How I Got More Power From My Chainsaw! - 1 of 2 - #3
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- Although I love my little MS211, who isn't looking for a little more power, right? Lugging my big saw all day wears me out and hurts the back. I rely on my little saw for limbing trees, felling small ones, and bucking all but the biggest logs. It's usually my goto saw.
A muffler mod is one of the best ways to improve the performance of your chainsaw. This video shows how I performed the mod on my Stihl MS211 and made it cut 20-25% faster.
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What make and model chainsaw do you have? Have you modified it in any way?
What Would Jared Do ms362 cm.... with the psy-ko treatment ... by hotsaws101 .... you should check out his channel... that’s his RUclips name as well.... a brand new ms461r .. (haven’t decided what to do with that)..... husky 455 rancher stock... and a McCulloch promac 610 stock...
On my bigger saws above 42cc change up the exhaust port timing (making it a bit longer) and open up the edges to create more flow.
@@stilltlrforlife Great way to create hot spots, internal, piston is first to get it, correct? I would have gone with a 5% nitro to the fuel. sell it and up size, gee i am trying to shut up
@@peterbrigham6183 adding the nitro content will lower the combustion temp, then needing a timing adjustment, I have been modding nitro engines for quite a while as well. Never had a hot spot or heat checking from that, with more flow the temps go down if done correctly. The RUclipsr here has obviously done his research and knows what he is doing since going after exaust mods it the most effective, easiest, and fastest way to have more gains without sacrificing power on the opposing powerbands.
@@stilltlrforlife Sorry, I am only sixty-eight, a motorhead, mod to motocross cycles at fourteen yrs. old. I step down still a study
I always wondered about the way to remove the muffler, the caps are confusing. Thanks for the tip.
Alan Porter it took me a while to figure it out too. Glad it helped!
It doesn’t shorten the life of the motor! Yes a sharp chain is wise! You have to keep it clean!
Motors are electric its called a engine !
@@scor440 so on a British motorway, only electric cars are allowed??? 🤣🤣🤣
@@scor440 Motors can be hydraulic as well
I did a similar mod to my MS391 with the louvers pointed down like shown in this video... BAD PIZZA... Ran GREAT but, after one tank of gas through it, the hot exhaust pointing down has nowhere to go when you are fully in log except down on the plastic oil tank at the bottom of the muffler. It started melting the plastic of the tank just below the muffler. So I reversed the louvers so they blow the exhaust up. I was worried this would put exhaust in my face but I haven't noticed any fumes or heat getting to me. DON"T point the louvers so the exhaust is blowing down. If you did, check the plastic below it and make sure it isn't damaged.
I still am a firm beleiver in muffler mods, they give you more power and actually let the engine run cooler. Just be careful where you point the hot exhaust gases. And for sure re-tune your carb as soon as you do the mm. Both my saws I did mods to had limiters on the high jet screw that had to come off. Each of mine took at least half a turn out on the jet to tune it after the mod.
So turn each one half turn out on the 391
Did mm to 441c slot all the across the front and also luver down .. had to add bigger dawgs to keep muff from starting fire too close and open hole straight thru.. tricky.. but power increases rev smooooooth
Nice!!!
My non-modified MS211 cuts through most anything wood like a champ👍 My non-modified MS441 Magnum, with a full comp chain, cuts through anything(period) like a boss💪!
Mike Penske
Don’t you love the 211? I use mine more than my big saws. I love the high revs and low weight. You should run one that’s modified. If you’re ever in Ohio you’re welcome to run mine.
a 211 is better than a hand saw but 35cc is not much of a saw if you cut anything bigger than a pop can. 562xp husky is my small saw and a 390 husky is my big saw granted i cut more than than most but would never own a home owner style saw no matter how much i cut. pay the extra money for a pro model as the are way superior and worth the money.
Wayne Johnson
I think you’re severely underestimating the 211. I use it as my go to saw for 90+% of the cutting. I only reach for the larger saws if needed.
I bucked over 130 trees in a couple months with that saw. A lot of them were fell with that too, but not all because some of them were already down. It’s very impressive for the size and weight, regardless of being a “non pro” saw.
@@JaredsShop i have a ms 260 i got from my dad not a bad saw but no where in the same category as my 562x which of course is bigger by 9 cc but going the the pro model the horse power is so much more. not knocking stihl at all i just do not have a dealer close. in smaller wood there is not a lot of difference in bigger saws and smaller but i do 100 full cord a year and im cutting lot of 20 inch plus trees which are standing dead or storm damaged once you get over 12 inch the difference between 35cc and 60 is huge. same as once you are over 16 inch the difference in my saws is quite obvious, for example in a 24 inch oak its at least 25 seconds a cut. i have compared the 260 to my big saw and it would be 3 to 1 in a 24 inch. pro saws have better components and are ported more to get more power from the same size motor. so what you are doing by muffler mod is giving it more power also and you seem to enjoy doing it so thats what matters most. i am not mechanically gifted so i leave things be or i wreck things.
