"But you cant count out big leff" "Leffen shutting it down though" As much as i am a plup fan, i hate bias commentators so it was cool when the commentators realized it could become bias and instantly brought it back. Really good shit, made the game for me. Nothing throws a game off like bias, dumb, or offtop commentators.
When prometheus stole fire from the gods, he was punished for all eternity. Zues forced him to be tied to a rock, and eaten by an eagle alive every day. Plup has stolen Armada's fire. He must be punished by the Gods of smash for all eternity. This isn't the natural order of things.
Silvermane777 armada isn't evil dude, he's just insanely good. He is comparatively far better than every other smash player. His existence is a testament to the fact that you can be the goat too if you work hard enough. He really stand for all that MELEE is, and should be.
You're giving him far too much credit here lol, Melee has two sides to it, like any other fighting game. There's execution and then there's the mental game. Armada is a god of execution, as his combo game is unmatched by anyone in the world. BUT he has his flaws, particularly in the mental game. You can see it most clearly when he plays Mango and Mango makes him look silly as hell by baiting out shitty dsmashes or whatever else. Armada is also the asshole that told Smash kids to focus exclusively on the combo game first, then add neutral later. This is NOT the way you're supposed to learn any game. You have to learn everything, with a particular focus on the interactions between you and your opponent. Oh, and Armada is the biggest proponent of modifying our game. Which is fucking evil. He'll never be everything that MELEE is if he convinces us all to not play Melee at majors rofl
Silvermane777 first off, Armada is NOT all punish game. His neutral game is one of the best in the world too. Watch him play leffen, m2k, mango or literally any other player. Mango doesn't always make armada look like a fool. You must have only watched like 1 game of armada ever, huh? Mango does bait out moves, but that's what the games about. Armada has bopped mango more times than I can count. Mango himself even says that getting anything started on armada is super difficult. He's a God in all fronts dude. Also his mental game is easily one of the best. Arguably THE best. He is super composed, super focused, and doesn't get tilted easy at all. He doesn't really even emote much when he plays. That argument is founded on sand dude. Finally he doesn't tell people that they should only work on punish game, that's a straight up lie. Maybe his punish game was so revolutionary when he came into the scene, people started focusing on that, but he has never stood by the neutral game being irrelevant. AND when has he ever suggested a major fundamental change in Melee being needed?? He's easily the most supportive, informative, and new player friendly pro out there now. He regularly comes out with vids to help, and that bring fun life to the community. You have zero basis for your points and have blatantly wrong information.
He got 2nd! That's still really good for a super major. I was hoping he'd get a super major before he got his first major win, but I guess Hbox wouldn't allow that to happen lol
I'm generally not a Leffen fan even though I love his fox. I'm still glad he came so far! Mainly because I think he needed a self-assurance kick to play well.
6:06 {Oh no, Bobby's asking me about frame data again on stream. I bet he'll google it again after the set to prove he was right on this one point.} [Brandon shakes his head regrettably, and remarks with a pained look] "Oh man, my brain's too small."
now that Plup beat Armada I feel like he should clearly be ranked above Leffen on the year-end list, he already had better placings and a better head to head record vs. Leffen. Basically the only thing Leffen had over him was that he had wins on Armada and now Plup does too.
hmm I think I would still put Mango above him (for 3) because Royal Flush was such a huge win and Plup has no wins of that caliber but he does have a strong case vs. M2K for sure
True my dude, I think he's 4th at the moment, though he's most likely only going to be ranked 5th, I think his results will surpass M2K now that he's shown the ability to beat Armada. We'll see what happens to Mango, he's hard to place, certainly this year Mango will be higher but honestly Plup is on route to pass him at some point.
It’s a point that is frequently brought up. It used to be used to dispel the notion that Fox and Falco play the same, and then those same people assume playing Fox and Sheik would feel really different when in fact the jump squat difference is the largest difference in feel of movement.
Leffens and Plup's performance is amazing this tournament! However, Scar should not jump too far here by saying that the old gods are dead. I think they can reach the level of m2k. But they have a long way to go if they come to Hbox and Armadas level. I'm not completely convinced they will get there. At least not soon. To a certain level, I understand that he's only in Scar-hype mode, but it's worth mentioning. Still though, let go Plup! .. and Leffen.
Jared Martin There is no way you can't say Plup is top 4. Has had a more consistent than M2K, and has had higher peaks. Yeah Mang0 might be less consistent but at least he has the peaks. And Leff, he might drop M2K to 6th.
