Coming in as someone who had never heard the name Caroline Calloway before, this documentary didn't really explain to me what happened and why people hate her so much. I feel like I was only given the end of the story, leaving me with no context. So I'm not really sure what the goal was.
She “scammed “ people into thinking they were making part of her exclusive glamorous life, like partying hard and being a student in rich people schools , she promised a book that never came and made people paid for it , and people raged all over the internet when her best friend exposed all of that including that her real life wasn’t real at all and it was all a plan to get rich and a popular writer . So , I guess her real fans , not the bots, felt the need to start trolling her for being someone she wasn’t , and specially for “ stealing “ people money , that developed a depression that Vice is showing how she’s dealing with it .
@@nelsonlupertavares6211 Thanks! The only thing I got was that she made them pay for the book she never wrote, but nowhere in this thing did I get that she was lying about her lifestyle.
@@ashleygroobz there was a section (3 minutes 35 seconds) where they talked about when she started her instagram, paid for followers, and created an artificial identity in order to project the type of person that would become an influencer, until it happened. Then she sold that fake identity to book publishers.
I followed Caroline from the beginning. Following her journey over the years has been insane. I think she’s a cautionary tale for 'fake it til you make it' gone wrong. Realizing how unwell she has been this entire time, I really hope she gets better.
me too, ages 16-23ish.. have to thank her for her (or natalies) early writing, as one of the first "influencers" I ever heard of (term wasn't really even around back then) those captions inspired me to travel and write when I was super young and impressionable. I think her intelligence, niche humor & social awkwardness to this day make it hard to relate for most people which unfortunately causes them to hate her success. i think people need to go outside lol.. there are worse people & bigger problems in the world
Thank you! It's ironic to me that a lot of people in the western world LOVE Kpop, where everything is planned and choreographed but if a musical celebrity from over here gets their start that way, they get called all kinds of names and it's considered a bad thing. I think people are quick to judge because, like you said, they are doing the same thing and they don't want others to notice it.
Truth! I was “social media manager” for three aspiring influencers. I feel for Caroline; having a ghostwriter is neither scandalous, nor proof she lacks the chops to write her own long form captions.
Losers on the internet want anything to get mad or vocal about. They enjoy cyber bullying and belittling strangers online too. The people on her subreddit are vile, horrible wretches
Agreed. I honestly think the people who dedicate large chunks of their lives to obsessively analyzing every aspect of a stranger's life are FAR more concerning than social-climbing scammers like Caroline Calloway or Anna Delvey.
Reddit was designed after 4chan, it's pretty self explanatory why it breeds toxicity so well within non moderated subreddits. The crazy part is trying to under what type of individual sits in a sub reddit and goes down the rabbit hole of looking at every comment and reacting to it. Subreddit like these are confirmation basis, they are probably the last place for a healthy mature conversation. They're so self righteous in their toxicity that they are blinded by it.
Agreed, social media apps are designed to have addictive qualities, addiction is baked into the system and wanted by the app developers/providers to ensure ad clicks.
Not to everyone. People my age often find social media culture awful, cloying, inane, image-obsessed to the point of being empty & depressing, and ultimately inferior to what we had beforehand when we actually got together and did fun sh!t far, far more. There is so much garbage navel-gazing and mutual preening out there online that I feel really bad about the exceptionally intelligent young people who see through most of this immediately.
I honestly think its a lot more embarrassing having a reddit sub/ making 200,000+ posts about a person, even making a FLOOR PLAN of someone's apartment than to be a scammer/"shitty person" like Caroline was. Like how bored of your life can you be to focus so much on another person? how can you hate yourself so much to the point you choose to project it on another person?
But also it’s a place for people who were actually burned by these kinds of horrible human beings to vent their legitimate frustration and process what happened to them. To each their own, I say. Live and let live!
@@NoNameNumberTwo Must be an inside joke? Seeing this video was the first I’ve ever heard of this girl. But also perhaps people are truly awful in the subreddit. Plenty of miserable people in the world that’s for sure. Wasn’t denying the OPs perspective just adding my own. But do tell me what you mean by your comment…
Fr influencers are the most unrealistic useless people just doing fabricated nonsense for attention but 10 years if there ain't a nuclear apocalypse I'd be surprised
Exactly they made it seem like she was evil but really she’s just good at doing what everyone else does on social media, be someone else to get the chance to possible be someone else
No matter how sad or silly you think she is, people obsessed with her are way sadder. Instead of being mad at a system that overvalues conventional beauty and social capital, which are often afforded to people who are born with economic capital to begin with, they choose to harrass and dehumanize a particularly outrageous example of it, in spite of her showing clear signs of real struggle and suffering, probably because deep down they are not really mad that that's how the world works, they are mad bc they can't have the same.
Yes. Someone posting over 2000 posts… a floor plan of her apartment. Ooof. People are pop psychologising her and not at all people who are hounding her. In some ways, I appreciate she’s trolling them back at times. She’s mirroring them. Her: “I’ll keep posting about my haters” Them: “how sad. I’ll keep posting about her” Also hound ppl who scam millions. What about constantly writing your representatives? How about obsessing enough about a thing to enact change? She is being held accountable and way more than ppl who are truly screwing us.
@@theworldofblue4385 I hope this is sarcasm. If not, then you’re saying that just anyone has the right to mete out whatever judgment they see fit for whatever crime they feel someone has committed. Who appointed you or anyone else as the bringer of karma on another human? Were you summoned to her moral/ethical jury? Should you feel so entitled: does the punishment in this case fit the crime?
@@theworldofblue4385 No, but do you really want to live in a world where anyone who ever does a mean, careless thing, gets thousands of strangers mapping their every move, researching every aspect of their past, armchair Dx'ing them with PD's even a real psych wouldn't dx under those conditions/at that young age, and viewing them as the face of modern evil?
What else to do if it's happening othet than to try to accept the reality that is not the one she might want which would be no hate. Her dark humor is a survival mechanism to get through and is very relatable to ppl who use dark humor to deal with trauma or big emotions. To embrace the concept is hard to do in a way that does not feed the cycle of self-hatred and Communal hatred of her. Owning a bad scenario that is your life/from your own actions instead of barring feelings or pretending it isn't real I would argue to be more toxic for her and the haters. At the very least her self-awareness is nessesary for her to transverse her healing journey and move forward beyond her 20's.
I made some really difficult, stupid and painful mistakes in my twenties. It was bad. But at least just a couple of people know about them. But the shame I still feel about it to this day is intense. It is really hard to have weird and wrong coping mechanisms to deal with the world around you and your desire to feel seen, heard and loved. I am so glad that I could at least experience it in a form of privacy. It will never haunt me in the way, that it will haunt Caroline. If you read this, Caroline, just know: you are actually not alone with how you dealt with things. I get it. I truly do. The only way to get better is to take real responsibility and face your actions head on. And it seems like you are on a good path, which is great. I'll root for you, because I actually really empathize with you
I lost my dad and went through a mental breakdown that led to many stupid choices. So I totally understand where she’s coming from. Hopefully she can find peace
Thank god for this comment. I mean, the immense hate here is really blowing my mind. Poor girl. I don't even know her. How could one not feel bad ? I've seen more sympathy for serial killers.
@@aphrodieMonkey Oh yeah, they loooove a good serial killer! God forbid, a woman made a couple stupid choices in her twenties, let's scrutinize her forever, she DESERVES it!
Didn't seem she was taking any responsibility for her actions in this. Actually seemed quite the opposite - she either minimized what she did, or made excuses for what she did throughout the entire thing. This was the first I've seen or heard of her, but I was actually pretty amazed at how little it seems she's changed in the last decade.
