Alright ima do some time stamps(and i will edit the heck out of it if i get it wrong on something, pls tell me if i do) Act 01* 2:55 413 3:15 "Skip To The Trolls" 3:39 Typing Quirks 4:08 Andrew Hussie 4:46 Nic Cage 5:54 Tumblr 6:46 Voxus 6:59 MSPA 7:20 MeGaLoVania 7:48 > Commands 8:24 612 8:38 Vriska 9:42 WP Games 10:03 SBAHJ Actually fuck it, ima complete this lol Act 02* 10:54 Toby "Radiation" Fox 11:21 Books 11:54 Flash 12:35 Octopimp 13:26 Homestuck Beta 13:45 Newgrounds Crash 14:29 Music Team 14:58 Paradox Space 15:18 10/25 15:41 The Bucket Video 16:20 The Baby Is You Act3* 16:48 Sharpie Bath 17:27 MSPA Forums 18:09 The Panty Raid 18:54 You Can't Fight The Homestuck 19:29 Formspring 19:55 Problem Sleuth 20:21 Epilogues 21:06 Undertale 21:41 Toblerone 22:22 Gigapause 22:54 Mambostuck 23:10 Grey Body Paint Intermission* 23:52 Hs^2 24:36 Hiveswap 25:24 AraKneea 25:43 March Eridan 26:04 Kickstarter 27:24 Real Life Cal 27:35 MSPFA 27:53 Snapchat 28:22 Betty Crocker 29:01 Hs Soundtest 29:42 Caucasian Act 04* 30:58 Dante Basco 31:50 SBAHJ Origins 32:21 Tavros Doll 32:53 Retcon 33:40 Scrapped Beta Kid Designs 33:58 Extended Zodiac 34:38 Canon Trollsonas 35:23 The Blog Of Dave Strider Act 05 Act 01* 35:49 Bill Bolin 36:20 The Baby Is 2 37:11 Sarah Z 38:11 Cancelled MC Walkaround 38:35 Slurs 39:15 The Odd Gentleman 39:51 Bro is Abusive 40:42 Cascade Beta 41:05 Weird Shipping 42:43 WP Discourse Act 05 Act 02* 43:36 Viz Ruined Homestuck.com 44:16 Low Quality Flashes 44:37 TUHSC 45:12 Namco High 45:38 KGTAC 46:00 Discord Raids 46:37 Heinoustuck 47:03 Skyrim Troll Aphabet Act 06 Act 01* 47:26 Cool and New Webcomic 48:00 George Buzinkai 48:27 Sugoi Quest for Kokoro 49:01 "Hussie Hated Feferi's Typing Quirk" 49:41 Ikea Cosplayers 50:01 Big Mouth Edits 50:15 Joey And Elwurd 50:43 Hussie Is 0 Conspiracy Act 06 Act 06 Act 01* 51:18 Penumbra Phantasm 51:43 Run To You 52:12 John Karkat 52:40 Chad Buskin 53:01 Snoop Dogg Fanart 53:23 Kanayaphobia 53:41 Catholic Vriska 54:15 Boobstuck Incident 54:38 Gio 55:07 "Tavros Was A Chaser" Act 07* 55:34 Homestuck Reddit 55:53 Homestuck 2.0 56:16 Skaianet Lore 57:04 Hussie's Mails To The HS Discord 57:59 Mayonaka 58:24 "Hussie Almost Got Into Crypto" 58:57 Troubled Cosmos 59:18 "That Deranged Phoebe Person" 59:50 Beekeeper 1:00:09 Brazilian Jake 1:00:24 Hussie's Instagram 1:00:38 BNHA Signless Dub 1:00:57 Fantroll Black Market 1:01:46 Lost Media 1:02:11 Time Travaler Gamzee Cosplayer 1:02:34 Wizard Malware Epilogues* 1:02:58 Homestuck Refences In Adventure Time 1:03:24 Piss Aspect 1:03:53 Hiveswap 3D Build 1:04:12 Jake Harley Controlled Hitler Anyways that's it, sorry i didn't finish it at first
I like how when you go to the homestuck website the button simply says “Read Homestuck”, sitting in the middle of the page and staring you right in the face. As if you’re about to make a major life decision. Your final chance to not read Homestuck.
Am I the only one who found it really strange that the comic asks us to take all of that abuse seriously, while at the same time not acknowledging any number of other equally messed up things in the story, which nonetheless are played for laughs because they are so absurd? I will never be able to see all of what Dave went through as anything but a joke and everything after retcon but before epilogues as generally incongruent. A large part of the reason is that no one in real life could ever be subjected to ninja puppet shadow fights involving swords and whatnot, because it is so outrageous. To do so would, to me, cheapen ACTUAL, real abuse that people go through in our world
@@sofielundsskolan I don't know. There's something about a fucked up situation, played for laughs, only to later be shown to really negatively affect the victim that could help people recognize abuse that happens to them and people around them. I may be wrong because I never been in a seriously abusive situation (to my knowledge), but I dealt with depression and shitty situations, and when in the midst of it, I always felt things were kinda... normal, only recognizing a lot of it as tragic after the fact.
@@saylemevelyn I get that! when I caught up it was right before cascade. would you be interested in seeing a video about the culture of the time when it was still releasing?
About Heinoustuck, I'm actually in the official Heinoustuck server with the og creator! They're still updating but they're also doing a massive overhaul of most things, including the troll designs.
