Analyzing the videos of James Somerton and Lily Orchard | Live Reaction VOD
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- Stream Starts at 5:50 James and Lily are both disgraced RUclipsrs that have problems with media analysis and critique but in very different ways. I explore that a bit in this live video.
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Hearing Lily's "hot take" relating to Beauty and the Beast really makes me want to bang my head against the keyboard (for clarification, the film is my older sister's favorite Disney movie ever since it came out when she was three years old- she not only relates so much to Belle, but she's also had stuff based off of the film, knows the songs and dialogue by heart, and even got to meet the original voice actress of Belle, Paige O'Hara. So I'm willing to defend the movie for my older sister).
Lily calling the relationship between Belle and the Beast "abusive" is a tell that she didn't even watch the movie- Belle was able to hold her ground when Beast tried demanding her to go to dinner with her, the Beast showed sympathy when he saw her heartbroken about having taken her father out of the castle, and the Beast *not once* actually laying a hand on Belle (or his servants) and instead lashing out on inanimate objects. Someone pointed out that when the Beast was furious, Belle didn't stay around and booked it out of the castle. It was not until the Beast saved Belle from the wolves and Belle helping him back to the castle as well as helping him with his injuries that they start seeing eye to eye and form a relationship. And by the end, their mutual love is the one to help break the spell on the Beast, his servants, and his environment.
In fact, do you wanna know who would have been *VERY* abusive towards Belle had she been in a relationship with this character and Lily conveniently didn't bring up once? GASTON. For all the squawking about how Belle and Beast have an "abusive" relationship, Gaston is NEVER brought into the equation because- and the movie even makes a point of showing this- he doesn't treat Belle like a person but rather as an object that he wants, not even taking her feelings into consideration. And that's not even going into the Broadway musical adaptation, where Gaston came *very close* to physically assaulting Belle before stopping himself because it would look bad on his reputation in the village.
I was so upset when I heard Lily's take on beauty and the beast. That Disney roundup video was the first video I watched from her. That part was super depressing. And then she had to follow it up with "gay princesses!" Because only her kinds of stories are good stories I guess.
@@avivastudios2311 I think the “Gay Princess” bit was supposed to be a running joke.
@@SuperEasywalker Yeah, I know it's a joke. But it felt like it took up so much of the video. 😩
It amuses me that whenever she talks about this film as a famous example of romanticizing abuse, she never seems to mention Gaston's existence.
@@SpiderandMosquito Gaston didn't get the chance to abuse Belle but it's weird how she didn't mention how he literally harassed her.
Big part of the Hays Code that Jameson Somersault just casually glosses over:
Yeah one of the topics censored according to the Hays Code is “sexual perversion” ie homosexuality in any form, but a huge REALLY BAD ban was for “miscegenation” or interracial intimacy. Yeah. Jamesy just glosses over how the Hays Code wasn’t only hurtful towards us gays, but it’s all around conservatism and especially vicious to nonwhite communities.
EDIT: Oh wow! Even as early as 2017, James is still mistaking the public view of Jeffrey Dahmer as an evil gay and proof of our sinful nature. NO, homophobes initially LOVED Dahmer because they saw him as a killer of gay men! It took a while for the public to know that Dahmer was himself gay
Classic Homophobia: Yay he's killing gay people! Oh, he's gay? Ew, we're keeping the medal.
Fuckin ridiculous
completely unrelated but jameson somersault is a hilarious parody to his name xD
1:13:16 Why did she say "30 year old" like it was an insult when she herself is around 30?
Also Scafrillas isn't a disney adult. Unless your definition of Disney adult is "has opinions on Disney and occasionally talks about them".
true, like SHE isn’t the prime example of a 30-year-old disney nut?? or maybe this is a rare example of lily being able to laugh at herself but it’s so fuckin hard to tell.
Is it wrong for an adult to enjoy Disney films or am I just not understanding something?
@@timrosswood4259 No, it's perfectly okay to, but Disney adults are very obsessive about Disney, going to ludicrous lengths to basically make their life be Disney themed.
That's why Disney wedding dresses and wedding rings exist
Lars and Sadie’s age from STEVEN UNIVERSE are very ambiguous and debatable within the show and fandom, but so far they are teenagers in the OG and adults in the Movie and Future. So Lily is making a baseless claim just to make STEVEN UNIVERSE worse by comparison.