I really wish Caroline Callaway the best even though this is the first time I have learned about her existence. All she can do is learn from her mistakes, move forward, and do something really productive, meaningful, and successful in her life. Focus or trying to get attention from a-holes on Instagram, Reddit, etc. Is just going to make her or us feel worse than she does or we already do.
Unfortuanly this behavior isn't anything new, it's been called different thing throughout time. The difference now is that we have some tools to at least try to change it. Mental health needs to be more mainstream, it should go hand in hand with physical health. Every single person should have access to a mental health provider if they want one.
We definitely need more mental health awareness as a society. There are so many amazing tools to help people with mental health issues and most of the effective ones are not psych drugs(which don't seem to deal with the underlying issues).
No word on how she owes her former landlord in NY tens of thousands of dollars for completely trashing her former apartment? Reddit didn't make her do that. Who's lying by omission now?
why do you care? she owes someone money and trashed her apparent. does that mean she deserves to be stalked and harassed by thousands of strangers daily?
Caroline it seems is very lonely (and there’s no shame in that) and seems to be grieving her father in unhelpful ways. I think her mother is the only person in her life she is loved by. I do think she is very aware of her influence and has no qualms being a scammer bc it makes her money but it’s from a place where she feels wounded. Essentially, it’s a misuse of her energy and talent. Smh.
I’ve never heard about this what so ever but From what I can tell watching this, Yo she is beyond help. First of all she is obviously now lazy and a slob.. Not even going to hide when her mom comes over that she has a bottle of wine and pill bottles there… She actually got into a good school with a shot at a really good education/future without faking it to make it so to speak.. AND the way she talks about it right off the bat sounds like she still obviously thinks too highly of herself still.. Straight up says she launched creativity work shops but didn’t actually have any intention of following through what so ever, even sold tickets. She was upset that her friend “tries to take credit for her writing and make me seem like this ditsy influencer” when 10 seconds prior was stating that everything she said was completely true…🤦♂️ So now 9 minutes in she opens up about having Reddit which in the start she said she doesn’t post online, to then purposely find people that hate her and stir the pot. I’d call anyone a scammer that makes people pre order a BOOK?!? With how she left that place, anyone would be upset and I doubt a damage deposit would cover the cost to bring that back to what it was when she moved in. “I’m leaving the internet and moving to tiktok” soo your not leaving the internet. At the end said she had onlyfans but at the start was upset that people pick apart her personal life. This video got her money though and I’d bet that she never has to work again in her life, ask anyone or 98% of people though if they never had to work again by choice they would be happy. In the end she is still ungrateful and unappreciative.
isolation breeds creativity and introspection is something all humans should do at some point in their life. 30's is a good time to start.. Buddhist Monks spend there entire life in isolation and some take an oath to never speak.... Discipline
@@paaao depression in many respects is a symptom of a weak mind.. not saying your weak but it means you have work to do... if you are isolating and feeling depressed it means you need to work on your mental
@@PeterFnPorker I’m not depressed on a regular basis anymore. In my late 20s/early 30s yes. I’m not isolated like I was back in those days… That’s the point. What you said is completely true, and social media is making it worse for the younger generation. Luckily social media was not a thing when I was younger. Social media is a tricky beast, because it keeps you isolated, while conning you into thinking you’re still making real connections with people. Truth is, you’re not. You’re only dipping your toes in the connection pool, and telling yourself you got your bath for the day.
I had no awareness of Caroline before this video, but I have to say… Selling a memoir, before you have written it, AND before you have lived the life experiences necessary to write a memoir? That is either a scam or a very ignorant business plan.
Or a delisuion of grandeur. She seems very unwell. Zeah, she scammed some people but nothing warranties such bullying and stalking, these people are crazy.
I’ve known people like this. They have big ideas and they think they can follow through, but then they can’t make themselves do it. They think that outside forces, like people paying for a pre-ordered book, will help them feel motivated. It makes things worse. I feel sorry for her.
if you're wondering why this video is so sympathetic towards Caroline and doesn't push back on any of her statements, it's because her good friend directed it.
You will never find any form of mainstream or even alt-mainstream media (like Vice) that will ever produce a piece that speaks of any act performed by any woman with a sense of shame, accountability, or consequences attached to it. It has to be done with Pride, Attention, Praise and/or Sympathy being the lens we view it through. People can argue this but you can't prove it wrong. Doesn't matter if she killed someone.
I find her to be someone I can really sympathize with, but also someone who's incredibly out of touch who still struggles to take responsibility for herself. Edit: after reading through some of the comments, I want to say that even if I think she's has wrongs she needs to right, I don't think that makes her an irredeemable person worthy of the dehumanization I see happening. Humans aren't black and white.
I would also argue that it is very human and relatable to be out of touch with aspects of oneself and their contributions in their own life being their's to own and take responsibility for. I think that most people struggle with these things and are putting ppl like her and judging them for not acting perfectly in response. I don't know any humans who are not somehow a hypocrite, liar, and struggle to take accountability for things that feel too hard to do. It's very human to be fluid. Taking responsibility is not something taught or intuitive at all to humans, when the goal is to persurve ourselves and survive. Taking responsibility unmasks the individual and makes them vulnerable which is very uncomfortable to put ourselves in that state of mine, because vulnerability could mean extreme consequences for being real with oneself. I think being hurt when ppl we feel we love and know their morals stray from that even a little, it's easy to forget when the last time we might have modified our values to meet the situation at hand and yet can still hold thos3 values close and be rooted in them deeply. Everyone strays from their compass. Not saying ppl don't need to take accountability, just think that ppl don't see how human it is to do something or say something that isn't perfectly aligned with what they portray is their values and principles. All humans are not exempt from this fault of the wildcard effect when humans choose to be spontaneous and a drift from their "self."
Also, coming from an addict myself (sober 6yrs) abusing amphetamines really messes up your mind. She may be sober now, but the damage is far longer lasting if not permanent...
She STILL CANT TAKE OWNERSHIP LOL. She literally just said she paid her friend to write for her, and a minute later she says she was devastated when her friend "tried to steal the credit for HER writing" ??? Lol
@Bantana Audio nah there was already rift between them, she actually hired her friend once before manage her ig and due to a small dispute she trashed her all over online
She told that Natalie made it look like she build the whole brand, which was not true. She was only a ghost writer. And a friend. Not a good combination.
@@Bensux you're probably right. I didn't think of it that way. They filmed her around her house doing pretty much nothing, so this was a way to get her to do something for the camera.
I think you all are missing the point of this video. She may be the first post-influencer, and there will be many many more like her that will go through these new age insanely difficult mental issues. This is showing the cost of being a celebrity on social media that maybe more kids should see.
I can’t even imagine being an influencer while struggling with active addiction. I can’t imagine the humiliation she must feel. I feel like a lot of these comments are missing that piece of this. Substance abuse is no joke and we need to end the stigma. I hope she gets the help she needs.
@@yourunmarathons She's clearly suffering deeply emotionally - anyone would. And you can see in these comments that she is being used as a punching bag by some really cruel individuals.
@@JamesWilliams-jf3hd I've never given her money so I'm not sure what she is scamming me out of. I just don't like to see another person being abused to this level.
Having never heard of her before, Caroline’s story seems to be about a young person navigating mental illness, addiction and fame (or infamy). It’s something that we’ve all seen play out. The thing that I think REALLY needs to be explored in documentary format is the reality of people like Pigeon and the other Redditors. I’m so curious what would cause some people to devote so much time and effort to a cause like exposing Caroline, especially considering when given the ability to communicate with her directly, they totally switch up.
