A rare case of building the infrastructure before thousands of people have moved into the area. Good to see the futureproofing in the design as well. Thanks for the video!
@@winnerwinnerporkbellydinner I sure wish that many lines got the same treatment I.e The Airport lines, The Mernda line extension, Hurstbridge line extension, Frankston line extension up to Baxter (Then reactivating the Mornington line) etc
It would be cool to see a skyrail station at Mornington. Even one under the plaza like at Box Hill. Massive ask there, but since they've found the money to put all these other stations on their own bridges, not too big a deal.
As a commuter on the Gippsland line (for now), the new track layout as East Pakenham is very much welcome. There's been many times, especially since the sidings were ripped up at Pakenham to make way for the skyrail, that we've had to wait several minutes while both platforms are occupied at Pakenham before we can stop there. The Gippsland line is already a long-ish commute into the city from where I get on at Warragul so if this can speed travel time up a bit, I'll be happy with it. I haven't had a chance to visit East Pakenham or the new Pakenham stations yet as V/Line services aren't running yet due to other occupation works at Longwarry & Bunyip, but once our trains are back online I'll be sure to check each one out.
V/Line needs to rethink the way it services the Gippsland line - it still runs trains like it was 1880 with most trains terminating at Traralgon, a stopping all stations pattern and apparently no thought at all about how to handle the huge growth in Drouin & Warragul. I think a reasonable portion of trains should originate at Warragul and most Traralgon trains should run semi express, with Warragul trains handling the very limited pax numbers between Pakenham and Drouin. I can't see any reason why an up peak service from Traralgon needs to stop at any of those very small towns - from what I see virtually no one alights there.
@@aberfeldy1944 Completely agree, I did a year of commuting from Sale a couple of times a week. I had to drive to Traralgon to get decent service frequency and then the train would get ram packed at Drouin/Warragul. I’m in the Metro footprint now but have family in Drouin, I don’t then the State government has had any thought about how to handle the explosive growth. Peak services originating/terminating at Warragul are needed.
@@aberfeldy1944 Also there are no food services on this line like there was in the past. It’s ludicrous to expect commuters to travel from Bairnsdale to Melbourne with no onboard refreshments. Lift your game, VLine …
@@aberfeldy1944 "... it still runs trains like it was 1880 with most trains terminating at Traralgon ..." I'd be very surprised if most trains were terminating at Traralgon in 1880. The goal of the Department of Transport seems to be to increase frequencies, reliability, and consistency, not speed. If you have a mix of stopping and express services, then you either double the number of services (costly) or you reduce frequencies for some stations, and you have inconsistent times due to express trains and stopping trains having different journey times. I'm not saying whether that's a good or bad thing; just pointing out what seems to be the intentions. It's not all that many years since there were Warragul trains, and there may be merit in reintroducing them, but they'd likely be just a handful of peak period trains to supplement the Traralgon service.
We had the same thing happen to us Perthlings when the Joondalup line got extended to Clarkson. It still retained the Joondalup name after its completion. It’s now getting renamed to the Yanchep line as Yanchep in the outer limits of the Perth Metro area to the north. It means as well that the train trip between Yanchep and Mandurah will be 150km in overall length!
Clarkson station always reminded me of the old top gear and grand tour episodes when James May and Richard would get cross at Jeremy Clarkson for his pranks and mischief and they would yell at him "CLARKSON!!!!"
Interesting that only the Siemens got change for intersection change here announcement as both the EDI comeng and Xtrapolis on Frankston side at Caulfield still announcing "change here for Pakenham and Cranbourne services. And yes E Pakenham look very goofy, got a laugh out of me when I was visiting on the first day of opening. Also love the reference to the runaway Comeng from your broadmeadows runaways video. RIP 393M-1048T-394M
Train: I WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THIS DRIVER ITS MY CHANCE! Driver: WHAT THE HELL? Trains at North Melbourne: WHAT ARE YOU DOING? train: IM RUNNING AWAY Train at southern cross: WHAT IS THAT? Train: AGHHHHH I CANT STOP crashes*
Does anyone else remember when the line Pakenham line was electrified all the way to Traralgon? I remember as a kid catching a Hitachi from Morwell as part of a School trip which was booked as a special train and that's what they sent - the Teachers had to stop the train at Warragul because so many kids needed to go to the toilet and there were none aboard. Fun times.
3:03 - "It's also no longer permitted to install sets of points on Viaducts" That's interesting, what's the story behind that? I presume it's a Victorian railway rule because WA is building points on viaducts right now with their own extensions, including replacing an old ground level terminus with an elevated through station at Armadale (WA) similar to Pakenham. That station will have 3 platforms and will not only have points and crossovers on a viaduct, but will also elevated dead-end overrun sidings/future track expansion points that just stop at a void.
Yes definitely a local rule, I'm not sure what the exact reasoning is, but probably something about reducing the (already tiny) risk of derailment on a viaduct.