Yeah I always go “omg hs pfp” whenever I see one, even at AnimeExpo in the artists alley there was a Roxy print and I freaked out and told my friend “LOOK THERES A HOMESTUCK RIGHT THERE.”
i never heard of it untill now im 10 mins in and its pretty boringso far but i live a extrema lifestyle online so its going to be very very rare to shock me maybe my opinions will change later in the video
Outsider here and the only thing I know about going into this is the trolls. So watching this is batshit crazy but in a way that I can’t look away cause it just keeps going
one rumor that lives in my head rent free is that when contacted about when the next homestuck book is coming out, a viz media representative said that the series is done and that there are "six books for six acts"
There was also the point in Hiveswap act 1 where Joey runs into her dad's (Jake Harley) collection and also gets flustered. Indicating that Joey might have similar taste as her dad. So when they introduced a cerulean-blooded troll called Elwurd there were expectations (which didn't disappoint)
I've honestly wanted to ask this question for while: What is actually wrong with Hussie? Guy spends years of his live writing a comic and building up his fame only to disregard it by selling it to Viz media and then give a bunch of hacks complete authority to write whatever the hell they want about his story. Now whenever he adds anything to Homestuck it's always to piss off the fans and make them hate the story even more. Compare him to Toby for example: Guy spends years making a game, it gets insanely popular and gets a bunch of money and fame from it, his community loves him. Then he stops making games for years and comes back with another game for which he's getting even more praise for and will eventually make more money from it. Toby "Radiation" Fox has an arguably better career and success than Hussie nowadays.
Hussie seems to have more contempt for their fans seeing what they inputted in the epilogues/homestuck 2. A lot of stuff seems to be mean spirited towars the fans, making fun of them for caring about homestuck. Otherwise theyre known to be kind of an ass to whatpumpkin employees. Sarahz made an excellent video on it
On the Vriska argument: She's a horrible person, she may have helped a lot, but she is fucking terrible. She is basically the very definition of anti-hero, and in her own words, "You don't have to be a good person to be a hero."
No one seems to have mentioned this but the beekeeper troll was scrapped partly because the artist drew some inappropriate art to reveal the troll's sign. The artist claimed Andrew gave her permission to do it, but it seems to be due to a misunderstanding. The team quickly backpedaled and the artist was kicked out.
It was chaos. I wasn't reading live for like cascade but for a lot of the part 6 and onwards. What really made it was the fan reaction or really fast cosplay.
So Snoop Dogg is, in fact aware of Homestuck, due to someone drawing fanart of both Nepeta and Meulin wearing matching weed bikinis on either side of Snoop Dogg in 2015.
actually glad that all of these topics were handled with care! i dont often comment on videos but this was a good watch B) ( also looking forward to the mentioned followup )
most of them were handled with care. but there are a few things i think I'll have to address next time. but I'm always trying my best! either way, I appreciate the support. 💖
I'm both impressed and shocked that "The Baby is 2" has breached so far out of the canmt bubble that it's now Homestuck iceberg material. and it's not the very bottom. what kind of nightmare world am I living in
j k rowling photos slowly being put on screen while you talked about transphobia was gold, wheird that was have a transphobia icon though. like how did that even happen? how did we end up actually having a patron saint of transphobia?
fun fact; the reason why beekeeper was even replaced because the artist who made her had made public rule34 art of her, or it was leaked idk but that's why beekeeper was scrapped. Whatpumpkin to this day still has ownership of those scrapped characters and don't advise asking the artists for those scrapped characters they may or may not have made source: trust me, i did my homework plus was there when i found the porn
No clue how I didn't see this video sooner. Really liked it aside from a few details that were kinda wrong or needed some more context. One of which is the third canon fan troll that was brought up during the canon trollsonas bit, this one was actually the winner of an art contest that was done for Hiveswap Act 2. The grand prize was getting your fantroll into the game.
I was just trying to procrastinate homework, I was reminded of homestuck, was never apart of the Fandom, but oh my God am I glad I wasn't. The amount of THINGS that have happened in the comics entirety (fan works/interactions and all) is deeply terrifying lmao
i used to "homestuck" a danganronpa server i was in by quietly adding cant fight the homestuck into the music queue in a private channel i was a part of and waiting for hell to break loose
50:15 Alright, fellow OP iceberg helper here! They probably forgot to put "discourse" at the end of this one but it was about a huge unnecessary drama hiveswap fans did bc of these two. When Act2 came out, a lot of ppl actually got uncomfortable with their interactions since Joey was almost 15 and Elwurd 16 in the game, some even started associating liking Elwurd or shipping her with Joey pr0sh1pp1ng(all of this bc some fans see Joey as still a child due to her naivety she has in the game) Unfortunately Elwurd is the only character most ppl are low-key afraid to make fan anything out of her bc of this :( I totally get why you probably didn't know about this while making the video since it mostly happened on Insta and Twitter
OP here (lol): I didn't put "discourse" because there was not enough space. Also because it referred to the the whole age thing and how confusing it was. It looked like Friendsim was that group project where everyone does their part and then put them together even if it doesn't make any sense or resulted hard to interpret for the readers/players
After doing literally one google search, this is my interpretation Mage is the active version of the seer, which is a passive class. Passive classes benefit others, active benefit themselves, so mage would be like... Looking up a RUclips walkthrough? I guess?
Extra for the homestuck referenced in different shows: it was actually referenced on bluey a few times. From what I remember, an episode where the main characters went shopping contained the words “prospit” written on one of the banners put up on the products (hopefully I am describing this correctly,,)
Honestly, it’s fitting that a time-traveler going to the past to cosplay as a character that hasn’t been revealed yet would go as one of the most chaotic characters. ( 1:02:11 )
God, I first read homestuck in 2012-13, it's been ten years. Ten. Long. Years. Was deep into the fandom and witnessed the peak and decline. What a ride.
