The Homestuck Iceberg EXPLAINED

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  • Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
  • The moment I saw the Homestuck Iceberg, I knew this video would be the next thing on my channel. After countless hours of tireless work, here we are. This was very much a passion project for me, and I'm so happy to be sharing it with you all now.
    I know I gave a special thanks to everyone who helped out at the end, but once again, I'd like to give them all a shoutout. If I gave you anyone's twitter handle in this video, they're worth a follow.
    @LHuxlux
    @miomancer
    @PudinDiPreda
    @p0werzzzzz
    @joojada325
    @gamicAbsinthism
    @wifiboyfriend
    @itsMasonAmadeus
    @Quurlybug
    @ColinMparker
    @xamag_ve
    SONG LIST (IN ORDER OF APPEARANCE)
    Homestuck Anthem- Clark “Plazmataz” Powell- Homestuck Volume 5
    John’s Theme ("sometimes i call andrew hussie 'andy' and so far he hasn't corrected me")-James Roach- Pesterquest
    Hussie Hunt-Malcolm Brown-Homestuck Volume 8
    How Do I Live (Bunny Back In The Box Version)-Michael Guy Bowman, guitar solo by Nick Smalley-Homestuck Volume 5
    MeGaLoVania-Toby "Radiation" Fox, Joren "Tensei" de Bruin- Homestuck Volume 6: Heir Transparent
    Vriska’s Theme-Toby “:Radiation” Fox-Alterniabound
    Tribal Ebonpyre-Erik "Jit" Scheele, Toby "Radiation" Fox-Homestuck Volume 6: Heir Transparent
    Davesprite-Toby “Radiation” Fox-Homestuck Volume 8
    Sburban Jungle-Michael Guy Bowman-Homestuck Volume 4
    Pony Chorale-Michael Guy Bowman-Homestuck Volume 3
    Pumpkin Party in Sea Hitler's Water Apocalypse-Malcolm Brown-Homestuck Volume 9
    Throguh Song-Toby “Radiation” Fox-The Baby is You: An Opera
    Dissention (Remix)-David Ko-Homestuck Volume 3
    We Didn’t Start The Fire (Karaoke Mix)-Billy Joel-Storm Front
    You Can't Fight the Homestuck-Kylee Henke, WalkingandDead
    Descend-Toby “Radiation” Fox-Homestuck Volume 5
    Bonetrousle (Trailer)-Toby “Radiation” Fox-Undertale OST
    Nillili Mambo-Block B-Blockbuster
    English-Toby “Radiation” Fox-The Felt
    Joey Claire, Extraordinaire- James Roach, Toby “Radiation” Fox-Hiveswap Act 1 OST
    Dance of Thorns-Joren "Tensei" de Bruin-Strife!
    Ascend-Joren “Tensei” de Bruin-Homestuck Volume 10
    Hate You-Toby “Radiation” Fox-Homestuck Volume 9
    Let's Read A Webcomic ~ You're Welcome (Andrew's Theme)-Toby “Radiation” Fox-Homestuck Sound Test
    Trickster Mode (Blast Off)-Toby “Radiation” Fox- Homestuck Sound Test
    Spazzmatica Polka-Kevin MacLeod-Polka! Polka! Polka!
    dESPERADO ROCKET CHAIRS,-Toby “Radiation” Fox-Alternia
    Flare-Clark "Plazmataz" Powell-Homestuck Volume 8
    iRRRRRRRRECONCILABLE-Michael Guy Bowman,Thomas Ferkol-Homestuck Volume 9
    Upward Movement (Dave Owns)-Robert Blaker-Homestuck Volume 2
    An Unbreakable Union-Robert Blaker-Homestuck Volume 5
    A Baby Legend: The Baby is 2-Toby “Radiation” Fox(?), cool and new music team-Homestuck Volume 11
    Battle Tower Theme-Toby “Radiation” Fox-Pokemon Sword&Shield OST
    BL1ND JUST1C3: 1NV3ST1G4T1ON !!-Malcolm Brown-Alterniabound
    Liquid Negrocity-Toby “Radiation” Fox-Midnight Crew:Drawing Dead
    Karkat’s Theme-James Roach-Pesterquest
    Cascade (Beta)-Joren “Tensei” de Bruin-Homestuck Volume 8
    iCarly Theme midi-Original by Miranda Cosgrove, Drake Bell
    Elevatorstuck-Joren “Tensei” de Bruin-Homestuck Volume 6:Heir Transparent
    Another Jungle-Michael Guy Bowman-Homestuck Volume 9
    Doctor-George Buzinkai-Homestuck Volume 4
    Penumbra Phantasm (Piano)-Toby “Radiation” Fox
    Run to You-Pentatonix
    Eternity Served Cold-Malcom Brown-Cherubim
    Calamity-Michael Guy Bowman-Homestuck Volume 8
    [S] ACT 6 ACT 6 (Can’t find info on this ANYWHERE)
    Duel of the Fates Midi-Original By John Williams for Star Wars
    WSW/Beatdown-Erik 'Jit' Scheele,Curt Blakeslee-Homestuck Volume 7:At the Price of Oblivion
    The Carnival-Erik 'Jit' Scheele, Mark Hadley-Homestuc Volume 7:At the Price of Oblivion
    Black Rose, Green Sun-Malcolm Brown-Homestuck Volume 7:At the Price of Oblivion
    Oppa Toby Style-Toby “Radiation” Fox-Collide
    Rex English-Toby “Radiation” Fox-Homestuck Sound Test
    Also, here are some helpful links:
    www.homestuck....
    homestuck.net/
    bambosh.github...
    mspaintadventu...
    blog.giovanh.c...
    / remember_lads_hussie_d...
    I like to think that my editing of this video somewhat mirrors Homestuck itself, which is to say that it gets better the longer you stick with it. I only realized when I was watching the final product how differently I edited the beginning compared to the end.
    Find me on Twitter @Cals_Calzones and find my other projects on scavengersnetwork.com or on their RUclips channel!