Theres an hour long video up by Dangelo Wallace about her now. But basically, to summarize, she spends all her time wasting peoples money and lying to them about it. She keeps mentioning her addiction so people feel sorry for her, but she accepted a 500k book deal, knowing she never planned on writing the book. Blew it all on partying. Asked people to pay her for a preorder of her book that she still hasn't written. Blew all that money on partying. She comes from a wealthy family, used to literally live in the richest city in america, and would constantly beg people for money just to blow it all on something unnecessary. She even chose to stop paying rent, got sued, and then countersued by saying she was too poor to pay rent. WHILE taking everybodys money and lying to them. She's basically a narcissist who wanted to be famous for writing a book, but never actually wanted to write a book and lied to the people that supported her financially. Even years and years after her addiction issue was no more. Even now, she finally released a mess of a book (only because she wanted to release a book before her ex friend who she hates for no reason) and had people pay 100 for it, knowing she didn't plan on shipping it out. She took money from a skincare company who wanted her to be the face of a new skincare product called "snake oil," because shes so known for lying and scaming at this point. She accepted, for the money. She put these products together on her living room floor, got complaints about her cats hair being inside the product, and then told people they were lucky there wasn't MORE cat hair, inside this 2 ounce bottle of grapeseed oil that they paid $80 for. She's a narcissist who liked the idea and aesthetic of Cambridge academia. She wanted to be the face or voice of this aesthetic, knowing she didn't want to write a book. So she lied to people about it to take their money and their book deals. This is so, so much worse and deeper than just buying followers. I completely forgot she did that because it doesn't compare to everything else.
Because she owes her ex-landlord insane amounts of money after completely trashing her once-apartment, and never having worked a stable job a day in her life, she doesn't know how to make money but off attention on the internet
No idea who she is, zero. She come accross as someone who has wasted her time and other peoples time. She is young and will recover from this insignificant series of irrelevant episodes. I wish her the best to build something new and impactful.
We have lost an ENTIRE generation on self-absorbed, narcissistic and entitled people. The world is full of people who think themselves way too important.
She's 30...30...and still giving 21 year old vibes with a 21 year old mind. I'm confused about this whole thing. Stay tf off social media if you're that wounded. I'm so confused.
I don't know why she can't just leave social media, reddit, the internet, and live a peaceful life. Why all the calls to the haters? Why all the obsession? Refund them, apologize, move on.
if anything this documentary add fuel to the fire because I didn't even know who she was and this video made me not like her. She put it all upon herself
That's what she clearly wants yeah. It's a documentary though it's intention is to document what has happened and the effects on this person. It's not intended to make you feel a certain way, that's up to you.
@@TheTechDweller IMO, this is not even close to scratching the surface of all the abhorrent things she’s done, and it’s leaning toward garnering sympathy for her by showing the “hate” she gets, rather than her taking accountability for her actions, how she betrayed her friends + co-workers in numerous ways, and showing the reasonable comments who give her fair criticism which is the vast majority of people. It’s hard to feel bad for a scammer.
She does appear to be on a path towards beginning to take accountability and be honest about what she has done however I agree that she is far from being there just yet. It was an interesting documentary to watch.
How is she making a living nowadays? How does she pay her bills (and affords all those books!) in Florida? The video makes it seem like she still lounges all day reading books and playing with her cat. I feel like Vice left some pretty large blindspots on their reporting there.
Histrionic personality disorder is such a misunderstood mental health disorder. I feel a sadness to think the internet only fuels this with no concept of the further damage they could be doing.
With the Reddit situation - their take seems pretty spot on. She has such an insatiable craving for attention that she's turning to them to satisfy it. If she truly wanted to turn over a new leaf, she'd acknowledge she's lied, used and abused, and move on with her life. She's clinging to the vestiges of the ship wreck that was her past in an attempt to regain the identity she once fooled people into believing she had. Get a real job, a real identity, and get real honest with yourself about your intentions behind why you do what you do, and move on. Also, she's still making excuses. The guy she spoke with on the phone gave it to her straight - she stole people's money - and she twisted it into "the book's late". Reminds me a whole lot of Amber Heard insisting that she donated money, intentionally convoluting what it means to promise to donate something, and actually donate it. Her whole affect while on the phone with people seems incredibly artificial. The reason people speak about her like she's not a real person, is because she quite literally has always presented herself as not a real person. She has a constructed image and identity and as long as she craves the public's eye, and outlets like Vice help her indulge in it, she won't improve.
She says the article from her friend is the truth but uses the trusty old excuse of addicts of saying that addiction made her do all these things and doesn't actually apologise or explain her behaviour beyond that. I feel absolutely terrible for her, having lost multiple family members to addiction and mental health and suicide. but she needs to take some serious accountability for her actions.
I really hope everyone involved in this strange little "subculture" finds peace. Especially the Redditors who devote large chunks of their time to obsessively analyzing and critiquing every available aspect of a strangers life... yikes.
I have no idea who this girl is but I know 2 things,1 this video still tries to make her important, and 2 this girl still thinks she is important. while yes, EVERYONE is important, - your petty drama is not. get therapy.
Idk. I think it also highlights how the consequences of publicly making mistakes/behaving dysfunctionally in the age of the internet and social media.Those consequences aren't carefully reserved for the deeply, intractably terrible. If you think about how many people have served hard time for crimes they didn't commit... of course these internet justice campaigns will hit people who've made lesser mistakes, or got framed/wrong-place-wrong-time.
Her voice reminds me of my cousin's voice. It sounds inauthentic and also has this condescending quality. I can close my eyes and if she had a southern accent (an exceptionally thick one for extra attention), I'd be like o.O "Christy?? Is that you??"
i am so thankful and grateful i was born before the chaos of social media, the only thing we had to worry about ,was getting home when the street lights came on i feel sorry for the generation of today living in such toxic mayhem of their own making
I hear you. I was born in '77, by the time social media was a thing, I was a "professional" (whatever that means) and had way too much on my plate to give two shits about instagram and all that.
@@MichaelHong-um1nsthat sounds cool. i was born in 98, i only got on Instagram at 18yo. Still not ideal, but at least my childhood & early teen years were free of smartphones & compulsive social media addictions. At least i have a "before" to compare to 😟
That is something I will never experience . . . thank you for your insight. But I must say that this had not been wholly the making of my generation: it's the people who are at the top of these social media platforms who prioritise profit over all else who are at the root of this mess ❤
This was really an eye-opening expose on perceived fame, raw sadness, and eclipsed expectations from fans, haters, and CC first and foremost. And I too own a siamese named Cyrus. The best breed.
Can't. They'd can't do shame, accountability, or consequences when telling a woman's story in mainstreamto alt-mainstream media. Has to be sympathy, pride, attention, or praise or it's not told at all.
The lack of respect is so potent... lack of respect for books, lack of self respect, lack of respect for other's feelings. The only thing likable about her is... she survived. She has an unique set of bad experience, as she has no options, she should mend it into her potential, wear it somehow as a badge of humbled honour. I sincerely hope she sees better days ahead.
Bruh no need for the quotation marks. She definitely is a scammer. I didn't hear too much about accepting responsibility, but plenty on how tough her life is
Social media and attention seeking really are forms of addiction. Her closing statement really brings the point home. "I really wanted fame, I wanted everyone to think I was perfect and they did, but being famous didn't make me anywhere near as happy as I thought it would," should be a precautionary slogan for everyone who gets their validation from sources like Instagram. It's all fake, and chasing that high only ends in disappointment.
I hate what we have become. I wish so badly we can turn back time... This is a prime example of why people need to socialize live and in person.. And why the internet and social media needs to be strictly limited if not totally cut off from the world's children... Parents need to unplug the screens and check into reality..
This is what happens when you base your income off of internet popularity and don't build actual skills that transfer to other sectors in the workplace. Hopefully all of these reactionary video creaters are saving cash because life can last a long time and no one stays in the lime light forever.