I totally get that! It's really overwhelming, especially considering how long it is and that you'd probably have to re-read the whole thing to better understand everything. That's actually what I'm doing right now and honestly, I'm not regretting it!😊 Once you start with the first few hundred pages, you just... keep going? So yeah I can highly recommend to start reading it again^^
16:47 Fun fact, I actually heard of that story way back when, but I had no idea what sharpie was, so I always clicked off any videos which mentioned it, because I assumed they were talking about someone taking a bath with pencil sharpeners. Almost happened to this video too.
I don't usually comment but this event lived SO rent free in my head. The What Pumpkin Discourse lived rent free in my head for DAYS after the whole Sarah Z fiasco and longer after Hussie got involved because it felt a little demoralizing as a fan. Like they both represented the facts about what she said either poorly, or suggested that only haters have such thoughts or opinions. Even though there were plenty of fans who were put off by some of the behavior they've seen from WP. Like somehow she's the one that originated these thoughts and fans hadn't been discussing them this whole time. I think broadly though everyone has to decide what they are and aren't willing to put up with. And I'm willing to live with the situation as it is because I believe in this community and the people inside of it.
I mean, I'm a fan. I've been one since September 2009. I don't like her video because it isn't about Homestuck as much as it is about Hussie and businesses that emerged around Homestuck. It gives almost zero merit to the comic where it shines, and just doomposts and focuses primarily on drama. It's, objectively, an exercise of focusing on the negative for a good half of the video or more, and less that of the comic and more about business blunders. Frankly, she doesn't talk about pluses in general very much, but of Homestuck in particular, and for that, I don't think her title on that video is very apt nor is it a very good take overall.
Cool video! Amazing in-depth research, very comprehensive. Immensely disappointed you got a copyright strike on this one. Some additions: 1. MeGaLoVania The song is hotly contested- People will argue about whether it's a Vriska song since it features her signature instrument (guitar) or Aradia since Wake centers around Aradia. 2. Vriska There's a lot more Vriska trivia, her Wiki trivia page is really great. Hm- Someone should make a feature length documentary about her 🤔 3. SBAHJ SBAHJ was loosely based on a webcomic that Hussie intended to mock called "Higher Technology" which is a stereotypical Gamer Comic of that era which originated the :y face. You mention this later on but never the name. 4. Books The books have ended, they are still in print, but the books will not tell the entire story, tragically. 5. Flash For some reason, the official renders of the Homestuck flashes on their main youtube channel are incredibly poor quality in spite of flash supporting high-def renders. It's unknown why this is as fans have uploaded better versions prior to the flash discontinuation. You mention this later but it's still wild to me 6. Paradox Space The final episode of Paradox Space was only released in a hard-copy book that sold out its first day. Vrisky Business is now only viewable if you manage to find scans of it. 7. Formspring You mention Solluxander but not Eridaniel. 8. Caucasian The controversy as I remember it was actually the reverse. Andrew seemed to be *making fun of* people who exclusively considered the characters white and people were angry he was making fun of white people. This was during a time that long-time MSPA Forum-goers were embittered to a perceived "SJW" turn Andrew Hussie was taking. "Peachy" was replaced because it was intended to be the joke before the controversy. 9. Dante Basco Dante voices Rufioh in Voxus's let's read. Pretty cool. 10. Retcon The Retcon Juju item isn't white- It's actually transparent in the .gif. 11. Beta Kid Designs There's actually a pic somewhere of Dave with a block-head. I can't find it but I know it exists 12. Dave's Blog The only canonical place where Dave uses punctuation. Also he says the N word (you mention this i just think its wild) 13. Viz Ruined Homestuck This one is just sad. The ads are flush with the panels, now. Very bad. 14. TUHSC The slur replacement project is compatible with this. It's also a resource to read SBAHJ and other obscure related works. The best thing Hussie ever did was let his work slide into unofficial public domain. 15. Namco High The Homestuck characters were actually paid DLC, interestingly. 16. Hussie Is O This is one of a few "Hussie Is X" conspiracies, the most prominent other one is "Hussie is Chuck Tingle" which Chuck debunks. 17. Snoop Fanart If you know the artist you know. That's all the stuff I could think of. What an amazing video, really great to revisit all this stuff. Thanks for making this.
all of this is very useful info for the update video I intend to make! also a vriska video is certainly on the table. I promised TikTok I would make a leprechaun video next though so look forward to that lol
The pauses jfc. That gigapause was the hardest to wait until I lost interest in the comic. I remember refreshing the page everyday hoping for some snippet on the next act...
I somehow managed to get into homestuck when I was 10 for a bit. Wish I could’ve been born earlier so I could’ve actually been part of the fandom, cringey as it was. Reread and finally finished it like a year ago, and it’s really weird and sad just seeing the shadow of the massive fandom it once had. If only they hadn’t completely botched hiveswap, epilogues, HS^2, perhaps it would a still be a weird cultural juggernaut.
Not sure it was mentioned as I'm only 1/4 of the way through this video, but Broadway Karkat was a huge fan project at the time, but I feel like gets lost
people don't seem to realize that the retcon powers weren't there to literally fix mistakes hussie thought they made or smthg. homestuck is meta as hell; the author has a self insert, caliborn takes over the story for a while. so while they're calling it a retcon, it's just another goofy time travel mechanic and not some attempt by the author to appease unhappy fans. they're pretty honest about their takes on fan takes. the Caucasian joke didn't start the race discourse, it was commenting on the already way out of control tumblr-brawling over headcanons
I'm sure others have pointed this out, but I was happy to hear "...that comes about at the end of the world" as opposed to the far more common "...that ends the world" in the intro. It doesn't make much of a difference to someone asking what Homestuck is as an outsider, sure, but only because answering "What is Homestuck?" with a blurb about the plot tells them almost nothing actually useful ABOUT what Homestuck is anyways. If you're going to summarize the plot before getting to the good stuff, it should at least be a summary that is accurate, albeit without totally spoiling the plot twist about the end of the world scenario they begin* the story in.