Комментарии • 382

  • @inactiveaccoutleave
    @inactiveaccoutleave 2 года назад +392

    Alright ima do some time stamps(and i will edit the heck out of it if i get it wrong on something, pls tell me if i do)
    Act 01*
    2:55 413
    3:15 "Skip To The Trolls"
    3:39 Typing Quirks
    4:08 Andrew Hussie
    4:46 Nic Cage
    5:54 Tumblr
    6:46 Voxus
    6:59 MSPA
    7:20 MeGaLoVania
    7:48 > Commands
    8:24 612
    8:38 Vriska
    9:42 WP Games
    10:03 SBAHJ
    Actually fuck it, ima complete this lol
    Act 02*
    10:54 Toby "Radiation" Fox
    11:21 Books
    11:54 Flash
    12:35 Octopimp
    13:26 Homestuck Beta
    13:45 Newgrounds Crash
    14:29 Music Team
    14:58 Paradox Space
    15:18 10/25
    15:41 The Bucket Video
    16:20 The Baby Is You
    Act3*
    16:48 Sharpie Bath
    17:27 MSPA Forums
    18:09 The Panty Raid
    18:54 You Can't Fight The Homestuck
    19:29 Formspring
    19:55 Problem Sleuth
    20:21 Epilogues
    21:06 Undertale
    21:41 Toblerone
    22:22 Gigapause
    22:54 Mambostuck
    23:10 Grey Body Paint
    Intermission*
    23:52 Hs^2
    24:36 Hiveswap
    25:24 AraKneea
    25:43 March Eridan
    26:04 Kickstarter
    27:24 Real Life Cal
    27:35 MSPFA
    27:53 Snapchat
    28:22 Betty Crocker
    29:01 Hs Soundtest
    29:42 Caucasian
    Act 04*
    30:58 Dante Basco
    31:50 SBAHJ Origins
    32:21 Tavros Doll
    32:53 Retcon
    33:40 Scrapped Beta Kid Designs
    33:58 Extended Zodiac
    34:38 Canon Trollsonas
    35:23 The Blog Of Dave Strider
    Act 05 Act 01*
    35:49 Bill Bolin
    36:20 The Baby Is 2
    37:11 Sarah Z
    38:11 Cancelled MC Walkaround
    38:35 Slurs
    39:15 The Odd Gentleman
    39:51 Bro is Abusive
    40:42 Cascade Beta
    41:05 Weird Shipping
    42:43 WP Discourse
    Act 05 Act 02*
    43:36 Viz Ruined Homestuck.com
    44:16 Low Quality Flashes
    44:37 TUHSC
    45:12 Namco High
    45:38 KGTAC
    46:00 Discord Raids
    46:37 Heinoustuck
    47:03 Skyrim Troll Aphabet
    Act 06 Act 01*
    47:26 Cool and New Webcomic
    48:00 George Buzinkai
    48:27 Sugoi Quest for Kokoro
    49:01 "Hussie Hated Feferi's Typing Quirk"
    49:41 Ikea Cosplayers
    50:01 Big Mouth Edits
    50:15 Joey And Elwurd
    50:43 Hussie Is 0 Conspiracy
    Act 06 Act 06 Act 01*
    51:18 Penumbra Phantasm
    51:43 Run To You
    52:12 John Karkat
    52:40 Chad Buskin
    53:01 Snoop Dogg Fanart
    53:23 Kanayaphobia
    53:41 Catholic Vriska
    54:15 Boobstuck Incident
    54:38 Gio
    55:07 "Tavros Was A Chaser"
    Act 07*
    55:34 Homestuck Reddit
    55:53 Homestuck 2.0
    56:16 Skaianet Lore
    57:04 Hussie's Mails To The HS Discord
    57:59 Mayonaka
    58:24 "Hussie Almost Got Into Crypto"
    58:57 Troubled Cosmos
    59:18 "That Deranged Phoebe Person"
    59:50 Beekeeper
    1:00:09 Brazilian Jake
    1:00:24 Hussie's Instagram
    1:00:38 BNHA Signless Dub
    1:00:57 Fantroll Black Market
    1:01:46 Lost Media
    1:02:11 Time Travaler Gamzee Cosplayer
    1:02:34 Wizard Malware
    Epilogues*
    1:02:58 Homestuck Refences In Adventure Time
    1:03:24 Piss Aspect
    1:03:53 Hiveswap 3D Build
    1:04:12 Jake Harley Controlled Hitler
    Anyways that's it, sorry i didn't finish it at first

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +33

      i know i already said it on twitter but you are TRULY the best, thank you!

    • @Babinko-ff7mt
      @Babinko-ff7mt Год назад +1

      Legendary, m8 👍🏿

  • @cassandraperkovic6167
    @cassandraperkovic6167 Год назад +395

    Broadway Karkat not being put on the iceberg is insane

    • @tw0tr1ckp0nyficated
      @tw0tr1ckp0nyficated Год назад +42

      like cmon you cant just ignore GFDI Dave like that

    • @keenanwilliams2304
      @keenanwilliams2304 5 месяцев назад +19

      Yeah why is there no KARKALICIOUS DEFINITION

    • @Reiiven
      @Reiiven 4 месяца назад +1

      That should qualify as a crime

    • @M4__1n
      @M4__1n 4 месяца назад +2

      Death penalty worthy

  • @officersoulknight6321
    @officersoulknight6321 Год назад +186

    I like how when you go to the homestuck website the button simply says “Read Homestuck”, sitting in the middle of the page and staring you right in the face. As if you’re about to make a major life decision. Your final chance to not read Homestuck.

  • @genuinegenie7078
    @genuinegenie7078 2 года назад +253

    I hate, yet find hilarious that the iCarly cast really is the best descriptor for troll romance, especially Freddy and Sam.

