Remote ID Spektrum SkyID Module
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- Remote ID Spektrum SkyID Module
This video was filmed on Aug 29, 2023. Remote ID starts very soon, on Sept 16, 2023. In this video I will describe the first true "plu and play" remote ID module that will make you in compliance with the new FAA remote ID regulation, the Spektrum SkyID module.
All RC models flying after Sept 16, 2023 will need to have a remote ID system installed. The only exception on remote ID is for civilian recreational flyers who fly in a FRIA (FAA Recognized Identification Area), usually at an AMA club or an approved educational institution. Everyone else needs remote ID.
Remote ID can either be standard (installed in the factory, with all drones being sold after Dec 22, 2022) or you can add a remote ID module like the Spektrum SkyID.
The SkyID is small (about 1.2 inches long) and lightweight (one half ounce). All the unit needs is power from the receiver or a battery. Turn it on, get a GPS signal lock and go fly.
Recreational flyers need on remote ID module that they can swap between models.
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00:00 - Intro
00:17 - Overview
01:39 - SkyID description
04:20 - SkyID discusion
06:09 - SkyID installation
Unless something has changed in the last few weeks, there are still no recognized FRIAs, so anything over 250g without RID will be grounded as of 9/16.
Hi Erica! Our field in Wisconsin just got approved as recognized FRIA last week. The application submittal process was pretty straightforward.
As of Aug 29, there are around 700 FRIAs approved. Most are for the AMA from what I gather. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Well, it's good to know that they are finally getting that part done. Hopefully schools and universities will be coming soon since this is going to halt many STEM programs.
@@ericapelz260 Best of luck! Tim
Plenty have been fria approved. All the clubs around me have been approved.
I'm glad you brought up the difference between 107 and rec!
Thanks! Tim
Tks Mr Mckay, Appreciate your time an talent
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I received the Sky module in early January. It was fairly easy to set up. I’m using it on two Spektrum-receiver models and four Graupner-receiver models. No telemetry with Graupner. The module is small enough that it fits easily in all the models’ battery compartments. Moving it from model to model is as easy as swapping batteries. The Sky module is a very good solution to the stupid FAA requirement.
Joe: Great input, thanks so much for sharing. Tim
Seems like AMA is in bed with the FAA. Now you MUST be an AMA member and fly at AMA field. The rest of the public are sol. Watch the dues go up again
Well . . . another way to view this. Congress directed that the FAA work with CBOs to issue FRIAs. AMA is a CBO. Seems like this is a connection that makes sense in 2023. I hate to say it, but I fear one of the reasons the FliteTest guys got a FRIA denied is that they did not have anyone in Washington that could assist them with this complicated problem. There is no easy way "out" of remote ID, except of course to purchase a SkyID and just go fly! Tim
Let's not worry about RID the Apps are not reliable 😂😂😂. I seen it my self in action. ?? If you are a hobbyist the RID module must be registered on FAA site for each craft together or just the RID device ?? Thanks for Intel !!
400 feet, 800 feet, how does that make aviation safer?
I think its great start for sport flyers.
Agree! Tim
Worth noting that the SkyID module will have to be mounted in such a way that you can see the LEDs (ie: not buried inside the fuselage) because it is the operator's responsibility not to take off unless they are sure the module is operating correctly. This means waiting for a GPS lock after plug-in so unless the model is telemetry-enabled you won't know without being able to see the LEDs.
Also note that these modules are *not* certified by the FAA... they operate under a declaration of compliance -- a wholely different arrangement.
And (once again) you forgot to mention that RID only applies to craft weighing more than 250g for recreational operations. All those sub250g craft can be flown without SRID or a broadcast RID module like the SkyID.
Xjet: All correct and good points. Tim
If you want to inspect your neighbors roof after a storm with your DJI Mini 3 pro, you need RID and registration. Because you are using it for a commercial purpose. This is according to the FAA. Unless it is only for fun, you will need to register any drone for commercial use. Any video or pictures you take for yourself can't be shared on any social media, because that is commercial too.
@@shadowofchaos8932 Good point! Tim
@shadowofchaos8932 Wherr does anything say you need anything to "inspect" your neighbors roof? Looking for specifics here.
@@martinwhite418 inspecting your own roof is personal use. Using for ANYTHING that isn't personal use is considered commercial. Posting videos on social media is considered commercial. Using it for a school project is considered commercial. FAA narrowed the definition of personal and commercial use very specific for Part107 and RID.