I think also a factor would be the method the LXRA has developed to streamline the construction of the many new viaducts around Melbourne. Lines enclosed in seperate channels would not allow for the instalation of points.
My grandparents have one of the properties above Pakenham East station. A section of their property was picked up but the govt. Unfortunatley it was handled rather poorly (they found out in the media) This is the best explanation as to WHY it needed to be built where it is.
Nah its actually all due to need to bidirectional running as Vline route isn't actually all duplicated yet so trains can come in on both sides prior to Pakenham Station. You also have the times they run to just Pakenham as well, when works happens. It was just a very convenient way to build the extra infrastructure while eventually getting a return on it, as the town grows.
When I was young my grandfather was the station master at Nar Nar Goon (East of Pakenham). I can remember the endless flashes of the trees which arched over the highway. It was WAY out into the country. And was served by steam trains. Then they wanted to electrify the line and duplicate it so they had to demolish the stationmaster's residence and that was the end for Nar Nar Goon. It is interesting that the new station is mid way between the two. But the obvious logic is that they wanted somewhere WITHOUT the contstraints of housing. The trouble is that if you put a station where the people are NOT and BECAUSE the people are not there you have created a different future problem.
Great video, I travelled into the CBD each day in the first week of E Pakenham and there was barely 25-30 cars in the carpark each morning. Very convienient for me!
Well presented, Martin. You apparently did the Biblical thing and "prepared the way" for my visit on the same day as I was there around the 13 00 - 14 00 mark having a general snoop. It was good to catch up with you (and Alex J.) ever so briefly at Flinders Street on Saturday 1st June during the Tait train pause prior to going out to Hurstbridge. I took your hint and went to Clifton Hill on that Mernda service and got a good photo of the Tait approaching Ramsden Street crossing. Thanks for the tip. Cheers from Michael.🙂🙂🙂
When Sunbury line trains were terminating at Watergardens, the line name was still called Sydenham, even Watergardens is different from Sydenham ( moved up a little bit). I still recalled the days calling Sydenham-Watergardens. My smaller self was wondering why both Sydenham and Watergardens popped up on the maps and announcement together.
Ello from the other side of the continent. Seems to me that the Packenham Line is following the same naming conventions as Perth's Joondalup Line. Officially, it's the Yanchep Line, but everyone still calls it the Joondalup line even though its terminus is now 30km north of Joondalup. Cool video!
Regarding the name of the line I beg to differ that we haven't been in this situation before. In 1948, the Ashburton line was extended to Alamein and renamed the Alamein line.
Good point, I knew there would be another example! Although it's still a little different, in that the new station had a name that wasn''t the suburb, rather than being South Ashburton or something.
i watched both strayatrains and yours on the new pakenham east train station and wow !!!!!! i mean i love straytrains but this vid was just so informative and i love the way you articulate your videos in such a professional manner. well done mate 👍🏽👍🏽 great work
I really like this station it’s very peaceful and it’s cool when the vline trains run express through the station also go here in the afternoon it’s lovely and the best part your the only person to get off
Good video. Answering a couple of points. HCMT trains show E Pakenham because East Pakenham doesn't fit and would result in the front of the train simply showing "East". Comeng and Siemens trains show East Pakenham in full. The change trains announcements aren't incorrect as they refer to destinations of services, not line names. As you said, the line is the Pakenham line.
Thanks Damo! I did think that was probably the reason for the change train announcements, I'd still say it's an inconsistency though, as for all the other lines the final terminus and line name are the same. (Not as bad as the old Sydneham/Watergardens thing mind you!)
I think I was there about an hour before you - this was the day trains were running express through Melbourne Central due to a water leak and I think this was messing up the stopping patterns as they would basically be having to guess if the station would be open by the time the train got there. Explains the weirdness at 8:40 somewhat.
Your roof comment is so true for most of Network Rails last 10-15 years of architectural language. Let’s build a roof that does sweet fa in protecting passengers from the sun, rain, wind etc. Look up Corby for the older design and Meridian Water or Brent Cross West for the new design. They suck. BCW looks architecturally cool tho.
FYI some insider knowledge... Two of the signal gantries in the new East Pakenham area are re-used from near the old Pakenham Station. Taken down in the first stage when they removed the Pakenham sidings.
I enjoy the phrase "creative changes" as a description of crashed through buffers :D Also the X'traps animated looked like slow little caterpillars which is hilarious
The paddocks to the north east of the station are planned for a bunch of new subdivisions and will probably be full within the next 5-10 years, hence the main focus being on the northern side of the station. I believe the small industrial estate to the south is also fairly new
10:00 Why does the internal passenger information also use E Pakenham lol. I don't think they do that to Melbourne Central with Melbourne C or whatever lol
First time I ever traveled on this line was on June 10. I needed to get to Narre Warren station in order to pick up a click and collect from a shop at Westfield Fountain Gate. At Flinders Street Station I found out there was an overhead electrical fault that meant no trains between Dandenong and East Pakenham for the entire day, which meant bus replacements at short notice on a public holiday. Sigh...
