Rise of Jin and the War of the Eight Princes DOCUMENTARY

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    In our past historical animated documentary series, we have talked about the Three Kingdoms period of Chinese history, covering the battles of Guandu and Red Cliffs. In the aftermath, Jin dynasty managed to take over the country, but their policies would lead to the civil wars, collectively known as the War of the Eight Princes.
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  • @KingsandGenerals
    @KingsandGenerals  4 года назад +318

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    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад +10

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      Thanks for the inspiring scipt Ilkin Gambar amd Matt Hollis 👍 Thanks for this opportunity Nurlan Karimov.
      Enjoying the game hope you guys also enjoy the video 👋

    • @hadtrio6629
      @hadtrio6629 4 года назад +1

      why the patreons never asks for the battle of 3 kings

    • @SeanHiruki
      @SeanHiruki 4 года назад +11

      Kings and Generals another great video. I hope you go back and cover the other legendary battles of te three kingdoms.

    • @nuraizayoi3319
      @nuraizayoi3319 4 года назад +1

      What about the other princes?? and how Sima Yue eventually win the war of the 8 princes

    • @kingkuroneko7253
      @kingkuroneko7253 4 года назад

      Over simplify this is reminding me of

  • @crosslegluke4506
    @crosslegluke4506 4 года назад +1213

    "her reputation as scheming, petty, and ruthless is probably propaganda."
    *Spends the next 6 minutes describing in detail how she schemed, pettied, and ruthlessly consolidated power for herself.*

    • @panda5996
      @panda5996 4 года назад +52

      this is a propaganda video! do not watch! HAHA

    • @ethanramos4441
      @ethanramos4441 4 года назад +9

      condorX2 Liu Bei only cared about the people and this isn’t history alternative channel dumbass

    • @htoodoh5770
      @htoodoh5770 4 года назад +24

      Reputation? But to be fair this is true for all ruler. So she isn't alone.

    • @kevinzhu6417
      @kevinzhu6417 4 года назад +2

      @lolcano234 people like that just come with using the internet lol. Its pretty weird but its not strange to see people online spamming their political opinions regardless of belief nowadays

    • @alexliu5806
      @alexliu5806 4 года назад +48

      China being largely Confucian often did not like it when women were in positions of great power. If you look at any powerful woman in Chinese history, they are likely associated with those same negative traits. Keep in mind that most of this history is not written by the subjects themselves and by biased third parties.

  • @GloryToParadis
    @GloryToParadis 4 года назад +480

    Roman Empire: *Screams at Crisis of the Third Century*
    China: First time?

    • @yuenhai
      @yuenhai 4 года назад +49

      China: "There, there. Want to know my story?"

    • @yuenhai
      @yuenhai 4 года назад +33

      @WithAStick AngryWhiteMan Well, with such a huge population, I think it's safe to say they cover the whole gamut of the loyalty spectrum
      The first son of Emperor Qin Shi Huang, for example, famously remained loyal to the memory of his father as the Emperor, and committed suicide as instructed, in spite of his supporters urging him to rise up in rebellion, correctly deducing that his father was already dead and the order to commit suicide came from those who were impersonating his dead father's authority

    • @yuenhai
      @yuenhai 4 года назад +20

      @@condorX2 There's a theory that Liu Bei wasn't even remotely remorseful over Guan Yu's death
      The theory is that Liu Bei had always had aspiration to become the emperor
      However, Guan Yu was loyal to the Han dynasty - the only reason why he followed Liu Bei was because LB presented himself as a Han loyalist trying to revive the Han
      However, by the time near Guan Yu's death it was apparent to him that LB was merely putting up an act, and LB's ambitions became apparent to Guan Yu, and a rift started developing between them
      It sort of checks out
      It's why Guan Yu never participated in the subjugation of Shu - because to him that was LB seizing land from Liu Zhang, who was the rightful lord of Shu, previously appointed by the Han court
      It's also why Guan Yu embarked on his campaign with almost little to no support from the rest of Shu - Guan Yu was literally going at it alone
      At that point, his mindset was, "Fine if LB doesn't care about saving the Han emperor, I'll just have to do it myself"
      It's also why when GY requested for help, Meng Da and Liu Feng denied to help
      Think about it
      GY is supposedly the brother of the new lord of Shu LB, would any Shu subject dare to deny his request for help?
      Especially Liu Feng, considering he is LB's adopted son
      The theory is that, Liu Feng must have received instructions to leave GY be, and were later scapegoated for it
      To LB, GY at that point has become an obstacle for him to be emperor, yet there is no way he can remove GY, so letting GY die a heroic death in battle is the perfect solution for him
      And if GY's death gives him a pretext to invade Wu, that's like killing two birds with one stone, to him
      The theory also goes on to say that LB's other close followers, like ZGL and Zhao Yun, were aware of these tensions, to some degree
      It's why they vehemently opposed LB's Wu campaign, and chose to sit it out

    • @zpastor7777
      @zpastor7777 3 года назад

      I think you are also too much
      this is just historical video and he was just talking about the history
      I think you sound more like a propagandist than him or her

    • @gordonl_8422
      @gordonl_8422 3 года назад +3

      In fact they faced with a big trouble at nearly the same time XD
      When Romulus was deposited in 476AD, China was also suffering a dark age.

  • @qus.9617
    @qus.9617 4 года назад +739

    This period does feel a bit like the Roman empire's period of Germanic migration into Rome's borders due to Hunnic expansion.