Wayne Johnson
For me it’s kind of the same thing. I have no husky dealers near me (not real ones anyway), but have no less than 3 Stihl within 10 miles and several more within 20 miles. My favorite dealer, who offers me the best support on all products, sells Stihl, Kubota, Woods, etc. I couldn’t see myself going anywhere else just because of their service. If they stopped selling Stihl and started selling Husqvarna you’d see me running Huskies. As much as I love my Stihl products (raised on them), I love my dealer the more.
There’s no doubt jumping from 35 to 60 is going to be a massive increase. I’m honestly just very surprised at this little saw, especially compared to other saws even slightly larger. I’d say it easily out-cut a 250 and 271 I used. It’s no match for the 036, 391, or the 461, but I can use this all day without hurting my back. My woods does not have a lot of large trees so getting anything over 20” is rare. When I’m bucking a bunch of 12” trees I find this much easier to run. I’m sure it takes me a bit longer but I’m not sure how much. If I’m cutting some 18s or 20s, I’m using one of bigger saws. I agree, there’s a big difference in cut speed on those.
I have a real hard time leaving ANYTHING alone. When I look at something I want to improve it. It’s built into me. My wife says she won’t even help me on a project until I’m on my third iteration. She know I’ll go back after something several times because I can’t help but see how I could’ve done something better. I can’t leave it alone, even if it looks perfect to everyone else, because all I see is what it could/should be.
Have a great day!!
It wouldn't hurt to use PTFE on the bar and chain to reduce friction and extend the life of both, less strain on the motor too. I put a little PTFE powder in my bar oil, it doesn't take much.
That’s a nice option. Thanks for the idea.
I did this to my car it now does 400 mph on pump gas 😁
Rob Aguilar
If you put a Jeg’s sticker on it you’ll get at least another 100mph. 😄
slap a 4x4 sticker on there n you can go anywhere
Use aviation gasoline and your car will fly. No more plane tickets.
Dont forget about adding an electric turbo whistle so it sounds like its charged
@@exoticcreature3059 just like peter!!
I realize this is an old video which is great because this allowed time to know how it's running today,, would appreciate a update, thanks
E.H. Lipton
I don’t regret it one bit. I’m still VERY happy with how it runs after this mod. I know several loggers and arborists that do this to all of their saws. It’s definitely worth it.
Good job, Jared!
Thanks!!
It's amazing that 10 minutes with a Dremel tool will correct years of two-stroke engine development with dynos, flow meters, and a million other means of analysis. The fact is that measured exhaust restriction raises the real compression ratio and yields better performance than a straight pipe.
Paul Slevinsky
10 minutes with a dremel and time spent tuning the carb will free up a choked down engine. It runs a lot better. This is FAR from a straight pipe.
@@JaredsShop I'm modifying a little two stroke right now. For the life of me I can't understand why the highly competitive and performance oriented chainsaw market would unanimously repeat the same simple mistake of over-restrictive exhaust. That builds heat and potentially shortens engine life. When I was young I punched out the baffles in my Triumph Bonneville to make it "sound" faster. You need to validate your gains with some quantifiable test. Then post it.
Paul Slevinsky
I already have. I certainly didn’t coin this mod. Tons of competition people do similar mods or buy modded exhaust. Majority of arborists and loggers do this to increase performance of their saws. It’s a proven improvement.
@@JaredsShop Haha...reminds me of a time I went to a large industry trade-show where a small company was doing something different than everybody else. I looked at it and realized that they were doing it smart and everybody else (including my company) was doing it bass ackwards.
I can't imagine anybody modifying a factory engine to get more power out of it. What a loon. 🤣🤣🤣
adding louvers is adding holes ... they are slits that are hooded versus round holes. What do you think is the difference?
Doug H. in VA
Both will accomplish the same thing as far as performance is concerned. The louvers just allow me to control the exhaust direction instead of coming straight out a hole.
If you advance the timing just a couple degrees your gains will be impressive as well as a little port and polish job on intake and exhaust.
houseoffire72
I’ve heard that. I know there’s a well known guy here in Ohio that does it. Not sure it’s worth sending the 211 out. If I get a 200T I’ll be sending it out.
@@JaredsShop I built race quads by favorite motor is the Yamaha Blaster 195cc 2 stroke. Pretty easy to gain serious hp on almost any 2 stroke. With such a small bore and stroke heres what I would do... Shave the head a few thousands, run a high compression gasket, stage 4 port n polish as well as advance the timing maybe 2-4 degrees max, build a custom fatty pipe tuned for torque, build a custom reed cage & spacer to actually run a set of torque reeds with a 26mm flat slide carb... Lol that little sucker will twist 10k all day everyday hahaha. Run klotz r50 with a minimum of 95-97octane or mix race fuel with premium pump gas to stop pre det... Let me know it goes. Might cost ya a grand😀 oh almost forgot file those raker teeth down at least 1/8th inch.... Hold.on tight and no plung cuts..😀😀😀
houseoffire72
Freaking hilarious. You do have me thinking though. I see some smaller Stihl saws on the marketplace for sale pretty reasonable. Maybe I’ll pick one up and play with it a bit more. One reason I love this little saw is it revs at 13k-13.5k all day. It is a screamer.
