Time Team was born out of Time Signs, which Mark wasn't part of was he? He might have been brought onto TT early, I don't know, but that's a far cry from being called a creator.
@@Invictus13666 So what's your source for this official narrative, then? Because nothing I saw during my (cursory) search said anything about him getting any kind of creator credit, and at the moment all you're doing is "because you say so" too. Edit: IMDB lists Taylor as the creator. The official TT website doesn't even have Mark listed under crew and Tim Taylor is right at the top with CREATOR under his name. Archeology website "the-past" mentions Taylor as the sole creator, with inspiration from Aston. So please, show me something to support your claim because the "official narrative" seems to be pointing in another direction.
It may be as simple as the cave was a disposal pit for dead people and animals, that would otherwise attract predators and insects if left on the surface.
"Mark's gonna dig for straws to clutch at"....Tony is so damn salty....lol🤣🤣🤣
Carenza has always been a solid team member, but she really shines in this episode.
Hats off to her, no way I'd go down that hole.
@@OolongTGuy Me either.
@@OolongTGuy She did it in Cheddar Gorge, too. Not me! /. She has always been my favorite member of the Team, ever since I first saw TT in about 2001.
Is there nothing Victor is not capable of creating with his hands? He has such a gift and adds so much to each program he participates in.
He was a true artist.
Rest In Peace, Victor
@@randomusername5242 Nooooo, Victor is gone? 😭 A true artist.
He was such a versatile artist...really quiet doing his thing in the background and at the end there's always something marvelously beautiful
The entire dig team and the engineers keeping them as safe as possible should get a medal for the work they did. Carenza was absolutely glowing with excitement as she worked! Talk about dedication!
Yes Carenza's an excellent archeologist.
I'd be too claustrophobic for that.
@@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059 I'm not even claustrophobic, and I'd still hate being down there.
"You do not eat people because you are hungry"
The Donner Party would like to have a word with you about that...
So would the rugby team on the chartered flight that crash-landed in the Andes several decades ago.
James Schardt that’s literally one of the main reasons you eat people
??
Try the Maori in New Zealand, nothing like a good boil up with a captured victim from a conflict with the neighbouring tribe. Bacon bones in a boil up is still a favourite, next to KFC & McD. (Pig is very similar to human meat)
There was no other meat other than birds until the Europeans arrived.
The Moriori where in New Zealand before the Maori but the Maori ate the evidence!!
Brisdad53 .....Marvin Harris makes the debate in his book “Of Cannibals and Kings” that you can trace Aztec extraordinary mass ritual to time of famine and the bits of the people rolled down the temple steps, were eaten, as was mentioned by a couple of Spanish priests, which he himself wrote off as propaganda from the church but now thinks it makes some sense.
The local Archaeologist Dr. Mark Horton has lost all objectivity and is so convinced he's right even when there is very little evidence backing him up. We severely missed the cool mind of Mick Aston on this one.
Even Francis appears cool minded compared to this guy
"The local archaeologist" is actually quite a name in the field, I think he is a professor at Bristol University, or used to be. But Dr. Mark Horton is actually a maritime archaeologist, I wonder how he got involved with this Iron age site. Unless, it was merely a matter of proximity...
Emotional attachment to the outcome should always raise a red flag and for that reason there is a need for peer review. I don't mind too much when "The Time Team" presents content that might be considered a bit overly optimistic as the production is primarily an entertainment venue, but if such content were presented in such a manner in a scientific paper, the referee should have ate their liver. (pun intended).
@@plutus2559 Love Francis but this guy can go pound sand.
@@plutus2559 Also Francis admits when he is wrong.
this guy is so determined that it's a ritual he's ignoring the data.
@Brisdad53 so you ignored the other experts totally. No, it's not the only logical conclusion
There was NO sign of any ritual at all. No body was placed with loved goods or anything. It was just bodies. Someone who was likely eaten, you dont eat a loved one(not unless your starving), and you dont just toss their body down a cave with that of cows, dogs, and other humans. Most people bury or cremate and place a loved one in their own grave, not in some mass grave. That's something you do to people or animals you didnt care about. (Take natzi and ww2. Mass graves of those murdered. They weren't treated with love. They were tossed to get out of sight).
