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3. Who Are The 24 Elders - Pr. Stephen Bohr - Who Are The 24 Elders - The 24 Elders
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- Опубликовано: 14 ноя 2018
- There has been much discussion in the Seventh-day Adventist church about the identity of the 24 elders. Some believe that they represent those who resurrected with Jesus. Others believe that they are the highest of angels. Who is this select group and what is their function in the heavenly courts? What lessons do they teach us regarding God's mode of operating the universe? What future role will they play according to the book of Revelation? These and other questions are clearly answered in this ground-breaking series.
Titles:
Mission Accomplished
The Return of the War Hero
Who Are The 24 Elders?
Earth's Two Representatives
Redeemed From The Earth?
Future History and Functions
Hands down, the question that people most frequently ask Secrets Unsealed is: Who are the 24 elders and what role do they play in heaven? What do we know for certain about this group? Are they the first-fruits that came forth from the tomb when Jesus resurrected? Will we ever have the opportunity of meeting them? Do they have any role in the administration of the universe? What lessons can we learn from the work that they perform? There are many surprises packed up in this five-part series. You will find certain answers from the Scriptures and the Spirit of Prophecy!
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I thank for Pr. S. Bohr. He has made many things clear for me.
I have been trying to understand the chapter for long now it's clear praise God 👏
Thanks to God for humble,fearing and honest teachers. We really need this type of great news....Thank you Jesus❤
Yes, yes, yes!!!!!!
Praises and thanks God , Pastor its very clear sermon, knowing its a Spirit filled messages...thanks too pastor for this powerful end time message.
Thank you Pastor for your wonderful message and explanation,my God bless your soul and your ministry 🙏🏾
Praise,honor,wisdom and dominion be unto the One who sits upon the throne and unto the Lamb forever end ever. Thanks pastor for accepting the Spirit of God to use you for the blessing of many.
God bless you Pastor Bohr, thank you for your testimony and for fighting for God
A Spirit filled message. Gods richest blessings . May you continue preaching the message of salvation with power and authority in Jesus Christ.
This is the first time I hear you. I am so impressed! Thank you! God bless you !
Now, you being "impressed", the first and main goal of this business was reached! The second and also important step is you must pay for know the rest of the story🙂
Selling the Word of God was, is, and will be the most profitable business in this planet! Go ahead, and contribute to it!🙂
@@trakerelcaminante517 If u go to their channel, you'll see a lot of free materials, very impressive and useful materials. There are only a few of them that are being sold, and after some time they release them for free. While I agree that many people usually turn religion into a profitable business, I don't think it is a profitable business as u describe it in this particular case. Imagine the expenses they have for recording video and sound in such a good quality, the space needed, the team, etc... It is biblical and very correct that they can eat from the ministry of the word of God. If u go and spend $30 in having dinner then you will flush it off the toilet some hours later, and you come here and comment against collaborating to pay the bills and expenses so that many millions of souls can be fed with the bread of life, then I can't but believe that u just didn't get the whole gospel, and like the pastor said, u are from the group that read the bible with the intention of find mistakes. This is a sad situation, but don't take this personally, just think about it and ask God for forgiveness, and get implicated in the work of spreading the gospel, to be found doing your job, and well administrating the goods that God trusted you.
Traker El Caminante - Shame on you. You speak the lies of Satan.
@@trakerelcaminante517 Buy the Truth and sell it not...the parable was told about a certain man who found treasure in a certain field, he sold all that he had and bought the field.
Why wouldn't support a ministry which preaches the truth?
If you were blessed by Stephen Bohr, you also will like Doug Batchelor and Walter Veith, check them out sister, you will be blessed! 🫶🏻🙏🏻
He's a wonderful teacher. I trust he'll receive a reward from GOD for the great job he did/does.
Amen❤
Were going to be equal with the Angels!!! WOW AMAZING!!!!!
It’s an honer to probe that god is a ratious god by our deeds to show the hole universe and it willingly give my life for him at the same time I wish I was one of his angel who never knew was sin is . At the same time our blessing are goin to be where far to those of don’t know or never knew sin and have conquered it. It’s a tough life but we can only do it thru Jesus Chris our savior . Sorry for not been up to t he challenge and will die happy knowing that I have seen you my god because I do not deserve no mercy because I’m a sinner. May you have mercy on me knowing that I am a failure in your commandments
God forgives all of our scene but we must be hold nails on her hands jesus is the truly son of god, god blees forever brother.