Ok, I had to pause the video to write this comment because hearing it refered to as the "Skyrim Troll Alphabet" has triggered me. HOMESTUCK IS OLDER THAN SKYRIM, the script first appeared in Morrowind, if not BATTLESPIRE
Slurs are okay, It was a product of the time and honestly the gritdiness helps the appeal. These were teenagers/ on the cusp of teenage hood. Going through the most stressful thing anyone could imagine creating and losing a universe. I think it is completely okay for them to say some "horrible" stuff (also Karkat's entire personality is the word. "Fuckass" and I love him)
Alright ima do some time stamps(and i will edit the heck out of it if i get it wrong on something, pls tell me if i do)
Act 01*
2:55 413
3:15 "Skip To The Trolls"
3:39 Typing Quirks
4:08 Andrew Hussie
4:46 Nic Cage
5:54 Tumblr
6:46 Voxus
6:59 MSPA
7:20 MeGaLoVania
7:48 > Commands
8:24 612
8:38 Vriska
9:42 WP Games
10:03 SBAHJ
Actually fuck it, ima complete this lol
Act 02*
10:54 Toby "Radiation" Fox
11:21 Books
11:54 Flash
12:35 Octopimp
13:26 Homestuck Beta
13:45 Newgrounds Crash
14:29 Music Team
14:58 Paradox Space
15:18 10/25
15:41 The Bucket Video
16:20 The Baby Is You
Act3*
16:48 Sharpie Bath
17:27 MSPA Forums
18:09 The Panty Raid
18:54 You Can't Fight The Homestuck
19:29 Formspring
19:55 Problem Sleuth
20:21 Epilogues
21:06 Undertale
21:41 Toblerone
22:22 Gigapause
22:54 Mambostuck
23:10 Grey Body Paint
Intermission*
23:52 Hs^2
24:36 Hiveswap
25:24 AraKneea
25:43 March Eridan
26:04 Kickstarter
27:24 Real Life Cal
27:35 MSPFA
27:53 Snapchat
28:22 Betty Crocker
29:01 Hs Soundtest
29:42 Caucasian
Act 04*
30:58 Dante Basco
31:50 SBAHJ Origins
32:21 Tavros Doll
32:53 Retcon
33:40 Scrapped Beta Kid Designs
33:58 Extended Zodiac
34:38 Canon Trollsonas
35:23 The Blog Of Dave Strider
Act 05 Act 01*
35:49 Bill Bolin
36:20 The Baby Is 2
37:11 Sarah Z
38:11 Cancelled MC Walkaround
38:35 Slurs
39:15 The Odd Gentleman
39:51 Bro is Abusive
40:42 Cascade Beta
41:05 Weird Shipping
42:43 WP Discourse
Act 05 Act 02*
43:36 Viz Ruined Homestuck.com
44:16 Low Quality Flashes
44:37 TUHSC
45:12 Namco High
45:38 KGTAC
46:00 Discord Raids
46:37 Heinoustuck
47:03 Skyrim Troll Aphabet
Act 06 Act 01*
47:26 Cool and New Webcomic
48:00 George Buzinkai
48:27 Sugoi Quest for Kokoro
49:01 "Hussie Hated Feferi's Typing Quirk"
49:41 Ikea Cosplayers
50:01 Big Mouth Edits
50:15 Joey And Elwurd
50:43 Hussie Is 0 Conspiracy
Act 06 Act 06 Act 01*
51:18 Penumbra Phantasm
51:43 Run To You
52:12 John Karkat
52:40 Chad Buskin
53:01 Snoop Dogg Fanart
53:23 Kanayaphobia
53:41 Catholic Vriska
54:15 Boobstuck Incident
54:38 Gio
55:07 "Tavros Was A Chaser"
Act 07*
55:34 Homestuck Reddit
55:53 Homestuck 2.0
56:16 Skaianet Lore
57:04 Hussie's Mails To The HS Discord
57:59 Mayonaka
58:24 "Hussie Almost Got Into Crypto"
58:57 Troubled Cosmos
59:18 "That Deranged Phoebe Person"
59:50 Beekeeper
1:00:09 Brazilian Jake
1:00:24 Hussie's Instagram
1:00:38 BNHA Signless Dub
1:00:57 Fantroll Black Market
1:01:46 Lost Media
1:02:11 Time Travaler Gamzee Cosplayer
1:02:34 Wizard Malware
Epilogues*
1:02:58 Homestuck Refences In Adventure Time
1:03:24 Piss Aspect
1:03:53 Hiveswap 3D Build
1:04:12 Jake Harley Controlled Hitler
Anyways that's it, sorry i didn't finish it at first
i know i already said it on twitter but you are TRULY the best, thank you!
Legendary, m8 👍🏿
Broadway Karkat not being put on the iceberg is insane
like cmon you cant just ignore GFDI Dave like that
Yeah why is there no KARKALICIOUS DEFINITION
That should qualify as a crime
Death penalty worthy
I like how when you go to the homestuck website the button simply says “Read Homestuck”, sitting in the middle of the page and staring you right in the face. As if you’re about to make a major life decision. Your final chance to not read Homestuck.
Homestuck is basically a cult
Yea basically
I hate, yet find hilarious that the iCarly cast really is the best descriptor for troll romance, especially Freddy and Sam.