    • @peymanmostafaei6963
      @peymanmostafaei6963 4 года назад +55

      I was thinking the same. Especially the sack of their capital is very similar to the sack of Rome in 410 and 455 by Germanic tribes and in some extent to the state of Roman empire where the West died due to nomadic incursions while the East remained for another thousand years.

    • @darrynmurphy4764
      @darrynmurphy4764 4 года назад +69

      They were roughly contemporary, which has led some historians to speculate that a climate shift caused both

    • @stephenl6546
      @stephenl6546 4 года назад +4

      You are definitely right.

    • @chottomatekudasai-kun3887
      @chottomatekudasai-kun3887 4 года назад +15

      i remember reading somewhere that huns and the dudes that invaded china in this period are related and basically from the same origin, but cant remember where do i read that xD

    • @grimgoreironhide9985
      @grimgoreironhide9985 4 года назад +32

      @Arexon The real cause of the downfall for the Roman Empire was Currency devaluation. The Roman Military was too expensive to maintain in "peacetime" or when there wasn't any large campaigns to conduct. Tax collection was not enough to fund the army and the only sure way to payoff soldiers was by plundering other civilisations. The Administration was also inflated and the civil servants and administrators all needed to be paid well. What the government did was simply devalue the gold coins with silver to have more coins available and this caused damage to the economy. Economics, expensive military and the greed of the ruling class is what really destroyed the Empire. The foreign Barbarians only managed to destroy an already weakened Empire.

  • @suckatchess
    @suckatchess 4 года назад +536

    Dude, there's so much double dealing and back stabbing I have to watch three times to remember who's betraying who at what time. I love it!!!

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад +10

      😁 thanks for watching!

    • @wmhld
      @wmhld 4 года назад +25

      and so far only 3 out of the 8 princes are involved

    • @sntm87
      @sntm87 4 года назад +9

      Ikr. Plus the one/two syllable names makes it that much harder.

    • @MrRenegadeshinobi
      @MrRenegadeshinobi 4 года назад +19

      Chinese Game of Thrones

    • @Harthorn
      @Harthorn 4 года назад +19

      This is Chinese politics, it is still the same now.

  • @erickisking9973
    @erickisking9973 3 года назад +243

    Cao Cao knew that Sima Yi would be a threat in the future and would one day usurp the Cao dynasty. There is a story that after one particular meeting with Cao Cao and while Sima Yi was about to leave, Cao Cao shouted Sima Yi's name behind his back and Sima Yi made the gesture of turning only his head at Cao and not his body. This was known as 'the wolf's gaze' and Cao Cao knew that only a man with great ambition and cunning could make such a gesture. Another story is that Cao Cao once had a dream of three horses (The 'ma' in the name Sima means horse) eating straws in a manger (The word 'cao' means manger). In retrospect, in indicates that Sima Yi and his two sons (the three horses) would one day consume the Cao family (manger). From then on, Cao Cao became very wary of Sima Yi's power and influence and warned his son that Sima Yi was not content in being under his authority and would certainly interfere in his affairs. Nevertheless, Cao needed Sima Yi to aid his son in fighting against Zhuge Liang and therefore could not afford to get rid of him. Hence Cao Cao was partly responsible for his own dynasty's downfall.

    • @LagunaShirogane
      @LagunaShirogane Год назад +24

      I favored Kingdom of Wei in Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Dynasty Warriors games. Even I disliked Sima Yi from the start and favored Guo Jia over him. Who's to say that Sima Yi poisoned Guo Jia to prevent him from interfering in his plans to overtake the Wei Dynasty? Guo Jia died of a mysterious illness at the age of 38 just before the Battle of Chi Bi. Guo Jia was so good and intelligent that every prediction that man ever made came true. This is why Cao Cao trusted him so highly with everything. Guo Jia's death devastated Cao Cao deeply and inadvertently set the stage up for Sima Yi's rise in Cao Cao's court. Imagine what would have happened had Guo Jia survived? Could he have prevented Sima Yi's plot to overthrow Cao Cao's family? I suspect this highly. It does seem odd that Guo Jia died at such a young age when Cao Cao needed him most.

    • @breezywarhead8489
      @breezywarhead8489 Год назад +7

      @@LagunaShirogane dont forget sun jian top general also missing since yellow turbans. Guo jia is most likely kill by sima clan because sima clan dream usurping the throne from han dynasty and use poison drinks to make him sick and die because he is a threat to sima yi ambition to overthrow cao cao.

    • @LagunaShirogane
      @LagunaShirogane Год назад +3

      @@breezywarhead8489 This makes the most sense. Guo Jia's son also had a bad reputation among the Wei Dynasty as well. What I read of Guo Yi, who was Guo Jia's son, was disturbing. Guo Yi was welcomed by Cao Cao into his family, after Guo Jia's death, like he was another one of his children. What was disturbing about Guo Yi is how he treated some officers in the Wei army when he was older in a horrible well such poor attitude problems. As well as reports that suggest he was gay due to how he acted oddly around some men. Im not sure if this was propaganda by the Sima Family to keep Guo Yi down or if this was true as its said that history is written by the victors regardless if its factual or truth. This is very true with Cao Cao as history has never been too kind to the Hero of Chaos. History and stories has often portrayed Cao Cao in poor light by making him out to be an evil tyrant not much better than Dong Zhuo...if not worse. When in reality, Cao Cao did what he had to for the sake of the country. Even if it meant being portrayed as a villian to his enemies and to do things that others wouldnt dare cross. He reminds me of Nobunaga Oda a bit in this sense. Doing what is necessary to achive the best course of action. Which is unifying the country by any means necessary. Liu Bei was seen as an adversary, for example, not an enemy. Sun Quan was no different to him. Unlike his son Cao Pi, Cao Cao refused to force the Emperor to abdicate the throne to him and stayed in his good graces and supported him and protected him.