  • @user-ow4hv6qx8o
    @user-ow4hv6qx8o 2 года назад +751

    Also about the Bro is abusive part, it was also implied that Bro made it difficult for Dave to even get food or drinks

    • @Breadothy
      @Breadothy 2 года назад +184

      yeah its stated pretty early in that if he wanted food he had to hide it in his closet, I noticed that one on my reread and its pretty fucked up

    • @scritoph3368
      @scritoph3368 2 года назад +84

      I mean if you read Dave’s route in pesterquest it’s not so much implied as outright stated iirc

    • @sofielundsskolan
      @sofielundsskolan Год назад +56

      Am I the only one who found it really strange that the comic asks us to take all of that abuse seriously, while at the same time not acknowledging any number of other equally messed up things in the story, which nonetheless are played for laughs because they are so absurd? I will never be able to see all of what Dave went through as anything but a joke and everything after retcon but before epilogues as generally incongruent. A large part of the reason is that no one in real life could ever be subjected to ninja puppet shadow fights involving swords and whatnot, because it is so outrageous. To do so would, to me, cheapen ACTUAL, real abuse that people go through in our world

    • @psychopompous489
      @psychopompous489 Год назад +68

      @@sofielundsskolan I don't know. There's something about a fucked up situation, played for laughs, only to later be shown to really negatively affect the victim that could help people recognize abuse that happens to them and people around them.
      I may be wrong because I never been in a seriously abusive situation (to my knowledge), but I dealt with depression and shitty situations, and when in the midst of it, I always felt things were kinda... normal, only recognizing a lot of it as tragic after the fact.

    • @Akirex5000
      @Akirex5000 Год назад +40

      Also he would literally ambush him in the middle of the night just for trying to go to the bathroom

  • @saylemevelyn
    @saylemevelyn 2 года назад +481

    the more i learn about homestuck history the more i wish was born a few years earlier so i could have been part of the fandom from the beginning

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +66

      it's never too late! I started reading it at the end of act 5. there's still a pretty active fan base nowadays too on discord, Twitter, and reddit

    • @saylemevelyn
      @saylemevelyn 2 года назад +24

      @@CalsCalzones i mean ive read it a few times and im part of the fandom. i just wish i couldve been there when it happened

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +44

      @@saylemevelyn I get that! when I caught up it was right before cascade. would you be interested in seeing a video about the culture of the time when it was still releasing?

    • @saylemevelyn
      @saylemevelyn 2 года назад +17

      @@CalsCalzones oh yeah, that would be a really cool video! i like knowing fandom history, and the homestuck fandom was WILD.

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +15

      @@saylemevelyn ill put it on the idea board!

  • @elementallobsterx
    @elementallobsterx 2 года назад +128

    Man, I'm realizing that ANY video about Homestuck seems like an iceberg because of how complex and deep it is.

  • @mintdrawsthings47
    @mintdrawsthings47 2 года назад +172

    About Heinoustuck, I'm actually in the official Heinoustuck server with the og creator! They're still updating but they're also doing a massive overhaul of most things, including the troll designs.

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +31

      that's so cool! is the server open to the public? I'd love to come in and chat with the creator for my follow up vid

    • @makeme7261
      @makeme7261 2 года назад +7

      >:O YES

    • @rainbowsylvie16
      @rainbowsylvie16 2 года назад +14

      they're actually still working on heinoustuck after all these years? that's so cool

    • @Babinko-ff7mt
      @Babinko-ff7mt Год назад

      Ayo??? That's actually fantastic!!

  • @UndeadJuggla
    @UndeadJuggla 2 года назад +305

    I'm really glad that homestuck content is still around, even tho most people left the Fandom.

    • @makeme7261
      @makeme7261 2 года назад +11

      Oh you never leave its like just going dormant

    • @feralDinosaur
      @feralDinosaur 2 года назад +16

      Yeah I always go “omg hs pfp” whenever I see one, even at AnimeExpo in the artists alley there was a Roxy print and I freaked out and told my friend “LOOK THERES A HOMESTUCK RIGHT THERE.”

    • @YahNation
      @YahNation 2 года назад +3

      ==>_Reawaken.

    • @katrinagray855
      @katrinagray855 Год назад

      As someone who could NEVER finish I'm happy it helps me learn

    • @haldouglas4773
      @haldouglas4773 Год назад +6

      left? nah, we never left. we're here living our calm adult lives until we hear that music again

  • @shadowartwastaken
    @shadowartwastaken 2 года назад +89

    I've honestly wanted to ask this question for while: What is actually wrong with Hussie? Guy spends years of his live writing a comic and building up his fame only to disregard it by selling it to Viz media and then give a bunch of hacks complete authority to write whatever the hell they want about his story. Now whenever he adds anything to Homestuck it's always to piss off the fans and make them hate the story even more.
    Compare him to Toby for example:
    Guy spends years making a game, it gets insanely popular and gets a bunch of money and fame from it, his community loves him. Then he stops making games for years and comes back with another game for which he's getting even more praise for and will eventually make more money from it.
    Toby "Radiation" Fox has an arguably better career and success than Hussie nowadays.

    • @pandoratheexplorer8211
      @pandoratheexplorer8211 2 года назад +44

      Hussie seems to have more contempt for their fans seeing what they inputted in the epilogues/homestuck 2. A lot of stuff seems to be mean spirited towars the fans, making fun of them for caring about homestuck. Otherwise theyre known to be kind of an ass to whatpumpkin employees. Sarahz made an excellent video on it

    • @gameygeemer4142
      @gameygeemer4142 Год назад

      Hussie has always and will always fucking hate his fans
      What's wrong with him is a really good question, but he Does fucking hate you for liking it

    • @shadowartwastaken
      @shadowartwastaken Год назад +1

      @@gameygeemer4142 Yeah I guessed as much seeing as how the epilogues completely butchered the characters.