@@JaredsShop See now your thinking haha haha😀 13.5 is twisting & with a small bore and stroke I bet you could get a dependable 15k out of it. Smooth out all casting marks on the rod tho and balance it. Keep us posted please.
houseoffire72
If you knew me at all you’d know it’s not a good idea to put those thoughts in my head. I may just end up doing it. I’m known to go overboard sometimes.
Two-stroke engines use scavenging to make power and are tuned by the exhaust system. Dirt bikes use expansion chamber exhaust systems for maximum power and are either turned for torque or horsepower. Considering chainsaws are direct drive you want torque over high rpms.
Keith Lucas
Agreed on the scavenging.
Anything you can do to improve torque will help. I don’t recommend taking the saw past stock RPMs unless you have the internals built. I did gain torque with this mod, all the way through the band, and it is adjusted to stay below the stock RPMs.
Scavenging takes equal length headers I thought, I dont see how thats happening in a small box
Jake Johnston equal length headers only apply to engines with more than one cylinder
What would Jared do.... so many nutsacks hating on you for tryin to help people out lol. Cool video if you ask me. Be safe with those little dremel wheels. They can fuck you up if they ever blow up. I use a welding hood when I use em.
Thanks bud.
Yeah, any cutting and grinding wheel gets nasty if they explode. I should get into a habit of wearing a face shield.
Thanks man only vid on how to get those press in covers off
phantom leafblowing
Thanks. They look complicated but really aren’t. 😁
Your Handle alone is worthy of a 👍. It's worth it.
Great work. Gonna have to do this.
Good ,I learned something today,
Jonathan Benoit
Thanks!!
It looks like you are replacing the muffler Bearing
Rodney Johnston
Gotta make sure the muffler bearings are replaced on a regular interval!
Better check the catalytic converter fluid as well
I use to bust that one out alot until I was working on my KTM and found it it actually has muffler bearings listed as a part ! They are part of the power valve which changes the exhaust port height on the 2 strokes. So yeah, muffler bearing actually exisit.
@@JaredsShop If you can find chrome plated they last a good deal longer.
Thank You! I could not figure out how to get those off.
Joseph McCue
You’re welcome! They look so tricky don’t they? Took me a little while also.
@@JaredsShop It was great they popped right off, but the Muffler is not the problem. On to the next thing now. still Bogging down.
remember to use ear protection now.
WUT??
Thanks for a great ASMR
Superb . Thank you 👍
Thanks for the feedback!!
I have several 361s, does the muffler mod increase the noise too much? i dont really enjoying calling up the attention of my neighbors
I don’t think it’s too bad. I didn’t measure the decibel change but wish I would have. I would say it did probably increase some but I would doubt it is even as much as 10% louder.
@@JaredsShop thanks! What about making the louvers and filling the inside of the muffler with steel wool or such? That's something I would like to test out on mine
@@BadAssEngineering
Never gave any thought to that. Give it a shot and see if it works. Seems like a reasonable idea.
I've muffler modded every one of my 15 stihl saws. Wouldn't run one without doing it. No spark arrestor either. I always break em in like 10 tanks before any mod tho.
Jason Hawkins
That’s a good point. Just like its better for any engine to get broken in before any upgrades, you should do the same for your saws. My saws were a few years old and definitely broken in.
Thanks!!
You can't cut in the national forest without a spark arrestor, which makes a saw without one almost worthless to me
Did the muf mod on my Stihl 039. Really woke it up.
Andy Lee
Glad to hear it worked for you as well. I did my MS391 and it woke up also. I’m really glad I did it on both of them.
@What Would Jared Do ~
in the Description You say we should watch "part 2"...
*Why don't you paste a link to "Part 2" in the description too??*
*RUclips's search doesn't show it...*
M G
I will do that. Thanks. It used to have a card that showed up but maybe it got deleted.
I see that new stihl 3 in 1 tool there i bet that does a nice job. Been thinking about getting one how do you like it?
They make it quick and easy to keep a sharp chain👍
What 'special' tool do I need for the limiter caps? I have the MS 391, finding content to mod that saw is hard to come by. Thank you.
You can use a screw, such as a drywall screw. Grind off the point a bit otherwise it will stick through the cap before the threads dig in. You want the threads without the sharp point.
Stihl also makes a cap puller.
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@@JaredsShop Awesome! Thank you for the response. I'll check it out.
I have the same saw and Im doing the same research. Glad I saw this comment
Could've just used Loctite on those bolts so they didn't come loose. Loctite 2stroke owners best friend.
Greg Copper
I tried red and blue Loctite but they both came loose because of the heat. I need to get me a bottle of high temp Loctite.
What Would Jared Do it holds my Honda CR250R Exhaust together. I Definitely only use High Temp. Great video 👍🏻 keep up the good Work!
Greg Copper
Thanks!!
I’ll definitely get me a bottle. I plan on modding the mufflers on some of my other equipment this spring.
@@willc44 Dirt bike and chainsaw are two different animals...
@@mikeznel6048 No kidding thanks captain obvious but if the red Loctite will hold up a motorcycle it will definitely hold up the small engine of a chainsaw their are now you’re educated on my comment
I tried walking into a saw shop to ask to get my echo timberwolf modded but they said they can't?