    • @breezywarhead8489
      @breezywarhead8489 Год назад +2

      @@LagunaShirogane although jin dynasty before the war of eight princes portray wei highly than shu and wu. Then ming dynasty portray wei badly. Kinda ironic

    • @LagunaShirogane
      @LagunaShirogane Год назад +5

      @@breezywarhead8489 Yeah it does. Perhaps the Ming were descendants of the Wei Dynasty's enemies? That would make the most sense if that be the case. It was said that China's own borders shrunk by nearly half its size after the War of the 8 Princes that followed a century later after the Three Kingdoms era which eventually would lead to the Mongol Invasion by Genghis Khan and his ancestors in the following centuries.

  • @benilevi5223
    @benilevi5223 4 года назад +677

    How many times you can go into a civil war
    China : Yes

    • @user-gx3kb4wi4t
      @user-gx3kb4wi4t 4 года назад +35

      Civil war?China is as big as europe,todays China ≠ancient China

    • @user-fi2fk2ei7o
      @user-fi2fk2ei7o 4 года назад +27

      @@user-gx3kb4wi4t you are right , china is very big and diverse
      it's like saying seven years war an european civil war if someone think china is united nation back then

    • @almalayuwiyyah2512
      @almalayuwiyyah2512 4 года назад +19

      @@user-gx3kb4wi4t yes, china not united back then but they fight like a civil war. the theatre of wars always in meddetrienean seas. crusade,ww1,ww2,napoleonic war,fall of constantinople,, the holy league, caliphate even until today the biggest conflict always around meditteranean seas. china history is like they live in their own world. china has huge population compare to the rest of the world. when there is civil war in china. it is like a world war. taiping rebellion itself is greater than ww2. the death toll of Taiping rebellion is freaking 100 million people surpassing ww2 of 85 million dead. I will blunt, the chinese is like an alien. they kinda scary too. it give me the impression that they will release the horde of chinese to destroy the world.

    • @yinongxu9355
      @yinongxu9355 4 года назад +7

      @@almalayuwiyyah2512 Sure, then if we are able to destroy the world, maybe consider stop pushing us to really destroy the world and maybe try to make friends?

    • @yinongxu9355
      @yinongxu9355 4 года назад +19

      @@shanexm3062 There are no special wars, all wars are equally cruel. Civil wars are the worst. The reason that you felt in that particular way about our wars might simply be because you don't like us like you liked the other "Glorious wars" that fought by other "noble people". Just imagine if it wasn't some Chinese but the people you like died in that number, would you say the same words? You don't like the potential of we can conquer the world, but at the same time you are saying we definitely cannot conquer the world, then what are you afraid? And where does the hate come from?

  • @Alexander99602
    @Alexander99602 4 года назад +232

    Nomadic people in all Chinese history
    "So you want some sol-"
    China : *YES.* but you will not betray us right?
    Nomads : Well yes but actually yes.

    • @CodytheHun123
      @CodytheHun123 4 года назад +9

      Please make this into meme format 😂

    • @R3GARnator
      @R3GARnator 4 года назад +25

      Sounds like the late roman empire and migrating tribes.

    • @elivevile
      @elivevile 4 года назад +8

      nomadic people in ancient times …. immigrants from countries with ideologies hostile to the host country in modern times.

    • @kyokyodisaster4842
      @kyokyodisaster4842 4 года назад +5

      @@elivevile Now, that isn't true...and makes a harsh difference between refugees from today and nomadic peoples from then. Again, there is massive differences politically and economically that makes that so.

    • @alexandrebirk1948
      @alexandrebirk1948 3 года назад +9

      @@kyokyodisaster4842 and I will add late that some tribes were okay to integrate the roman empire but the roman said nope and exterminate them

  • @archetiip
    @archetiip 4 года назад +910

    When you have imbecile trait but your wife is 30+ intrigue monster

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 4 года назад +122

      And all major vassals with opinions of over -50 ...

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 4 года назад +12

      @@winjiro106 nonono, we were talking about the game of Murdering Your Wife.

    • @winjiro106
      @winjiro106 4 года назад +61

      But your husband's cousin (Sima Lun) have 31 intrigue + Schemer's trait

    • @heavenwatcher100
      @heavenwatcher100 4 года назад +30

      I must be chilling if I sense this fact in CK2.

    • @panda5996
      @panda5996 4 года назад +4

      Don't you know? In Asia, the only things more dangerous than men...are women. There are significantly less clashes between a wife's father and her husband. There are a crap ton of clashes between a husband's mother and his wife. So messy to a point, even a big country like China can get bogged down.

  • @nikolaytsankov9066
    @nikolaytsankov9066 4 года назад +545

    When I spent 2 hours looking at the wikipaedia article and the family tree trying to figure this messy war over a year ago I thought there would be no payoff.
    I was wrong

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  4 года назад +121

      Knowledge is never in vain

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад +19

      I knew some friend will comment this! Enjoyed creating that family tree thanks for watching!

    • @ilikedota5
      @ilikedota5 4 года назад +6

      only 2?

    • @GKS225
      @GKS225 4 года назад +5

      @@user-dq7to1jc7p Same here

    • @Harthorn
      @Harthorn 4 года назад +5

      China political games are very savage, even now, it's the same.