And that’s the kind of mentality that will never solve this situation. Instead of realizing the real mental health help that these people need from society, you pit all the blame on ,”should’ve known better.” Your lack of sympathy is what will delay the real help and tools that anyone like this genuinely needs.
She wouldn't have smoked on a plane, but she said that people used to smoke on planes. I'm a little bit older than this woman, but I remember an uncle sat in the smoking section of the plane during the flight.
@Jedirie J interesting fact is some airplanes have ash trays like you said and also put them in bathrooms because people are dumb and will smoke anyways so they are put there to at least have somewhere to put the hot ashes and not set the plane on fire
airlines didn't just Throw away air planes or throw away every seat in every airplane after smoking was outlawed! Lol. I'm not defending her but you said a dumb thing. I'm her age and air planes ONE HUNDRED percent had ash trays in the arm rests for years after smoking was outlawed. If you were a kid in the 90s and you flew on a plane you would have fiddled with the ashtray mechanism on your arm rest.
Mental health is important and I hope she finds peace! But at the end of the day she took preorders in 2020 for a book that she never delivered, and continues to sell things on the internet that people have a difficult/impossible time being reimbursed for when those items don’t arrive. I can have sympathy for her but it doesn’t make her likable
I didn’t know who she was but I would never like to even come across this woman from a visible distance. As a former victim of a sociopath I can clearly see she feels no empathy whatsoever and without even trying, manipulates every single situation on her favor, even crimes. Fucking scary. No, we’re not impressed.
Someone commented above this Vice clip portrays her in a sympathetic way because it was directed by her friend who works at Vice. Isn't that some form of unethical journalism? She is the typical type of woman I loathe.
I honestly was almost very very very close to actually feeling empathy towards her…. Thanks god I watched in full… yeah she’s just stuck in her head in her own little fairytale land 🤦🏽♂️ best of luck to her 😐
She ripped off a LOT of people, and is *proud* to call herself a scammer. She made being a scammer her brand! Go on the smolbean subreddit for a timeline. She’s disgusting.
EXACTLY. I don’t get way walking away from social media for ever ISNT a viable option for her. Probably because she can’t fathom not having people interview her
She would be a nasty human regardless. Stop blaming external things for people being shitty. You’re just making up reasons for her to not be responsible for her own choices and actions.
A narcissist is someone who wants EVERYTHING (money, power, fame, glory, attention, etc.), but doesn’t want to put in the effort/hard work to attain the aforementioned, with their own merit. This is extremely cringy.
Coming in as someone who had never heard the name Caroline Calloway before, this documentary didn't really explain to me what happened and why people hate her so much. I feel like I was only given the end of the story, leaving me with no context. So I'm not really sure what the goal was.
She “scammed “ people into thinking they were making part of her exclusive glamorous life, like partying hard and being a student in rich people schools , she promised a book that never came and made people paid for it , and people raged all over the internet when her best friend exposed all of that including that her real life wasn’t real at all and it was all a plan to get rich and a popular writer . So , I guess her real fans , not the bots, felt the need to start trolling her for being someone she wasn’t , and specially for “ stealing “ people money , that developed a depression that Vice is showing how she’s dealing with it .
@@nelsonlupertavares6211 Thanks! The only thing I got was that she made them pay for the book she never wrote, but nowhere in this thing did I get that she was lying about her lifestyle.
@@ashleygroobz there was a section (3 minutes 35 seconds) where they talked about when she started her instagram, paid for followers, and created an artificial identity in order to project the type of person that would become an influencer, until it happened. Then she sold that fake identity to book publishers.
You know her personally
I think it showed that she is human, and the internet armchair psychologists need to sit.
I followed Caroline from the beginning.
Following her journey over the years has been insane.
I think she’s a cautionary tale for 'fake it til you make it' gone wrong. Realizing how unwell she has been this entire time, I really hope she gets better.
me too, ages 16-23ish.. have to thank her for her (or natalies) early writing, as one of the first "influencers" I ever heard of (term wasn't really even around back then) those captions inspired me to travel and write when I was super young and impressionable. I think her intelligence, niche humor & social awkwardness to this day make it hard to relate for most people which unfortunately causes them to hate her success. i think people need to go outside lol.. there are worse people & bigger problems in the world
People act like paying someone to run your instagram and buying followers isn’t how most influencers and brands got their start.
You need some bots? Leave compliments about getting compliments ☺️
Thank you! It's ironic to me that a lot of people in the western world LOVE Kpop, where everything is planned and choreographed but if a musical celebrity from over here gets their start that way, they get called all kinds of names and it's considered a bad thing.
I think people are quick to judge because, like you said, they are doing the same thing and they don't want others to notice it.
nothing new
Truth! I was “social media manager” for three aspiring influencers. I feel for Caroline; having a ghostwriter is neither scandalous, nor proof she lacks the chops to write her own long form captions.
Losers on the internet want anything to get mad or vocal about. They enjoy cyber bullying and belittling strangers online too. The people on her subreddit are vile, horrible wretches
regardless of her scamming that reddit page is insane.
Agreed. I honestly think the people who dedicate large chunks of their lives to obsessively analyzing every aspect of a stranger's life are FAR more concerning than social-climbing scammers like Caroline Calloway or Anna Delvey.
That reddit page is bullying. How has it not been banned?!
@@Tan-ns2hrSo many pages like that exist for female influencers. They always get mass-reported but never taken down. Its disgusting
Reddit was designed after 4chan, it's pretty self explanatory why it breeds toxicity so well within non moderated subreddits. The crazy part is trying to under what type of individual sits in a sub reddit and goes down the rabbit hole of looking at every comment and reacting to it. Subreddit like these are confirmation basis, they are probably the last place for a healthy mature conversation. They're so self righteous in their toxicity that they are blinded by it.
Social media clout chasing is literally an addictive drug
Agreed, social media apps are designed to have addictive qualities, addiction is baked into the system and wanted by the app developers/providers to ensure ad clicks.
It’s the dopamine. We’ve known this for years and people still don’t want to understand that they will be affected negatively by this
Not to everyone. People my age often find social media culture awful, cloying, inane, image-obsessed to the point of being empty & depressing, and ultimately inferior to what we had beforehand when we actually got together and did fun sh!t far, far more. There is so much garbage navel-gazing and mutual preening out there online that I feel really bad about the exceptionally intelligent young people who see through most of this immediately.
Yes, we've known since myspace....💀
Only for weak people
I honestly think its a lot more embarrassing having a reddit sub/ making 200,000+ posts about a person, even making a FLOOR PLAN of someone's apartment than to be a scammer/"shitty person" like Caroline was.
Like how bored of your life can you be to focus so much on another person? how can you hate yourself so much to the point you choose to project it on another person?
So TRUE. The miserable people exist in the reddits! I like to call them ‘miserable mom shamers of the internet’
But also it’s a place for people who were actually burned by these kinds of horrible human beings to vent their legitimate frustration and process what happened to them. To each their own, I say. Live and let live!
@@Seeker0fTruthPigeon, is that you? 🦉
@@NoNameNumberTwo Must be an inside joke? Seeing this video was the first I’ve ever heard of this girl. But also perhaps people are truly awful in the subreddit. Plenty of miserable people in the world that’s for sure. Wasn’t denying the OPs perspective just adding my own. But do tell me what you mean by your comment…
@@Seeker0fTruth 14:30 start there.
I have a feeling that in 10 years we have even more stories like Caroline, as soon as Gen Z hits their 30s.