The Seimens trains had their brakes issues in 2007-ish. Was this the same problem reappearing or was something else? I understood that was a software bug. Driver applies brakes, computer says "Nah, you don't need the brakes, I'll just ease them off a bit... or a lot!".
In relation to the bus services coming from East Pakenham station, that is currently before PTV and the government. I can't remember when they said it would be set in place, but the bus services around Pakenham haven't changed in the 10 year I've been here.
7:25 I have also noticed on some X-trapolis sets, that it displays as a "Flinders St" train instead of "Flinders Street" so thats another thing to point out that not all trains have entirety of the station name!
@Taitset I suppose so, but I'd argue that the announcements aren't talking about the lines, surely the announcements should be "change for the Pakenham line" if it was lines and not the terminus of the line. Then again, my first language isn't English. Also, god damn you, I now want to visit Melbourne and Helsinki to Melbourne is not cheap! But in all honesty, keep up with the great work, even as a person from the other side of the world you've got me hooked on the trains of Melbourne
@jopu7004 Yeah it's still a but unclear, just from the tradition of the terminus being synonymous with the line name, and also the fact there see multiple terminating points on each line. But yes, could be argued either way. Hopefully you can make it down here one day, I'd love to visit Helsinki!
I was at Pakenham on Saturday when it was raining slightly throughout the day, the station did an alright job at protecting us from it, but the rain was coming in at an angle so the roof kind of did nothing. One thing to note about the car park at East Pakenham, the little kiss and go loop they have at the end is slightly confusing as every single car I saw overshot the entrance to the car park, not realising it was the last one, then had to run around the loop to head back into the car park. Hopefully they will get some bus routes at East Pakenham as the current ones running out of Pakenham don't run at the best frequencies and stop quite early on in the evening and barely run, if at all on a Sunday.
Almost went to those two stations the same day but decided against it due to the weather, was quite chilly as well. Got to see pakenham the day after (I swear those stairs were gonna collapse bellow me) but I’m yet to see east pakenham
You went there one day too early. I sat at the station for 3 hours on the following day watching some of the Vline test runs going through and got some nice shots of Vlines passing HCMTs terminating.
Awesome video as always. Nice to see an overview of the new station(s) and line extension. I was there and at the regular Pakenham station on Friday of the opening week (June 7) and I think they were both quite interesting. Should be good to see them both when they're fully complete. I'm also wondering if trains will be able to stable (lol) in the sidings here like at the end of most other lines, or if they'll have to use Pakenham East Depot instead.
The new Ridgelea estate will be going up east of East Pakenham station. It's slated to have about 3000 homes so I'd imagine the station will become pretty busy once all that is finished over the coming decade.
Liverpool (in England!) has had a similar problem with its Central station and has been debating doing something like this for years! Of course, Liverpool is the posterchild of Managed Decline, so our railways get less than the bare minimum.
Actually you know what would be a cool video. If you did a time line video of each train station opening video. And maybe future ones, I would love that
my dad was in charge of the HCMT train project, he took me to a depot where i got to see all these HCMT trains being built before the public had even set eyes on them. I take the glen waverley line into the city so unfortunately i don't ever get to go on them. Whats your honest opinion on the HCMT train fleet?
Loved the quick reference to the idiotic shelters at Monty. Only been there once or twice since it opened so I haven't wet weather tested it, but basic physics says that high angled shelters are a terrible idea when all people want is to not be wet.
60km away? That seems nuts for a "commuter" line... and I thought our 42km long Gawler line was a bit much! Great video mate, good little overview. Say, you planning a trip over to Adelaide any time soon?
Fortunately the average speed on the Pakenham line is pretty high, it only takes roughly 10 mins longer than a full trip on the Gawler line! I hoping to make it to Adelaide at some point this year.
3 is the bare minimum. Insane there's only 2 when it's all shared by Pakenham, Cranbourne and Gippsland lines. Trains constantly need to wait behind other trains
I was always surprised that quad track didn't occur, and allow for the v/line to run express, and potentially the Pakenham to run express up to Dandenong with the Cranbourne to be a local commuter.
@@pete89111 Space is the main reason behind it. They just don't have enough space to increase the amount of lines and going underground would be basically impossible due to many different utility mains. Cranbourne and Pakenham are actually shared with short shunt trains ran when extra capacity is needed.
I suspect V/Line services will eventually terminate at Dandenong and city passengers will have to transfer to a Metro service. Inconvenient, sure, but after the Metro Tunnel comes online there will be much greater service capacity, hopefully ensuring reduced crowding especially for V/Line passengers who might have luggage. Alternatively, through running could be retained for Bairnsdale services, as presumably those services are more likely to have passengers with large bags compared to services to and from Traralgon. The ultimate would be to construct an eastern RRL, but can’t see that happening anytime soon.