Also about the Bro is abusive part, it was also implied that Bro made it difficult for Dave to even get food or drinks
yeah its stated pretty early in that if he wanted food he had to hide it in his closet, I noticed that one on my reread and its pretty fucked up
I mean if you read Dave’s route in pesterquest it’s not so much implied as outright stated iirc
Am I the only one who found it really strange that the comic asks us to take all of that abuse seriously, while at the same time not acknowledging any number of other equally messed up things in the story, which nonetheless are played for laughs because they are so absurd? I will never be able to see all of what Dave went through as anything but a joke and everything after retcon but before epilogues as generally incongruent. A large part of the reason is that no one in real life could ever be subjected to ninja puppet shadow fights involving swords and whatnot, because it is so outrageous. To do so would, to me, cheapen ACTUAL, real abuse that people go through in our world
@@sofielundsskolan I don't know. There's something about a fucked up situation, played for laughs, only to later be shown to really negatively affect the victim that could help people recognize abuse that happens to them and people around them.
I may be wrong because I never been in a seriously abusive situation (to my knowledge), but I dealt with depression and shitty situations, and when in the midst of it, I always felt things were kinda... normal, only recognizing a lot of it as tragic after the fact.
Also he would literally ambush him in the middle of the night just for trying to go to the bathroom
the more i learn about homestuck history the more i wish was born a few years earlier so i could have been part of the fandom from the beginning
it's never too late! I started reading it at the end of act 5. there's still a pretty active fan base nowadays too on discord, Twitter, and reddit
@@CalsCalzones i mean ive read it a few times and im part of the fandom. i just wish i couldve been there when it happened
@@saylemevelyn I get that! when I caught up it was right before cascade. would you be interested in seeing a video about the culture of the time when it was still releasing?
@@CalsCalzones oh yeah, that would be a really cool video! i like knowing fandom history, and the homestuck fandom was WILD.
@@saylemevelyn ill put it on the idea board!
Man, I'm realizing that ANY video about Homestuck seems like an iceberg because of how complex and deep it is.
About Heinoustuck, I'm actually in the official Heinoustuck server with the og creator! They're still updating but they're also doing a massive overhaul of most things, including the troll designs.
that's so cool! is the server open to the public? I'd love to come in and chat with the creator for my follow up vid
>:O YES
they're actually still working on heinoustuck after all these years? that's so cool
Ayo??? That's actually fantastic!!
"thou shalt not paralyze a sweet boy by throwing him off a cliff" will be in my brain forever now. thank you
I'm really glad that homestuck content is still around, even tho most people left the Fandom.
Oh you never leave its like just going dormant
Yeah I always go “omg hs pfp” whenever I see one, even at AnimeExpo in the artists alley there was a Roxy print and I freaked out and told my friend “LOOK THERES A HOMESTUCK RIGHT THERE.”
==>_Reawaken.
As someone who could NEVER finish I'm happy it helps me learn
left? nah, we never left. we're here living our calm adult lives until we hear that music again
I really wanna show this to someone who hasn't seen homestuck because to an outsider this probably sounds batshit crazy
especially with the background images lol
it does.
i never heard of it untill now im 10 mins in and its pretty boringso far but i live a extrema lifestyle online so its going to be very very rare to shock me maybe my opinions will change later in the video
Outsider here and the only thing I know about going into this is the trolls. So watching this is batshit crazy but in a way that I can’t look away cause it just keeps going
Outsider here! I watched one of my exs read homestuck on twitch up to page 600 or something like that so I have no idea what I'm in for
This video is so underrated!! It's the quality I'd expect from a video with 500,000 views, not 700
so kind of you to say! I have some ideas for more Homestuck content so stay tuned!
@@CalsCalzones :D
one rumor that lives in my head rent free is that when contacted about when the next homestuck book is coming out, a viz media representative said that the series is done and that there are "six books for six acts"
There was also the point in Hiveswap act 1 where Joey runs into her dad's (Jake Harley) collection and also gets flustered. Indicating that Joey might have similar taste as her dad. So when they introduced a cerulean-blooded troll called Elwurd there were expectations (which didn't disappoint)
Ohhhh that’s why Jake had a crush on aranea (the cerulean thing)
I've honestly wanted to ask this question for while: What is actually wrong with Hussie? Guy spends years of his live writing a comic and building up his fame only to disregard it by selling it to Viz media and then give a bunch of hacks complete authority to write whatever the hell they want about his story. Now whenever he adds anything to Homestuck it's always to piss off the fans and make them hate the story even more.
Compare him to Toby for example:
Guy spends years making a game, it gets insanely popular and gets a bunch of money and fame from it, his community loves him. Then he stops making games for years and comes back with another game for which he's getting even more praise for and will eventually make more money from it.
Toby "Radiation" Fox has an arguably better career and success than Hussie nowadays.
Hussie seems to have more contempt for their fans seeing what they inputted in the epilogues/homestuck 2. A lot of stuff seems to be mean spirited towars the fans, making fun of them for caring about homestuck. Otherwise theyre known to be kind of an ass to whatpumpkin employees. Sarahz made an excellent video on it
Hussie has always and will always fucking hate his fans
What's wrong with him is a really good question, but he Does fucking hate you for liking it
@@gameygeemer4142 Yeah I guessed as much seeing as how the epilogues completely butchered the characters.
toby and hussie are the calliope and caliborn of the homestuck fandom (minus caliborn's misogyny and such)
He is a troll that got power so he uses it to laugh at the ones who got him where he is now
On the Vriska argument: She's a horrible person, she may have helped a lot, but she is fucking terrible. She is basically the very definition of anti-hero, and in her own words, "You don't have to be a good person to be a hero."
No one seems to have mentioned this but the beekeeper troll was scrapped partly because the artist drew some inappropriate art to reveal the troll's sign. The artist claimed Andrew gave her permission to do it, but it seems to be due to a misunderstanding. The team quickly backpedaled and the artist was kicked out.
I do sometimes wish I had gotten into Homestuck during it's height instead of near it's end because of Undertale
it was okay. the forums were neat, tumblr was pretty active. there was a lot of interest and speculation that seemed to evaporate overnight.