  • @TheJdong34
    @TheJdong34 4 года назад +89

    Game of thrones: W'ere gunna-
    China: Hold my bowl of rice
    Game of thrones: But we haven't-
    China: Just hold it

  • @Ben0_o
    @Ben0_o 4 года назад +83

    People alive during the Three Kingdoms be like: "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war."

    • @emperorx5
      @emperorx5 3 года назад +22

      Northern Nomads: WAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH

    • @fromfareast3070
      @fromfareast3070 3 года назад +8

      yeah, with Sixteen Kingdoms as follows.. that's pretty true.

    • @richardwang7659
      @richardwang7659 3 года назад +2

      Warhammer : the Dragon of Chaos

    • @marloyorkrodriguez9975
      @marloyorkrodriguez9975 2 года назад +2

      The Empire, the Last bastion of hope…

    • @afdalridwan3813
      @afdalridwan3813 Год назад +1

      @@marloyorkrodriguez9975 Last time peoples can chill was When dong Zhuo still alive, after that all jealous and selfish warlords declare for own authority

  • @gabrielferreira1531
    @gabrielferreira1531 4 года назад +292

    The Diadochi wars and the Three kingdons period: real epics who make game of thrones blush in shame

    • @alantan9863
      @alantan9863 4 года назад +9

      Not really. Got has no spoiler, but ROTK and others had.

    • @quintus6081
      @quintus6081 4 года назад +25

      War of the Roses: "Am I a joke to you?"

    • @Mitchmeow
      @Mitchmeow 4 года назад +52

      You hit the nail on the head for why I think history is more interesting than any fiction. Real life produces events and drama crazier than anything an author could ever think of. As somebody once said, "Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, is expected to make sense."

    • @TheRealBruceLouis
      @TheRealBruceLouis 4 года назад +9

      @@Mitchmeow not just that, it actually happened. with fiction u rig it however u see fit no matter how ridiculous or wtf it is. with history, it actually happened.

    • @Mitchmeow
      @Mitchmeow 4 года назад +9

      @@TheRealBruceLouisExactly. You're dealing with the real actions of real people, and all of the nuance and random bullshit that comes with it. Endlessly fascinating.

  • @harveyliu89
    @harveyliu89 4 года назад +100

    When told that the peasants are dying and couldn’t afford rice in their bowls, the young emperor Hui infamously asked: “why didn’t they eat meat then?”

    • @masayukitachibana2756
      @masayukitachibana2756 4 года назад +5

      that could be misinterpreted badly

    • @harveyliu89
      @harveyliu89 4 года назад +12

      ​@@alvinlin8140 Looking at historical documents, crazy he's not, "slow" very much so

    • @robertnguyen2025
      @robertnguyen2025 4 года назад +2

      Well that is epic..meat? They finally ate the meat and here we are in a c19 pandemic ..a century in the making

    • @unglaublichcharlatan3600
      @unglaublichcharlatan3600 3 года назад +12

      Robert Nguyen troll ?

    • @robertnguyen2025
      @robertnguyen2025 3 года назад +2

      Unglaublich Charlatan troll?

  • @seveylee9865
    @seveylee9865 4 года назад +341

    War of the Roses was the most confusing political civil war.
    Sima Clan: Hold my beer.

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 4 года назад +36

      Well, the play ground was so much LARGER than England

    • @martinzaksauskas4739
      @martinzaksauskas4739 4 года назад

      Sevey Lee I disagree I legit cant figure out the war of the roses

    • @makcjiw7704
      @makcjiw7704 4 года назад +37

      Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms:Hold my Baijiu

    • @someorclad9738
      @someorclad9738 4 года назад +34

      More like;
      All Chinese Dynasties at one point: Hold my Mandate of Heaven.

    • @megamen7353
      @megamen7353 4 года назад +26

      Nah, War of the Roses compare to chinese history is kinda "history for slow kids". If it wasnt about British, nobody prob would knew about it anyway. Brits like to exaggerate their own history.

  • @sirspamalot3
    @sirspamalot3 4 года назад +335

    Masterfully done documentary, as usual.

  • @tenriayukawa5478
    @tenriayukawa5478 4 года назад +26

    My goodness. Betrayal everywhere. Who betrayed who? Needed to watch it multiple times to know who is who. But heck, this is Game of Thrones Chinese version

  • @KdN17
    @KdN17 4 года назад +58

    I really hope Total War Trhee kingdoms keep promoting your channel, because I am a big fan of chinese history

    • @yumiryin8197
      @yumiryin8197 4 года назад +3

      china history is very cruel

  • @TheHzh82
    @TheHzh82 4 года назад +87

    12:05 Sima Lun was the 9th (and youngest) son of Sima Yi. He’s actually Sima Yan’s uncle. The family tree you showed had him as Sima Yan’s son.

    • @Kay2kGer
      @Kay2kGer 4 года назад

      need to go up

  • @VictoryStudios2012
    @VictoryStudios2012 4 года назад +60

    Sima Liang was the real hero. Loved by the people and they refused to kill him.

  • @SupernovaJBombastic
    @SupernovaJBombastic 4 года назад +82

    Really digging the artwork in this one. Absolutely gorgeous

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад +1

      thanks for watchingmy friend!

  • @07azunyan
    @07azunyan 4 года назад +49

    All this Ancient China content came at the perfect time when I was finding ancient Rome stuff stale. Thanks.

    • @KhanMann66
      @KhanMann66 4 года назад +15

      More Asian wars please. European wars getting stale.

    • @R3GARnator
      @R3GARnator 4 года назад +9

      Yeah i found his series on Inca and Aztecs extremely refreshing.