And yet Flinders Street and Southern Cross are more characters, with a similar display length. It must only not fit by a tiny amount, and surely the font size is adjustable.
The reason for the different descriptions is that the trains are either express from Caulfield to South Yarra or express from Malvern to South Yarra so they need a different description. I don't about the third one as all stop at South Yarra.
@@Taitset yes I saw that but I use the line infrequently but the one time I wanted to get off at Malvern the train was an Express from Caulfield so I changed at Caulfield to a train from Frankston.
Calling it the east Pakenham line would imply to some there was another Pakenham line. This is even a real thing in other places, for example, in Philadelphia there is a Chestnut Hill East and Chestnut Hill West line that run nearly parallel to each other but take opposite routes into the city as they were initially built by competing companies and through routing wasn't until much more recently.
I frequent deep Creek reseve Park witch is near the pakenham east station, and train mauy thai in the industrial estate. It's good to know there is a service that runs out that way. I would have never known growing up in pakenham. In my 32 years here that we would have a pakenham East Station. I remember it was a small car park with gravel where the park is, and just paddocks. I'll say thoe. I'm not a fan of the New pakenham station. It's a massive wind tunnel at the moment, and there are no indoor sitting areas. Hopefully, it's changed.
0:57 I've always wanted to catch a train to a place where I can learn how to pole dance with a gun to the tune of one of Steve's car alarms!
It’s like music to my ears!
A rare case of building the infrastructure before thousands of people have moved into the area. Good to see the futureproofing in the design as well.
Thanks for the video!
If only the RRL got the same treatment... it was 10-15 years late, and now without electrification is woefully under equipped for the job.
I know it won't happen, but it would be even better future-proofing if they could try their hand at some denser developments around the station
@@winnerwinnerporkbellydinner I sure wish that many lines got the same treatment I.e The Airport lines, The Mernda line extension, Hurstbridge line extension, Frankston line extension up to Baxter (Then reactivating the Mornington line) etc
Let be happy they are extending the network. Even if it is only 1800m at a time.
It would be cool to see a skyrail station at Mornington. Even one under the plaza like at Box Hill. Massive ask there, but since they've found the money to put all these other stations on their own bridges, not too big a deal.
I’ve ignored everyone else’s clickbaity hastily rushed videos on Pakenham East, and quietly hoped you’d make one…. thankfully you delivered 🤗
I might have mine ready in 26 years time. I'd intended to head over there today, but my plans changed. :)
As a commuter on the Gippsland line (for now), the new track layout as East Pakenham is very much welcome. There's been many times, especially since the sidings were ripped up at Pakenham to make way for the skyrail, that we've had to wait several minutes while both platforms are occupied at Pakenham before we can stop there.
The Gippsland line is already a long-ish commute into the city from where I get on at Warragul so if this can speed travel time up a bit, I'll be happy with it. I haven't had a chance to visit East Pakenham or the new Pakenham stations yet as V/Line services aren't running yet due to other occupation works at Longwarry & Bunyip, but once our trains are back online I'll be sure to check each one out.
V/Line needs to rethink the way it services the Gippsland line - it still runs trains like it was 1880 with most trains terminating at Traralgon, a stopping all stations pattern and apparently no thought at all about how to handle the huge growth in Drouin & Warragul. I think a reasonable portion of trains should originate at Warragul and most Traralgon trains should run semi express, with Warragul trains handling the very limited pax numbers between Pakenham and Drouin. I can't see any reason why an up peak service from Traralgon needs to stop at any of those very small towns - from what I see virtually no one alights there.
@@aberfeldy1944 Completely agree, I did a year of commuting from Sale a couple of times a week. I had to drive to Traralgon to get decent service frequency and then the train would get ram packed at Drouin/Warragul. I’m in the Metro footprint now but have family in Drouin, I don’t then the State government has had any thought about how to handle the explosive growth.
Peak services originating/terminating at Warragul are needed.
@@aberfeldy1944 Also there are no food services on this line like there was in the past. It’s ludicrous to expect commuters to travel from Bairnsdale to Melbourne with no onboard refreshments. Lift your game, VLine …
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"... it still runs trains like it was 1880 with most trains terminating at Traralgon ..."
I'd be very surprised if most trains were terminating at Traralgon in 1880.
The goal of the Department of Transport seems to be to increase frequencies, reliability, and consistency, not speed. If you have a mix of stopping and express services, then you either double the number of services (costly) or you reduce frequencies for some stations, and you have inconsistent times due to express trains and stopping trains having different journey times. I'm not saying whether that's a good or bad thing; just pointing out what seems to be the intentions.