I foresee a large selection of neat, fun, sub-250gm aircraft coming to market.
Could well be! Tim
I wonder how excited you'll be when they reduce the weight limit to 200g and then 150g and then ....
@@jwoodyr1 😊👍🏻 Tim
@@jwoodyr1 I’m sure you’re correct. And no, I won’t be excited….
As always great info. Just want to have one thing clarified; if your aircraft is sub 250 grams and used for recreational flight, registration and remote ID is not required. However if an aircraft is sub 250 grams and one is using it for Part 107, it must be registered and have remote ID.
Correct!! Tim
Thanks for the latest ID info Tim. I have been trying to locate an information source that will confirm when my club's field FRIA is FAA approved. Is there a list of approved FRIAs somewhere on the web?
Jack: There is no summary list from the FAA on approved FRIAs. This will be shown on the FAA's UAS Date Delivery System map, most likely after Sept 16. One of your AMA club officers submitted your field's FRIA application to AMA. AMA is good about notifying the club when they are approved. Tim
If you have a remote ID module, do we still need to have an FAA number somewhere on our plane like before or is that no longer needed?
Yes, you still need to display your FAA registration number. For recreational flyers, one registration number for all aircraft. Tim
Don't forget to include a copy of your drivers license, birth certificate and what gender you identify as. @@TimMcKay56
Key question to me is what will be the impact of RemoteID on range. Bluetooth transmits on the 2.4ghz band and I'm concerned this will add some noise that reduces the range of our transmitters. Or maybe this is no worse than the telemetry frames that our receivers send back. Anyone having information about this?
None that I am aware of. Best to check with the Spektrum folks. Tim
Maybe we can come down to that $30 mark like the FAA said they’d cost. Online these are anywhere from $70 -$100 right now.
Copy! Tim
My drone's battery's contacts are buried deep inside the drone and are a tight, precision fit. How would this module get power in that situation? Looks like I'll need an independent battery pack - yet another lump to velcro to the outside of the drone's body?
No idea.
For my purposes, I thought the Dronetag Beason was the best option, so I ordered one 7/6/23. As of 8/29/23 that unit is still back ordered which is creating a bit of anxiety. Sure I can buy another drone for my commercial purposes, but I thought I was saving $2,000 by buying a $200 broadcast module. I think the logic made sense, but that's about it
Copy! Tim
My club had its FRIA request denied. I expect the AMA will try again, but as we are so close to an active airport (since 1966!), I'm not holding my breath that it will change. So I ordered a module for the hell of it. I wish they would publish when they might expect them but as no company actually has any available, i kind of expect the FAA to push the date back. As long as our LoA with the tower remains in effect, my club still has a place to fly.
Sounds good. We will all have a lot to learn about the FAA FRIA process. And as you correctly point out, use of SkyID makes the problem simply go away. Tim
If you can’t use your new RID module on your RC aircraft, I’d like to purchase it from you… I’m in the market for a RID module so I can tape it under the airline seat in front of me. 😎
yeh.... we're flyin' r/c outside the ole' 5 mile proximity from airport ATA...is SAFE...not even gonna tie up a Rx channel...blue skies all!!😎👍🇺🇸
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Will remote ID Spektrum skyID module work on any other brands outside of Spektrum stuff?
Yes. It just needs electrical power. Tim
thank you@@TimMcKay56
I am still amazed that people drive around in cars that result in over 40,000 deaths annually and have no remote ID requirement. Every car should transmit your drivers license # (a unique ID), your GPS coordinates, speed and direction. Somehow not putting it on a car is a privacy concern but a hobby that results in 0 deaths annually is a safety concern that preempts privacy?
You raise a valid point. For whatever reason within the US, if 40,000 people die a year in car crashes no one really seems to care at all. But one crashed airliner will be headline news for a month. This is the real reason, at the end of the day, behind RID. Tim
You forgot that the module should also display the driver’s home address. 😎
Cars kill 1.3 million people globally every year. Hobby drones 0.00000. But with any 'luck' Remote ID will result in drone pilots getting shot to reduce overpopulation. It won't be me though. I'm not gonna put a module on my drones. Not now. Not ever. Bad people break good rules. Good people break bad rules. I don't fly 25 kilo pizza delivery drones.
I beleive i will be flying outaw
Copy!
What if I fly a micro scale that weighs less than the module?