A lot of places won’t. You may have to find someone who specializes in performance or tackle it yourself.
@@JaredsShop I really plan on making my echo more powerful some how. I'm usually the joke of the crew when I show up with the echo. "It's not the saw, its the Sawyer." And I make it look like Texas chainsaw went through the forest.... In a good artistic way.
@@jimbojohnny8247
See if there are any good saw mod guys around you. There are a lot of guys that port and can change timing.
In the states in which I have lived for the last 20 years that renders your saw illegal to use on any state or public ground to cut firewood
Michael Shank
I only cut on private property and 99% of the time it’s mine.
What makes it illegal? Removing spark arrestor screen?
Mine already has an exhaust that has open slots in it, and isn't an adjustable carb to my knowledge. It's a 10 on emissions scale, so does it even need the mod? Or is this model not available in California and therefore is better from the factory? It's from a dealer in PA.
Crosby the Cuck
What model saw do you have?
My saw isn’t from California. I’d be surprised if your carb wasn’t adjustable at all.
Wahoo nice tip 👍🏼👍🏼
Nice
Thanks!
Would it be safe to assume it would work on my husqvarna
I assume it's the same principle
Eric Hancock
Yes. Same principle for all brands.
IS it a lot louder?
Brian Martin
I haven’t noticed much increase in noise. I’m sure it is a little louder but with my ear muffs on I don’t notice anything.
Are you wearing two fitbits?
Albert Tresslevic
Good observation! One of them is a Garmin Vivofit, which I like. The other one is one that work gives us. We can earn points and turn them in for gift cards. I don’t care for it but wear it for the points. Things have changed since then and we can use any wearable we want.
I caught a tree on fire with this exact mod and chainsaw. Good thing the homeowner was gonna burn it where it fell lol. Good times
Derek Miller
👍 Must have been pretty dry.
hi there interesting john
yo also got to tighten the bolts more after your warm the saw up and then they’ll stay tight
I did but could never get them to hold. The knurls on the back of the head were wore off. The. new bolts had no problem holding.
the chansaw is cool
Thanks!
When I took my muffler off my Ms181 chainsaw I expected to see a spark arrestor but there wasn't one. I assume there wasn't there in the first place as never had it off before
That is somewhat surprising but if you haven’t removed it yet and it was new to you, it must not have. Is there a chance it is internal on your saw? Does your muffler come apart?
@@JaredsShop it does seem strange and the only people who have worked on my saw are the repair shop but don't look like they have taken off the muffler at all.
The muffler looks like the standard one like the one in the video
@@mattseymour8637
Hmmm. I don’t have an answer. It’s odd.
@@JaredsShop don't worry It must have not been made with one or maybe they took it out at the repair shop and forgot to put it back in.
It saved me cleaning it and it blocking up without one though
@@JaredsShop just found out online that some ms181 mufflers were made with them and some without. Probably for a British Market I should think
Would it help to put a better performing air filter on it also?
110% America Loving PATRIOT
That’s a good question. Does someone make a better filter?
Wouldn’t that eliminate all the back pressure needed for two strokes.
Lucas Lounsbury
No. It’s not that open. It just lets it breathe a little more without being too restricted.
Mine has 3 holes?
Three round holes? With no screen or anything? What model saw?
@@JaredsShop makita 5800.
@@spitfirelast8761
You should be able to do the same thing.
@Jared's Shop thanks for answering ma question, I appreciate you and your channel.
@@spitfirelast8761
You’re welcome! Thank you for the feedback.
You just eliminated the spark arrester feature of the muffler. Better hope you're not the one to start a wild fire.
Where I cut it is always wet and I’m always in the area for a while when I’m done cutting.
Lol....Tom the twit
It's called a baffle. That's how mufflers work. Oh my.
it will work in husq 135 mk 2 to?
Yes
If i took a dirtbike muffler would it be the same?
Just curious
Joni Tammela
If you did the same mod to a dirt bike? Is the dirt bike a 2 stroke?
I wonder if k&n make a filter that would fit
I’m not sure. I’ve never looked. The filter have to stop a lot of dust and crap. I’m not sure I’d want anything other than a good quality OEM filter.
Red Loctite
Jonathan-Emily Powell
I did try red Loctite but the high heat of the exhaust loosens it. You have to go with Loctite 272.
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Spark arrestor ? How is?
Popa Alexandru
You can attach a screen to the front of the port as a spark arrestor. I only cut on my own property, which is always wet and I always watch it.
show the sound??
Stihl MS211 - Stock Muffler vs Muffler Mod
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A little thing that measures RPM is called a tachometer
Yep
I meant when you shoot the Bug-a-salt . LOL
Ogre Towman
Gotcha!!
my husky 460 seams like it's got good power I put the 24" bar on it and it cuts like a banchee
Anak Warser
Nice!
What Would Jared Do actually I might just put a extra holes in it any way just like your luvers. my husky leaf blower is definitely getting this treatment I've already replaced the muffler twice on that thing they like to break off so I have 3 brand new ones waiting I'm going to give it a shot.
Anak Warser
If you have a spare, why not?! Report back after you do. I’d like to hear what kind of results you get.