Also there was a possible murder of a young female whose head was hit hard twice. Was likely the first blow failed to kill, so they did another. Again also tossed down the shaft, and very unlikely cared about. That's the same with the man who had the bone disease. They didn't care what happened to their souls, or if they crossed to the other side. Probably didn't want them too either.(basing this as most societies go based off passing to the other side, and helping loved ones cross over.)
@Brisdad53 I'd be surprised if any ritual involved dumping bodies down a hole. No ritual I've heard of was ever done with such carelessness and disregard for the dignity of the people and creatures involved. Ritual burial is careful and precise.
@@dirtypure2023 umm pagans have rituals where there are human "sacrifices" dropped down a well.
@@kianaone2610 did you even listen to the celtic expert talking about iron age burials?
“If I can find it...” *pretends to flip through book searching until he hits the extremely large bookmark...😂
I laughed so hard I farted. I'm in the airport.
And the text under the picture said something completely different from what he said!
Yeah they try to mimic the crypto animal searchers....55 min screwing around, 3 min can't figure out what went wrong
"You're an archeologist, you always say that when you don't know!"
That's actually a sort of inside joke for the show that crops up from time to time.
We do not always know. We bring the facts of what we have experienced and taught.
@@cindymitchell6719 It would be really creepy and terrifying if there were a lone archeologist who new everything.
a lizard man. Keep your eyes peeled for a man with almost sickly looking skin, that is loose for his age- wrinkly but not old man wrinkles, skin like meat suit. He wears a brown leather trilby hat, very old but well cared for brown dress shoes. Brown trench coat. Voice like a smoker, very polite speaking.
He seems harmless, a very intelligent human. Maybe he is harmless. But he's not a human.
His name is Ernest Lisamon
haha sorry I just woke up from a nap and I'm still in dream mode
Well to be fair - that is the general joke of archaeology or anthropology- when in doubt its ritual or religious.
@@lissaquon607 Can confirm that it's a joke used by archaeologists around the globe hahaha
Claustrophobic nightmare. Claustrophobic nightmare. Claustrophobic nightmare.
If you haven’t been spelunking, I wouldn’t recommend it. My friends and I did it several times in the same cave system. The entry was much tighter than this one and at one point you exited one opening on your stomach with a 30’ drop beneath to enter the next opening over a 30”” gap. After 200-250 ft it turned into a small cavern with about a 15’ ceiling. The crawl into it was entirely done on your side and stomach with a few very tight squeezes. inside the cavern area were bats which would fly up to your face and then back. The cave went much further back but we saw enough. The other thing is how unbelievably dirty it is. We wore jeans and even after washing there was still clay ground into the jeans. That was my pair of cave exploring jeans because they were effectively ruined. Good stuff. The only thing we found were beer cans but I don’t think they were Iron Age 😃
@@tampanativeson What?
What if you can get in but cant get out ? Yup not my cup. Well I m a 6'4 giant
@@thijsjong Well if you get in and can't get out at least you can look forward to be in some future version of Time Team.
@@ChrisHyde537 My anxiety spikes just reading that. Be safe out there mate 😧
I don’t watch TT every day, but when I do watch, I watch all day.
"But what about this cannibalism?" Tony asks calmly.
“I don’t understand why you’re not more excited about that.”
“I am excited about that!”
Just the thought has Tony salivating
This episode is so different from the rest. I really enjoyed it. Interesting argument of ritual vs dump site
Clearly this scene comes to mind:
- Bring out yer dead! Bring out yer dead!
- Here's one..
- I'm not dead!!!!
- He says he's not dead.
- Yes he is...
Ba dum dum PSSSH 🥁
Yay! Monty Python!
Ahh - good, old Time Team. Never gets boring. Keep the classics coming!
Also, I really love how Tony is not afraid to get his hands dirty and how excited he is for every Dig! Love this show! Thank you
Mark was so rude and unprofessional ... first making a very personal jab at Andy Currant about his size. Then toward the end, when he was seen jumping into other's archaeology dig spots -- claiming they didn't dig deep enough. Maybe Time Team should have considered throwing Mark down into the cave!