![TBH7 SSBM - [A]rmada (Peach) Vs. C9 Mango (Fox) Melee L.Quarters](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1b4yHX0Kq7c/mqdefault.jpg)
![TBH7 SSBM - [A]rmada (Peach) Vs. C9 Mango (Fox) Melee L.Quarters](/img/tr.png)
The winner's finals no one expected to see
I don't think I've concentrated on anything as intensely as Leffen does in every top 8. Nigga wants to win so bad, got nothing but respect for him.
Plup is that anime character that smiles while he whoops the protagonists ass...in this case it's the antagonist
Why does Plup look so graceful while playing and Leffen looks like hes constipated ? lol
Today I learned that Florida is space animal heavy
besides colbol
I blame NASA.
Hbox
Plup is officially a godslayer
James Smith for slaying a non- god?
Jewlz Cartagena *what?*
... and a godslayer-slayer
James Smith whats so confusing about that?
*god
Leffen vs Plup WF and Hbox vs Armada LS what a beautiful tournament
Wesley Crawford who did armada lose to get to LF?
Diego Salazar he lost to Plup in I believe quarters
PlupW
Wesley Crawford but then grand finals happened
Master Productions dreams were crushed. But Plup will absolutely have more chances in the coming years and Hbox had a hell of a run.
Why does Plup remind me of Loki from The Avengers movie?
Yeah! But he also looks like the happy mask salesman from majora's mask.
Because he's handsome.
The green/black outfit helps
"But you cant count out big leff"
"Leffen shutting it down though"
As much as i am a plup fan, i hate bias commentators so it was cool when the commentators realized it could become bias and instantly brought it back. Really good shit, made the game for me. Nothing throws a game off like bias, dumb, or offtop commentators.
I like Scar's speech at the end about the new gods and plup being one of them. Fuckin right
Who said you were a god?
LucioFresh i know it wasnt plup.
No Samus?! I'm sad.
Smiling while gaming is the best way to not get triggered.
Good shit to Plup, but I'm proud of Leffen for stepping it up. He definitely kept it close. :)
When prometheus stole fire from the gods, he was punished for all eternity. Zues forced him to be tied to a rock, and eaten by an eagle alive every day. Plup has stolen Armada's fire. He must be punished by the Gods of smash for all eternity. This isn't the natural order of things.
Salt
This isn't even remotely comparable considering Armada is pure fucking evil
Silvermane777 armada isn't evil dude, he's just insanely good. He is comparatively far better than every other smash player. His existence is a testament to the fact that you can be the goat too if you work hard enough. He really stand for all that MELEE is, and should be.
You're giving him far too much credit here lol, Melee has two sides to it, like any other fighting game. There's execution and then there's the mental game. Armada is a god of execution, as his combo game is unmatched by anyone in the world. BUT he has his flaws, particularly in the mental game. You can see it most clearly when he plays Mango and Mango makes him look silly as hell by baiting out shitty dsmashes or whatever else. Armada is also the asshole that told Smash kids to focus exclusively on the combo game first, then add neutral later. This is NOT the way you're supposed to learn any game. You have to learn everything, with a particular focus on the interactions between you and your opponent.
Oh, and Armada is the biggest proponent of modifying our game. Which is fucking evil. He'll never be everything that MELEE is if he convinces us all to not play Melee at majors rofl
Silvermane777 first off, Armada is NOT all punish game. His neutral game is one of the best in the world too. Watch him play leffen, m2k, mango or literally any other player. Mango doesn't always make armada look like a fool. You must have only watched like 1 game of armada ever, huh? Mango does bait out moves, but that's what the games about. Armada has bopped mango more times than I can count. Mango himself even says that getting anything started on armada is super difficult. He's a God in all fronts dude. Also his mental game is easily one of the best. Arguably THE best. He is super composed, super focused, and doesn't get tilted easy at all. He doesn't really even emote much when he plays. That argument is founded on sand dude. Finally he doesn't tell people that they should only work on punish game, that's a straight up lie. Maybe his punish game was so revolutionary when he came into the scene, people started focusing on that, but he has never stood by the neutral game being irrelevant. AND when has he ever suggested a major fundamental change in Melee being needed?? He's easily the most supportive, informative, and new player friendly pro out there now. He regularly comes out with vids to help, and that bring fun life to the community. You have zero basis for your points and have blatantly wrong information.
The thumbnail is messed up
Underrated Plup never gets the credit he deserves
Michael Salzle well at least he has this one video
He got 2nd! That's still really good for a super major. I was hoping he'd get a super major before he got his first major win, but I guess Hbox wouldn't allow that to happen lol
That isn't even true... This year since he started playing well he has been praised a shit ton, alot of people even think he should be a god now.
no
Plup has always gotten credit and no one thinks he is underrated.