Problem solved. If you model weighs less than 8.8 ounces, no registration thus no remote ID needed. Tim
My drones declared that everywhere they fly is an AMA field, certified as RID-compliant by the FAA…I’m one lucky pilot!
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Ironically, this remote ID that has been brought into place because of the popularity of drones, will have more of an impact on fixed wings than drones...
It's sad, and I feel for you guys!
It's so much easier to get a drone under 250g with current tech (and that is getting easier), than it is to get a fixed wing under 250.
When comparing flight performance, stabilization, and freedom of flight locations...
For example, my Rekon35 is 246 grams AUW, flies for 15+ minutes, records stabilized 4K (the runcam Thumb Pro is amazing!), and can fly just about anywhere.
But my cheap foamboard wing is 400G AUW.
Good inputs! Tim
@@TimMcKay56 You brought up another good point too, the range of remote ID is NOWHERE near enough for manned aircraft to avoid the UAV. It's only enough for people to come and harasser you... Anyways, thanks for all the videos. Keep up the good work!
@@LAHover Thanks!! Tim
Question: Since this is only able to reach a range of up to 800 feet, If you fly further than that with a drone, either in or out of controlled Class C or Class B airspace, will you still be in compliance with the FAA? If the module is "on" and working, and and a pilot has LAANC Authorization, who exactly would be able to accuse the pilot of not being in compliance? How would they do this? When you land you can show an operating Remote ID module? Seems like this might be a cheap an easy way to be incompliance...sort of... in these situations??
Please do not confuse RID with flights in controlled airspace, two very separate conversations!! RID (after Sept 16) simply needs to be on if not flying in a FRIA. In terms of range, etc. we'll have to wait and see how that all works out. Tim
@TimMcKay56 Thanks Tim! Yes, I'm familiar with the difference, I guess my question probably doesn't have an answer yet. Most of my flights are Part 107 in Chicago Class B & C airspace, and I'm looking for the cheapest way to meet the remote ID mandate. Being Part 107, we can't move the module from aircraft to aircraft, we need a separate unit and serial number for each aircraft in my modest fleet. Many flights are at 800 feet or less, but some are up to 3000 feet. I'm curious if they'll be any way for the FAA or others to claim those longer flights are not in compliance if the module reaches only 800ft? 🤔😄
@@paulhendershott667 No idea from me, really. Lots to learn! Tim
Does the 250 gram weight limit include the weight of the battery?
Yes, is flight weight. Tim
Thanks!@@TimMcKay56
Can you explain what flite test meant about frias being denied because they are private property? Anybody explain cuz I'm not understanding it
I feel bad for the Flitetest guys and their FRIA denial. Private property alone should not be a reason, more info to follow I am sure. Tim
One of my local fields is on city property and operated as a public rc field (with AMA membership stated as a requirement to fly) as well as other uses but with specific rc areas. Its FRIA application was denied because it is on public property. This public versus private seems to be very confused.
@@tomvoth5031 Great input. Will be most interested to see how this is resolved. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 The lunacy of the FRIA situation is that the FAA is denying some FRIAs because they're over private property or there's something like a building or carpark within the defined boundaries. How is this relevant at all? They can't say "safety" because adding a RID module does *NOT* make your model less likely to crash or cause damage/injury to anyone does it -- yet you *can* quite legally fly your model in these places if it is RID-compliant.
@@xjet I honestly have no idea what is going on with these FRIA denials and private property. I'd offer to take a deep breath, collect some actual facts, and see if we can make progress on what sounds like a misunderstanding of some sort. The thing that concerns me is that up until now, there has been zero oversight as to where a RC flying field should be located, outside of near an active airport. The FAA has a fairly strict view of flight operations over congested areas. For example, Part 91 (General Aviation) flight must stay 1000 feet above the highest obstacle within 2,000 feet over congested areas. Part 103 (Ultralights), as they have no certification or training requirements, are simply prohibited from flying over ANY congested area. Safety to the public on the ground. This may be the thrust of the denials. Again, I do not know. Tim
I'm still waiting for the $50.00 RID as the FAA suggested they will cost, I'm sure the FAA did their homework, after all, they want the airways to be safe. Rumor is the Sept 16th date has been postponed, perhaps waiting for the price to come down. - Jim
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Well I guess the AMA let us all down. I am pretty much done with drones.