  • @animeweng
    @animeweng 4 года назад +52

    A better story than Game of Thrones.

  • @XuerLi
    @XuerLi 4 года назад +67

    There is a drama called "Advisors' Alliance" which depicts the rise of Sima clan. Anyone who is interested in this part of history can watch it which is a really well made historical drama and completely different from other typical cheap chinese costume dramas made for women and children with self invented storylines, characters and weird people flying in sky like supermen.

    • @abedmarachli7345
      @abedmarachli7345 2 года назад

      As a Chinese, do you have information about what happened to the boy? Was he killed or was he still alive? But from the common people, because the clip depicts only that the empire was captured trying to kill the boy.

    • @lilianhaggland2031
      @lilianhaggland2031 Год назад

      Thank you,I love Chinese History

  • @matthewboyle2641
    @matthewboyle2641 4 года назад +130

    Imagine being on guard duty when the Wu Hu show up
    Guard 1"Wu Hu!"
    Guard 2 "What are you so happy about? We're being attacked by barbarians!"

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 4 года назад +4

      Good one~

    • @x_nasheed_x9622
      @x_nasheed_x9622 4 года назад +1

      I just spit my drink.

    • @spangopola
      @spangopola 4 года назад +16

      Wu Hu is in a fact a collective term for the various barbarian tribes of the north, instead of a specific clan or people. It literally meant "Five (Northern) Barbarians", which implies the five major invaders of Jin borders: Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Xianbei, and the Qiang. There are in fact numerous other tribes which invaded Jin, but these five are the big boys in the fiasco.

    • @pypy1986820
      @pypy1986820 4 года назад +1

      @@spangopola Wu Hu can be literally translate to the five Hunnic people. You can see the disrespect the then Han China had for them--they can't even be bothered to distinguish them properly even as they carve out their own kingdoms in China and sacked their capitals.

    • @rickr9435
      @rickr9435 4 года назад +7

      @@pypy1986820 first, wu hu, and two of those were sino-tibetan people. do you really know what "Hunnic " means? second, these five were the major groups, other groups were just under these five. so what do you even mean by "can't even be bothered to distinguish them properly"? already told you that the big five were Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Xianbei & Qiang.
      justFYI, Han chinese were from Qiang. Qiang and Di were related. Most Xianbei and some of Southern Xiongnu merged into Han later.

  • @alishermukhametkali9230
    @alishermukhametkali9230 4 года назад +24

    Sima Yi and Sima Lun are literally Littlefinger of Chinese history
    Chaos is a ladder

  • @zeflute4586
    @zeflute4586 4 года назад +55

    The "Wu Hu" (五胡) means "the five Babarians", including the huns (those who remained in China after Han-Huns Warfare).

    • @wilhelmreinhardt4643
      @wilhelmreinhardt4643 4 года назад +21

      The southern Huns (Xiongnu), whom by this point is already very sinicized, their leader even had the old Han imperial surname of Liu.

    • @USERZ123XD
      @USERZ123XD 4 года назад

      @@wilhelmreinhardt4643 everybody is gangsta until the huns invaded.

    • @rickr9435
      @rickr9435 4 года назад +9

      @@wilhelmreinhardt4643 yeah, and Liu Yuan even named his new kingdom Han

    • @rickr9435
      @rickr9435 4 года назад +3

      actually I think the translation is not accurate. 胡 is more like "foreign". the word 蛮 is closer to barbarian

    • @user-od9hs2yl2o
      @user-od9hs2yl2o 4 года назад +1

      @@rickr9435 蛮 only refers to barbarians to the south

  • @ermawanbanyubiru1924
    @ermawanbanyubiru1924 4 года назад +230

    Zhuge Liang North Expedition please Kings and Generals

    • @alantan9863
      @alantan9863 4 года назад +17

      Too painful to watch. Just because of '1 horse'(Ma Su), everything fell apart.

    • @ermawanbanyubiru1924
      @ermawanbanyubiru1924 4 года назад +11

      @@alantan9863 if not because of Ma Su arrogance and Liu Bei Vengeance he already unite china

    • @ZhouGongJin
      @ZhouGongJin 4 года назад +2

      @@alantan9863 I doubt that's in the historical records instead of the novel

    • @ZhouGongJin
      @ZhouGongJin 4 года назад +15

      @@ermawanbanyubiru1924 if you wanna use "if only" then I can use if only Zhou Yu are healthy n didn't die young then wu will get yi provinces, then it would've been a different story.
      After all, chi bi is of Zhou Yu's brilliance not zhuge. Calling south eastern wind, borrowing 10000 bows are just novels fabrication to make zhuge liang looks good. Zhou Yu was actually magnanimous n wasn't wary about zhuge at all.

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 4 года назад +2

      @@ZhouGongJin The fault of Ma Su were well documented in the official history books. So that was true instead of romance.

  • @SeleucusNicator
    @SeleucusNicator 4 года назад +160

    Just when I thought I couldn't be more excited for the Eight Princes DLC, you release this incredible video and shatter my hype meter! xD
    My first campaign will be as Sima Wei. Going to see what might've happened if Sima Wei had heeded Qi Sheng's advice and attacked Empress Jia before she turned on him.

    • @Liquidsback
      @Liquidsback 4 года назад +4

      Just keep an eye on that Ptolemy Keraunos.

    • @yevonsama
      @yevonsama 4 года назад +12

      Sima Ai ( Sima Wei's brother) is only good guys among them.
      He be betrayed, and burn alive. You even can see it in the trailer.