Ang mga pangitain, mga panaginip, mga patalinghagang silita ni Jesus mga pangyayari na maypagpapahiwatig at lahat na mga pinag pakitaan nang ispiritu nang kanyang mga nais. Ito ang kasalukuyan at hinaharap o mga magyayari na kailangang hanapin nang tao at ganapin. Gawin ninyo ito nang maayos kong nais ninyo nang magpakailan man na manatili sa lupa. Ito ang propisiya !
Very powerful, well explained...
Am really inspired by this powerful message
God bless you pastor
This is a very powerful sermon! Just think of the other implications. God gave to Adam, and to us his seed, the privilege of repopulating Heaven. I believe this is why it says in the scripture, happy is the man that has his quiver full of children. Think how Satan has Twisted this around to foil God's plan with the Millions of babies that are aborted every year. Truly God's heart must be grieved by all of this. When you think of the precious privilege of bringing a child into this world to stand in heaven as a representative, how precious is that opportunity that has been given to that parent.
I think there's a whole new layer to this sermon that could be added with all of the plans and privileges that God had fot Parenthood.
By the god grace pastor
When Ellen White did a verbal prophecy, she did not breath during the whole time. She also held up a 18 pound Bible with her arms stretched forward. And her heart did nor beat when she was in vision. I’ll also add that she was a little itty bitty person of size.
I agree with the pastor Bohr that the purpose of marriage was procreating, but it is not the only one. There is a bigger and more important one that I wished him to mention, and that's to exemplify the relation between Jesus and his people, like a groom and his bride. Someone will say that this purpose was only after the fall, but I believe God didn't improvise, but He knew that the humans will fall, so he created us in a way that he can reveal himself to us and we understood it by seeing the very nearest symbols in our reality, one of which is the marriage. Because the plan of salvation was originated before any being was created, including angels. This is very profound and needs some meditation about it because it suggests things like predestination and many other. But when clarified all that, this truth can put an order in families like nothing can, knowing their very deep purpose, and accepting the role that God has given to each member of it, and both submitting to God. We wouldn't have so much separation and discussions about roles if we understood both institutions of the creation.
Filip Balt Visuals , amen! Right on! Thank you! We need to greatly support and build marriages in Jesus
Filip Balt Visuals - He mentions even more than that about marriage. The unity of man and wife is also an example of the Godhead’s complete union in nature, character and purpose, and he has in other lectures mentioned the same relationship between Christ and His church. We use be of ONE mind with Christ. We must ‘put on’ Christ completely.
Amen!, and the fact that husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it demonstrates another dimension of that exemplary relationship that explains the God head, and I believe includes Gods whole creation in that relationship. Its a family!
Thank you I believe it in bible I want it it not I dont want it you got read it it true he giving u scripture lord make everything in words clear if you have eyes to see or to hear good job stay on bible lord tell us
Thank you for working for the Lord. Keep strong
Makes more sense!
God bless
Love it! Such a beautiful study!❤
Oh yes thank God for that explains
Amen! Interesting
Hallelujah
Hebrews 1:5 says for to which of the angels did He ever say you are my son ?
The crowns are not kingly crowns they are crowns of victory. So they must be the redeemed from the earth that were raised at Jesus’ resurrection and were His trophies that He took to heaven with Him at His ascension.
The Bible does not say that the Sons Of GOD were "governing" their own planets so I think that's putting our own spin on it BUT I love Pastor Bohr and I learned VERY much from him. Just because we don't agree on one thing, that's no reason to not listen to Pastor Bohr. Why throw out the baby with the bath water? We can disagree but still be GOD children, each of us. I'll always love him and look back on all the wonderful times I learned......