What Would Jared Do definitely will I'm waiting on the last leaves to fall. it's about time. I'm going to try it out hopefully this weekend.
I'm considering getting the 460, with the 24 inch bar as well. Overall, how do you like it?
Speaking of fire danger I lived in A Place Called Paradise California.
18000 structures 100% destroyed it's like 14600 something home 100% destroyed. 88 confirmed death 64 still missing.
If the humidity is low it doesn't take much weed eater mowing chainsaws
Just watch the humidity and the Wind under 30% is getting risky depending on how dry it has been used common sense always keep a couple 5 gallon buckets of water around they will save your ass stopping the grass will not put it out when the humidity is low
This fire is somewhere between 9 and 15 billion dollars they call it the campfire not because it was started by a campfire because it started by Camp Creek
Most of the damage was done in the first 12 hours of the fire 90000 acres in 12 hours
Learning to keep your razor sharp at all times will make any saw cut better than a brand new chain.
If you run your chain dull it will never cut right again no matter how you sharpen it it where's the tooth on the bar side.
Slow your chain speed down two bumps on branches and when you're cutting bark bark has all the dirt in it never cut bark or suck it into your cut when your cutting.
Put the saw on the log with the chain stopped then jog the chain stop go stop go then every cut will be debarked your chain will stay sharp 20 times longer.
Never ever run a dry chain not even for one tiny cut sometimes you have to mix a little diesel in with your bar oil to break the glaze on the chain depending on what kind of wood you cutting.
Sharpening your saw is an art but you can do it.
Everybody look straight down top of the chain .
Forget about that part look at the side of your chain that's important part turn this on the side if you have to look at it.
I know most of you round file but you want to get it approximately 90 degrees all the way from the top to the bottom of the edge that sticks out.
Remember if you run a dull chain even for one cut the chain will never ever cut right no matter how you sharpen it.
If you don't mess up your chain you won't ever have to do your rakers.
Now that you got a little concept you will be able to use your own skills make that sell work much better and easier for you.
Remember slow your chain speed down when you get anything that possibly can dull it.
Like cutting through a lot and hitting the dirt it's not hitting the dirt that dulls it it's your chain speed if you only move your chain 6 inch at a time and hit the ground what does it do nothing.
Be safe and think of other safety to enjoy the woods it's nothing like it
Pat Denney
So sorry to hear that! You are correct, there’s nothing like being in the woods.
I LOVE my Stihl 2 in 1 sharpener. It makes sharpening very easy and accurate. Pferd also makes them.
I disagree with not having to do rakers. The teeth are angled a bit and as they get sharpened the get shorter. You have to do the rakers so you get the same depth of cut.
Pat Denney that fire had nothing to do with a chain saw
I'm all about a Mac and sthill saws are over priced and over rated. My personal opinion, and we all know what that's worth. But when it comes to sharpening I've come across some gnarly abused chains. And if there's any tooth left they can cut like new again. When filing get the gullet and always file the rakers!!!!
I'm sorry and I feel for you poor folks. Especially when I know wildfires were all intentionally started from satellites and microwave/laser technology from above. I pray that these evil maggots finally get what's coming to them. And God bless you brother!
what does that fire have to do with modifying a chainsaw to get the max out of an investment I have logged and harvested trees and have my own tree triming and removal company in missouri for 12 years and have also raced 4 wheelers in hairscrambles since I was a child and always have removed what they call a spark resistor or whatever its a stupid design from stupid laws from stupud people who want to blame everything on anything they can and all it does is jack prices up and make things lifetime decrease. all those things do is clog your exhaust which brings the performance down. now I feel for the families who lost someone cause they can never be brought back, but everything else can be replaced thats why there is insurance that a smart person would keep on any investment of there's. there is a million ways the fires could of started from a group of hippies camping getting to stoned and forgetting to put there camp fire out to the most common and natural way a lightning strike its natures way of cleaning itself of the garbage and making room for new life! so instead of going into a big pour me finger pointing rant and making a comment on something that has nothing to do with or that you could never prove that it's ever even caused anything like that maybe you all should move to a better place because I hate to break the news to you nature has its way of doing things and won't stop because we want it to, your state makes all these stupid fucking laws and you guys still have fires every year droughts every year deaths and destruction every year and none of it is because we modify our chainsaws! Go make some more laws to restrict your freedom and see if it stops anymore bullshit your god forsaken state goals through on devistating levels every year, for Christ sake one day sooner or later yawl will learn maybe the land just don't want you fucks occupying it anymore and you'll leave either by choice or death you will stick around and have to deal with the same shit thats happened there for hundreds of years prolly alot more than that.
Dear California the reason you have forest fires that are so bad and devastating is because you're hugging the trees that have fallen over and died and not participating in Land Management it's your own damn fault
Here's another easy mod for some crazy fast cutting . Increase the size of your driver sprocket , the closer you get to the diameter of the end of your bar the faster the chain will run ! Word to the wise ALWAYS use a tach when tuning your saw and a little extra mix oil might just save a piston ! Get yourself a BUG-A-SALT for those pesky flies , it's a pump action gun that shoots salt and pretty effectively but be sure to wear safety glasses !
ogretowman
Thanks! I did use a tach to tune the carb. Super handy little device.