It was chaos. I wasn't reading live for like cascade but for a lot of the part 6 and onwards. What really made it was the fan reaction or really fast cosplay.
Holy shit, bro. I've never read Homestuck and yet it keeps showing up in my recommended. Sounds like a wild ride.
it is. buckle in.
Nice to know that in an alternate universe a whole wave of transmen and nonbinary people would be calling themselves Chad.
B33 < I WASS ALMOSST CHAD. I WASS ALMOSST FUCKING CHAD.
the icarly thing is so genius i immediately understood everything lmao
So Snoop Dogg is, in fact aware of Homestuck, due to someone drawing fanart of both Nepeta and Meulin wearing matching weed bikinis on either side of Snoop Dogg in 2015.
yeah, thats exactly the fanart in this video. hes never outright said that he knows where the characters are from though.
Ah, finally,, A great iceberg to play in the background while I draw my original fan-made silly little grey alien
So glad to have helped! This turned out so so well! I feel really nostalgic about some of this haha
honestly me too. might be time for a reread!
actually glad that all of these topics were handled with care! i dont often comment on videos but this was a good watch B) ( also looking forward to the mentioned followup )
most of them were handled with care. but there are a few things i think I'll have to address next time. but I'm always trying my best! either way, I appreciate the support. 💖
I'm both impressed and shocked that "The Baby is 2" has breached so far out of the canmt bubble that it's now Homestuck iceberg material. and it's not the very bottom. what kind of nightmare world am I living in
it's certainly come full circle
Truly Caliborn's masterpiece is complete
23:50 UPDATE: Multiple updates for Homestuck^2: Beyond Canon have released, and James Roach is now in charge of developing the story.
im working on a whole video about this right now! thank you!
@@CalsCalzones Np :3
j k rowling photos slowly being put on screen while you talked about transphobia was gold, wheird that was have a transphobia icon though. like how did that even happen? how did we end up actually having a patron saint of transphobia?
fun fact; the reason why beekeeper was even replaced because the artist who made her had made public rule34 art of her, or it was leaked idk but that's why beekeeper was scrapped. Whatpumpkin to this day still has ownership of those scrapped characters and don't advise asking the artists for those scrapped characters they may or may not have made
source: trust me, i did my homework plus was there when i found the porn
i dont know if you heard, but a heinoustuck remake involving the original creator is being made!
That's exactly what i wanted to see... and its whole hour long video! I love it!!
No clue how I didn't see this video sooner. Really liked it aside from a few details that were kinda wrong or needed some more context.
One of which is the third canon fan troll that was brought up during the canon trollsonas bit, this one was actually the winner of an art contest that was done for Hiveswap Act 2. The grand prize was getting your fantroll into the game.
this is the best Homestuck iceberg on RUclips in my opinion
THERE'S OTHERS!?
hey thanks!
michael guy bowman not being on the iceberg is insane
@@ryuukatamura 100% agree! I will inevitably be talking about him in the follow up to this, whenever I can get around to making it
@@CalsCalzonesYOOOO 🤩
I was just trying to procrastinate homework, I was reminded of homestuck, was never apart of the Fandom, but oh my God am I glad I wasn't. The amount of THINGS that have happened in the comics entirety (fan works/interactions and all) is deeply terrifying lmao
i used to "homestuck" a danganronpa server i was in by quietly adding cant fight the homestuck into the music queue in a private channel i was a part of and waiting for hell to break loose
50:15 Alright, fellow OP iceberg helper here!
They probably forgot to put "discourse" at the end of this one but it was about a huge unnecessary drama hiveswap fans did bc of these two.
When Act2 came out, a lot of ppl actually got uncomfortable with their interactions since Joey was almost 15 and Elwurd 16 in the game, some even started associating liking Elwurd or shipping her with Joey pr0sh1pp1ng(all of this bc some fans see Joey as still a child due to her naivety she has in the game)
Unfortunately Elwurd is the only character most ppl are low-key afraid to make fan anything out of her bc of this :(
I totally get why you probably didn't know about this while making the video since it mostly happened on Insta and Twitter
OP here (lol): I didn't put "discourse" because there was not enough space. Also because it referred to the the whole age thing and how confusing it was. It looked like Friendsim was that group project where everyone does their part and then put them together even if it doesn't make any sense or resulted hard to interpret for the readers/players
But a 1 year age gap is like? Not bad? Someone please tell me if im missing something
@@LostSwiftpaw No no, it's not about the age gap, it is about how confusing were the ages of the trolls with the events in Friendsim.
@@LHuxlux
Ohh yeah that makes sense!
@@LHuxlux omg i totally forgot i had thought that since she was at the “18+” party selling drugs it meant she was an adult (in human terms)
Idarat Catlaz didn't become canonical in Hiveswap from a Toblerone wish, Liquid T. won the Hiveswap comic competition.
thank you for the info! I probably didn't look far enough into idarat, I mainly focused on the other day trolls. appreciate the correction!
@@CalsCalzones No problem!
deepest part of the ice burg: trying to understand the mage class
LOLLL true😭😭😭
After doing literally one google search, this is my interpretation
Mage is the active version of the seer, which is a passive class. Passive classes benefit others, active benefit themselves, so mage would be like... Looking up a RUclips walkthrough? I guess?
@@heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281 its a joke dude
@@sagesager7584 oh..
Whoopsie
@@heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281 its fine lol
Holy shit 1 hour!! thank you for your work! ^^
thank you for all your help!
32:50 he seems like a friendly guy, but I definitely won't go in the same elevator with him. He would do scary things to me and the elevator.
jesus christ the fact i can understand most of the iceberg really takes me back lol, damn the early 2010s were weird.