    • @vaniillazilla
      @vaniillazilla 10 месяцев назад +15

      toby and hussie are the calliope and caliborn of the homestuck fandom (minus caliborn's misogyny and such)

    • @supotter377
      @supotter377 10 месяцев назад +7

      He is a troll that got power so he uses it to laugh at the ones who got him where he is now

  • @chibimaster7819
    @chibimaster7819 2 года назад +124

    I really wanna show this to someone who hasn't seen homestuck because to an outsider this probably sounds batshit crazy

    • @dooplon5083
      @dooplon5083 2 года назад +8

      especially with the background images lol

    • @GrandGobboBarb
      @GrandGobboBarb Год назад +2

      it does.

    • @redmestiro
      @redmestiro Год назад +1

      i never heard of it untill now im 10 mins in and its pretty boringso far but i live a extrema lifestyle online so its going to be very very rare to shock me maybe my opinions will change later in the video

    • @PeachesNMilks
      @PeachesNMilks Год назад +2

      Outsider here and the only thing I know about going into this is the trolls. So watching this is batshit crazy but in a way that I can’t look away cause it just keeps going

    • @irliiMicrophone
      @irliiMicrophone Год назад +3

      Outsider here! I watched one of my exs read homestuck on twitch up to page 600 or something like that so I have no idea what I'm in for

  • @adaj.8723
    @adaj.8723 2 года назад +43

    one rumor that lives in my head rent free is that when contacted about when the next homestuck book is coming out, a viz media representative said that the series is done and that there are "six books for six acts"

  • @hairscythe2257
    @hairscythe2257 2 года назад +147

    This video is so underrated!! It's the quality I'd expect from a video with 500,000 views, not 700

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +9

      so kind of you to say! I have some ideas for more Homestuck content so stay tuned!

    • @hairscythe2257
      @hairscythe2257 2 года назад +1

      @@CalsCalzones :D

  • @nightazday7988
    @nightazday7988 2 года назад +195

    There was also the point in Hiveswap act 1 where Joey runs into her dad's (Jake Harley) collection and also gets flustered. Indicating that Joey might have similar taste as her dad. So when they introduced a cerulean-blooded troll called Elwurd there were expectations (which didn't disappoint)

    • @flamingpi2245
      @flamingpi2245 Год назад +9

      Ohhhh that’s why Jake had a crush on aranea (the cerulean thing)

  • @IcarusOOT
    @IcarusOOT Год назад +33

    On the Vriska argument: She's a horrible person, she may have helped a lot, but she is fucking terrible. She is basically the very definition of anti-hero, and in her own words, "You don't have to be a good person to be a hero."

  • @probablyapineapple
    @probablyapineapple 8 месяцев назад +39

    "thou shalt not paralyze a sweet boy by throwing him off a cliff" will be in my brain forever now. thank you

  • @sunnytipper3880
    @sunnytipper3880 Год назад +37

    So Snoop Dogg is, in fact aware of Homestuck, due to someone drawing fanart of both Nepeta and Meulin wearing matching weed bikinis on either side of Snoop Dogg in 2015.

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  Год назад +7

      yeah, thats exactly the fanart in this video. hes never outright said that he knows where the characters are from though.

  • @roondar6141
    @roondar6141 2 года назад +29

    I do sometimes wish I had gotten into Homestuck during it's height instead of near it's end because of Undertale

    • @TOBAPNW_
      @TOBAPNW_ Год назад +2

      it was okay. the forums were neat, tumblr was pretty active. there was a lot of interest and speculation that seemed to evaporate overnight.

    • @gregcourtney751
      @gregcourtney751 10 месяцев назад

      It was chaos. I wasn't reading live for like cascade but for a lot of the part 6 and onwards. What really made it was the fan reaction or really fast cosplay.

  • @PineFSunshine
    @PineFSunshine 2 года назад +167

    Nice to know that in an alternate universe a whole wave of transmen and nonbinary people would be calling themselves Chad.

    • @8luelight
      @8luelight 2 года назад +29

      B33 < I WASS ALMOSST CHAD. I WASS ALMOSST FUCKING CHAD.

  • @tedtolliver572
    @tedtolliver572 Год назад +36

    No one seems to have mentioned this but the beekeeper troll was scrapped partly because the artist drew some inappropriate art to reveal the troll's sign. The artist claimed Andrew gave her permission to do it, but it seems to be due to a misunderstanding. The team quickly backpedaled and the artist was kicked out.

  • @hadleyc4765
    @hadleyc4765 Год назад +23

    I would like to add that Snoop Dogg actually DOES know about homestuck! He tagged #homestuck in a comment about that fanart a while ago.

  • @valentina0xs
    @valentina0xs Год назад +23

    the icarly thing is so genius i immediately understood everything lmao

  • @Fiskool
    @Fiskool Год назад +16

    I'm both impressed and shocked that "The Baby is 2" has breached so far out of the canmt bubble that it's now Homestuck iceberg material. and it's not the very bottom. what kind of nightmare world am I living in

  • @jeffoneto278xd
    @jeffoneto278xd 2 года назад +23

    Holy shit, bro. I've never read Homestuck and yet it keeps showing up in my recommended. Sounds like a wild ride.

  • @lakepetty8125
    @lakepetty8125 2 года назад +37

    So glad to have helped! This turned out so so well! I feel really nostalgic about some of this haha

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +1

      honestly me too. might be time for a reread!

  • @knightofpheraee
    @knightofpheraee 2 года назад +24

    actually glad that all of these topics were handled with care! i dont often comment on videos but this was a good watch B) ( also looking forward to the mentioned followup )

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +3

      most of them were handled with care. but there are a few things i think I'll have to address next time. but I'm always trying my best! either way, I appreciate the support. 💖

  • @meowmreowmeow
    @meowmreowmeow 5 месяцев назад +3

    Extra for the homestuck referenced in different shows: it was actually referenced on bluey a few times. From what I remember, an episode where the main characters went shopping contained the words “prospit” written on one of the banners put up on the products (hopefully I am describing this correctly,,)

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  5 месяцев назад +1

      yes! i learned about this after posting the video, but it'll be in the follow up!

    • @meowmreowmeow
      @meowmreowmeow 5 месяцев назад

      @@CalsCalzones awesome!!!