Amen @jeankeats3200 I believe the 24 elders represent Us all symbolic human beings Jesus Promises to us in the 7 Churches! But, this shouldn't be a salvation issue! So Same as U love pastor Bhor and pastor Rafferty!!! Just my study of this is our Robes and Crowns He promised to overcoming God bless U God bless both Pastors 💞🙏
For those who question that the 24 elders were not redeemed but rather were angels is not convincing because some believe the word redeemed was a mistranslation of kjv text in Rev 5:9. Well how sinuous explain this with the Strings concordance on the word redrrmed:
Original: ἀγοράζω
Transliteration: agorazō
Phonetic: ag-or-ad'-zo
Thayer Definition:
to be in the market place, to attend it
to do business there, buy or sell
of idle people: to haunt the market place, lounge there
Origin: from G58
TDNT entry: 03:04,2
Part(s) of speech: Verb
Strong's Definition: From G58; properly to go to market, that is, (by implication) to purchase ; specifically to redeem: - buy, redeem.
If the 24 Elders are composed of 12 Tribes of Israel plus 12 Apostles, then why is it that Apostle John did not recognize that he is one of those 24 Elders?
Did christ die for Angels or for representatives of unfallen worlds?
Revelation 5:8-10
[8]And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
[9]And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
[10]And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Did you watch the whole seminar before you offered your opinion?...didn't pastor bohr distinctly say watch the 3 seminar to recieve the complete picture?.....
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So what do the other beings from the other worlds look like? If they are not human beings like us, what are they?
I have question--I'm not really sure where I can ask it so I'm going to do it here:
"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." (Revelation 5:8-10).
Please explain this verse in light of the 24 Elders being angels because here is implies that they are actually human beings.
PLEASE READ, VERY IMPORTANT.
There are 2 types of representatives here:
1. The representatives of the unfallen worlds.
2. Those raised with Him as representatives of that great multitude who shall come forth from the grave at His second coming. "The 24 elders are part of this group."
READ BELOW
There is the throne, and around it the rainbow of promise. There are cherubim and seraphim. The commanders of the angel hosts, the sons of God, the representatives of the unfallen worlds, are assembled. The heavenly council before which Lucifer had accused God and His Son, the representatives of those sinless realms over which Satan had thought to establish his dominion,--all are there to welcome the Redeemer. They are eager to celebrate His triumph and to glorify their King. {DA 834.1}
But He waves them back. Not yet; He cannot now receive the coronet of glory and the royal robe. He enters into the presence of His Father. He points to His wounded head, the pierced side, the marred feet; He lifts His hands, bearing the print of nails. He points to the tokens of His triumph; He presents to God the wave sheaf, those raised with Him as representatives of that great multitude who shall come forth from the grave at His second coming. He approaches the Father, with whom there is joy over one sinner that repents; who rejoices over one with singing. Before the foundations of the earth were laid, the Father and the Son had united in a covenant to redeem man if he should be overcome by Satan. They had clasped Their hands in a solemn pledge that Christ should become the surety for the human race. This pledge Christ has fulfilled. When upon the cross He cried out, "It is finished," He addressed the Father. The compact had been fully carried out. Now He declares: Father, it is finished. I have done Thy will, O My God. I have completed the work of redemption. If Thy justice is satisfied, "I will that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am." John 19:30; 17:24. {DA 834.2}
you should watch the previous video titled the return of the war hero the second series video about the 24 elders.
@@esthero6549 yeh. But what is the answer to his question?
PLEASE READ, VERY IMPORTANT.
There are 2 types of representatives here:
1. The representatives of the unfallen worlds.
2. Those raised with Him as representatives of that great multitude who shall come forth from the grave at His second coming. "The 24 elders are part of this group."