It's not all that many years since there were Warragul trains, and there may be merit in reintroducing them, but they'd likely be just a handful of peak period trains to supplement the Traralgon service.
Thanks for the mention, the team at Steves car alarms. Cheers
Lmao I love Tait's sense of humor! 2:04
Extending the dead end siding😂😂
We had the same thing happen to us Perthlings when the Joondalup line got extended to Clarkson. It still retained the Joondalup name after its completion. It’s now getting renamed to the Yanchep line as Yanchep in the outer limits of the Perth Metro area to the north. It means as well that the train trip between Yanchep and Mandurah will be 150km in overall length!
Uhh, Yanchep is 55km and Mandurah is 70. That's only 125.
Clarkson station always reminded me of the old top gear and grand tour episodes when James May and Richard would get cross at Jeremy Clarkson for his pranks and mischief and they would yell at him "CLARKSON!!!!"
Interesting that only the Siemens got change for intersection change here announcement as both the EDI comeng and Xtrapolis on Frankston side at Caulfield still announcing "change here for Pakenham and Cranbourne services. And yes E Pakenham look very goofy, got a laugh out of me when I was visiting on the first day of opening.
Also love the reference to the runaway Comeng from your broadmeadows runaways video. RIP 393M-1048T-394M
I wonder if the Siemens announcements might have been changed first, will be interesting to see if the others follow suit!
Fantastic video mate! Very informational, suddenly this short one station extension makes a whole lot more sense.
Yeah, the track diagram was awesome!
The Broadmeadow runway reference 💀
Fr lol 😂
LMAO i was dying
Train: I WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THIS DRIVER ITS MY CHANCE!
Driver: WHAT THE HELL?
Trains at North Melbourne: WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
train: IM RUNNING AWAY
Train at southern cross: WHAT IS THAT?
Train: AGHHHHH I CANT STOP
crashes*
Lol imagine if there is another runaway 😂
@@kimfamily6119 if I was on it I would go into the cab and spam the Horn until people get mad 😂
My sense regarding the line name is that once the Metro Tunnel opens the line will have a new name that covers one end to the other.
Does anyone else remember when the line Pakenham line was electrified all the way to Traralgon? I remember as a kid catching a Hitachi from Morwell as part of a School trip which was booked as a special train and that's what they sent - the Teachers had to stop the train at Warragul because so many kids needed to go to the toilet and there were none aboard. Fun times.
7:08
Another inconsistency is that on the Siemens and Comeng it says East Pakenham, but on the X’Trap to Richmond it seems to still just say Pakenham
Even though there are quite a few videos about East Pakenham already, this certainly offered additional information and insights. Great stuff! 👌
08:55 your addition is brilliant!
8:50 I assume that the shared use path will connect through to Pakenhan station once works wrap up
Coach replacement services on the Gippsland line give me PTSD.
Another Banger Video
3:03 - "It's also no longer permitted to install sets of points on Viaducts" That's interesting, what's the story behind that?
I presume it's a Victorian railway rule because WA is building points on viaducts right now with their own extensions, including replacing an old ground level terminus with an elevated through station at Armadale (WA) similar to Pakenham. That station will have 3 platforms and will not only have points and crossovers on a viaduct, but will also elevated dead-end overrun sidings/future track expansion points that just stop at a void.
Yes definitely a local rule, I'm not sure what the exact reasoning is, but probably something about reducing the (already tiny) risk of derailment on a viaduct.
I think also a factor would be the method the LXRA has developed to streamline the construction of the many new viaducts around Melbourne. Lines enclosed in seperate channels would not allow for the instalation of points.
Victorian railways seem to be unnecessarily conservative. Likely a good thing given how incompetent they are.
What about the LXRP at Melton? Doesn't the design there have points on a viaduct?
@Gauger1212 From what I can see the points are all on embankments, the plan isn't super clear though.
I was at Pakenham shortly before the station was closed and some people set the toilets on fire.
The men's toilet looked okay to me on the last day.
I noticed the new station appearing on display boards today and it definitely seemed to come out of nowhere. Glad you're here to fill in the gaps
An excellent video, well done.
Your professional production, script writing and voiceover skills are excellent.
Thank you.
My grandparents have one of the properties above Pakenham East station. A section of their property was picked up but the govt. Unfortunatley it was handled rather poorly (they found out in the media)
This is the best explanation as to WHY it needed to be built where it is.
Nah its actually all due to need to bidirectional running as Vline route isn't actually all duplicated yet so trains can come in on both sides prior to Pakenham Station. You also have the times they run to just Pakenham as well, when works happens. It was just a very convenient way to build the extra infrastructure while eventually getting a return on it, as the town grows.
Thanks for uploading this Taitset! :)
When I was young my grandfather was the station master at Nar Nar Goon (East of Pakenham). I can remember the endless flashes of the trees which arched over the highway. It was WAY out into the country. And was served by steam trains. Then they wanted to electrify the line and duplicate it so they had to demolish the stationmaster's residence and that was the end for Nar Nar Goon.