Extra for the homestuck referenced in different shows: it was actually referenced on bluey a few times. From what I remember, an episode where the main characters went shopping contained the words “prospit” written on one of the banners put up on the products (hopefully I am describing this correctly,,)
yes! i learned about this after posting the video, but it'll be in the follow up!
@@CalsCalzones awesome!!!
WHAT
@@Melonist the more u know,….
Honestly, it’s fitting that a time-traveler going to the past to cosplay as a character that hasn’t been revealed yet would go as one of the most chaotic characters. ( 1:02:11 )
I like how the first half of this is just explaining what Homestuck is and how it works
homestuck the musical was a fixation of mine after i finished homestuck and was sad abt it being over
This will probably never be seen but!! Sugoi Quest for Kokoro is also most likely a parody of Nyan Neko Sugar Girls
I see it!
this fucking rocks, i'd love to see more of this series or just iceberg deep dives. amazing content.
Well, now I'm obsessed with Professor Mayonaka, thanks for the introduction to this fascinating character.
i’ve been waiting on one of these
June egbert was already a popular interpretation before the toblerone was found.
right! sorry if I said otherwise. the finding of the toblerone just helped to make her more widespread.
Guy: woah, how did you get so strong
Me: Every time I didn't understand something I'm homestuck, I did 1 push up
Guy: Jesus
I would like to add that Snoop Dogg actually DOES know about homestuck! He tagged #homestuck in a comment about that fanart a while ago.
I hate that I was born after the fandom had arisen. And just now I've gotten back into it and it's dying-
God, I first read homestuck in 2012-13, it's been ten years. Ten. Long. Years. Was deep into the fandom and witnessed the peak and decline. What a ride.
me too. Honestly? Funnest period of my life. Being a young teenager during peak homestuck was so fun
Yooo this is great dude! Great job!
I fell out of the fandom during the mega giga pause and keep telling myself I'll try reading again but the time sink is just so massive.😅
I totally get that! It's really overwhelming, especially considering how long it is and that you'd probably have to re-read the whole thing to better understand everything. That's actually what I'm doing right now and honestly, I'm not regretting it!😊 Once you start with the first few hundred pages, you just... keep going? So yeah I can highly recommend to start reading it again^^
Rev Scarecrow better be on this iceberg after he had to read the entire thing on stream for charity
f yea! \m/
16:47 Fun fact, I actually heard of that story way back when, but I had no idea what sharpie was, so I always clicked off any videos which mentioned it, because I assumed they were talking about someone taking a bath with pencil sharpeners. Almost happened to this video too.
If Heir of Piss (Peace) exists, then a Heir of Wall (War) exists.
Piss in the Wall
I don't usually comment but this event lived SO rent free in my head.
The What Pumpkin Discourse lived rent free in my head for DAYS after the whole Sarah Z fiasco and longer after Hussie got involved because it felt a little demoralizing as a fan. Like they both represented the facts about what she said either poorly, or suggested that only haters have such thoughts or opinions. Even though there were plenty of fans who were put off by some of the behavior they've seen from WP.
Like somehow she's the one that originated these thoughts and fans hadn't been discussing them this whole time. I think broadly though everyone has to decide what they are and aren't willing to put up with. And I'm willing to live with the situation as it is because I believe in this community and the people inside of it.
I mean, I'm a fan. I've been one since September 2009. I don't like her video because it isn't about Homestuck as much as it is about Hussie and businesses that emerged around Homestuck. It gives almost zero merit to the comic where it shines, and just doomposts and focuses primarily on drama. It's, objectively, an exercise of focusing on the negative for a good half of the video or more, and less that of the comic and more about business blunders.
Frankly, she doesn't talk about pluses in general very much, but of Homestuck in particular, and for that, I don't think her title on that video is very apt nor is it a very good take overall.
DANTE WAS AT A CON I WENT TO EARLIER THIS YEAR!! I should’ve went up to him and went “oh man I loved you in homestuck” but I DIDN’t . FUCK
Cool video! Amazing in-depth research, very comprehensive. Immensely disappointed you got a copyright strike on this one.
Some additions:
1. MeGaLoVania
The song is hotly contested- People will argue about whether it's a Vriska song since it features her signature instrument (guitar) or Aradia since Wake centers around Aradia.
2. Vriska
There's a lot more Vriska trivia, her Wiki trivia page is really great. Hm- Someone should make a feature length documentary about her 🤔
3. SBAHJ
SBAHJ was loosely based on a webcomic that Hussie intended to mock called "Higher Technology" which is a stereotypical Gamer Comic of that era which originated the :y face. You mention this later on but never the name.
4. Books
The books have ended, they are still in print, but the books will not tell the entire story, tragically.
5. Flash
For some reason, the official renders of the Homestuck flashes on their main youtube channel are incredibly poor quality in spite of flash supporting high-def renders. It's unknown why this is as fans have uploaded better versions prior to the flash discontinuation. You mention this later but it's still wild to me
6. Paradox Space
The final episode of Paradox Space was only released in a hard-copy book that sold out its first day. Vrisky Business is now only viewable if you manage to find scans of it.
7. Formspring
You mention Solluxander but not Eridaniel.
8. Caucasian
The controversy as I remember it was actually the reverse. Andrew seemed to be *making fun of* people who exclusively considered the characters white and people were angry he was making fun of white people. This was during a time that long-time MSPA Forum-goers were embittered to a perceived "SJW" turn Andrew Hussie was taking. "Peachy" was replaced because it was intended to be the joke before the controversy.
9. Dante Basco
Dante voices Rufioh in Voxus's let's read. Pretty cool.
10. Retcon
The Retcon Juju item isn't white- It's actually transparent in the .gif.