  • @WirelessMagician
    @WirelessMagician 9 месяцев назад +5

    23:50 UPDATE: Multiple updates for Homestuck^2: Beyond Canon have released, and James Roach is now in charge of developing the story.

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  9 месяцев назад +1

      im working on a whole video about this right now! thank you!

    • @WirelessMagician
      @WirelessMagician 9 месяцев назад

      @@CalsCalzones Np :3

  • @Voxedout
    @Voxedout 2 года назад +22

    Ah, finally,, A great iceberg to play in the background while I draw my original fan-made silly little grey alien

  • @inactiveaccoutleave
    @inactiveaccoutleave 2 года назад +76

    50:15 Alright, fellow OP iceberg helper here!
    They probably forgot to put "discourse" at the end of this one but it was about a huge unnecessary drama hiveswap fans did bc of these two.
    When Act2 came out, a lot of ppl actually got uncomfortable with their interactions since Joey was almost 15 and Elwurd 16 in the game, some even started associating liking Elwurd or shipping her with Joey pr0sh1pp1ng(all of this bc some fans see Joey as still a child due to her naivety she has in the game)
    Unfortunately Elwurd is the only character most ppl are low-key afraid to make fan anything out of her bc of this :(
    I totally get why you probably didn't know about this while making the video since it mostly happened on Insta and Twitter

    • @LHuxlux
      @LHuxlux 2 года назад +9

      OP here (lol): I didn't put "discourse" because there was not enough space. Also because it referred to the the whole age thing and how confusing it was. It looked like Friendsim was that group project where everyone does their part and then put them together even if it doesn't make any sense or resulted hard to interpret for the readers/players

    • @LostSwiftpaw
      @LostSwiftpaw 2 года назад +24

      But a 1 year age gap is like? Not bad? Someone please tell me if im missing something

    • @LHuxlux
      @LHuxlux 2 года назад +13

      ​@@LostSwiftpaw No no, it's not about the age gap, it is about how confusing were the ages of the trolls with the events in Friendsim.

    • @LostSwiftpaw
      @LostSwiftpaw 2 года назад +2

      @@LHuxlux
      Ohh yeah that makes sense!

    • @mayateeemm5728
      @mayateeemm5728 2 года назад +11

      @@LHuxlux omg i totally forgot i had thought that since she was at the “18+” party selling drugs it meant she was an adult (in human terms)

  • @beamcquay2060
    @beamcquay2060 Год назад +17

    I was just trying to procrastinate homework, I was reminded of homestuck, was never apart of the Fandom, but oh my God am I glad I wasn't. The amount of THINGS that have happened in the comics entirety (fan works/interactions and all) is deeply terrifying lmao

  • @axeldorf6524
    @axeldorf6524 Год назад +14

    fun fact; the reason why beekeeper was even replaced because the artist who made her had made public rule34 art of her, or it was leaked idk but that's why beekeeper was scrapped. Whatpumpkin to this day still has ownership of those scrapped characters and don't advise asking the artists for those scrapped characters they may or may not have made
    source: trust me, i did my homework plus was there when i found the porn

  • @yori4434
    @yori4434 2 года назад +14

    That's exactly what i wanted to see... and its whole hour long video! I love it!!

  • @mayateeemm5728
    @mayateeemm5728 2 года назад +15

    i dont know if you heard, but a heinoustuck remake involving the original creator is being made!

  • @wazd_405
    @wazd_405 Год назад +8

    Honestly, it’s fitting that a time-traveler going to the past to cosplay as a character that hasn’t been revealed yet would go as one of the most chaotic characters. ( 1:02:11 )

  • @akepatherainwing145
    @akepatherainwing145 2 года назад +22

    Idarat Catlaz didn't become canonical in Hiveswap from a Toblerone wish, Liquid T. won the Hiveswap comic competition.

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +8

      thank you for the info! I probably didn't look far enough into idarat, I mainly focused on the other day trolls. appreciate the correction!

    • @akepatherainwing145
      @akepatherainwing145 2 года назад

      @@CalsCalzones No problem!

  • @dingus1787
    @dingus1787 Год назад +8

    No clue how I didn't see this video sooner. Really liked it aside from a few details that were kinda wrong or needed some more context.
    One of which is the third canon fan troll that was brought up during the canon trollsonas bit, this one was actually the winner of an art contest that was done for Hiveswap Act 2. The grand prize was getting your fantroll into the game.

  • @moirailegiance
    @moirailegiance 2 года назад +8

    i used to "homestuck" a danganronpa server i was in by quietly adding cant fight the homestuck into the music queue in a private channel i was a part of and waiting for hell to break loose

  • @gdfrisina5065
    @gdfrisina5065 2 года назад +8

    homestuck the musical was a fixation of mine after i finished homestuck and was sad abt it being over

  • @BaalFridge
    @BaalFridge 2 года назад +8

    jesus christ the fact i can understand most of the iceberg really takes me back lol, damn the early 2010s were weird.

  • @vriska1674
    @vriska1674 2 года назад +12

    this is the best Homestuck iceberg on RUclips in my opinion

  • @kraglynn
    @kraglynn Год назад +8

    j k rowling photos slowly being put on screen while you talked about transphobia was gold, wheird that was have a transphobia icon though. like how did that even happen? how did we end up actually having a patron saint of transphobia?

  • @emmasuarez9475
    @emmasuarez9475 Год назад +6

    This will probably never be seen but!! Sugoi Quest for Kokoro is also most likely a parody of Nyan Neko Sugar Girls

  • @tAVROSSS
    @tAVROSSS 4 месяца назад +3

    32:50 he seems like a friendly guy, but I definitely won't go in the same elevator with him. He would do scary things to me and the elevator.

  • @BurnBluefireK
    @BurnBluefireK 2 года назад +61

    June egbert was already a popular interpretation before the toblerone was found.

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +23

      right! sorry if I said otherwise. the finding of the toblerone just helped to make her more widespread.