Hundreds of Netflix documentaries
Fr influencers are the most unrealistic useless people just doing fabricated nonsense for attention but 10 years if there ain't a nuclear apocalypse I'd be surprised
Er. Mer. Gerd. 😂😂😂
Yes and I can‘t even blame them, they are being raised by and coming of age by the algorithm/social media platforms…
Exactly they made it seem like she was evil but really she’s just good at doing what everyone else does on social media, be someone else to get the chance to possible be someone else
Shout-out to all the emotional support cats out there! They’re the real heroes.
Animals are kind to dumb people
Emotional support dogs are the real heroes, at least they show love and get excited to see you and not just dinner.
@@DirtTrackRacing410 Did you not see her cat? Also, Shut up.
@@DirtTrackRacing410 Not a competition lad both help a lot of people
@@DirtTrackRacing410 You sound like you have the mental maturity of a 12 yr old
No matter how sad or silly you think she is, people obsessed with her are way sadder. Instead of being mad at a system that overvalues conventional beauty and social capital, which are often afforded to people who are born with economic capital to begin with, they choose to harrass and dehumanize a particularly outrageous example of it, in spite of her showing clear signs of real struggle and suffering, probably because deep down they are not really mad that that's how the world works, they are mad bc they can't have the same.
Are you forgetting that she scammed people??
Yes. Someone posting over 2000 posts… a floor plan of her apartment. Ooof. People are pop psychologising her and not at all people who are hounding her.
In some ways, I appreciate she’s trolling them back at times. She’s mirroring them. Her: “I’ll keep posting about my haters” Them: “how sad. I’ll keep posting about her”
Also hound ppl who scam millions. What about constantly writing your representatives? How about obsessing enough about a thing to enact change? She is being held accountable and way more than ppl who are truly screwing us.
@@theworldofblue4385 I hope this is sarcasm.
If not, then you’re saying that just anyone has the right to mete out whatever judgment they see fit for whatever crime they feel someone has committed.
Who appointed you or anyone else as the bringer of karma on another human? Were you summoned to her moral/ethical jury?
Should you feel so entitled: does the punishment in this case fit the crime?
I think about this all the time!!!
@@theworldofblue4385 No, but do you really want to live in a world where anyone who ever does a mean, careless thing, gets thousands of strangers mapping their every move, researching every aspect of their past, armchair Dx'ing them with PD's even a real psych wouldn't dx under those conditions/at that young age, and viewing them as the face of modern evil?
At moments I feel for her, then she seems to love it and continue to knowingly feed it. Never heard of her before and going back to other stuff now.
I feel for her, BECAUSE she seems to love it and feed it. It's a sad pattern to be caught up in.
What else to do if it's happening othet than to try to accept the reality that is not the one she might want which would be no hate. Her dark humor is a survival mechanism to get through and is very relatable to ppl who use dark humor to deal with trauma or big emotions. To embrace the concept is hard to do in a way that does not feed the cycle of self-hatred and Communal hatred of her. Owning a bad scenario that is your life/from your own actions instead of barring feelings or pretending it isn't real I would argue to be more toxic for her and the haters. At the very least her self-awareness is nessesary for her to transverse her healing journey and move forward beyond her 20's.
Condolences to all therapists out there.
Indeed, so many Sick people on social media today, especially Girls. ME ME MEEEEEE, thats what girls think today.
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😁
wow, you way better. How to?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I really don’t understand the point of this
I made some really difficult, stupid and painful mistakes in my twenties. It was bad. But at least just a couple of people know about them. But the shame I still feel about it to this day is intense. It is really hard to have weird and wrong coping mechanisms to deal with the world around you and your desire to feel seen, heard and loved. I am so glad that I could at least experience it in a form of privacy. It will never haunt me in the way, that it will haunt Caroline.
If you read this, Caroline, just know: you are actually not alone with how you dealt with things. I get it. I truly do. The only way to get better is to take real responsibility and face your actions head on. And it seems like you are on a good path, which is great. I'll root for you, because I actually really empathize with you
❤
I lost my dad and went through a mental breakdown that led to many stupid choices. So I totally understand where she’s coming from. Hopefully she can find peace
Thank god for this comment. I mean, the immense hate here is really blowing my mind. Poor girl. I don't even know her. How could one not feel bad ? I've seen more sympathy for serial killers.
@@aphrodieMonkey Oh yeah, they loooove a good serial killer! God forbid, a woman made a couple stupid choices in her twenties, let's scrutinize her forever, she DESERVES it!
Didn't seem she was taking any responsibility for her actions in this. Actually seemed quite the opposite - she either minimized what she did, or made excuses for what she did throughout the entire thing. This was the first I've seen or heard of her, but I was actually pretty amazed at how little it seems she's changed in the last decade.
I really wish Caroline Callaway the best even though this is the first time I have learned about her existence. All she can do is learn from her mistakes, move forward, and do something really productive, meaningful, and successful in her life. Focus or trying to get attention from a-holes on Instagram, Reddit, etc. Is just going to make her or us feel worse than she does or we already do.
Unfortuanly this behavior isn't anything new, it's been called different thing throughout time. The difference now is that we have some tools to at least try to change it. Mental health needs to be more mainstream, it should go hand in hand with physical health. Every single person should have access to a mental health provider if they want one.
Joe, you just too broke to be making such comments. Go buy an influencer please 🙏
you right, nothing new.
hey, but at least you make it with others, without standing out and taking hits. pro moves there
In my opinion. Mental health will drive you mad
We definitely need more mental health awareness as a society. There are so many amazing tools to help people with mental health issues and most of the effective ones are not psych drugs(which don't seem to deal with the underlying issues).
No word on how she owes her former landlord in NY tens of thousands of dollars for completely trashing her former apartment? Reddit didn't make her do that. Who's lying by omission now?
she needs to off her self
Lol get a life
why do you care? she owes someone money and trashed her apparent. does that mean she deserves to be stalked and harassed by thousands of strangers daily?
@@AS-pg5zl Obviously not. Just keep in mind this woman is a highly unreliable narrator.
Caroline it seems is very lonely (and there’s no shame in that) and seems to be grieving her father in unhelpful ways. I think her mother is the only person in her life she is loved by. I do think she is very aware of her influence and has no qualms being a scammer bc it makes her money but it’s from a place where she feels wounded. Essentially, it’s a misuse of her energy and talent. Smh.
Shes hitting the wall.
That all may be true but it doesn’t in any way absolve this garbage charlatan from her predatory scams. She is a danger to society.
Well... This is the society we created.
Depending on how you define success she's either winning or treading water.
Talent? Where?
I’ve never heard about this what so ever but From what I can tell watching this,
Yo she is beyond help.
First of all she is obviously now lazy and a slob.. Not even going to hide when her mom comes over that she has a bottle of wine and pill bottles there…
She actually got into a good school with a shot at a really good education/future without faking it to make it so to speak.. AND the way she talks about it right off the bat sounds like she still obviously thinks too highly of herself still..
Straight up says she launched creativity work shops but didn’t actually have any intention of following through what so ever, even sold tickets.
She was upset that her friend “tries to take credit for her writing and make me seem like this ditsy influencer” when 10 seconds prior was stating that everything she said was completely true…🤦♂️
So now 9 minutes in she opens up about having Reddit which in the start she said she doesn’t post online, to then purposely find people that hate her and stir the pot.
I’d call anyone a scammer that makes people pre order a BOOK?!?
With how she left that place, anyone would be upset and I doubt a damage deposit would cover the cost to bring that back to what it was when she moved in.
“I’m leaving the internet and moving to tiktok” soo your not leaving the internet.
At the end said she had onlyfans but at the start was upset that people pick apart her personal life.
This video got her money though and I’d bet that she never has to work again in her life, ask anyone or 98% of people though if they never had to work again by choice they would be happy. In the end she is still ungrateful and unappreciative.