    • @OCinneide
      @OCinneide 4 года назад +2

      @@trollpolice Three Kingdoms

  • @aaroneus5479
    @aaroneus5479 4 года назад +25

    wow, thanks to this video I managed to get the promotional pre-order 18 minutes before the dlc released

  • @jeffa.2092
    @jeffa.2092 4 года назад +30

    I can't thank you and the channel enough for your content. I remember growing up when the history and military channels actually covered history and had incredible documentaries. With that being long gone, having these channels (which are better quality than the old history channel imo) is incredible. I literally smiled as I saw the notification saying you posted a new video. Considering joining for the $4.99/month.

  • @hansbass8119
    @hansbass8119 4 года назад +35

    If anyone want to know more of this period, Serious Trivia have a really good 8 part video covering the reason until the end of the 8 princes era. His video was very educating and interesting

    • @lxjilyfe
      @lxjilyfe 4 года назад +4

      absolutely agree, his content is even more detailed and educating. link below
      ruclips.net/video/IMVxYcnehBU/видео.html

  • @stonks1150
    @stonks1150 4 года назад +52

    This page is absolute quality. Best videos to smoke a joint to.

    • @GClermont
      @GClermont 4 года назад +1

      Its amazing
      watch these videos high

  • @logi4840
    @logi4840 4 года назад +8

    This must be one of the best videos K&G ever made. I love it Thank you!!

  • @warriorpoet458
    @warriorpoet458 4 года назад +5

    Thank you for clearing up all the family intrigue. Another great video.

  • @yegirish
    @yegirish 4 года назад +16

    The art in your chinese history videos has been absolutely fantastic. Great job, art team!

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад +3

      thanks for watching! art team happy :D

  • @tdoge
    @tdoge 4 года назад +20

    1:36 That horseman YEETING the enemy troops tho

  • @donnieroush58
    @donnieroush58 4 года назад +10

    I remember the ending of the Jin campaign in dynasty warriors 7 they briefly explained some of this and what happened after Sima Zhao defeated Shu. Great video!

  • @Geopoliticus
    @Geopoliticus 4 года назад +8

    Incredible documentary. Art and presentation is brilliant, kudos to the narrator too: the effort to get the pronunciation right is very evident. Looking forward to more on Chinese history! Some South-East Asian history too please!

  • @romulusremus6912
    @romulusremus6912 4 года назад

    Fantastic documentary. Look forward to more of this. Thank you for producing them.

  • @tamasharbula3317
    @tamasharbula3317 4 года назад +10

    The makers of this video are literally kings. Great work guys, as always. You make youtube useful and magnificent.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад

      thanks for watching!

  • @Ulas_Aldag
    @Ulas_Aldag 4 года назад +3

    Best channel ever. I am so glad you guys exist. RUclips would a boring and void place without kings and Generals

  • @user-ys5qp4bq4s
    @user-ys5qp4bq4s 4 года назад +5

    Love the style, love your voice. Your voice is just surprisingly pleasant to hear, articulate, eloquent, and as a Br Eng accent, not pretentious at all.

  • @knowledgerealm1064
    @knowledgerealm1064 4 года назад +4

    The map on this looks fantastic. Great documentary as always

  • @Gigas0101
    @Gigas0101 4 года назад +2

    I COULD go look all this up on my own, but your presentation is worth the wait.

  • @BlazeKiingHD
    @BlazeKiingHD 4 года назад +3

    Love this channel! Keep the vids coming ASAP

  • @samsonpatayon9131
    @samsonpatayon9131 4 года назад +4

    The animations and the overall presentations are evolving over time! This is my favorite channel..

  • @denniscleary7580
    @denniscleary7580 4 года назад +1

    Spent all night last night watching your videos, couldn’t think of a better way to spend my night 😁

  • @MegaAmar98
    @MegaAmar98 4 года назад

    This was by far my most favourite art style in this channel. Keep it up :)

  • @GClermont
    @GClermont 4 года назад +4

    Amazing video quality, you guys are always improving the channel, congrats

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад

      thanks for watching

  • @joshualin5476
    @joshualin5476 4 года назад +18

    Total War is such a based franchise for sponsoring all these videos on Ancient China. So badass.
    Also, this video has such a cool artstyle. Props to the designer/animator

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад +3

      thanks alot!

  • @tanmaytripathi8358
    @tanmaytripathi8358 4 года назад +2

    best war documentary channel ever, recommended everyone who loves historical and war videos :-)

  • @LECityLECLEC
    @LECityLECLEC 3 года назад

    Thanks for sharing this episode this is amazing!

  • @barbiquearea
    @barbiquearea 4 года назад +51

    I have to say, the Han Chinese should thank their lucky stars that the Sun family was around to build up the infrastructure of the Southlands when they ruled the kingdom of Wu. Because had they not then the surviving Jin wouldn't of had a strong powerbase in the south to retreat to when the Five Barbarians overran the northern territories and could have flooded past the Yangtze and really brought China into a dark age while reshaping its culture.

    • @pypy1986820
      @pypy1986820 4 года назад +16

      Don't forget Liu Bei (Shu Han)'s effort in developing the South West of China which was previously almost all under-developed near stone age mountain tribes with minimal governance and near non-existent infrastructure. The South West refuge strategy worked for China even in 20th century: as soon as Chiang and Chinese Nationalist forces retreated to the tropical mountains of South West China (Shu Han region), even the Imperial Japan can't dislodge them due to all the alleys to hide from aerial attacks and all the mountains that made mechanized advance all but impossible. In fact, I believe, without the near unassailable tropical mountains of South China (It's kinda like the Vale of Game of Thrones but with tropical climate which means plenty food so it's actually more impregnable), Chinese civilization would have been extinct like Rome instead of reincarnate again and again in real history...