  • @LHuxlux
    @LHuxlux 2 года назад +8

    Holy shit 1 hour!! thank you for your work! ^^

  • @sagesager7584
    @sagesager7584 2 года назад +36

    deepest part of the ice burg: trying to understand the mage class

    • @felipe9187
      @felipe9187 Год назад

      LOLLL true😭😭😭

    • @heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281
      @heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281 Год назад +1

      After doing literally one google search, this is my interpretation
      Mage is the active version of the seer, which is a passive class. Passive classes benefit others, active benefit themselves, so mage would be like... Looking up a RUclips walkthrough? I guess?

    • @sagesager7584
      @sagesager7584 Год назад

      @@heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281 its a joke dude

    • @heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281
      @heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281 Год назад

      @@sagesager7584 oh..
      Whoopsie

    • @sagesager7584
      @sagesager7584 Год назад

      @@heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281 its fine lol

  • @FunkMcLovin
    @FunkMcLovin 2 года назад +94

    Cool video! Amazing in-depth research, very comprehensive. Immensely disappointed you got a copyright strike on this one.
    Some additions:
    1. MeGaLoVania
    The song is hotly contested- People will argue about whether it's a Vriska song since it features her signature instrument (guitar) or Aradia since Wake centers around Aradia.
    2. Vriska
    There's a lot more Vriska trivia, her Wiki trivia page is really great. Hm- Someone should make a feature length documentary about her 🤔
    3. SBAHJ
    SBAHJ was loosely based on a webcomic that Hussie intended to mock called "Higher Technology" which is a stereotypical Gamer Comic of that era which originated the :y face. You mention this later on but never the name.
    4. Books
    The books have ended, they are still in print, but the books will not tell the entire story, tragically.
    5. Flash
    For some reason, the official renders of the Homestuck flashes on their main youtube channel are incredibly poor quality in spite of flash supporting high-def renders. It's unknown why this is as fans have uploaded better versions prior to the flash discontinuation. You mention this later but it's still wild to me
    6. Paradox Space
    The final episode of Paradox Space was only released in a hard-copy book that sold out its first day. Vrisky Business is now only viewable if you manage to find scans of it.
    7. Formspring
    You mention Solluxander but not Eridaniel.
    8. Caucasian
    The controversy as I remember it was actually the reverse. Andrew seemed to be *making fun of* people who exclusively considered the characters white and people were angry he was making fun of white people. This was during a time that long-time MSPA Forum-goers were embittered to a perceived "SJW" turn Andrew Hussie was taking. "Peachy" was replaced because it was intended to be the joke before the controversy.
    9. Dante Basco
    Dante voices Rufioh in Voxus's let's read. Pretty cool.
    10. Retcon
    The Retcon Juju item isn't white- It's actually transparent in the .gif.
    11. Beta Kid Designs
    There's actually a pic somewhere of Dave with a block-head. I can't find it but I know it exists
    12. Dave's Blog
    The only canonical place where Dave uses punctuation. Also he says the N word (you mention this i just think its wild)
    13. Viz Ruined Homestuck
    This one is just sad. The ads are flush with the panels, now. Very bad.
    14. TUHSC
    The slur replacement project is compatible with this. It's also a resource to read SBAHJ and other obscure related works. The best thing Hussie ever did was let his work slide into unofficial public domain.
    15. Namco High
    The Homestuck characters were actually paid DLC, interestingly.
    16. Hussie Is O
    This is one of a few "Hussie Is X" conspiracies, the most prominent other one is "Hussie is Chuck Tingle" which Chuck debunks.
    17. Snoop Fanart
    If you know the artist you know.
    That's all the stuff I could think of. What an amazing video, really great to revisit all this stuff. Thanks for making this.

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +10

      all of this is very useful info for the update video I intend to make! also a vriska video is certainly on the table. I promised TikTok I would make a leprechaun video next though so look forward to that lol

    • @FunkMcLovin
      @FunkMcLovin 2 года назад +4

      @@CalsCalzones have you seen the vriskumentary

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +5

      @@FunkMcLovin omg no what

    • @FunkMcLovin
      @FunkMcLovin 2 года назад +5

      @@CalsCalzones its on youtube. by the same guy who did he roll biology vid

    • @Eat_Acid
      @Eat_Acid Год назад +1

      Dante Basco is a friend of Hussie, from whose image he created Rufio. He also played in the Peter Pan series and looked just like Rufio

  • @maverickREAL
    @maverickREAL 2 года назад +4

    Well, now I'm obsessed with Professor Mayonaka, thanks for the introduction to this fascinating character.

  • @OfficialKarkatVantas
    @OfficialKarkatVantas Год назад +9

    I hate that I was born after the fandom had arisen. And just now I've gotten back into it and it's dying-

  • @NatTheNewt
    @NatTheNewt Год назад +5

    people don't seem to realize that the retcon powers weren't there to literally fix mistakes hussie thought they made or smthg. homestuck is meta as hell; the author has a self insert, caliborn takes over the story for a while. so while they're calling it a retcon, it's just another goofy time travel mechanic and not some attempt by the author to appease unhappy fans.
    they're pretty honest about their takes on fan takes. the Caucasian joke didn't start the race discourse, it was commenting on the already way out of control tumblr-brawling over headcanons

  • @vcalebs
    @vcalebs 2 года назад +2

    this fucking rocks, i'd love to see more of this series or just iceberg deep dives. amazing content.

  • @sukebae339
    @sukebae339 2 года назад +3

    i’ve been waiting on one of these

  • @petrichor16_
    @petrichor16_ Год назад +6

    DANTE WAS AT A CON I WENT TO EARLIER THIS YEAR!! I should’ve went up to him and went “oh man I loved you in homestuck” but I DIDN’t . FUCK

  • @genyakozlov1316
    @genyakozlov1316 2 года назад +7

    16:47 Fun fact, I actually heard of that story way back when, but I had no idea what sharpie was, so I always clicked off any videos which mentioned it, because I assumed they were talking about someone taking a bath with pencil sharpeners. Almost happened to this video too.