I can look past the rudeness, but not the disregard for any kind of good scientific process. Ignoring the evidence in the ground and placing trenches for the sole purpose of proving a pet narrative is truly unprofessional.
He wanted to find an ancient sacrificial pit: get grants, write a book or three, etc...
That's archaeology, and academia in general; there's a high percentage of socially and personally inept oddballs in positions of importance
@@NickMeisher 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I couldn’t do this type of dig. Anxiety set in watching them go down into the cave. Looking forward to watching this episode unfold.
Near the beginning where they’re talking about lots of dogs and bones that aren’t treated very carefully, I was kind of thinking it sounded like a hole that people and animals just stumbled into and couldn’t get out.
So did I!
Like, the cannibalism even makes sense with that. A person is stuck down there, they're hungry, and there's a dead body not far from them, it's not to big of a jump to start eating it.
I know it's an older comment, but I was looking if someone else thought this. It was my first thought after they showed the graphic with the now blocked bigger original hole.
@@Spid3rQu33n Female murder victim? She got whacked in the head twice.
@@Uhtredrag1080 I'm assuming that this was directed to the original poster of the comment.
Tony: “there’s only one thing you can say for certain…”
Phil: “cracks a can of beer open”
Phil: “well… we’re done diggin arnt ye?”
Mark is intense at best and arguably manic. I hope he has stabilized in the years since this was filmed.
Dr. Mark Horton is terrible in this episode, he shows what so many ancient apocalypse-followers think archaeologists, historians and scientists in general are like: they don't want to admit when they are wrong. And that is the exact opposite of what the vast majority of scientists are like and what science in general is build upon. So yeah, I always dislike episodes with Mark in them, he is just not a good scientist, compared to for example Mick, who doesn't posit ideas that can't be supported by evidence and changes his hypothesis when new evidence presents itself.
Is it just me or are there a lot more ads in these than there used to be?
Still love watching time team
I have that going on in a lot of videos now. Feels like I am spending more time watching adds than the video itself, I sometimes even forget what I was watching. It seems to me that RUclips is trying to force us to buy their premium "without adds" thing.
@@JackyHeijmans adblock guys
@@imperialviking2817 Thank you, I do not understand much about that. And I can't afford being a patreon or anything. If I am correct the people making the videos get payed over these adds. At least a lot of the channels I like have been demonetized, and it is their only way to make some money on them. I will just sit it out, and if it is the insane long ones I just go do the dishes or something till the video starts again. It is just kind of sad that RUclips/Google is so much about the money they don't seem to see people anymore. I appreciate your advice, and will look into that. Have a beautiful day!
@@JackyHeijmans Hehe no worries. Adblock is an addon which you can find in the extensions/page of your browser. But yes if you want to help generate admoney then leaving it off is best as far as I understand. Have a great day you too Jane, you are a fantastic person!
@@imperialviking2817 Thank you again, you are amazing! It is nice to find people on RUclips that are trying to help others! From what I got from the demonetized channels, they make money on the adds. RUclips doesn't allow adds on their videos anymore for some stupid reason, and they then have to rely on patreons because they don't get payed over RUclips anymore. I believe without a doubt that for a lot of the people it is a lot of work to make these videos. All I can do to show my appreciation is letting the adds run for those that still have them on. I learn a lot over these people, and think RUclips exists because of them, so it is a shame they don't get payed for their work. Being a patreon takes a creditcard, and I can't even get one cause I don't have enough income. Not that I want one, for I think those cards make it very easy to spend money you don't have. But that is another thing. I thank you from the heart for bothering to teach me some! Much love to you! 🤗
Any argument that begins "The only explanation is..." is always wrong.
Just watching this makes my claustrophobia kick in. Love this show
Jeff Kidwell Same here. Not a billion £ would make me go down in that cave.
Ugh I know. My palms are sweaty. I wouldn’t go down a cramped tunnel for anything
SAME! lol. Also, TCU? FW area? Me too!
Yep, and I never realized how I really felt about "Closed in" until I tried to have an MRI.
I can not handle - confined places.
I'm not claustrophobic but it's uncomfortable watching them squeeze through the narrow area. Feels like the rocks could close anytime!