I don't know how she'll get any better being completely isolated like she is.
isolation breeds creativity and introspection is something all humans should do at some point in their life. 30's is a good time to start..
Buddhist Monks spend there entire life in isolation and some take an oath to never speak....
Discipline
Isolation CAN breed creativity. It can also breed severe depression, and usually you get both, not one or the other.
@@paaao depression in many respects is a symptom of a weak mind.. not saying your weak but it means you have work to do... if you are isolating and feeling depressed it means you need to work on your mental
@@PeterFnPorker I’m not depressed on a regular basis anymore. In my late 20s/early 30s yes. I’m not isolated like I was back in those days…
That’s the point. What you said is completely true, and social media is making it worse for the younger generation. Luckily social media was not a thing when I was younger.
Social media is a tricky beast, because it keeps you isolated, while conning you into thinking you’re still making real connections with people. Truth is, you’re not. You’re only dipping your toes in the connection pool, and telling yourself you got your bath for the day.
@@paaao "isolating" and going onto social media is not proper Isolation, but yeah your right about social media being toxic.
I had no awareness of Caroline before this video, but I have to say…
Selling a memoir, before you have written it, AND before you have lived the life experiences necessary to write a memoir? That is either a scam or a very ignorant business plan.
she jus hustling
Capitalism 😀
Or a delisuion of grandeur. She seems very unwell. Zeah, she scammed some people but nothing warranties such bullying and stalking, these people are crazy.
I’ve known people like this. They have big ideas and they think they can follow through, but then they can’t make themselves do it. They think that outside forces, like people paying for a pre-ordered book, will help them feel motivated. It makes things worse. I feel sorry for her.
Yeah, just don't sell something you can't deliver! It's not that complicated.
if you're wondering why this video is so sympathetic towards Caroline and doesn't push back on any of her statements, it's because her good friend directed it.
I’ve been looking for this comment! Lol
Thanks this is making it too cute for me
You will never find any form of mainstream or even alt-mainstream media (like Vice) that will ever produce a piece that speaks of any act performed by any woman with a sense of shame, accountability, or consequences attached to it. It has to be done with Pride, Attention, Praise and/or Sympathy being the lens we view it through.
People can argue this but you can't prove it wrong. Doesn't matter if she killed someone.
Wait WHAT? 🙃 What universe is this? Is it a scam in a scam???
All I see is a claim with no evidence.
I find her to be someone I can really sympathize with, but also someone who's incredibly out of touch who still struggles to take responsibility for herself.
Edit: after reading through some of the comments, I want to say that even if I think she's has wrongs she needs to right, I don't think that makes her an irredeemable person worthy of the dehumanization I see happening. Humans aren't black and white.
Well said. And who are they to scrutinize her afterall.
Thank you! She fucked up, a lot and publicly. But she doesn't deserve the degree of disdain people direct at her.
I would also argue that it is very human and relatable to be out of touch with aspects of oneself and their contributions in their own life being their's to own and take responsibility for. I think that most people struggle with these things and are putting ppl like her and judging them for not acting perfectly in response. I don't know any humans who are not somehow a hypocrite, liar, and struggle to take accountability for things that feel too hard to do. It's very human to be fluid. Taking responsibility is not something taught or intuitive at all to humans, when the goal is to persurve ourselves and survive. Taking responsibility unmasks the individual and makes them vulnerable which is very uncomfortable to put ourselves in that state of mine, because vulnerability could mean extreme consequences for being real with oneself. I think being hurt when ppl we feel we love and know their morals stray from that even a little, it's easy to forget when the last time we might have modified our values to meet the situation at hand and yet can still hold thos3 values close and be rooted in them deeply. Everyone strays from their compass. Not saying ppl don't need to take accountability, just think that ppl don't see how human it is to do something or say something that isn't perfectly aligned with what they portray is their values and principles. All humans are not exempt from this fault of the wildcard effect when humans choose to be spontaneous and a drift from their "self."
Also, coming from an addict myself (sober 6yrs) abusing amphetamines really messes up your mind. She may be sober now, but the damage is far longer lasting if not permanent...
She STILL CANT TAKE OWNERSHIP LOL. She literally just said she paid her friend to write for her, and a minute later she says she was devastated when her friend "tried to steal the credit for HER writing" ??? Lol
When you ghost write you can't come back to take credit after the fact.
@@BantanaAudio but when your a predatory scam artist do you get to try to avoid responsibility like this coward woman keeps doing?
Two authors can write under one...
@Bantana Audio nah there was already rift between them, she actually hired her friend once before manage her ig and due to a small dispute she trashed her all over online
She told that Natalie made it look like she build the whole brand, which was not true. She was only a ghost writer. And a friend. Not a good combination.
Imagine being at such an awful place in life that your purposely reach out to talk to people that hate you.
Been there
She’s looking for catharsis. Starving her ego. It’s an essential step in mental healing and growth.
@@madisonj5136 if that’s all you got that’s all you got
It was done just as filler content for this mini doc, I'm sure it's not like she would have done this on her own on a Sunday afternoon. 🙄
Come on now.
@@Bensux you're probably right. I didn't think of it that way. They filmed her around her house doing pretty much nothing, so this was a way to get her to do something for the camera.
"I'm leaving the internet, I'm going to tiktok." 😂
I’ve never heard of her, hopefully she gets better help.
I see what you did there
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has no idea who she is.
I think you all are missing the point of this video. She may be the first post-influencer, and there will be many many more like her that will go through these new age insanely difficult mental issues. This is showing the cost of being a celebrity on social media that maybe more kids should see.
its not social media..its the drugs and pills she takes..thank me later!
Lol the first idk bout that
That’s a good point. Honestly she seems like your typical American above average looking girl.
Thanks but pretty sure I can draw my own conclusions.
yea, people are dumb.
I can’t even imagine being an influencer while struggling with active addiction. I can’t imagine the humiliation she must feel. I feel like a lot of these comments are missing that piece of this. Substance abuse is no joke and we need to end the stigma. I hope she gets the help she needs.
How do we know that’s true though? I mean, she’s lied about practically everything else in her life. The girl who cried wolf
@@yourunmarathons She's clearly suffering deeply emotionally - anyone would. And you can see in these comments that she is being used as a punching bag by some really cruel individuals.
It's a choice tho
You’re being actively scammed by her STILL 😂 Under Darwinism’s rules you would be classified as WEAK in our species.
@@JamesWilliams-jf3hd I've never given her money so I'm not sure what she is scamming me out of. I just don't like to see another person being abused to this level.
She could have just paid someone to write the damn book.
Yes like that Harry Potter person
@@daixer3156LOL
Her friend did offer to ghostwrite a book for her, but at the last minute Caroline bailed and refused to let the book be published
This is the crux of the matter
She hired her old friend to ghost write but a fight broke out between them leading to her trashing her friend online
Having never heard of her before, Caroline’s story seems to be about a young person navigating mental illness, addiction and fame (or infamy). It’s something that we’ve all seen play out. The thing that I think REALLY needs to be explored in documentary format is the reality of people like Pigeon and the other Redditors. I’m so curious what would cause some people to devote so much time and effort to a cause like exposing Caroline, especially considering when given the ability to communicate with her directly, they totally switch up.
She just seems like a typical young woman
@@millennialsecularandauthri3338 typical *American young woman
@@chloefarmer3495 well she isn’t fat
Theres an hour long video up by Dangelo Wallace about her now. But basically, to summarize, she spends all her time wasting peoples money and lying to them about it. She keeps mentioning her addiction so people feel sorry for her, but she accepted a 500k book deal, knowing she never planned on writing the book. Blew it all on partying. Asked people to pay her for a preorder of her book that she still hasn't written. Blew all that money on partying. She comes from a wealthy family, used to literally live in the richest city in america, and would constantly beg people for money just to blow it all on something unnecessary. She even chose to stop paying rent, got sued, and then countersued by saying she was too poor to pay rent. WHILE taking everybodys money and lying to them.