READ BELOW
There is the throne, and around it the rainbow of promise. There are cherubim and seraphim. The commanders of the angel hosts, the sons of God, the representatives of the unfallen worlds, are assembled. The heavenly council before which Lucifer had accused God and His Son, the representatives of those sinless realms over which Satan had thought to establish his dominion,--all are there to welcome the Redeemer. They are eager to celebrate His triumph and to glorify their King. {DA 834.1}
But He waves them back. Not yet; He cannot now receive the coronet of glory and the royal robe. He enters into the presence of His Father. He points to His wounded head, the pierced side, the marred feet; He lifts His hands, bearing the print of nails. He points to the tokens of His triumph; He presents to God the wave sheaf, those raised with Him as representatives of that great multitude who shall come forth from the grave at His second coming. He approaches the Father, with whom there is joy over one sinner that repents; who rejoices over one with singing. Before the foundations of the earth were laid, the Father and the Son had united in a covenant to redeem man if he should be overcome by Satan. They had clasped Their hands in a solemn pledge that Christ should become the surety for the human race. This pledge Christ has fulfilled. When upon the cross He cried out, "It is finished," He addressed the Father. The compact had been fully carried out. Now He declares: Father, it is finished. I have done Thy will, O My God. I have completed the work of redemption. If Thy justice is satisfied, "I will that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am." John 19:30; 17:24. {DA 834.2}
Angels were not redeemed!
Amen
(Revelation 5:8-10) "And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. {9} And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; {10} And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."
Are the 24 elders redeemed out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation? Were they made unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."? Or are they representatives from other worlds?
I just the exact same question. I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that.
The phrase of "every kindred and tongue, and people, and nation" appears seven times in Revelation. It has a concept of worldwide. 24 Elders sing a new song, which is the song of redemption, that the blood of Christ "made us kings and priests." If they are singing the redemption song, how could they be representatives of angels who would rule un-fallen worlds(?). 24 Elders also sing "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created" (Rev. 4:11). Basically what they are saying is that they understood the purpose of God's creation of mankind when they witness the judgment in heaven after they came from the earth. So they throw their crowns before the feet of Jesus who gave Himself for us to redeem. 24 Elders wear "stefenous" crown which depicts the victory of overcomer. They would not have worshipped God without Jesus' presence there on the throne "behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne (Rev. 4:2)."
When you observe seven choir teams in heaven, it is easier to understand that 24 Elders are the representatives from the earth. Heaven is intensely interested to bring the saints and join them together to worship God. Two more groups of heavenly choir teams are missing in Rev. Chapter 4-5 and the missing groups can be found in Chapter 7: the great multitude and 144,000, which will make perfect seven choir teams of heaven. We only can find five teams in Rev. 4-5: (1)the throne of God, (2)the four living creatures, (3)24 Elders, (4)the host of angels and (5)every creatures in heaven.
bill archbold good question and when Christ ascended He refused to be inaugurated without the first fruits, so they are somewhere in that throne room, I believe the 24 elders would be the representatives of firstfruits among the redeemed.
You answered your question with Scripture. So clear why would we believe Pr Bohr and explain it away otherwise.
He addressed that , you would have to watch all the series, however in short, he said the kjv for that is the incorrect translation.
Perhaps the 24 Elders were the Prophets of God such as NOAH, ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB, MOSES, ELIJAH, EZRAH, DANIEL, JEREMIAH, ISAIAH, JOB, JOEL, OBADIAH, MALACHI, HAGGAI, ZACHARIAH, EZEKIEL, JONAH, NAHUM, ZEPHANIAH, HABAKUK, MICAH, AMOS, and JOHN THE BAPTIST...
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So I am wondering if the 24 elders are angels and dont procreate and they were created before us, then why Satan went to their world to tempt them to fall too? Then afterwards this world was created differently where Adam and Eve were to procreate to replace the fallen angels lost in heaven.......?
Mon R - Satan went to all of the worlds to try and convince them to join his rebellion. He thought he could most of God’s subjects to side with him. However, since Calvary, Satan no longer has access to any world but ours, and he actually lost his dominion of our world at Calvary (Jesus redeemed it for us as our brother, just like he can rightly redeem us, too - Read Levitical law about redemption); however, he will not be taken out of the way until all has been accomplished by God. I do agree with you and believe that our ability to procreate (and no other created being has this ability) is partially for replenishing the Heavenly subjects (angel beings) that God lost due to Satan’s lies. I remember hearing a sermon about this when I was young (nearly 69 now) - but I have never heard one since, until right now by Pastor Bohr’s lecture. It sure convinced me when I heard it, because I always wondered why the KJV used the word replenish and no other version does. The KJV is also the only one that says God created the heaven and the earth, and all other versions have the word heaven as plural. I wonder if the original manuscript has the singular form of the Hebrew word for heaven or the plural???