I keep saying I’m gonna buy a Bug-a-salt but just haven’t yet.
I did wear safety glasses. They are hard to see but there are a few frames where you can see the arm on the side of my head. They’re just close fitting and crystal clear.
So if I should do this to my ms44 ,already have all the power I want tho
Jacob Lang
If you’re happy with it and it has all the power you need, don’t do it. If you’d like a little bit more power without buying a bigger and heavier saw, it’s a worthy upgrade.
@@JaredsShop trying to make that one lighter, not a good brush saw at all ,good for dropping trees tho
Jacob Lang
That’s why I have 2 saws. I’d love a 461 or 661, but right now my biggest is a MS391. I use the 211 for just about everything but felling.
@@JaredsShop I got a echo 4400 that's pretty old I use for my brush ,just bought the ms 44 last fall
Jacob Lang
Not familiar with the echo but the 44 is a heck of a saw.
Fuk n A crank that sucker up bro
Gregory Sanford
: ) It runs a lot better. Pretty good for a little saw.
Can i do this on the cordless saw ?
Just 2 cycle engines.
@@JaredsShop
it was a joke haha. Theres no exhaust on cordless saw haha
@@i1bike
You would be surprised the types of questions I’m asked. I try to respond to people without belittling them and making them feel stupid. I was hoping it was a joke but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone asked me that for real. 😂
@@JaredsShop
You could also add in your videos, that it is actually better to avoid .325 chains altogether. And actually use picco super 3 full chiesel 3/8 1.3 chain on all saws up to 3kw/4hp. And to use standard 3/8 chain on all saws with more than 3kw/4hp. Both of them are faster and better than .325, thats reality. I cant believe what am saying but i recently bought makita 36v 35cm cordless saw just as a toy, that completely changed my opinion on 3/8 picco. After that, i went crazy and bought sthil's super picco 3. Man, i was always mocking people that used it, but after 2 weeks of playing with that "toy", i am honestly speechless. Chains that are .325, are officially history for me. Im saying this, because correct chain will make big difference with power and cutting speed. Super picco 3 full chiesel, mark my words m8, and try it
@@i1bike
My MS211 uses a 3/8” pico. I’ll buy one for my MS391 and see how it works. Thanks!
I’m a Milwaukee guy and have the M18 Fuel chainsaw. Super impressive! If I’m running to the woods with the tractor I’ll take that along to cut any fallen trees off the paths. I don’t use it if I’m going to cut wood all day but I probably could.
Why not just take muffler off
You still need some back pressure and this helps prevent it from being too loud. Also, with no muffler, the engine can suck cold air back in which is bad for thermal cycling. This still allows it to cool normally.
@@JaredsShop don't they compress cold air and inject into engine?
@@darrenegginton9842
The muffler?
Nobody else notices the 2 watches, fit bits or whatever they are....
This was back when I gained “points” at work for wearing the pedometer on my wrist. The other was a Fitbit. Unfortunately, it didn’t didn’t sync with the work program at the time.
It would be possible to increase the air intake of the chainsaw so that it gains power?
Andre Rossi
Quite possibly. I can’t say if mine is starving for air, but I don’t think it is.
@@JaredsShop more than possibly, definitely. They are just your typical 2 stroke engines so port them and get a less restrictive air cleaner.
John Pike
I’m going to play with porting and polishing one of mine in the future.
@@JaredsShop this video has me thinking about playing with the ports on my poulan also.... It's impossible to replace the jug if I mess it up though so I probably won't get too involved in it.
John Pike
That would make me a little apprehensive. I don’t want to mess up my saws so I’m gonna buy a small used saw to play with first. You can never have too many saws anyway.
Why not just leave the press in caps out?
You could. I had a couple screws back out once and these caps kept me from losing them. That’s the main reason.
@@JaredsShop yeah, I can understand that. But blue locktite does have a high temp range. And red is higher but even more permanent. I am not knocking your mod. But Myself I try not to do any more irreversible “damage”. I took the spark arrestor out of my 290 the day of purchase and it ran better. Still going strong the last 11 years
@@wadshim6313
I tried blue for sure but don’t remember if I tried red. What ended up working was new bolts. They have knurls under the head and the old bolts didn’t have much of a knurl left. The new bolts held.
I don't understand why people do mufler mode on chainsaws?I hate it!!I will never do that on mine!!
Duje Amizic
You don’t have to. No one is making you. It sure wakes it up and makes it run a lot better though. That’s why almost every pro mods their saw.
Is this your first rodeo
No sir. Not at all.
That invention make it more noisy? Or ssme only most powerful?
misael pacheco
It is not that much louder. Only slightly. I can barely notice.
It comes down to, Not how much power or revs you make. It's how many trees you cut down with reliability!
And it’s just as reliable as ever, but quicker at being so.
@@JaredsShop Yep
Here's a great video to void your warranty..👍
the real bigfoot
I am already out of warranty so it was of no concern to me.
Their warranties are garbage anyways
Ryans Land & Tree
I’d say that depends on your dealer. I haven’t had any problems with any of mine but I haven’t had any major issues either.