    • @unglaublichcharlatan3600
      @unglaublichcharlatan3600 3 года назад +2

      Pretty accurate. Otherwise China might not be China as it is today

    • @mechannel7046
      @mechannel7046 3 года назад +6

      @@unglaublichcharlatan3600 There is no pure "Chinese" people. The Chinese (and the Han Chinese in particular) is nothing but a mixture of numerous racial and ethnic groups.

    • @user-cs2cc4do6g
      @user-cs2cc4do6g 3 года назад +2

      i dont care.if barbarian conquered China,then they will bacome Chinese.

    • @shzarmai
      @shzarmai 3 года назад +2

      @@user-cs2cc4do6g Yep they would just get sinicized* lol

  • @NguyenThanh-zf8tk
    @NguyenThanh-zf8tk 4 года назад +26

    Sima Liang is not a son of Sima Yan. Instead he is the fourth son of Sima Yi - creator of Jin dynasty, and great uncle of Sima Yan.
    And you can mention Sima Rui, an adopted son of Sima Yan who will become the savior of Jin.

  • @shaunmark1
    @shaunmark1 3 года назад +1

    These documentaries are the BEST. I mean, I watch a lot on TV, streaming platforms, and RUclips, but this is unbeatable.

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for doing this and the other Chinese history videos. It's a subject that has always fascinated me and your channel covers historical battles exceptionally well.
    I hope to one day see the Mahdi and Anglo Zulu wars here.

  • @mrperson0140
    @mrperson0140 4 года назад +3

    This channel keeps getting better with each video!!!

  • @pieterfischer9638
    @pieterfischer9638 4 года назад +10

    Once again, Kings and Generals do not disappoint. I would happily buy a collection of all your videos in a DVD box set. :)

  • @abdoessam8634
    @abdoessam8634 4 года назад

    Fantastic episode as usual .keep the videos on chinese history,it's so interesting

  • @thedirty530
    @thedirty530 4 года назад +1

    The way you bring life to these conflicts that textbooks can't is Historic...To truly appreciate history, you have see it with your own eyes......Keep up the Amazing work!!

  • @TheMetalHeadbangger
    @TheMetalHeadbangger 4 года назад +6

    Such a awesome history lesson. Can not wait what happens next.

  • @Zantides
    @Zantides 4 года назад +68

    Was sitting here wondering when the next video was due 😎

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  4 года назад +8

      The wizard is never late, nor is he early and stuff. :-)

  • @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164
    @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 4 года назад

    Good job, this is another good educational and entertaining video.

  • @DutchSkeptic
    @DutchSkeptic 4 года назад +9

    I love the Three Kingdoms period, and I had never heard so many details of the Jin period thereafter! Thanks so much! There are some errors in the subtitles but it's probably easy to fix. :)

  • @CNX625
    @CNX625 4 года назад +16

    World history books skipped after the three kingdoms. Next thing I know there's a Sui dynasty. Oh before I forget.
    "China is whole again. Then it broke again."

  • @SamuelHallEngland
    @SamuelHallEngland 4 года назад +6

    Fascinating! More please. Great animation style too!

  • @Rogue-A.I.
    @Rogue-A.I. 4 года назад

    superb documentary! Keep it up!

  • @oremilutinovic2724
    @oremilutinovic2724 4 года назад +2

    You got the voice meant for this. Love your videos.

  • @SaraBearRawr0312
    @SaraBearRawr0312 4 года назад +4

    I clicked on this fully knowing that it would involve a Total War: Three Kingdoms sponsorship and stayed knowing that K&G makes fantastic content either way.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад

      well thanks for watching sir!

  • @carlosnevarez4003
    @carlosnevarez4003 4 года назад +8

    Chinese History always fascinated me. Very dynamic and when Wars were fought, they didn't field thousands of troops. No, they fielded 10s of thousands of poor souls.

    • @mxn1948
      @mxn1948 4 года назад +3

      heck in some wars/battles, entire male population of 14-45 in entire regions was drafted.

    • @zhenhuaxue9468
      @zhenhuaxue9468 3 года назад +2

      After the eight princes, it’s even more terrifying. You can imagine that in the Game of Thrones, The white walkers invasion was successful, and different races began to slaughter each other for 200 years

  • @Capodraste
    @Capodraste 4 года назад +2

    So entertaining and fascinating, these videos

  • @dzpower189
    @dzpower189 4 года назад

    thank you for this great work

  • @sirmento3047
    @sirmento3047 4 года назад +10

    Another dope video you guys deserve more subs

  • @vankrou873
    @vankrou873 4 года назад +4

    I asked for this!!!! Thank you for responding!!!

  • @virusguy5611
    @virusguy5611 4 года назад

    I was wondering when you guys were going to make a vid. Was not disappointed

  • @mattgrandich3977
    @mattgrandich3977 2 года назад +2

    Love the artwork in this video.

  • @lozo9637
    @lozo9637 4 года назад +6

    For me, Chinese history is complex with many coups , treasure and others.
    I like this video because it simplified perfectly how things worked there.

  • @akanbioluyomi8826
    @akanbioluyomi8826 4 года назад +1

    I just love the graphics... Illustrative and Educative.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад

      thanks for watching!