Great to see Geophys pull out a win in the end, and even better seeing them digging. John's got a pretty convincing trench squat going!
As a Goldsmith myself I felt for the team as they cast that dog...I have the same reaction every time I cast because casting, even 2000 years later, still fails often.
*It wouldnt be the first time a hole was dug that turned out to be an ancient rubbish tip.*
They dug up a massive one in The Lost Viaduct episode.
Yay! Another episode on RUclips. Thanks Time Team!
Poor mark, could see the wildness in his desperation on day 3 lmao. Sticking to his guns with no evidence
@8:18 "My gut feeling is that it's a hole in the ground and people are chucking bits of animals in it." THAT dude lives on Earth!
Mark is the kind of person who doesn't *mean* to be an ass, but not many people prolly want to hang with him after work.
Right; I mean, that comment to the paleontologist (Andy) about him being "too large" to go down into the cave made me cringe (36:04).
@@tgbluewolf I loved Andy's extremely calm tea-sipping in response though, like "I'm just going to sit here and let him yap."
Thank you...I look forward to every single video!! ❤️ ❤️
The processional path, the cannibalism, and Dr Green’s explanation is quite compelling as far as a logical explanation.
I can't ever get enough ,,, glad to see you posted more
Rather you than me, Carenza, nothing would get me down into that cave. Very brave.
I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for posting them. Your teams are great.
Love the Show ant Tony the host, love his enthusiasm!!! Greeting from USA
WOOT! I love this show thanks guys!
An incredible dig, and compelling viewing yet again. Well done Time Team crew.
At 12:48 the caption for the photograph reads “The Druidic teaching on Celtic afterlife is depicted on the Gunderstrup cauldron showing a god dipping the dead bodies in the cauldron of life and restoring them to the world of the living.“ That is not what Dr. Horton is saying though.
There is a hill over that cave. Covered in trees. WHAT IS UP THERE, UNDER THE TREES?
That question has been nagging me during the whole program. What about the top of that hill? Who lived there? Was there a temple or a fort or a roundhouse on the top, over the Cave of Death?
I love the series but what I have noticed on this series is when they bring in academic specialists, so many of them are rather weird. I just shake my head LOL
Why not consider this to be an Iron age Ed Gein's back yard? Couldn't one person have stuffed all these "bits" down the hole? A very creepy cave.
My thoughts exactly... Serial killers surely existed in the Iron age. It's a 2500 year old Crime scene,
The original opening was a lot bigger. And it appears to be at a lower level. Some people may have been dumped in, but other animal carcasses may have washed in , which attracted dogs, rats etc. Archeologists always seem to pull out the ritual card when they really don’t know.
@@georgecoates2079 Well said.
@@georgecoates2079 but i mean the split open human bones are a weird thing in a washed in animal carcass dump
@@georgecoates2079 but then again, you can also dumb a body that youve eaten in a cave without a ritual
You guys found a iron age psychopath cannibals dumping cave.
That is what I was thinking more or less. A person not allowed to live with the rest, that may have had a mental disease or something.. or maybe just got real hungry, and could not find a dog.
The Jeffrey Dahmer Cave. 👺☠️👻🤮
a village of pschos more like it
We all know where the bones came from....
"That rabbit is dynamite!"
I love that look on her face when asked who's going down first! She looks at everyone kinda confused
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Everybody has one.
This has to be the creepiest episode of Time Team I've seen
I like how Mark is stirring things up with his (probably wrong) enthusiasm ;)
Could that skull that had the two big fractures in them have belonged to the woman with Pagett's disease? Fascinating TT. Thank you for posting.
Episode 68 (Season 8, Episode 8): The Bone Caves, Aired: February 25, 2001
This is the Iron-age remedy for the neighbor's dog leaving presents in your front garden.
Victor is so talented.
This reminds me of the Windy Pitts discovery in Yorkshire.
So interesting the age before the Romans took the lands in northern Europe. Would have loved to travel in time and seen the cultures and times back then.
I would visit every era, every culture everywhere !
@@sebastienc6955 Just be prepared to be invited to dinner. ;)
Romans did not take all of Borggren europe tough.