The ZIM and Dib ship, she mentioned in her video, her problem specifically is that ZIM 16 Irk years old which is about 126 or 159 Earth years old basically the same concept as “Dog Years”.
Also Lily hating the Rose Quartz and Pearl ship because Master/Servant(Slave) dynamic while her fan fiction “Sith Resurgence” involves a romance between Rey, a slave, and her Black Female Sith OC, who is a daughter of slave trader. 🤨
Her Sith oc: "it's free real estate."
"We need to go see the bad gay movies that whitewash actual history and pander to what will make money because then they'll make the actual *good* gay movies!"
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard and it's no wonder this man needed to plagiarize all his other ideas and talking points.
Right?
Blaxploitation started because black people started making their own movies, showing them in theaters they owned, and surprise, there was money! Shocker.
You'd think a marketing major would understand demographics, untapped markets, etc. but instead it's like "Lick the boot and maybe you can wear it!"
I guess his point was that bad representation is better than no representation because it leads to better rep.
@@avivastudios2311 I get that, but it's still not a very good point because he refuses to acknowledge the queer indie film scene where your support for authentic queer movies should probably really go in comparison to shlock like Stonewall.
If these two taught me anything, it’s to value thinking for myself and forming my own opinion.
(& not have my takes on culture feel like hidden advertisements for my own work.)
I swear that James always looks like he's about to start crying or just finished. It's hard to tell and it makes me feel weird watching him.
this is just what living in Nova Scotia does to gays.
@@thecrimsonender
I didn’t know that happens. Good to know.
To me he sounds like that “gay friend” stereotype with added snobbish judgement.
Is it wrong that I think that?
He came off as oddly pick me? Just to other LGBT people like he was trying to build himself up as the true gay know it all.
@@daelen.cclarknope your spot on, the hipster “umm actually gay”
I dislike the "relatable" argument. I'm a Male human, and I was able to in some way relate to 6 female horses. Know why? A thing called personality. I'm able to relate more to Superman than I am to Batman. So James Summerton is an idiot.
Same. Superman's struggles are more related to the struggles of being human. The interesting bits of Superman isn't when he's using his mighty powers to vanquish evil, it's when he's struggling with his own humanity, and his own significance, and trying to do the right thing.
Batman is relatable because he's a basement dwelling furry with depression and a sleeping disorder.
@@thecrimsonender exactly, plus unlike Batman in my case, I don't brood and think about one bad day, which is intentional phrasing on my part, all the time, instead I put a smile on my face and hope that it's a good day. I always wanted to read the Comic Books and I don't claim to have read a lot which was because I was unaware of where I'd be able to get some but the way I see it, 99% of people like me look at the Batman/Superman thing completely wrong because of their lack of knowledge. A favorite fact of mine is the Henry Cavil Experiment which is what I call when he proved that Superman's disguise is able to work.
You could show Lily Blue’s Clues and she’d misinterpret it.
51:37 i-is that lily Orchard's Sona in bed with her starwars oc?
Idk how to feel about that is it incest?
not incest for once. but it's kind of an exception.
@@thecrimsonender lily made a new video and she mentioned baldurs gate 2 and it took so much restraint to not post a comment saying she installed a incest mod for that game with the main characters sister.
Lily Orchard misses the point of another piece of media. I saw the princess and the frog, and one of the things it's about is how you should not let seeking what you want blind you to what you need.
@@zeogold I think we need to show 'em that Disney classic where the villain is a narcissistic incest-obsessed autogynephile who uses everyone he can manipulate for sexual and ego gratification, but eventually gets his comeuppance. Which one is that, Pinocchio? Oh, and uses a tumblr sock account to ask questions he can use to strawman any and all dissent.
Honestly stunned to listen to lily spout the exact same opinions almost word for word that my ex friends held. Makes me wonder if they were following her or smth. Thank god im not surrounded by people like her anymore that mindset is absolutely exhausting for everyone involved 😮💨
If according to Lily an adaptation of Princess and the Frog doesn't need a villain then the Simsalla Grimm adaptation of this story which gives the witch that cast the spell a far more prominent role in regards of being a threat to the protagonist must be terrible as well. Lol.