Buy a Husqvarna. Stopped using Stihl bricks a long time ago
pedtrog
This mod works for all saws regardless of brand.
U need back pressure for low end torque
Patrick Barnes
Yep. Still plenty of back pressure.
More air you need more fuel,
Yep. That’s why we tune the carb after this. Don’t want to run lean and burn a cylinder.
if you use that mod on federal lands they will give you a hefty fine for no spark arrestor
Tom Robert
I don’t cut on federal land so I don’t have to worry about that.
Dremel w/no eye protection…toxic masculinity 🤪
Take a look again. I have safety glasses on. They’re clear on the side and hard to see.
Only you can prevent forest fires. If you need more power just get a bigger saw.
hey you
I have a bigger saw. That’s not the point. I like the size of the saw. I just don’t want it choked down anymore. Most lumberjacks and arborists improve their saws too.
What Would Jared Do it is a point. It’s like like taking your chain break off and saying it’s weight reduction. Sure it’s effective but not a good idea. Just like this isn’t a good idea. Get an ms 193 or ms 150 if you want lighter. Liking a saw doesn’t mean you should put yourself in danger or people and houses around you in danger. Idc what you do really I was making the point. The point that you don’t believe is an actual point.
hey you
If I had a 193 I’d do the same thing to it. It would need it even more because it is less hp than my 211. I didn’t say I wanted a lighter saw. I said I wanted more power out of the saw I had. Replacing it with a larger saw is not an answer, which was my point. I already have a larger saw so that point is negated.
The point is there’s no reason not to do this mod. If you’re worried about a spark arrester then you can add one to your holes or vents. I’m not, so I haven’t, and I’m not putting anyone at risk.
If you don’t think the mod is worth it then don’t do it. I happen to think it is. I don’t care if people do the mod but if they’re looking for a way to do it, here’s how I did mine. If I was alone in thinking it was worth it there wouldn’t be so many professionals doing it to every saw they own. Having done it to mine, I will definitely do it to any saw I buy.
If you think many of us are located in forests...you would be horribly mistaken. Tree lines...fence rows...cutting many times in a couple feet of snow. Coming back after bucking in the spring to pick up our logs to bring em home. A mod like this is simply increasing your exhaust pipe so your intake air has better flow much like your wood stove does when lighting a fire. If you wanted, you could put a manual limiter much like your wood stove to vary your exhaust for efficiency, but in colder climates, this is a pretty smart mod. Also, no one is saying you can’t add a screen too. Two self starting screws and a bit of old screen would do. When you see a video, one shouldn’t see it as the end all be all. I think of it like a great idea and ponder additional tweaks and then add in comments to enrich everyone’s experience.
Sam Knerl
Well stated Sam. Thanks!!!
You should have edited out the part where you do the actual work and saved us some time.
It’s hard to make everyone happy. Some people like to see more and some people like to see less.
Wheres your safety glasses.....
Look really close and you’ll see they are on. They’re completely clear and difficult to see but I am wearing them.
I was interested till you do it all out of view!!!!!!
Darrell Bailey
Yeah, sorry about that. I got out of view for a little bit. I only had a GoPro back then so I didn’t have a viewfinder I could see from the front.
lol. 2 cycle motors need back pressure for power and runs with less fuel . only 4 stroke motors dont need back pressure .
Stanley Bashline
A 2 cycle need back pressure to run properly but more back pressure doesn’t mean more power. This still keeps enough back pressure for it to run properly yet opens it up so it runs better. It isn’t choked down like it is out of the factory.
You have to be careful with running too little fuel because you can overheat it.
What Would Jared Do
how much more fuel u burning
What Would Jared Do
not sure about small saws but 660 you can get a exspanion muffler
Stanley Bashline
Even though I know I’m burning more because I had to open the carb a little bit, I can’t notice a change. It runs so much stronger and cuts better that I think I’m using the same or less fuel for the same amount of work.
For example, if a cut took 20 seconds before but now I can do it in 16 seconds, I think I’m actually using less. My cuts are 20% faster but I’m definitely not using 20% more fuel.
Stanley Bashline
That would be nice but I haven’t seen anything like that for any of the smaller or mid-size saws.
Dude, the muffler is not restricting hp. All you are doing is letting out more noise.
F165
Just like automobiles, it can restrict the exhaust. I’ve proven it does run better and cut better after the mod. The results speak for themselves. It’s a common mod done by thousands of arborists and loggers, and has been for years.
I would let the air Blow to the right
Nils R
I didn’t want the hot exhaust blowing on anything, which is why I angled it down.
I just thought because it blows to the right on the older models
Nils R
I’m not saying your idea is bad. That may work just fine. I just thought it be better down but maybe it wouldn’t.
I prefer it right on the tip
The power you gain from this ain't hardly nothing on a smaller saws
1970 olds442
It certainly doesn’t double but I did not an improvement. I timed about a 20% improvement in speed of cuts. 20% on a higher HP saw will definitely be more than 20% on a smaller saw but it still helped a lot. I have no idea how much HP I gained but was using that as an example.
Even at 2x this looks so lagging..