Just because it's a productive landscape doesn't mean it's always a productive landscape. There are always periods of drought or flood or disease that affect how people can collect food.
Nothing better than old abandoned mines and old caves especially one full of old bones. This is great and would be more than fun to be the person discovering that cave full of bones. I’d love it I really would.
I love this guys energy and enthusiasm pretty cool show I can dig it
I'm inclined to think the local people were just simply into eating people, and chucking in the remains for the sake of convenience. Much like the Alexander "Sawney" Bean clan in Scotland during the 16th century. And the Bean clan isn't a singular isolated incident. The hole in the ground was just simply convenient. The fact that the only thing they were finding is bones suggests that the people and animals were being chucked down there after being stripped. If people were falling in, there would surely be some items left over to be found. And then someone comes along and fills in the hole. It's a pity they didn't check for local legends of cannibalism.
I wonder if any further excavations have been done.
That's the only thing I don't like about Time Team. Nothing seems to happen at these sites after their hurried 3 day excavations. Too bad they shut down production. They could probably make a whole new series by going back to previous sites and continuing on.
i went searching and in a Wiki article about that Mark Horton it mentions that further work was done on the cave in 2008 it says this "further work on the site was included in a National Geographic / Channel Five documentary, Julius Caesar and the Druids" Havent found anything else yet but i'm gonna go see if i can find that National Geographic episode.
@Am I It was a TV show with limited funding. Talk about obsessed with politics. Pull your head out of your ass.
There was heaps of post-excavation work. I read an article where they cited about £4 million pounds that was pumped into British archaeology by Channel 4. Only four sites, out of the hundreds that they excavated, have gone on unpublished. A lot of the sites were extensively excavated after the show stopped filming. It would be narrow and hugely cynical to think that the show didn’t massively advance British archaeology and do a lot of good.
Its my understanding from an article that after the 3 days, the local university and archeological society take over and continue with digs and research
There are plenty of sites that are further excavated after the TT. If you Google the site you are interested in you can frequently find more information
Liked, subscribed and put the little bell thing on too. I love all your stuff. GO TIME TEAM!
Carentza.. I ended up really liking and respecting her. Such powerful and clever jet unpretentious women!
Great team, great viewing Time team. Cheers.
😁 yeah Tony's is always running they are hilarious I love them my fellow Brits 🇬🇧👍♥️
Lol Marc reminds of Francis everything is ritual🤣🤣🤣
Something I love about a good cave soothing comforting
Incidentally, "The Bone Cave" is also what I called my bedroom when i was 17.
Nothing ever happened much in the bone cave.
36:33 "you do not eat people because your hungry" uuhhhh im pretty sure thats the only time you would eat people...
The Donner Party: “are we a joke to you?”
Also the passengers on the plane that crashed in the Andes in the 60s
Ritual cannibalism occurred in many cultures. In some societies, specific parts of a body - like the heart of your father or defeated worthy enemy - might be eaten to gain the attributes of that person.
Central American societies like the Incas had no shortage of either food or protein. Bodies were ritually dismembered and distributed, with each recipient getting only a few grams of meat.
Papua New Guineans ate the brains as part of funeral rituals, leading to a nasty prion disease called kuru.
In Chaco Canyon, attacking warriors showed contempt for the people they conquered by brutally killing and publicly eating some of them.
Physical hunger is not the only driver of cannibalism.
Some people ate their enemies to absorb their power or strength.
Google 'prions'
I can easily imagine several scenarios that don’t involve ritual.
Nope! You ain't getting me into a cave like this! What attracts anyone to crawl into these claustrophobic spaces, is beyond me. Even with all the modern lighting, safety gear and prep knowledge of what is underground. To imagine our ancestors doing this with a naked flame on a candle, oil lamp or torch... 😮. It gets my heart racing just watching video of this sort of people who explore old mines. Carenza Lewis is a fearless woman.
I used to think Tony was an antagonistic jerk. Always belittling people's predictions. But after enough episodes, and enough wild archeological fantasies getting dashed off rocks, he's become my hero. This show is a fun case study on the argument-from-ignorance fallacy. What'll it be this episode? The Iron Age of The Gaps? Stone? Maybe bronze? A Pagan blob? Or a Roman square?