2:21:34 I'm also ace, but I feel like Lily does that to show off how she's "so much better" than whatever it is she's talking about. She's inserted art of her characters when talking about points in videos before, that I can't help but think that's the case.
2:47:03 Really Lily?
Hope you're prepared.
53:30 I think people thought Home on the Range was obnoxious and/or badly written back then.. I thinkit was pretty good & cute too the last time I got to see it, but I remember people didn't like it and said it was a failure 🤔😔
I don't like how the shipping video has the music from the tavern in Halfhill in Pandaria. Maybe if this was a Warcraft video.
Also, I don’t care about Harry Potter, but I find it funny she didn’t mention Ron and Ginny. The fanfic pairing that got Cassandra Claire her fame with the mortal instruments books.
I feel so uncomfortable of Lily’s video on the Princess and the Frog.
54:34 wait hold on i thought that prince of egypt was marketed as a christian movie? i remember the church my grandparents made me go to always blabbered about how they saw this advert of a mom saying its the favorite film of the household and the little girl grabbing it to watch being the best for a christian family. the more hardcore members wouldnt let the kids watch anything but that or veggie tales. or
I mean are you surprised that Christians appropriated a Jewish story? that's kind of their whole deal.
Volume is way too low, can't hear anything in the videos you're watching.
dammit thought I took care of that. I'll make sure it's fixed next time.
I watched this video in the middle of the night without realizing i had it on full volume and when i switched videos it hit me like a truck 😭
Uh.... the story of Moses is VERY MUCH in the Bible. I... don't understand how you don't know that? Like, I don't expect people to be able to recite this story, but I would expect most in the Western world to know that the story of Moses is IN the Bible. It's one of the most well known parts of the Old Testament, specifically The Book of Exodus. This story is part of the Torah too because the Old Testament and the Torah have a lot in common, but it's definitely a Christian story as well. Calling it a "Bible Movie" is..... probably the least crazy thing she's said because a lot of people would recognize it from the Bible and refer to it as such. (And she definitely meant that as an insult the way she said it.)
Sorry, I was just caught off guard by this.
yeah I know my dude. I was raised a fundamentalist Christian, went to Bible camp, and was even looking into mission programs before I deconstructed and eventually became an atheist.
But the creators of Prince of Egypt were Jewish and it was written from a Jewish perspective not a Christian one. The Exodus of Egypt is a *Jewish story* that was then made a part of the Bible's first testament. If this was a movie written and created by Christians I would call it a Bible story. But it's not. It was made by (and stars) Jewish people.
@@thecrimsonenderJews also call their book the bible. Like, it's also called the Tanakh, but your average english speaking jewish person would refer to "The Old Testament" as "The Bible".
@@arempy5836 Nah, the Torah is what you're looking for in this instance. Although a general audience would know this as a "bible story." Otherwise it's just pedantic. @thecrimsonender is right that it was "made by" Jewish people, as DreamWorks was founded by Spielberg, Katzenberg, and David Geffen (all of the tribe) _to_ make TKOE, like, specifically. I doubt everyone involved had Israeli citizenship, especially if they outsourced their animation to Seoul. But the cast list seems to be all gentiles, save Jeff "The Fly" Goldblum, AFAIK. I even turned on my Coincidence Detector plugin before loading its IMDb page to make sure, LOL.
@@pickles3128The Torah is included within the Tanakh. Again, my point is that it's not weird to call Prince of Egypt a "bible story" and it being created by jewish people doesn't change that because jews would also call it a bible story.
And you can cool it with the dog whistles.
@@arempy5836 Uh, yeah I mostly agreed with you, sorry if I came off as hostile. I mostly couldn't come up with synonym for Jewish and hate when I reuse the same adjective so often, didn't think tribal or non-gentile came off pejoratively. It's the writer in me, ha ha. Without delving too much into politics, I thought my opinion would be more... How do you say, accepted? With the whole International Criminal Court's arrest warrant for the Israeli PM.
I hate the term “video essay”, it just sounds very pretentious
The word essay is pretentious now? Is it cause it's all academic? Eh. I guess another word for it would be commentary.
Just stop thinking it's pretentious