It was a super super hard log. Sharp chain and even the big saw slowly chewed through it. I’ll probably do another video showing the saw is performing great. Unfortunately I won’t be able to a comparison on a different log since the mod is complete but it does run very well.
Hope no grinding debris gets in your open saw exhaust port..
Move the saw away from where your grinding buddy..
Andy L
Thanks for the input. I probably should’ve put a towel or something over it too.
how about a still 180?
Anak Warser
Yes. This can be done on any saw. Your ports may need to look different or be put in a difference place, but the theory is the same. You can also just drill holes instead of cutting fins.
What Would Jared Do thanks I mostly just use them for small limbs but I would like a little more power when I'm to lazy to grab my bigger saws once I work into the bigger limbs I'm definitely going to try it on my 16" 180 them little 180s are light and nice to use.
Anak Warser
That’s what I use my 211 for also. I’d like to get a top handle saw eventually for doing very small limbs.
What Would Jared Do I've seen them top handle saws never used one they seem to be a little expensive but I do think they would be nice for when I'm up in a tree.
Anak Warser
I cut a lot of wood for camping so I use smaller stuff than what you would for normal heating. I’m envisioning using a top handle saw with one hand while I’m holding the small limb with the other. That’s where I think it would be handy for me.
You didn't gain shit now you have a loud ass saw nobody has ever put one on a dyno to see if there is a difference
Mark Whittaker
I’ll disagree. I can say with 100% certainty that there are gains. I’m not the only one who thinks so. There are so many people who have done the mod and would agree.
Also, the change in volume is minimal. I was pleasantly surprised and thought it would be louder.
All 2-stroke must be tune through the exhaust and back pressure and that's not good what you're doing
Ronald Crossland
Completely disagree. All tuning is not done through the exhaust and I, as well as thousands others, know that this mod works and improves performance. While larger engines can see benefits from exhaust tuning (dirt bikes and such) smaller engines can greatly benefit from just a little bit of increased flow and proper air/fuel adjustments.
Too long. And you knew your demo was off the screen so why would you not reshoot? The entire demo could have easily been accomplished in 1/4 the time
Alan Wasserman
I didn’t know it was off the screen until later. Also, this was one of my first videos so I was very new to editing. Sorry you thought it was too long.
Or just buy a bigger saw.
😂 I have a bigger saw with the same mod. It kinda defeats carrying a lighter saw with more power. Loggers and arborists have been doing this mod for years on all sizes of saws.
Dont take that machine out in any woods near me until you make a proper spark arrestor for it..is a little more bang for your buck worth the possibility of a forest fire..dont be cheap buy a bigger better saw..like the short bar? Put a short one on a bigger saw
I won’t be starting any forest fires and I already own a bigger saw. I did the mod on it too. I didn’t mod this to make it act like a bigger saw. I modded it to make it run better. I love the size and weight of this saw.
It doesn’t matter how big the saw is I’d still mod it. People even mod the ms880. They usually do more than just a muffler mod too. The saws are choked down from the factory and this mod helps a ton.
This saw is so weak just buy one chinese 3 hp saw and ...
It’s actually a great saw that I use for 90%+ of the time. I have a larger one also for the big stuff but I use the lighter saw any time I can.
Had respect untill no safty glasses
Wayne Flett
They are on. I promise. They’re hard to see but there are a few frames where you can see the arm on the left side of my head.
get a husky
Al - Kafir
They all suffer from the EPA choke down.
Yup that’s dangerous and will burn up
Al Thompson
What will burn up?
You're the stupid fucker. Yes it needs back pressure, but opening up the muffler doesn't hurt it, IT HELPS IT BREATH, dumbass. And they make the muffler that way, not because it's healthy but because they have to comply with EPA standards! Look at the old saws with opened mufflers, they run better, cooler, and last longer. Doing these mods HELP the saw run better. Ask anyone who knows 2 stroke engines dumbass. Over here acting like you know something. Fuck off
He simply asked you what would burn up and you go off on him? You sir are an arrogant asshole Al.
Al Thompson u must be stupid
Here in Canada that's how our Stihl chainsaws are shipped in, all ready modified.
Lame no start up, we don’t have all day to waste get to the point a little faster.
Thank you for the feedback. The rest is in part two. People asked for a more detailed video so that’s why this one didn’t just fly through it.
Sweet let's see if I got this!
Dick,around with with stock machine =void warranty.
Gain noise and 20%faster cut .........nmmmmmmmNOT
It’s true. Proof is in the timing. This is something done by many arborists and loggers. Not my invention. I just implemented it and proved it. The noise isn’t that much louder either.
Buy the right saw
@@6666tank
This mod is done to all of my saws. Large ones too. More power out of a saw without increasing the weight. No need to hurt the back using the bigger saw when I don’t need to.
Your gear my opinion!!
@@6666tank
And everyone is entitled to their opinion. This mod isn’t for everyone and I’d never judge anyone for not wanting to do it. It’s just out there for those that do.
If you want more power, buy a bigger saw.
That’s not the point. I have a bigger saw. It is about getting more power out of a saw that is lighter. I’ve performed the same mod on the bigger saw as well. Arborists and loggers have been doing this mod for years.