  • @anatomija
    @anatomija 7 месяцев назад +3

    Surprised there wasnt mentioned Andrews horse d1ldo. Idk much abt it but ik that some fans sent it to him and its even referenced in horusses sprite

  • @mimipeahes5848
    @mimipeahes5848 2 года назад +5

    Very nice video! That said, i wish the title was homestuck fandom iceberg instead.

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +5

      fair. a true Homestuck iceberg would singlehandedly stop global warming with how huge it would be

  • @woos057
    @woos057 2 года назад +5

    Rev Scarecrow better be on this iceberg after he had to read the entire thing on stream for charity

  • @franciscosantossilva41
    @franciscosantossilva41 2 года назад +2

    You did a fantastic job. I'd totally be up for watching a follow-up video!

  • @pudindipreda3049
    @pudindipreda3049 2 года назад +3

    Yooo this is great dude! Great job!

  • @ramonaray4307
    @ramonaray4307 2 года назад +27

    I don't usually comment but this event lived SO rent free in my head.
    The What Pumpkin Discourse lived rent free in my head for DAYS after the whole Sarah Z fiasco and longer after Hussie got involved because it felt a little demoralizing as a fan. Like they both represented the facts about what she said either poorly, or suggested that only haters have such thoughts or opinions. Even though there were plenty of fans who were put off by some of the behavior they've seen from WP.
    Like somehow she's the one that originated these thoughts and fans hadn't been discussing them this whole time. I think broadly though everyone has to decide what they are and aren't willing to put up with. And I'm willing to live with the situation as it is because I believe in this community and the people inside of it.

    • @cyberpunk-2O77
      @cyberpunk-2O77 Год назад

      I mean, I'm a fan. I've been one since September 2009. I don't like her video because it isn't about Homestuck as much as it is about Hussie and businesses that emerged around Homestuck. It gives almost zero merit to the comic where it shines, and just doomposts and focuses primarily on drama. It's, objectively, an exercise of focusing on the negative for a good half of the video or more, and less that of the comic and more about business blunders.
      Frankly, she doesn't talk about pluses in general very much, but of Homestuck in particular, and for that, I don't think her title on that video is very apt nor is it a very good take overall.

  • @irisinthedarkworld
    @irisinthedarkworld 2 года назад +6

    if i recall correctly, in the act 6 intermission 3 walkaround flash, you can find professor mayonaka's amulet

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +4

      absolutely true! one of two places it appears in canon!

  • @shadokwastaken
    @shadokwastaken 2 года назад +3

    very cool videooooo. also the track used said to be from "the baby is 2" is actually from the first the baby is you

  • @momos4173
    @momos4173 Год назад +1

    God, I first read homestuck in 2012-13, it's been ten years. Ten. Long. Years. Was deep into the fandom and witnessed the peak and decline. What a ride.

    • @lucycomer7865
      @lucycomer7865 8 месяцев назад

      me too. Honestly? Funnest period of my life. Being a young teenager during peak homestuck was so fun

  • @ElderFreeman413
    @ElderFreeman413 5 месяцев назад +2

    Slurs are okay, It was a product of the time and honestly the gritdiness helps the appeal. These were teenagers/ on the cusp of teenage hood. Going through the most stressful thing anyone could imagine creating and losing a universe. I think it is completely okay for them to say some "horrible" stuff (also Karkat's entire personality is the word. "Fuckass" and I love him)

  • @ikol458
    @ikol458 Год назад +1

    I like how the first half of this is just explaining what Homestuck is and how it works

  • @Seshirukun
    @Seshirukun 2 года назад +2

    Awesome vid!

  • @ashleyg5326
    @ashleyg5326 Год назад +5

    Not sure it was mentioned as I'm only 1/4 of the way through this video, but Broadway Karkat was a huge fan project at the time, but I feel like gets lost

  • @master4279
    @master4279 9 месяцев назад +3

    Guy: woah, how did you get so strong
    Me: Every time I didn't understand something I'm homestuck, I did 1 push up
    Guy: Jesus

  • @casualotaku3505
    @casualotaku3505 Год назад +3

    I fell out of the fandom during the mega giga pause and keep telling myself I'll try reading again but the time sink is just so massive.😅

    • @Kira-km9vj
      @Kira-km9vj Год назад

      I totally get that! It's really overwhelming, especially considering how long it is and that you'd probably have to re-read the whole thing to better understand everything. That's actually what I'm doing right now and honestly, I'm not regretting it!😊 Once you start with the first few hundred pages, you just... keep going? So yeah I can highly recommend to start reading it again^^

  • @Aminahaaa
    @Aminahaaa 2 года назад +1

    good as video cal !! thorough as hell

  • @beaudacious9024
    @beaudacious9024 2 года назад +8

    I'm sure someone has probably said this before, but the John Karkat person came out and said that was a joke, if I remember correctly.

  • @magnusarsmagna5896
    @magnusarsmagna5896 2 года назад +3

    If Heir of Piss (Peace) exists, then a Heir of Wall (War) exists.

  • @NebulaHalo
    @NebulaHalo 2 года назад +2

    this video needs more love

  • @scritoph3368
    @scritoph3368 2 года назад +17

    I somehow managed to get into homestuck when I was 10 for a bit. Wish I could’ve been born earlier so I could’ve actually been part of the fandom, cringey as it was. Reread and finally finished it like a year ago, and it’s really weird and sad just seeing the shadow of the massive fandom it once had. If only they hadn’t completely botched hiveswap, epilogues, HS^2, perhaps it would a still be a weird cultural juggernaut.

  • @AcousticKid
    @AcousticKid Год назад +1

    I just learned about formspring right now from this video

  • @mykehunt9884
    @mykehunt9884 Год назад +4

    1:02:39 shadow wizard money gang 🤑💀🤑💀🤑

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  Год назад +2

      we love casting spells! 🧙🪄✨

  • @palequadrant2
    @palequadrant2 2 года назад +1

    ive watched this 3 times this is very good

  • @yam3946
    @yam3946 2 года назад +2

    meGaLoVania should be so high in the clouds that you can't even see the iceberg and undertale should be eclipsing the entire scene.