  • @skymanlee
    @skymanlee 4 года назад +1

    Great video I've ever seen about eight princes chaos as a Chinese. Thanks and please carry on.

  • @whm_w8833
    @whm_w8833 4 года назад +126

    Dude GOT is a joke compare to this.

    • @peteryu9620
      @peteryu9620 4 года назад +3

      Agreed.

    • @joeldiao3215
      @joeldiao3215 4 года назад +24

      Then there's a Sixteen Kingdoms era right after this 8 princes period. Even more exciting and complicating stories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen_Kingdoms

  • @vincently2552
    @vincently2552 4 года назад +16

    Jin Dynasty (Sima family's branch) = Post-Three Kingdoms

    • @zeflute4586
      @zeflute4586 4 года назад +4

      And eventually 16 kingdoms

  • @canikillyoupls
    @canikillyoupls Год назад +2

    My one of the favorite dynasty

  • @nasseralbloushi9543
    @nasseralbloushi9543 4 года назад

    More of Three Kingdoms documentaries please. 10/10 :D

  • @thibaultletricheur1884
    @thibaultletricheur1884 4 года назад +10

    There is a little mistake at 12:11 in the tree, Sima Lun was the (youngest) son of Sima Yi, not Sima Yan.
    No evocation of the conquest of Wu in 280AD, too bad. This fact changed also the nature of the reign of Wu Di Jin who became less concern by ruling.
    But very good video as usual.

  • @feelsgoodman9751
    @feelsgoodman9751 4 года назад +37

    Cao Mao and Cao Huan were child emperors, you made it look like they were 40 year old puppet emperors lol.

    • @fabiolaiiludwigvonhoffenhe2264
      @fabiolaiiludwigvonhoffenhe2264 4 года назад +6

      Cao Mao was a teenager puppet, he led his lifeguard to attack Sima Zhao. Cao Fang and Cao Huan are the child puppets.

    • @feelsgoodman9751
      @feelsgoodman9751 4 года назад +5

      @@fabiolaiiludwigvonhoffenhe2264 Cao Mao was enthroned aged 13-14 and died at 19, that's still a child emperor, besides when he got to the throne, the Sima clan was already in control

    • @delhanpan6962
      @delhanpan6962 3 года назад

      Additionally, King of Runan Sima Liang and King of Zhao Sima Lun were both the uncle of Sima Yan, and were old men, more than 50. King of Chu Sima Wei is only 20 when he died. Among eight princes, only three of them are the Sons of Sima Yan, other are all his cousins, uncles and a nephew.

    • @nobblkpraetorian5623
      @nobblkpraetorian5623 3 года назад +1

      @@feelsgoodman9751 Gotta give credit to him for trying to do something about his situation when he was still a teenager, maybe he would've succeeded if he waited until he became an adult.

  • @vueher4965
    @vueher4965 4 года назад +1

    Wow. Keeps getting better. Keep it up

  • @KHK001
    @KHK001 4 года назад +1

    Perfect! As always 😃

  • @ericyuen1988
    @ericyuen1988 4 года назад +4

    Actually, it is just the first half of the story. Later, more princes raised to "save" Emperor Hui and completed the status of being regent. Prince Ying of Chengdu released Liu Yuan, who was the son of a leading Xiongnu tribe, and caused the uprising of Xiongnu. However, the princes were still fighting for the power until Prince Yue of Donghai won. At the same year of the end of the War of the Eight Princes, Liu Yuan crowned himself "Emperor of Han" which started the age of Sixteen Kingdoms.

  • @quattrosaltiinpadellaconbu7143
    @quattrosaltiinpadellaconbu7143 4 года назад +3

    Can you make a video about Matilda of Tuscany and one about ancient Ligurians? there are two stories very interesting that few know. Thank you very much for yourk work, every your video is amazing!

  • @markuhler2664
    @markuhler2664 4 года назад +1

    Excellent video & thanks for the family trees to help understand who was betraying whom.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад

      thanks for watching!

  • @AAABBB-fq8mj
    @AAABBB-fq8mj 4 года назад +1

    Some amazing artwork in this video, big ups to whoever did it.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад +1

      Me and happy you liked my friend! thanks for watching!

  • @DirtCobaine
    @DirtCobaine 2 года назад +5

    I honestly love these sponsored videos. I love starting a new total war game (Because I finally got a my first gaming pc and hadn’t played a total war game besides the first Rome and medieval 2. But I’ve been obsessed with them and I like to look up the history of the games because as someone who loves to learn about history it gets me more excited to play the game. So like I always have something to be excited about every single day

  • @johnleyja4895
    @johnleyja4895 4 года назад +4

    What a great video wasn’t planning on buying the game but after seeing this video think I’ll give it a shot 👍🏼

  • @KenjiMaestro
    @KenjiMaestro 4 года назад

    Great video. Keep it up

  • @Damonistique
    @Damonistique 4 года назад +2

    Great video! So sad that my computer can't handle this part of Total War.
    Btw, it's easier to follow when you get into details.

  • @adaw2d3222
    @adaw2d3222 4 года назад +10

    Chinese history is almost unknown to me. Thanks for this brief look!

  • @eliad6543
    @eliad6543 4 года назад +10

    I absolutely love Chinese history and this is one of your best ones yet.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад +1

      thanks for watching!

  • @utisumiati8088
    @utisumiati8088 4 года назад +2

    Nice move, i loved both total war and kings & generals

  • @calebgoodfellowcg
    @calebgoodfellowcg 4 года назад +1

    I absolutely love the art style for this video.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 4 года назад

      thanks for watching!