Then there's Mick, who turns Tony completely on his head by refusing to fantasize until noon on day 3. "What've we got, Mick?" "Well, not sure yet. We got a blob here, and a square there." "EVERYONE KNOWS THAT! What does it mean?! We're trying to make a TV show here!" "Means there's a heck of a lot of potential :)" and Mick just stands there, grinning at him under a bale of wool.
I got so nervous about the casting. I'm so glad it worked
Thanks for another episode. Can you please uploads the two Turkdean episodes. They were incredible and would love to see in HD. Thanks
I know it's kind of the premise of the show... but does anyone else feel like 3 weeks would make for a better episode, or is it just me?
From the Sky there looks to have been a Rectangular type shape in a Field .. I was looking for them to put in a Test pit.
Oh my, watching the descent into that cave is just about enough to give me fits, watching it on my screen. I could never do that. Most of what this lot does, I'd be right in there wide eyed and excited. Not this one.
"A ritual trackway". Tony is obsessed.
What an exciting job.
Thank you
I like watching people cramped inside caves digging in the mud for some reason. Caves in general... I would never do it personally but interesting to watch the persistence and oddities that humans are able to perform
Years ago well many years ago because I’m 70 my dad broke his leg and it actually broke the length of the bone and when he stepped down the pieces with bow away from each other it was pretty creepy. He survived it needed but it’s possible to break your legs that way when you’re alive.
The gnawed bones possibly happened in the cave. If a significant amount of aroma would go out of this pit, then it's going to attract more than just the occasional cave rat.
Time Team great as ever. Mr.Curly is getting carried away quite easily though :-)
There's not much I wouldn't do but that cave would be a step to far
This episode is one of those I wish the time team expanded on At 34:04 they were discussing what was going on there.. and I, for one, would think they needed at least 1 another 3 day did-time and there were more questions than answers.
I hope the time team will someday sit down an discus this "before a camera" and upload the argument/video here on this channel. I would "let me have it" and watch ads so the team got some income from a "some sort of episode" where they were doing an analysis of what was found and what was not found...
This episode gave me a ton of anxiety watching them go in that cave.
Excellent.
Lost wax technique was widely used in the Indus Valley Civilisation.
The Bone Cave. There are so many jokes to be made!
your mom lol
They need 3 more days revisit the cave after the clean out more of the rock slide
Well that looked like a sporting little passageway to get in there.
A little squeaky hole in the earth sure
wonder if there were any farmers in that dell.
Dozens of comments late, but here it is : )
AKA "The Episode Where Tony Dyed His Hair"
Am I the only one annoyed with Mark? Hard to believe he’s considered an archeologist
All professions have their less than professional members
He was one of the creators of time team....
@@Invictus13666 Time Team was born out of Time Signs, which Mark wasn't part of was he? He might have been brought onto TT early, I don't know, but that's a far cry from being called a creator.
@@cr1197 okay. Guess the official narrative around the beginnings of TT is all wrong -because you say so.
But born out of lol...
@@Invictus13666 So what's your source for this official narrative, then? Because nothing I saw during my (cursory) search said anything about him getting any kind of creator credit, and at the moment all you're doing is "because you say so" too.
Edit: IMDB lists Taylor as the creator. The official TT website doesn't even have Mark listed under crew and Tim Taylor is right at the top with CREATOR under his name. Archeology website "the-past" mentions Taylor as the sole creator, with inspiration from Aston. So please, show me something to support your claim because the "official narrative" seems to be pointing in another direction.
So sad how so many could die this way. It shows that humans are the only species that kill for no real reason.
I love caves, but I'm too old and wide for tight squeezes. If you like cave drama, read the book about Floyd Collins in Kentucky!
Chucking bodies down a cave saves digging graves!
It may be as simple as the cave was a disposal pit for dead people and animals, that would otherwise attract predators and insects if left on the surface.
Love the end. “Here u can have that”...”cheers mate” :| *sips from can
Thank you.
No, you'd never get me down there. I'm claustrophobic. Additionally, I'd be very concerned about a potential collapse or cave in.
You would not find me down that hole!!!!!! Those people are so brave or trusting!!!!!!!!!!!!