It is interesting that the new station is mid way between the two. But the obvious logic is that they wanted somewhere WITHOUT the contstraints of housing. The trouble is that if you put a station where the people are NOT and BECAUSE the people are not there you have created a different future problem.
Great video, I travelled into the CBD each day in the first week of E Pakenham and there was barely 25-30 cars in the carpark each morning. Very convienient for me!
Well presented, Martin. You apparently did the Biblical thing and "prepared the way" for my visit on the same day as I was there around the 13 00 - 14 00 mark having a general snoop. It was good to catch up with you (and Alex J.) ever so briefly at Flinders Street on Saturday 1st June during the Tait train pause prior to going out to Hurstbridge. I took your hint and went to Clifton Hill on that Mernda service and got a good photo of the Tait approaching Ramsden Street crossing. Thanks for the tip. Cheers from Michael.🙂🙂🙂
When Sunbury line trains were terminating at Watergardens, the line name was still called Sydenham, even Watergardens is different from Sydenham ( moved up a little bit).
I still recalled the days calling Sydenham-Watergardens. My smaller self was wondering why both Sydenham and Watergardens popped up on the maps and announcement together.
Should call it Pakenham East! Great video.
Fascinating, thanks Martin.
Ello from the other side of the continent.
Seems to me that the Packenham Line is following the same naming conventions as Perth's Joondalup Line. Officially, it's the Yanchep Line, but everyone still calls it the Joondalup line even though its terminus is now 30km north of Joondalup.
Cool video!
You released this very quickly, well done!
Regarding the name of the line I beg to differ that we haven't been in this situation before. In 1948, the Ashburton line was extended to Alamein and renamed the Alamein line.
Good point, I knew there would be another example! Although it's still a little different, in that the new station had a name that wasn''t the suburb, rather than being South Ashburton or something.
"tie a herd of elephants to"? I thought rhinos was the official PTV comparison animal?
The elephant is broad gauge, whereas Australian rhinos are generally standard gauge.
Rhinos are for trams, trains use elephants
@@wiznendo Yeah, especially when you have short "trunk" lines ;) hehehe.
thank you for always making quality and informative videos
Thanks for the video! Noticed the extra station on the way home from the footy today and wondered when it started up!
i watched both strayatrains and yours on the new pakenham east train station and wow !!!!!! i mean i love straytrains but this vid was just so informative and i love the way you articulate your videos in such a professional manner. well done mate 👍🏽👍🏽 great work
I really like this station it’s very peaceful and it’s cool when the vline trains run express through the station also go here in the afternoon it’s lovely and the best part your the only person to get off
Good video. Answering a couple of points.
HCMT trains show E Pakenham because East Pakenham doesn't fit and would result in the front of the train simply showing "East". Comeng and Siemens trains show East Pakenham in full.
The change trains announcements aren't incorrect as they refer to destinations of services, not line names. As you said, the line is the Pakenham line.
Thanks Damo! I did think that was probably the reason for the change train announcements, I'd still say it's an inconsistency though, as for all the other lines the final terminus and line name are the same. (Not as bad as the old Sydneham/Watergardens thing mind you!)
Another excellent video. Great work Martin!
Great video; thanks mate.
Very informative, very funny/droll too. Well done.
Really nice video!😁👍
I think I was there about an hour before you - this was the day trains were running express through Melbourne Central due to a water leak and I think this was messing up the stopping patterns as they would basically be having to guess if the station would be open by the time the train got there. Explains the weirdness at 8:40 somewhat.
Your roof comment is so true for most of Network Rails last 10-15 years of architectural language. Let’s build a roof that does sweet fa in protecting passengers from the sun, rain, wind etc.
Look up Corby for the older design and Meridian Water or Brent Cross West for the new design. They suck. BCW looks architecturally cool tho.
At most new stations you don’t even get a proper roof, just a small shelter
Love watching Taitset videos on a train.
I was so confused by this but glad to get the skinny from a great creator :)
Well researched and produced with humour
Very nicely done. Your videos make the bleak concrete of the new stations much more bearable
Great video! You put tons of effort into it. Keep up the great work!
FYI some insider knowledge... Two of the signal gantries in the new East Pakenham area are re-used from near the old Pakenham Station. Taken down in the first stage when they removed the Pakenham sidings.
Ah interesting!
Fantastic video mate! I’m sure we can find somewhere for the elephants just in case. Love the Broadmeadows runaway reference. Keep up the great work.