Kindly give me One name among The 24 elders
Greetings, I am enjoying this series!
I have a question though. In around minute 3 Pastor Bohr mentioned that the seven lamps which are the Seven Spirits of God represent the fullness of the Holy Spirit but when you go to Revelation 5:6 the Bible says that "a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes" are the Seven Spirits of God.
The HolySpirit sent in His fullness to the Earth from the day of Pentecost, is the Lamb’s eyes and presence (Christ’s eyes and presence) on Earth with His disciples. The Holy Spirit is Christ representative (John chapters 14 and 15), as Christ can’t Himself be on Earth with us, since He is bound to the glorified Human flesh, since His incarnation and resurrection, whilst He is ministering for us in Heaven.
Hope this helps
Better do a study on the sanctuary then ....
EG WHITE IN VISION SAW SOME OF THE SAME EVENTS IN REVELATION 4 AND 5 BUT WAS ATTENDED BY AN ANGEL, MORE THAN LIKELY GABRIEL , SHE WAS LIKE THE REPORTER AT EVENTS IN HEAVEN BY VISION , THAT WAS SHOW THINGS IN THE FUTURE BY ANGELS .
Pastor as read in the book of Job 2: 1 - 2 that satan present himself to God ,my question is "until then that satan can go to heaven and present himself to God, until then that satan has an access to heaven and roam around the whole universe?"
Mi piacerebbe sentire traduzione in italiano
THE 24 ELDERS THAT HAVE ON WHITE ROBES AND THE CROWN OF GOLD, VICTORY ARE NOT ANGELS
Stanley Yurth - Cheap shot. Where are your Biblical proofs? The Bible & Ellen White say otherwise. Why don’t you listen to ALL of his lectures on this topic before you make such a arrogant comment - in all caps, too - which is very rude. You have done nothing but prove you are unteachable. A closed mind is a DEAD mind because no light can enter. Open your heart & mind to the Holy Spirit’s instruction. Test your spirit and find out whose you actually house.
They were redeemed. Implying they were once lost.
Rev 5:8-9 KJV 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
@@dantequiba1512 he addresed that as well. U might have missed it. He said that was a mistranslation.
I will put my trust in pastor bohr thanks ...and I've been studying the BIBLE for 12 years ....
Start your own channel and teach your limited understanding of the bible to whomever is willing to be deceived by you....
You are in a fearsome position to teach falsehoods to decieve...you will be held accountable on judgement day ....
@Stanley Yurth You are correct! These are first fruits including Enoch,Moses,Elijah and those that our Lord took with him to heaven.Ellen White wrote they were redeemed among various nations of the earth.
Pastor Bohr you're wrong. The 24 elders were redeemed.
Rev 5:8-9 KJV 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
So I'm listening to this from Jamaica 🇯🇲 and my friend Michael Thompson and I always debate who the 24 elders are. firstly this is my opinion
1.Enoch
2.Methuselah
3.Noah
4.Abraham
5.Isaac
6.Jacob
7.Moses
8.Joshua
9.Othniel
10.Gideon
11.Barak
12.Jephtah
13.Deborah
14.Samuel
15.Elijah
16.Elisha
17.Jeremiah
18.isaiah
19.Micaiah
20.Nathan
21.John the Baptist
22.Paul
23.Peter
24.David (maybe)
Maybe because David shed's the blood of men he could be replaced by Prophets like Micah and Malachi and Obadiah etc
Cannot be ,, they sleep in the dust except for Enoch, Elijah and moses...
Pastor bohr said to watch the whole 3 seminars to get the full picture...
@@grahamchan6327 revelations stated the 12 apostles would judge isreal maybe it's the twelve apostles along with the 12 patriarchs of Isreal but I will watch it thanks
What is the name of the 4living creatures,the name of 24 elders or kings and the name of the 7 spirits of god?