AMA has done good work for us, just behind the scenes. Tim
Tim, I do not agree with you that in all practicality you only need to buy one of these because they will be easy to swap out (like your battery). Since they need to be plugged into a receiver that is very often not in the same place as your battery and can be much more difficult to access. For example, it can be in a compartment located underneath a bolted on wing. I predict that for many of us who fly multiple models to comply, we will need several of these units. The cost is really going to add up.
Could be. I design a lot of RC planes. Should be fairly easy to add some extension wires and make a small hatch. Tim
@TimMcKay56 I have seen your work, and you are definitely an amazingly talented builder. I'm sure you could make the proper modifications to most of your fleet. As for us mear mortals, I'm not so sure!
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@@larrylutsky181 Good idea for a video!! Tim
I believe the only thing it is getting from the receiver connection is power. It has a pretty wide range of operating voltage. My thought is either run a servo extension that can be accessed externally, or in some instances attach a small 1S lipo to power it, like folks to with fpv cameras that are temporary.
From Spektrum description:
3.3V - 9V Input Voltage
Only requires power to operate (3-Pin Servo, 3-Pin ZH, or 4-Pin ZH Connector)
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Thanks! Tim
The problem here is that the Spektrum SklyID Module IS NOT AVAILABLE.
John: Correct. But good news: FAA extended the date 6 months, now March 16, 2024. Tim
According to Towerhobbies the SKYId module will not be available until Dec. 2023.. Now what do we do? Oh, I know, fly anyway.
John: Interesting update, thanks for sharing. You are correct, fly anyway. The ENTIRE reason the RID ruling was delayed six months was due to the module availability. FAA is fully aware of this, zero enforcement action. Tim
I'll prolly order one, still fly only sub 250 planes, ima wait till this mature a bit n see how it goes. Then n only then i will bring the +250 gram planes.
Sounds like a plan! Tim
I was fully committed to not follow the 9/16 requirement, but I went ahead and ordered this SkyID just in case.
Good for you!! Tim
As the UK is now 'technically' non-European, our military buyers may also be forced into adopting the protocols that come with the seller's systems & hardware . . . the kind that call for remote ID?
In the US, military drone operators are not requited to have remote ID on drones. The drone manufactures know what the rules are for military sales outside of the US (as they will likely need an export license). Tim
IS a plane lees than 250 garms required to have remote ID
No. RID is tied to registration, and planes under 250 grams do not need to be registered. Tim
How compliant is this in Europe?
No idea. Check EASA website. Tim
Hallo Tim
ich dachte immer das wir in Europa extrem kontroliert werden.
ein Transponder ist nur in Frankreich für Modelle über 800gr notwendig. da sind wir in Deutschland dank unseres sehr großem Modell Fug Verband besser vertreten und können verhältnismäsig frei fliegen.
Beste Grüße aus der alten Welt Rolf
Hello Tim
I always thought that we are extremely controlled in Europe.
a transponder is only necessary in France for models over 800gr. we are better represented in Germany thanks to our very large Modell Fug association and can fly relatively freely.
Best regards from the old world Rolf
Rolf: Thanks for checking in! Tim
It can be incredibly frustrating when a company becomes unresponsive and fails to address customer inquiries or concerns after a purchase, causing inconvenience and disappointment for customers.
Cannot argue with that! Tim
Horizon has a web page on the SkyID. There's an FAQ there that should answer any questions. Welcome to the new world where no one wants to work, or they want too much money to work, and businesses can't hire enough employees to take care of their customers. Horizon isn't the only one. Have you called any companies for tech support lately? Very few speak English.
That requirement does not include class G airspace does it to have a sky ID.
If you fly a drone/R model within the US airspace, you'll need remote ID unless you are in a FRIA. Type of controlled airspace, or Class G, does not matter. Tim
CubePilot’s $39 remote id system is not approved by the FAA, is it still a viable option to comply with remote Id regs?
Really not sure . . . I think there is a lot of work to fully integrate with a drone. Tim
Mr. McKay, Sir! Thank you for making this video. I have ordered mine. Hopefully it will arrive in time.
Need to add GPS to that one. OK if your drone has GPS already.
I pre-ordered one, to save $30 and have another device that will send back GPS telemetry.
Great!! Tim
The FAA is currently denying all FRIA permits. So what now? This is exactly what everyone was warning you about and you didn't listen. Look at what happened to Flite test' field. Josh just made this statement about the situation with the FAA.