  • @paytonmaenicholemerry4480
    @paytonmaenicholemerry4480 Год назад +4

    I thought i was like 40 minutes in. No i was 10

  • @giannemae
    @giannemae Год назад +1

    The pauses jfc. That gigapause was the hardest to wait until I lost interest in the comic. I remember refreshing the page everyday hoping for some snippet on the next act...

  • @timaeusTechnopath
    @timaeusTechnopath Год назад +2

    im surprised that Broadway homestuck wasn’t on here

  • @rosen_venus
    @rosen_venus 3 месяца назад

    I'm sure others have pointed this out, but I was happy to hear "...that comes about at the end of the world" as opposed to the far more common "...that ends the world" in the intro. It doesn't make much of a difference to someone asking what Homestuck is as an outsider, sure, but only because answering "What is Homestuck?" with a blurb about the plot tells them almost nothing actually useful ABOUT what Homestuck is anyways. If you're going to summarize the plot before getting to the good stuff, it should at least be a summary that is accurate, albeit without totally spoiling the plot twist about the end of the world scenario they begin* the story in.

  • @Korn_dogz
    @Korn_dogz Год назад +4

    homestuck

  • @switchboxhero
    @switchboxhero 2 года назад +14

    The fact that there are people that skipped to the trolls is outrageous, considering Acts 1-4 is better than the rest of the comic.

  • @phoebeisthebest6518
    @phoebeisthebest6518 2 года назад +11

    im the deranged phoebe person, the "racism" cited was because i made a joke about how my city stopped having bus routes to the "poor" part of town where most of the black and mexican people live. im black myself. bad research.

    • @phoebeisthebest6518
      @phoebeisthebest6518 2 года назад +11

      and the "harassment" was me getting doxxed by the homestuck discord/reddit guys because i pointed out hussie dated a 16 year old

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +7

      hey, let me personally apologize to you. I'm extremely sorry for any harm done to you by this video. you're 100% correct, I did not look enough into this situation to be able to comment on it, it was really just a single Google search. I'm planning on making a follow up to this video with some corrections, would you be willing to dm me and talk so that I could set the record straight?

    • @phoebeisthebest6518
      @phoebeisthebest6518 2 года назад +8

      @@CalsCalzones i'd love to talk to you one on one! thank you for being understanding. the problem with the server in question is ongoing and they pride themselves on making the fandom unsafe for minors.

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  2 года назад +4

      @@phoebeisthebest6518 of course! i really feel bad about my reporting here and id like to get your side of everything. are you on twitter? im @Cals_Calzones on there, id love for you to reach out so we can schedule a good time to chat.

    • @rommdan2716
      @rommdan2716 Год назад +7

      @@phoebeisthebest6518 Why I'm not surprised by the "Dated a 16 years old" part?

  • @thehistoryandbooknerd8979
    @thehistoryandbooknerd8979 2 года назад +2

    You deserve more subs ngl :33

  • @lyserka
    @lyserka 2 года назад +1

    This is the best video ever uploaded

  • @kittykittybangbang9367
    @kittykittybangbang9367 2 года назад +2

    I've been waiting on a HS iceberg

  • @Hunters_of_Hylia
    @Hunters_of_Hylia 2 года назад +5

    Valeu Pudin mt foda

  • @jesseh.5223
    @jesseh.5223 4 месяца назад

    Damn, Cal was really in the zone with this one!

  • @chuckm3826
    @chuckm3826 2 года назад

    i feel different,..,. worse.,,.., thank you for taking the time to put this together omg

  • @griff6447
    @griff6447 Год назад

    Sugoi Quest For Kokoro is the best and a new episode is indeed happenning!

  • @TheSecondBestOwen
    @TheSecondBestOwen 5 месяцев назад

    Incomprehensible, I have begun to understand

  • @sukebae339
    @sukebae339 2 года назад +2

    YESSSS

  • @omeg5473
    @omeg5473 7 месяцев назад +3

    no karkalicious????
    what the fuck???
    no way😭

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  7 месяцев назад +1

      Oh don't worry. I'll be covering karkalicious in the future

    • @omeg5473
      @omeg5473 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@CalsCalzones :)

    • @omeg5473
      @omeg5473 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@CalsCalzonesand also the arrow comands probably are the ==> that appears in lots of pages

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  6 месяцев назад

      @@omeg5473 yes, and those are a reference to the old adventure games like I said!

    • @omeg5473
      @omeg5473 6 месяцев назад

      @@CalsCalzones ikr

  • @rivetsquid8887
    @rivetsquid8887 Год назад +9

    Mehhh, I sure didn't like the discourse about it... but I'm trans and frankly I never liked June being canon.
    If they'd pulled something like, "oh Dave was ftm the whole time, it's part of his toxic machismo," I'd have liked it a lot better.
    But just abruptly superimposing being trans over JE with so little contextual support from a character like that felt kind of... insulting?
    At the time at least I perceived it that way, now I just think it was a really weird choice during a time where Hussie seemed to be falling out of love with the comics, but stranger things have happened in the multiverse [shrug]

  • @etruscanetwork
    @etruscanetwork Год назад +2

    Problem Sleuth iceberg when?

    • @CalsCalzones
      @CalsCalzones  Год назад +1

      i love this idea. id actaully really like to make a video on the physics concepts of the problem sleuth universe. the fact that every atom is a very small pickle inspector is one of my favorite jokes from any media

  • @konjurist
    @konjurist 2 года назад +3

    jesus christ homestuck iceberg. i’m on my 9th readthrough of homestuck

  • @aykrivwassup
    @aykrivwassup 5 месяцев назад +2

    30:58 - 31:51 You forgot the best part - he voiced Rufioh for Voxus!