She's basically a narcissist who wanted to be famous for writing a book, but never actually wanted to write a book and lied to the people that supported her financially. Even years and years after her addiction issue was no more. Even now, she finally released a mess of a book (only because she wanted to release a book before her ex friend who she hates for no reason) and had people pay 100 for it, knowing she didn't plan on shipping it out.
She took money from a skincare company who wanted her to be the face of a new skincare product called "snake oil," because shes so known for lying and scaming at this point.
She accepted, for the money. She put these products together on her living room floor, got complaints about her cats hair being inside the product, and then told people they were lucky there wasn't MORE cat hair, inside this 2 ounce bottle of grapeseed oil that they paid $80 for.
She's a narcissist who liked the idea and aesthetic of Cambridge academia. She wanted to be the face or voice of this aesthetic, knowing she didn't want to write a book. So she lied to people about it to take their money and their book deals.
This is so, so much worse and deeper than just buying followers. I completely forgot she did that because it doesn't compare to everything else.
So why is she on a documentary if she wants to get away from social media
Because she owes her ex-landlord insane amounts of money after completely trashing her once-apartment, and never having worked a stable job a day in her life, she doesn't know how to make money but off attention on the internet
Can't stop, won't stop.
Because she wants attention. Why else do "influencers" do what they do? Attention.
She's mental.
Good question, D. 🧐 wondering the same
No idea who she is, zero. She come accross as someone who has wasted her time and other peoples time. She is young and will recover from this insignificant series of irrelevant episodes. I wish her the best to build something new and impactful.
We have lost an ENTIRE generation on self-absorbed, narcissistic and entitled people. The world is full of people who think themselves way too important.
What about the generation ruled by narcissistic dictators haha
That Reddit page is so heinous. Truly truly scary how angry and mean these people are
reddit is a shithole
We live in a vile world. I think we're actually existing in Pandora's box.
@8 of Wands Ahhh, but a tremendously beautiful world too. There is always the other side....always. Be well.
@@phillumenistfilms True. Let's not forget the last thing Pandora found in the Box was hope. 💗💗
@@8ofwands300yeahhhh, along with EVERY MISERY IN THE WORKD.
Because that balances out.
After all this, she's got all the content needed for a book
Thought the same thing.
She'll never be able to sit down and write it though
and who said you can't write about something while experiencing it?
This is why "any" publicity isn't good publicity.
Did I miss the part where she goes to work?
I'm wondering if that's the main problem with these influencers. They're bored and unmotivated and life lacks meaning.
No legit job. Ever. How does she afford her life?
She's 30...30...and still giving 21 year old vibes with a 21 year old mind. I'm confused about this whole thing. Stay tf off social media if you're that wounded. I'm so confused.
Her vocal fry is unbearable
It's not even truly a fry, it's just straining her throat like she's strangling herself from the inside.
It's people like this that make me stay away from social media. It's sad
Most people on social media don’t even see ‘influencers’ or people like that on their feeds. These people are only involved if you follow them
Agreed
I dont feel sorry for people like this.
That's 23 minutes I'll never get back.
You saved me 20! Thanks!
I don't know why she can't just leave social media, reddit, the internet, and live a peaceful life. Why all the calls to the haters? Why all the obsession? Refund them, apologize, move on.
Good Lord! I don't understand. Are we supposed to feel sorry for her?
if anything this documentary add fuel to the fire because I didn't even know who she was and this video made me not like her. She put it all upon herself
That's what she clearly wants yeah. It's a documentary though it's intention is to document what has happened and the effects on this person. It's not intended to make you feel a certain way, that's up to you.
@@TheTechDweller IMO, this is not even close to scratching the surface of all the abhorrent things she’s done, and it’s leaning toward garnering sympathy for her by showing the “hate” she gets, rather than her taking accountability for her actions, how she betrayed her friends + co-workers in numerous ways, and showing the reasonable comments who give her fair criticism which is the vast majority of people. It’s hard to feel bad for a scammer.
Honestly I feel bad for her, but she also seems far from taking accountability.
She does appear to be on a path towards beginning to take accountability and be honest about what she has done however I agree that she is far from being there just yet. It was an interesting documentary to watch.
Having a cat that's so chill you can hang out at the beach with it is all the aspiration you need.
That was honestly the most shocking part of the video for me. I'd never see my cats again 😭
How is she making a living nowadays? How does she pay her bills (and affords all those books!) in Florida? The video makes it seem like she still lounges all day reading books and playing with her cat. I feel like Vice left some pretty large blindspots on their reporting there.
So basically, she learned absolutely nothing.
Sounds about right.
Histrionic personality disorder is such a misunderstood mental health disorder. I feel a sadness to think the internet only fuels this with no concept of the further damage they could be doing.
With the Reddit situation - their take seems pretty spot on. She has such an insatiable craving for attention that she's turning to them to satisfy it. If she truly wanted to turn over a new leaf, she'd acknowledge she's lied, used and abused, and move on with her life. She's clinging to the vestiges of the ship wreck that was her past in an attempt to regain the identity she once fooled people into believing she had. Get a real job, a real identity, and get real honest with yourself about your intentions behind why you do what you do, and move on.
Also, she's still making excuses. The guy she spoke with on the phone gave it to her straight - she stole people's money - and she twisted it into "the book's late". Reminds me a whole lot of Amber Heard insisting that she donated money, intentionally convoluting what it means to promise to donate something, and actually donate it. Her whole affect while on the phone with people seems incredibly artificial. The reason people speak about her like she's not a real person, is because she quite literally has always presented herself as not a real person. She has a constructed image and identity and as long as she craves the public's eye, and outlets like Vice help her indulge in it, she won't improve.
Wow. Am I the only one who wants a Pidgeon doc instead of Caroline?
I dont get it. This video was as empty as she is. Maybe that's the point
How does she fund such an ‘I do nothing but read and write’ lifestyle now?
Probably still scamming people.
And thanks to vice she gets a couple more minutes of fame.
She says the article from her friend is the truth but uses the trusty old excuse of addicts of saying that addiction made her do all these things and doesn't actually apologise or explain her behaviour beyond that. I feel absolutely terrible for her, having lost multiple family members to addiction and mental health and suicide. but she needs to take some serious accountability for her actions.
I really hope everyone involved in this strange little "subculture" finds peace. Especially the Redditors who devote large chunks of their time to obsessively analyzing and critiquing every available aspect of a strangers life... yikes.
I have no idea who this girl is but I know 2 things,1 this video still tries to make her important, and 2 this girl still thinks she is important. while yes, EVERYONE is important, - your petty drama is not. get therapy.
all this series does is highlight truly terrible and unstable people
Was thinking the same thing.
Idk. I think it also highlights how the consequences of publicly making mistakes/behaving dysfunctionally in the age of the internet and social media.Those consequences aren't carefully reserved for the deeply, intractably terrible. If you think about how many people have served hard time for crimes they didn't commit... of course these internet justice campaigns will hit people who've made lesser mistakes, or got framed/wrong-place-wrong-time.
this was directed by one of the only people who will still claim her as a “friend”, so……not very objective.
And I believe she financed it, so there you go.
i think it's quite powerful to see a friends perspective
Her vocal fry is too irritating to listen to for more than 5 min
Her voice reminds me of my cousin's voice. It sounds inauthentic and also has this condescending quality. I can close my eyes and if she had a southern accent (an exceptionally thick one for extra attention), I'd be like o.O "Christy?? Is that you??"
i am so thankful and grateful i was born before the chaos of social media, the only thing we had to worry about ,was getting home when the street lights came on i feel sorry for the generation of today living in such toxic mayhem of their own making
I feel sorry for your beeper
@@daixer3156 Surprisingly still used by doctors to this day.