I'm generally not a Leffen fan even though I love his fox. I'm still glad he came so far! Mainly because I think he needed a self-assurance kick to play well.
1:48 HMW had a stroke
Plup destoys all Sweden that day
Florida-Sweden matchup is 60-40 and that's okay
This is on the wrong website.
6:06 {Oh no, Bobby's asking me about frame data again on stream. I bet he'll google it again after the set to prove he was right on this one point.} [Brandon shakes his head regrettably, and remarks with a pained look]
"Oh man, my brain's too small."
Brandon’s the coolest.
Thumbnail?
now that Plup beat Armada I feel like he should clearly be ranked above Leffen on the year-end list, he already had better placings and a better head to head record vs. Leffen. Basically the only thing Leffen had over him was that he had wins on Armada and now Plup does too.
Vseslav Botkin Top 3-4 Definetly.
hmm I think I would still put Mango above him (for 3) because Royal Flush was such a huge win and Plup has no wins of that caliber but he does have a strong case vs. M2K for sure
Yeah agreed. Leffen hasn't had a good year so far. Only two good tournaments imo (SnS and this)
True my dude, I think he's 4th at the moment, though he's most likely only going to be ranked 5th, I think his results will surpass M2K now that he's shown the ability to beat Armada. We'll see what happens to Mango, he's hard to place, certainly this year Mango will be higher but honestly Plup is on route to pass him at some point.
At this exact point, I'd have Plup at 5th (lol memes) and M2K at 4th because of Canada Cup.
But Summit will ultimately decide it all.
Plup looked so happy here. Makes me happy :)
That second match reminds me of when I do Fox dittos against 20XX me being Plup of course.
6:00 while this is true, I'm pretty sure samus also has a 3 frame jump squat. So in this instance it doesn't really matter.
It’s a point that is frequently brought up. It used to be used to dispel the notion that Fox and Falco play the same, and then those same people assume playing Fox and Sheik would feel really different when in fact the jump squat difference is the largest difference in feel of movement.
Leffens and Plup's performance is amazing this tournament! However, Scar should not jump too far here by saying that the old gods are dead. I think they can reach the level of m2k. But they have a long way to go if they come to Hbox and Armadas level. I'm not completely convinced they will get there. At least not soon. To a certain level, I understand that he's only in Scar-hype mode, but it's worth mentioning. Still though, let go Plup! .. and Leffen.
I feel like of your in the 3rd port and you Main Fox if your not using the default your not a Fox player
But if you can't use it that's ok
Who said you were a God? I know it wasn't Plup.
Plup beat Leffen... without using Samus???? What year is this?!?!?!
mraaronhd 20XX
Peep Plup's face at 7:22 . You're welcome
8:31 too lmaooooooo. This is why he's my favorite player
Plup has *certainly* proven he should be ranked higher than Leffen with these last two tournaments.
What was that Up Air sound in 9:30 ? lol
I think it's pretty funny that Leffen would be the 4th best player in Florida
Why does Plup look so graceful while playing and Leffen looks like hes constipated ? lol
Where tf is Mew2King?
(Update) I found him, It's all good
Thumbnail is off
Scar is so hype at the end
Plup #4??????
Pulp #2 :)
Ryan H Yea #4
Jared Martin There is no way you can't say Plup is top 4. Has had a more consistent than M2K, and has had higher peaks. Yeah Mang0 might be less consistent but at least he has the peaks. And Leff, he might drop M2K to 6th.
No way m2K will be under Leffen, but plup maybe
M2K Fan honestly, leffen is still 6th until he gets consistent again. He is all over the place rn but hopefully that changes
What the fuck happened at 3:29? The speed of that movement
Does anyone here like HMW's commentary?
Ppmd god rest his soul🙏😔
Fix the thumbnail
Plup is on fucking fire
PLUP CLUB
Plup the 6th God for sure :’)
*7th
ppmd. Never forget
We didn't forget ppmd.
Plup is the 6th god
TheZakata12 the dude hasn't won a major yet and ur calling him a god before leffen?
Akarsh Verma He won Dreamhack Atlanta in pretty sure.
I wish this was GF.
HMW with the BEAST COMMENTARY and Scar is just there
Scar throwin shade at Leff. Come on man he's better with fox than mango.
Puss N' Boots woah there
Plup > Leffen
NOODLES
"i dunno man, my brain's too small" lmao hmw
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I really hope you guys are pronouncing this game properly...
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