Will be interesting to hear the reasons for this. Tim
If you don't pre-order these intrusions on our privacy spectrum won't see it as a good ROI and likely never produce them... A big win for the recreational hobbyist,,too bad for the loss in AMA dues and club registrations though..people won't be forced to fly in them as planned.I personally hope the AMA goes belly up ,traitorous wastrels that they are..
You have no idea how bad it would be without the AMA. (sigh)
@@TimMcKay56 I know their representative fell asleep during the FAA hearings....Why would they bother to fight rfid on privacy grounds when they could see increased membership and club dues due to forcing people onto FRIA's. I fly planes and quadcopters among other aspects of the rc hobby...been involved in it for 40 years now. From a quadcopter fliers POV I can't think of anything more boring than being restricted to flying in a club environment or more intrusive than having to fly monitored while in a public park flying below tree level.....An environment hostile to drone flyers around these parts btw with the largest club, ironically called "RC Flyers Unlimited" , having "no drones allowed" signs every 50 feet along their flight line..So..yeah..it couldn't be worse with them in charge...
I under stand all the new rules of and will abide br them. I don't understand why the model rocketry is not affected. I have seen plenty of rockets weighing more than 250gms and reach altitudes way over 400 feet. They are a type of aircraft and unmanned. Potentially could as much damage as our aircraft
Bob: Good point, actually. I think the two items FAA is looking at are can the model be maneuvered and length of time airborne. For rockets, they’ll need to stay out of controlled airspace. And a key item is the pilot (ie launch pad) is easily known. Tim
New people that are just coming into the hobby with their $80 airplane has to buy a module that costs as much. And thats if they know about it.
Copy! My guess . . . at some point RID will be built into all receivers. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Probably. I think that information like this really needs to be somewhere where you buy your airplane. In the information booklet or something similar so that everyone getting into the hobby will know and be prepared before their first flight or they get in trouble and have no idea why.
@@KGReef Very good idea! Tim
800ft. And by the time people can pick up the signal it's not in that location anymore lol. I agree with many people's take on this. The faa is only doing this because they were ordered to do so and the effort they're putting into it is questionable. Bluetooth is not the correct technology for this use case.
And that's not even touching on enforcement. They don't have the required manpower for all their current responsibilities without adding this lol. I'll end up purchasing a couple because I love the hobby and I like playing with tech stuff but im not taking it as seriously as i was
So . . . this entire remote ID tasking to the FAA is a very challenging project. We'll essentially all be part of a huge real-time science experiment to see how it work. Technical changes will come quickly as new and better ways to maintain RID are discovered by the 18 year old hackers. Tim
It's "feel good" legislation, like gun control. The only people that will be inconvenienced by it are law-abiding citizens..
No need for this with my flying fields. I fly and member at 4 fields and we are all good.
Great! Tim
I doubt you could just put it anywhere in the plane, it’s got to be oriented up and unobstructed.
Will advise once I get mine. Tim
So it transmits 800ft. wouldn’t it be quicker to, you know, look around for the person holding a transmitter?
I wonder if my plane will need a booster shot everyone two months to keep it compliant..lol
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This requirement is September 16, 2023; when do the subscription costs start and how much? If one thinks this is all for free, your in the wrong World!
Time will tell! Tim
It's all cause of these multi rotor guys with cameras looking in women's windows. I't should be for multi rotors only. It's not fair. They should only be for multi rotors.
I think after the dust settles we may see movement in this direction, between fixed wing and drones. I hope so! Tim
Lol
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Did our elected officials write this law? Has congress passed this law? agencies cannot write and enforce laws that are not passed through congress
I’ve answered this question more times than I care to remember. All 100% legal per the Code of Federal Regulations. Google it. Tim
Funny thing back in 1983 when I raised my right hand and swore an oath to protect the US Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic which began my 20+ years of service in the United States Military I never in my wildest nightmares thought that te FAA would become an enemy of our freedom like this! I am beginning to wonder why I bothered to serve those years at all! If all that is going to happen is that some bureaucrat is going to just steal a right to the pursuit of happiness the way they’re doing. To me that FAA is now an anti aviation agency!
27 years of USAF active duty here, Get a grip. 😳 Tim
Ordered 2 Aug 29th. Still on back order. Absolute dumb ass implemented program! Publish rules then develop the hardware.
Still waiting for mine as well Tim
This will kill the hobby. Next they will ban propellers and EDFs or wings or wheels.
RID is a non-event in the grand scheme of things. Tim