If sons of God in Genesis 6 are from Seth lineage, how do you explain the giants
jobs household had men that were godly and a few times a year they would present themselves before the lord---those are the sons of god
Pastor Bohr I need a prepared copy on this topic
REV22:8 THE BOOK OF REVELATION THE INFORMATION FROM JESUS WAS GIVEN TO JOHN BY AN ANGEL SO THE INFORMATION FROM JESUS ON REV 4 AND 5 WAS GIVEN TO EG WHITE BY AN ANGEL .
Thanks for sharing. With this, are you simply saying that there are unfallen created beings that are interceding for saints, without partaking of the flesh and blood (Revelation 5:8)? If this is so, where else do we find this in scripture, so that in the account of a second witness, this matter will be established?
Does it really take 3-4 sermons to answer one question? who has that time
Can we extrapolate then that there are 25 worlds including Earth?
Neg Ste. Lucie - No, because the number is symbolic only. There are no doubt many, many more that 24. We will all find out soon enough - the saved will anyway. The saved will be those that do only the will of the Father because they DIE to self and allow the Holy Spirit to transform them back into the image of God - which means we will have his character attributes. We must be righteous and holy or will not be fit subjects for the kingdom of God.
Perhaps the powerful 'angels' could represent more than one planet each. It happens that Satan thought himself representative of the earth, a one planet. So No.
25:07 in this area quotation that he gives its not there in the book the story of redemption, p.29 the commanders of the angel hosts, the sons of God, the representatives of the unfallen world (revelation 4:4)
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I have been trying to find the quote regarding "the commanders of angel hosts" in the book, The Story of Redemption. I am looking in my Kindle version and in EW App o her writings. I cannot find it connected to The Story of Redemption. ???? Is your reference SR p 29 correct or is the hard copy different????
if ADAMS THRONE AS THE SON OF GOD WAS LOST TO SATAN BECAUSE ADAM FELL THE REST OF THE SONS OF GOD ARE NOT ANGELS BECAUSE ADAM WAS NOT AN ANGEL
ANGELS ARE MESSENGERS NOT ELDERS
Stanley Yurth - Elders are messengers, as well. They relay messages to God about the realm they have dominion over.
The pastor is putting Ellen White above the Bible.
Billy Graham said it so it must be right. Maybe he's right about the state of the dead too and the sanctity of Sunday.
Neg Ste. Lucie - You are behaving totally obtuse and unreasonable. Just throw the baby out with the bath water, why don’t ya. He is only showing there are other teachers that have come to the same conclusion as he has. Plus, we have confirmation by the Prophet Jesus himself raised up in his remnant church.
Billy Graham was a phony, a wolf in sheep's clothing, guilty of heinous sins behind closed doors and a sold out to satan.
Billy Graham was wrong about many things. He also said he knew that the Sabbath was on Saturday, but if he started teaching it he would lose his following. He also taught the pre-tribulation rapture, which was incorrect as well. He also taught many other errors as well.
Billy Graham was also 33 degree freemason.
When is the next series coming out
Let's the teacher read 1chronicales 24
Sure sounds like you are twisting things to fit your view point
That's odd Mark Finley says the 24 elders are ot resurrected saints.
@ stephen bohr can we imply that the second coming of Christ is the end of human function of unique and distinct order.
The reference of the Son of God in Genesis being referred to as the sons of Cain came from Julian the Apostate in the 3rd to 4th century AD and he was trying to criticize Christianity he was a pagan philosopher from Greece who brought up the Seth eyed view as a way to argue with the known view at the time which was by the original pure church that the sons of god were angels it wasn't until Julie and the apostate came with his apostate past state theories that changed the view from angels to the sons of Seth Sometimes 7th day adventists are so keen on Ellen white that they don't interpret scripture for scripture they interpret scripture according to Ellen white the fact remains that the satellite view came from an apostate pagan man to confront Christianity and to make a mockery of it and now the 7th day Adventist church uses it as fact 2nd of all his never mind his reference to Hawaiian can be referred to as Christ or lion can be referred to as Babylon, those were prophecies. The sons of God narrative from Genesis is not a prophecy it is a direct statement of history you cannot compare Prophetic symbolism with direct statements of biblical history You would think Stephen bore being such a brilliant theologian would have told you about Julian the Apostate but he didn't bring it up because he wanted you to believe the Ellen white interpretation
Mi dispiace che non ci sia la traduzione in italiano verbale
I honestly believe in the Bible but not in Ellen white interpretation of the Bible, I never read in the Bible that the elders are angels.