11. Beta Kid Designs
There's actually a pic somewhere of Dave with a block-head. I can't find it but I know it exists
12. Dave's Blog
The only canonical place where Dave uses punctuation. Also he says the N word (you mention this i just think its wild)
13. Viz Ruined Homestuck
This one is just sad. The ads are flush with the panels, now. Very bad.
14. TUHSC
The slur replacement project is compatible with this. It's also a resource to read SBAHJ and other obscure related works. The best thing Hussie ever did was let his work slide into unofficial public domain.
15. Namco High
The Homestuck characters were actually paid DLC, interestingly.
16. Hussie Is O
This is one of a few "Hussie Is X" conspiracies, the most prominent other one is "Hussie is Chuck Tingle" which Chuck debunks.
17. Snoop Fanart
If you know the artist you know.
That's all the stuff I could think of. What an amazing video, really great to revisit all this stuff. Thanks for making this.
all of this is very useful info for the update video I intend to make! also a vriska video is certainly on the table. I promised TikTok I would make a leprechaun video next though so look forward to that lol
@@CalsCalzones have you seen the vriskumentary
@@FunkMcLovin omg no what
@@CalsCalzones its on youtube. by the same guy who did he roll biology vid
Dante Basco is a friend of Hussie, from whose image he created Rufio. He also played in the Peter Pan series and looked just like Rufio
this video needs more love
Very nice video! That said, i wish the title was homestuck fandom iceberg instead.
fair. a true Homestuck iceberg would singlehandedly stop global warming with how huge it would be
Awesome vid!
You did a fantastic job. I'd totally be up for watching a follow-up video!
good as video cal !! thorough as hell
very cool videooooo. also the track used said to be from "the baby is 2" is actually from the first the baby is you
I'm sure someone has probably said this before, but the John Karkat person came out and said that was a joke, if I remember correctly.
Incomprehensible, I have begun to understand
I just learned about formspring right now from this video
This is the best video ever uploaded
im surprised that Broadway homestuck wasn’t on here
meGaLoVania should be so high in the clouds that you can't even see the iceberg and undertale should be eclipsing the entire scene.
if i recall correctly, in the act 6 intermission 3 walkaround flash, you can find professor mayonaka's amulet
absolutely true! one of two places it appears in canon!
I introduced someone's dad to homestuck and he's doing problem sleuth right now 😢
The pauses jfc. That gigapause was the hardest to wait until I lost interest in the comic. I remember refreshing the page everyday hoping for some snippet on the next act...
Iceburg indeed! So. Much. Content!
I somehow managed to get into homestuck when I was 10 for a bit. Wish I could’ve been born earlier so I could’ve actually been part of the fandom, cringey as it was. Reread and finally finished it like a year ago, and it’s really weird and sad just seeing the shadow of the massive fandom it once had. If only they hadn’t completely botched hiveswap, epilogues, HS^2, perhaps it would a still be a weird cultural juggernaut.
Not sure it was mentioned as I'm only 1/4 of the way through this video, but Broadway Karkat was a huge fan project at the time, but I feel like gets lost
Sugoi Quest For Kokoro is the best and a new episode is indeed happenning!
I've been waiting on a HS iceberg
i feel different,..,. worse.,,.., thank you for taking the time to put this together omg
ive watched this 3 times this is very good
I thought i was like 40 minutes in. No i was 10
people don't seem to realize that the retcon powers weren't there to literally fix mistakes hussie thought they made or smthg. homestuck is meta as hell; the author has a self insert, caliborn takes over the story for a while. so while they're calling it a retcon, it's just another goofy time travel mechanic and not some attempt by the author to appease unhappy fans.
they're pretty honest about their takes on fan takes. the Caucasian joke didn't start the race discourse, it was commenting on the already way out of control tumblr-brawling over headcanons
You deserve more subs ngl :33
you're too kind!!
Valeu Pudin mt foda
jesus christ homestuck iceberg. i’m on my 9th readthrough of homestuck
Damn, Cal was really in the zone with this one!
The way you kind of managed to summarise homestuck at first
no karkalicious????
what the fuck???
no way😭
Oh don't worry. I'll be covering karkalicious in the future
@@CalsCalzones :)
@@CalsCalzonesand also the arrow comands probably are the ==> that appears in lots of pages
@@omeg5473 yes, and those are a reference to the old adventure games like I said!
@@CalsCalzones ikr
30:58 - 31:51 You forgot the best part - he voiced Rufioh for Voxus!
the homestuck 2 thing now hits a lot harder after the whole thing where someone who worked on it said how awful it was
I'm sure others have pointed this out, but I was happy to hear "...that comes about at the end of the world" as opposed to the far more common "...that ends the world" in the intro. It doesn't make much of a difference to someone asking what Homestuck is as an outsider, sure, but only because answering "What is Homestuck?" with a blurb about the plot tells them almost nothing actually useful ABOUT what Homestuck is anyways. If you're going to summarize the plot before getting to the good stuff, it should at least be a summary that is accurate, albeit without totally spoiling the plot twist about the end of the world scenario they begin* the story in.
Ok, I had to pause the video to write this comment because hearing it refered to as the "Skyrim Troll Alphabet" has triggered me. HOMESTUCK IS OLDER THAN SKYRIM, the script first appeared in Morrowind, if not BATTLESPIRE
I didn't know jack shit about homestuck, but now i'm forever changed.
Thank you.
please read it please read it its so good please please PLEASE
homestuck
Yes
Slurs are okay, It was a product of the time and honestly the gritdiness helps the appeal. These were teenagers/ on the cusp of teenage hood. Going through the most stressful thing anyone could imagine creating and losing a universe. I think it is completely okay for them to say some "horrible" stuff (also Karkat's entire personality is the word. "Fuckass" and I love him)