I enjoy the phrase "creative changes" as a description of crashed through buffers :D Also the X'traps animated looked like slow little caterpillars which is hilarious
The paddocks to the north east of the station are planned for a bunch of new subdivisions and will probably be full within the next 5-10 years, hence the main focus being on the northern side of the station. I believe the small industrial estate to the south is also fairly new
10:00 Why does the internal passenger information also use E Pakenham lol. I don't think they do that to Melbourne Central with Melbourne C or whatever lol
Excellent and informative as always
great video. All I can say, is very little because I work as sub contractor. But will back in this area in next day or two. Keep up the great videos.
First time I ever traveled on this line was on June 10. I needed to get to Narre Warren station in order to pick up a click and collect from a shop at Westfield Fountain Gate. At Flinders Street Station I found out there was an overhead electrical fault that meant no trains between Dandenong and East Pakenham for the entire day, which meant bus replacements at short notice on a public holiday. Sigh...
Sad, that explains that replacement
"Architecturally Stunning Pebble Mix Buildings" ... LOL
nice one mate
I’ve always wondered why they couldn’t just build an extra set of tracks at Pakenham, and I’m glad this conveniently explains why!
In 2011, a siemens nexas train made a REALLY good job at trying to extend the dead end siding😂😂😂
The Seimens trains had their brakes issues in 2007-ish. Was this the same problem reappearing or was something else? I understood that was a software bug. Driver applies brakes, computer says "Nah, you don't need the brakes, I'll just ease them off a bit... or a lot!".
This is great. Fingers crossed they do the same for the Cranbourne line by extending it to Cranbourne East and Clyde!
In relation to the bus services coming from East Pakenham station, that is currently before PTV and the government. I can't remember when they said it would be set in place, but the bus services around Pakenham haven't changed in the 10 year I've been here.
Why on 8:56 says bus stop is ‘250metres *not actually’?
Its been a while since the last video but it was worth the wait
Any chance of a video on the port dock extension once it's completed?
It's certainly one I would like to do!
7:25 I have also noticed on some X-trapolis sets, that it displays as a "Flinders St" train instead of "Flinders Street" so thats another thing to point out that not all trains have entirety of the station name!
Are you sure? I've never seen one do that.
@@Taitset yeah i have seen it a few times
3:03 Why exactly is it no longer possible to build sets of points on a viaduct?
7:17 I think the announcements are not saying the name of the line, but rather where you can get a train to from there
It's ambiguous, given every other line shares the name with its ultimate terminus.
@Taitset I suppose so, but I'd argue that the announcements aren't talking about the lines, surely the announcements should be "change for the Pakenham line" if it was lines and not the terminus of the line. Then again, my first language isn't English.
Also, god damn you, I now want to visit Melbourne and Helsinki to Melbourne is not cheap! But in all honesty, keep up with the great work, even as a person from the other side of the world you've got me hooked on the trains of Melbourne
@jopu7004 Yeah it's still a but unclear, just from the tradition of the terminus being synonymous with the line name, and also the fact there see multiple terminating points on each line. But yes, could be argued either way. Hopefully you can make it down here one day, I'd love to visit Helsinki!
Didn't expect to see a couple of bulldogs fans as far east as Pakenham 2:55. Bloody respect.
Footsgrey housing prices have forced them out there
I was at Pakenham on Saturday when it was raining slightly throughout the day, the station did an alright job at protecting us from it, but the rain was coming in at an angle so the roof kind of did nothing.
One thing to note about the car park at East Pakenham, the little kiss and go loop they have at the end is slightly confusing as every single car I saw overshot the entrance to the car park, not realising it was the last one, then had to run around the loop to head back into the car park.
Hopefully they will get some bus routes at East Pakenham as the current ones running out of Pakenham don't run at the best frequencies and stop quite early on in the evening and barely run, if at all on a Sunday.
Almost went to those two stations the same day but decided against it due to the weather, was quite chilly as well. Got to see pakenham the day after (I swear those stairs were gonna collapse bellow me) but I’m yet to see east pakenham
You went there one day too early. I sat at the station for 3 hours on the following day watching some of the Vline test runs going through and got some nice shots of Vlines passing HCMTs terminating.
Yes I know, it was the only day I had free unfortunately!
Awesome video as always. Nice to see an overview of the new station(s) and line extension. I was there and at the regular Pakenham station on Friday of the opening week (June 7) and I think they were both quite interesting. Should be good to see them both when they're fully complete.
I'm also wondering if trains will be able to stable (lol) in the sidings here like at the end of most other lines, or if they'll have to use Pakenham East Depot instead.
Glad you enjoyed it! None of the sidings are long enough to fit a full train, so all the stabling will happen out at the depot.
@@Taitset Ok, I thought so. Thanks.
I love your videos
This is a great example. The Springfield Line is a great example of a line's final Station doesn't always make the line name.
Well damn, future proofing public transit? I didn't know it was possible for a government to do that.
I visited today, the HCMT having maps finishing at Pakenham amused me
Thankyou…beautifully explained…..new subscriber…
wow this configuration is WAY better
This would have cut my walk to the station from 19 minutes to about 3. So jealous!