24 elders 12 tribes of Israel an the 12 apostles
3 ABN Q & A says the 24 elders are ot resurrected saints. I don't think they believe Mr Bohr or Ellen White.
THERE HAS TO BE MORE THAN 24 THAT REPRESENT THE VAST UNFALLEN , WORLDS THOSE SINLESS REALMS
Stanley Yurth - Pastor Bohr knows this and says so. The number 24 is only symbolic. Stop with your rude CAPS. You always leave Pharisaical comments.
The 24 elders are not angels. They are humans souls being redeemed to God by the blood of Jesus and are made kings and priests by Christ to reign on earth in the millennium...read😇 (Rev5:9-10)...ssD
8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Rev 5:8-10.
If we conclude that the 24 elders are human souls, then we must also conclude that the 4 beasts are human souls based on verse 8.
The use of the word PLANET should be avoided because the sons of God don't come from there but unfallen worlds.
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REV 5:8-10 SHOWS THAT THE FOR BEASTS AND 24 ELDERS WILL REIGN ON THE EARTH AS KINGS AND PRIESTS NOT ANGELS FROM UNFALLEN WORLDS
Stanley Yurth - Well, listen to his other lectures with open ears. The KJV is an erroneous translation. The Bible cannot be broken and if a verse seems to contradict, one must check the original language manuscript to be sure the translation is correct. The newer versions have it correct - only the KJV and the NKJV have it wrong. We must be good students of the Bible to show ourselves approved.
The 24 elders are not angels,...
The 24 elders are the advisory council of God. These are divine beings created by God before the creation of angels. They are not what people are insinuating. Genesis is not the beginning of God . The earliest description of God in time and point of his existence in the Bible, is John 1 v 1. That is to say that there are other creations of God not known to man. Man is the least created being by God but different. It is only in the creation of man that God decided to reproduce himself. This is one thing that God is doing which he never did regarding the order creations. The issue of the 24 elders has nothing to do with what people are trying to insinuate. They are just there as the advisory council of God. They are the ones that receives the prayers of the people of God in order to present them to God for answers. If your prayer is not received by them, don't ever expect any answer to your prayers from God. People don't even understand who really is God. He does as he likes whatever he wants to do. He can use the angels in various ways in doing his purposes. It was not Satan that answered God when he asked the question of who could entice Ahab that he may go to Ramothgilead and fall. God said in his word that he created good and evil. That, says volumes regarding the ways of God not known to men. These 24 elders have other roles perform by God gives them to perform according to his plan.
Early WRITINGS , IN CHAPTER THE EARTH DESOLATED , PAGE 290 AND 291 , THEN I SAW THRONES , AND JESUS AND THE REDEEMED SAINTS SAT UPON THEM ; AND THE SAINTS REIGNED AS KINGS AND PRIESTS UNTO GOD , THIS IS THE SAME AS REV 5:9-10 AS THE REDEEMED AND THE 24 ELDERS AS TO WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING IN HEAVEN , AND THEN ON THE EARTH . THE 24 ELDERS ARE REDEEMED SAINTS FROM THE EARTH .
Christ is the lion of the tribe of juda.. The devil is like a lion, there is a defference there.
Jesus said that the redeemed in heaven will not marry, but will be like angels, replacing the fallen angels. So the redeemed in heaven could be call angels.
Also the plan of redemption makes the redeemed higher than the angels( the angels work for our salvation knowing that the redeemed will occupy a higher position then them) so these powerful angels or commanding angels or 24 elders could be redeemed from the earth.
They are described as occupying the position of kings(seating on thrones) and priests (having vials with the prayers of saints) office that is exclusively promised to those on earth that overcome sin through the power of God.
Only the redeemed are qualified to seat with Christ in his throne because of their dual nature as Christ's.
This position Lucifer desired to have, but he and no other created angel was qualified to be the connector between God the Father and the created beings, because did not posses the divine nature. Only Christ could fulfill this role because he was God incarnate in an Angel, the Archangel.