I hear you. I was born in '77, by the time social media was a thing, I was a "professional" (whatever that means) and had way too much on my plate to give two shits about instagram and all that.
@@MichaelHong-um1nsthat sounds cool. i was born in 98, i only got on Instagram at 18yo. Still not ideal, but at least my childhood & early teen years were free of smartphones & compulsive social media addictions. At least i have a "before" to compare to 😟
That is something I will never experience . . . thank you for your insight. But I must say that this had not been wholly the making of my generation: it's the people who are at the top of these social media platforms who prioritise profit over all else who are at the root of this mess ❤
This was really an eye-opening expose on perceived fame, raw sadness, and eclipsed expectations from fans, haters, and CC first and foremost. And I too own a siamese named Cyrus. The best breed.
Scammers 🤝 Instagram
Interesting how she didn't mention any of the anti-semitism & racism...
Can't. They'd can't do shame, accountability, or consequences when telling a woman's story in mainstreamto alt-mainstream media. Has to be sympathy, pride, attention, or praise or it's not told at all.
This can't be worth 23 minutes can it? The squirt instructor (doing the Lord's work) only got 8 minutes to his video
The lack of respect is so potent... lack of respect for books, lack of self respect, lack of respect for other's feelings.
The only thing likable about her is... she survived. She has an unique set of bad experience, as she has no options, she should mend it into her potential, wear it somehow as a badge of humbled honour. I sincerely hope she sees better days ahead.
My biggest fear is getting everything I wanted in life... then finding out its not what makes me truly happy. GL Calloway.
Really?
Bruh no need for the quotation marks. She definitely is a scammer. I didn't hear too much about accepting responsibility, but plenty on how tough her life is
never heard of her so no judgement apart from this as a first impression...comes across as abit of a psycho tbh
Social media and attention seeking really are forms of addiction. Her closing statement really brings the point home. "I really wanted fame, I wanted everyone to think I was perfect and they did, but being famous didn't make me anywhere near as happy as I thought it would," should be a precautionary slogan for everyone who gets their validation from sources like Instagram. It's all fake, and chasing that high only ends in disappointment.
Her real addiction is the social media reactions…not the pills.
I hate what we have become.
I wish so badly we can turn back time...
This is a prime example of why people need to socialize live and in person..
And why the internet and social media needs to be strictly limited if not totally cut off from the world's children...
Parents need to unplug the screens and check into reality..
If you ignore all these so called influencers, they will disappear.
Someone needs to do this to Kylie Jenner and the Kardashians.
i love these kinds of comments from pre teens
Can I ignore you?
Psychotherapists will forever have job security because of social media’s effect on such people.
This is what happens when you base your income off of internet popularity and don't build actual skills that transfer to other sectors in the workplace. Hopefully all of these reactionary video creaters are saving cash because life can last a long time and no one stays in the lime light forever.
And that’s the kind of mentality that will never solve this situation. Instead of realizing the real mental health help that these people need from society, you pit all the blame on ,”should’ve known better.” Your lack of sympathy is what will delay the real help and tools that anyone like this genuinely needs.
They need better exit plans and support system
She doesnt seem broke. that view was nice.
Sucks when people get manipulated by manipulators but also people need to stay away from this. Take some responsibility for your own actions
Maybe I have been living under a rock, but I had no idea who she was before watching this.
What an embarrassment of a video. Is this still Vice?
Now do a series with people who actually met her IRL. I think they have some more valid things to say....
i have hung out with her multiple times and in my personal experience she is incredibly kind, generous, hilarious and compassionate
Who is she? Also,why on earth is someone taking her seriously...something is wrong with her
Caroline and I are the same age and we definitely aren't old enough to have smoked on planes...
She wouldn't have smoked on a plane, but she said that people used to smoke on planes.
I'm a little bit older than this woman, but I remember an uncle sat in the smoking section of the plane during the flight.
People like this are pathological. They will not even realize they’re lying it’s done so fluidly…
@Jedirie J interesting fact is some airplanes have ash trays like you said and also put them in bathrooms because people are dumb and will smoke anyways so they are put there to at least have somewhere to put the hot ashes and not set the plane on fire
airlines didn't just Throw away air planes or throw away every seat in every airplane after smoking was outlawed! Lol. I'm not defending her but you said a dumb thing. I'm her age and air planes ONE HUNDRED percent had ash trays in the arm rests for years after smoking was outlawed. If you were a kid in the 90s and you flew on a plane you would have fiddled with the ashtray mechanism on your arm rest.
it was just an analogy
I wonder what all these books are doing in her room?
Does she buy them just to use them for background in her videos?
Mental health is important and I hope she finds peace! But at the end of the day she took preorders in 2020 for a book that she never delivered, and continues to sell things on the internet that people have a difficult/impossible time being reimbursed for when those items don’t arrive. I can have sympathy for her but it doesn’t make her likable
Talk about JoJoRabbit
we need a few more like her......to help break the Gen Z (and younger) obsession with social media and "influencers"..... STOP THE PHONY !
Pipe down holden Caulfield
She needs to drop the valley girl speaking tone. This feels like she is still manipulating.
I didn’t know who she was but I would never like to even come across this woman from a visible distance. As a former victim of a sociopath I can clearly see she feels no empathy whatsoever and without even trying, manipulates every single situation on her favor, even crimes. Fucking scary. No, we’re not impressed.
Someone is butthurt that natalie is still a better writer…
She seems to have a tenuous grasp on reality. She lives in her own world.
I hope this wasn’t set up to make people feel bad about her because I definitely do not.
Yeah, same. I would feel bad if she didn't care and moved on with her life. But it seems like she is still dwelling on the past.
Someone commented above this Vice clip portrays her in a sympathetic way because it was directed by her friend who works at Vice. Isn't that some form of unethical journalism? She is the typical type of woman I loathe.
There is nothing interesting about this woman. 7 minutes in and I don't know what or she's complaining about being victimized by...
Is this a documentary about a sociopath?
I never heard of this woman, but surely the bigger story is, why did so many people follow her?
Birds of a feather...
@@marshalchristman9757 flock together
I don't know who she is either.. Just cringing this is.. For attention.. Smh..
Hey Vice you guys forgot to put this in the description...
"SPONSORED AD"
How do you know that? Pure speculation??
@@yeurslovingly apparently her friend directed this video
I honestly was almost very very very close to actually feeling empathy towards her…. Thanks god I watched in full… yeah she’s just stuck in her head in her own little fairytale land 🤦🏽♂️ best of luck to her 😐
She ripped off a LOT of people, and is *proud* to call herself a scammer. She made being a scammer her brand! Go on the smolbean subreddit for a timeline. She’s disgusting.
addicted to all forms of attention. Sad. I wonder what her life would have been like if she did not join social media.
Simps are gonna simp.
EXACTLY. I don’t get way walking away from social media for ever ISNT a viable option for her. Probably because she can’t fathom not having people interview her
She would be a nasty human regardless. Stop blaming external things for people being shitty. You’re just making up reasons for her to not be responsible for her own choices and actions.
May be a fairy boat captain
People making money out of doing nothing while others work hard for a fraction.
Her book should be called narcissistic
A narcissist is someone who wants EVERYTHING (money, power, fame, glory, attention, etc.), but doesn’t want to put in the effort/hard work to attain the aforementioned, with their own merit.
This is extremely cringy.
There elements of ChrisChan to it
I agree everything was hand it for her, not one book she has wrote
Cringy is harassing someone on the internet
Why is this on Vice?