The new Ridgelea estate will be going up east of East Pakenham station. It's slated to have about 3000 homes so I'd imagine the station will become pretty busy once all that is finished over the coming decade.
Liverpool (in England!) has had a similar problem with its Central station and has been debating doing something like this for years!
Of course, Liverpool is the posterchild of Managed Decline, so our railways get less than the bare minimum.
The canopies at Pakenham are quite big, they both look like a platform 3 and 4 could fit underneath them.
7:37 The QR code rickroll lol
I heard there is a very popular pub there, the Pakenham Inn.
Actually you know what would be a cool video. If you did a time line video of each train station opening video. And maybe future ones, I would love that
my dad was in charge of the HCMT train project, he took me to a depot where i got to see all these HCMT trains being built before the public had even set eyes on them. I take the glen waverley line into the city so unfortunately i don't ever get to go on them. Whats your honest opinion on the HCMT train fleet?
Loved the quick reference to the idiotic shelters at Monty. Only been there once or twice since it opened so I haven't wet weather tested it, but basic physics says that high angled shelters are a terrible idea when all people want is to not be wet.
I've been there in the rain, and can confirm the shelters are basically useless!
60km away? That seems nuts for a "commuter" line... and I thought our 42km long Gawler line was a bit much!
Great video mate, good little overview. Say, you planning a trip over to Adelaide any time soon?
Fortunately the average speed on the Pakenham line is pretty high, it only takes roughly 10 mins longer than a full trip on the Gawler line! I hoping to make it to Adelaide at some point this year.
There is the 929 bus that runs by closish Coles to the main Pakenham station, maybe they'll add or shift it to East Pakenham at some point
I always wanted a train to Pakenham Upper. ... only so you could hear the announcement.
Tait set uploaded!!!!!!
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Pakenham line is in shambles.. It needs four tracks from Dandenong to Caulfield
3 is the bare minimum. Insane there's only 2 when it's all shared by Pakenham, Cranbourne and Gippsland lines. Trains constantly need to wait behind other trains
I was always surprised that quad track didn't occur, and allow for the v/line to run express, and potentially the Pakenham to run express up to Dandenong with the Cranbourne to be a local commuter.
@@pete89111 Space is the main reason behind it. They just don't have enough space to increase the amount of lines and going underground would be basically impossible due to many different utility mains. Cranbourne and Pakenham are actually shared with short shunt trains ran when extra capacity is needed.
I suspect V/Line services will eventually terminate at Dandenong and city passengers will have to transfer to a Metro service. Inconvenient, sure, but after the Metro Tunnel comes online there will be much greater service capacity, hopefully ensuring reduced crowding especially for V/Line passengers who might have luggage.
Alternatively, through running could be retained for Bairnsdale services, as presumably those services are more likely to have passengers with large bags compared to services to and from Traralgon.
The ultimate would be to construct an eastern RRL, but can’t see that happening anytime soon.
Hallam station etc don't have roofs at all. E Pakenham will just be handy for people in nearby suburbs such as koo wee rup.
E Pakenham was used so it won’t have the scroll effect at the front of the train. Same for the side displays in the interior and exterior.
And yet Flinders Street and Southern Cross are more characters, with a similar display length. It must only not fit by a tiny amount, and surely the font size is adjustable.
The reason for the different descriptions is that the trains are either express from Caulfield to South Yarra or express from Malvern to South Yarra so they need a different description. I don't about the third one as all stop at South Yarra.
All four trains on that display are timetabled for the same pattern (express Malvern-South Yarra)
@@Taitset yes I saw that but I use the line infrequently but the one time I wanted to get off at Malvern the train was an Express from Caulfield so I changed at Caulfield to a train from Frankston.
Calling it the east Pakenham line would imply to some there was another Pakenham line. This is even a real thing in other places, for example, in Philadelphia there is a Chestnut Hill East and Chestnut Hill West line that run nearly parallel to each other but take opposite routes into the city as they were initially built by competing companies and through routing wasn't until much more recently.
It would only imply that if you used both names interchangeably.
The Broadmeadows reference at 5:57. 💀🤣
Also, how’s the Adelaide video going?
It's happening pretty slowly, I do plan to get it finished off over the next few months though!
I looked on the v line website and searched up east Pakenham and it showed it so I think they might stop there
Have a look at the timetable, and you'll see they don't stop there.
I frequent deep Creek reseve Park witch is near the pakenham east station, and train mauy thai in the industrial estate. It's good to know there is a service that runs out that way. I would have never known growing up in pakenham. In my 32 years here that we would have a pakenham East Station. I remember it was a small car park with gravel where the park is, and just paddocks. I'll say thoe. I'm not a fan of the New pakenham station. It's a massive wind tunnel at the moment, and there are no indoor sitting areas. Hopefully, it's changed.