Man fell into sin and the redemption work brings him higher than when he was created sinless, being made partaker of divine nature. That is why the redeemed have the qualification necessary to seat in the throne with Jesus in heaven.
We know that Enoch, Moses and Elijah were taken up in heaven to minister as kings and priests according to the promise.
It stands to reason that the Elders must be redeemed from the earth. Those that went up at accession must have joined in with the Elders as kings and priests. And so will all the redeemed at resurection.
Priesthood in the absence of sin will change its focus and character.
Ezekiel: God told him "the lord", bc his Jewish people were being lost and sinful that bc of that he should eat off of poop, cow poop. The devil plays God hes going to die he has nothing to lose! Be careful what u believe. there are many Earths in TIME.
Read the book of Enoch find an old proper version . Read the Story of Creation. Sumerian of Mesopotamia
WRONG!!! Elijah and Enoch are TWO OF THE 24 ELDERS. At Jesus TRANSFIGURATION who was there? Moses and Elijah!!! Therefore MOSES is ONE of the 24 elders. Stop teaching NONSENSE!!! There are LITERALLY 24 elders. The lampstands represents the CHURCH see Revelation 1:20
PLEASE READ, VERY IMPORTANT.
There are 2 types of representatives here:
1. The representatives of the unfallen worlds.
2. Those raised with Him as representatives of that great multitude who shall come forth from the grave at His second coming. "The 24 elders are part of this group."
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There is the throne, and around it the rainbow of promise. There are cherubim and seraphim. The commanders of the angel hosts, the sons of God, the representatives of the unfallen worlds, are assembled. The heavenly council before which Lucifer had accused God and His Son, the representatives of those sinless realms over which Satan had thought to establish his dominion,--all are there to welcome the Redeemer. They are eager to celebrate His triumph and to glorify their King. {DA 834.1}
But He waves them back. Not yet; He cannot now receive the coronet of glory and the royal robe. He enters into the presence of His Father. He points to His wounded head, the pierced side, the marred feet; He lifts His hands, bearing the print of nails. He points to the tokens of His triumph; He presents to God the wave sheaf, those raised with Him as representatives of that great multitude who shall come forth from the grave at His second coming. He approaches the Father, with whom there is joy over one sinner that repents; who rejoices over one with singing. Before the foundations of the earth were laid, the Father and the Son had united in a covenant to redeem man if he should be overcome by Satan. They had clasped Their hands in a solemn pledge that Christ should become the surety for the human race. This pledge Christ has fulfilled. When upon the cross He cried out, "It is finished," He addressed the Father. The compact had been fully carried out. Now He declares: Father, it is finished. I have done Thy will, O My God. I have completed the work of redemption. If Thy justice is satisfied, "I will that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am." John 19:30; 17:24. {DA 834.2}
bill archbold thank you 🙏🏾
The 24 elders (Sons of God=Powerful Commanding Angels) are representatives from the unfallen worlds. Read Revelation 4-5. They were there, already in Heaven with the four beast around the Father before chapter 5 when Jesus was escorted into Heaven from earth (Mount Olive) with the first fruits offerings or the sheaf wave (Mattew 27:52-53).
@@livingstonesilo9800 Did christ die for Angels or for representatives of unfallen worlds?
Revelation 5:8-10
[8]And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
[9]And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
[10]And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
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On the final statement of verse 8 of (Revelation 5) you see the twenty four elders with the four beast having the prayers of the saints in the golden vials full of incense. They were speaking and pleading our exact prayers, on our behalf, as saints presenting our petitions to God.
They are speaking our language on our behalf and not as first persons for themselves. These twenty four elders are sons of God from unfallen worlds and they're all working for God in harmony with us the saints representing our course to vindicate God's character here on the fallen earth.
@@livingstonesilo9800 Christ died for the 24 elders just as he died for John and the other disciples.
Beings from unfallen worlds do not participate in the plan of salvation. Except for Angels who are ministering spirits.
One of the elders clearly says that Christ died for them.
Revelation 5:9-10
[9]And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
[10]And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
John the revelator:
Revelation 1:5-6
[5]And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
[6]And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
US and the other disciples
1 Peter 2:9
[9]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: