The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy: John J. Mearsheimer
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2015
- A panel featuring John J Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen M. Walt of Harvard"i? 1/2 s John F. Kennedy School of Government."The Israel Lobby"i? 1/2 "i? 1/2was originally published in the London Review of Books in March 2006. It provoked both howls of outrage and cheers of gratitude for challenging what had been a taboo issue in America: the impact of the Israel lobby on U.S. foreign policy. Now in The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Mearsheimer and Walt deepen and expand their argument and confront recent developments in Lebanon and Iran.
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It is so tiresome that any reasonable critique of Israel is automatically flagged as anti-semitism and racism.
They are a country like any other. Their leaders are open to criticism. Their foreign policy is too.
I've only recently discovered John Mearshimer and I really appreciate his level headed analysis.
It's pretty bad when you have to start the talk with a disclaimer proclaiming your allegiance and love for Israel.
@Suebian I don't believe we have a free society anyhow.
Also, note that this was 15 years ago (the conference). Nowadays, things are way, way worse in that regard.
It takes immense courage to stand there and talk about this subject.
Sad commentary on the self proclaimed chosen people who your afraid of.
@@GregoryJByrne There is good reason to fear. For example certain personages that didn't hang themselves. Or even dead presidents. Not that I could prove any of this but yeah "Saboteurs by night, instead of armies by day"
He's got connections I think, saying things some security agencies can't say themselves, we know how it goes 👩💼🇺🇲⚒️🇷🇺
@joseph deutsch brevity is the soul of wit. Hard to understand exactly what you are saying Bro. I read Jewish writers in order to gain perspective on Israel. Much of what you stated simply isn’t the truth.
Mearsheimer is tenured at U. of C.
Criticizing Israel's policy is too often labeled anti semitic. I'm Christian, liberal, and I m American but grew up and lived all over the world, so I'm cosmopolitan and anything but xenophobic. Criticism of Israel to me is like criticism of the US, it is offered in good faith and it's much needed. So this talk is welcome.
it is *always* labeled as anti-semitism.
@@quadpumped34 no it's not, Israeli's fully expect criticism, but too many of the commenters in this thread would happily make comments such as 'the jews...' THAT is not appropriate.
US giving $10,000,000+ a day to Israel as a welfare state is crazy. National infrastructure and internal issues should take precedence.
"Israel lobby has chilling effect on dissenting views". *gets deplatformed* kinda proves his point, doesn't it?
I was a teacher at a NYC university where people could and did criticize President Obama (and other presidents), but one world leader was NOT discussed freely: PM Netanyahu, because of intimidation and a general condemnation of anything remotely critical of Israel. This chilling effect will continue to keep Jewish Americans somewhat suspect in the eyes of those of us who want the USA to be fair and even-handed in the Middle East, and NOT a cheerleader for one side no matter how unjust and un- -American. I see the Israel Lobby as detrimental to American foreign policy as was the McCarthy era of the Fifties.
In 1948, the UN partitioned the land whittled down from the boundries set by the League of Nations to an undefensible sliver with the rest going to set up another Arab State. The Jews accepted it-the Arabs rejected it and attacked the new State of Israel with the intent to destroy it and throw the Jews into the sea (genocide) as they proudly proclaimed. They have not ceased since in this goal and have launched constant attacks and 3 major military attempts to destroy Israel. Miraculously, each time they lost men and territory including Judea and Samaria. Israel's treatment of the Muslims of Gaza and the West Bank are obviously in self defense and whaen the "Palestinians" decide to put down their weapons and stop their terrorism there will be peace. As Golda Meir famously said-" If the Jews put down their weapons there will be genocide, if the Arabs put down their weapons there will be peace".
@@dlcalliope yet virtually all the Zionist Jews there were foreigners, most so recently arrived they would not even qualify to apply for citizenship under the laws of just about any country on earth, in fact a significant percent were illegal immigrants too. So the UN mandated partition of Palestine’s & creation of Israel was done in the name of foreigners against the interest of the local longstanding native population. Something that would not be accepted by any country on the planet
@@dlcalliope ::
Golda Meir made some pretty reprehensible comments about Palestinians :: "There's no such 'people' as Palestinians".
The last quote of her's that you mentioned is completely self-serving for Israeli policies ::
'If Israel puts down its weapons, there will be genocide". If the Palestinians put down their weapons, there will be peace".
The responsibility for Peace is placed on the Palestinians. The people who have brutally dis-placed them, are the victims.
It's very similar to a statement I've heard, elsewhere from an Israeli ::
"We can forgive the Palestinians for killing _our_ children, but we can't forgive them for making us kill _their_ children".
Both of these statements are diabolical by their nature and glorifies Israel, the aggressor, at the same time.
Meir doesn't mention why (?) the Palestinians have taken up weaponry against Israel which has Nuclear Weapons.
The last statement is simply a dreadfully phrased act of barbarism.
If Israel had the moral-stature, She won't be killing Children, under any circumstance.
Senator McCarthy was vindicated by the Venona papers.
@@southafricanizationofsociety20 ::
Thank you for mentioning the Venona Papers. According to those "papers" ( I looked them up after reading your comment ), offered "proof" the Rosenbergs were quilty, but they didn't exonerate McCarthy going after 100's of people with accusations of Communism.
Stating the obvious. Americans should put America interests first. Why should that be controversial?
Amazing all the rhetorical precautions these guys take...tells a lot.
"And it doesn't work."
No kidding.
Israel is great elephant in room in American foreign policy.
The ever tilted US policy towards Israel, America has earned huge negative image for America in the Islamic world.
True. Liking the Israel lobby to all other lobby groups is a stretch. Nobody believes that.
Seems like they are under pressure from Israel too. And the Difficulties to get this Panel on a stage just supports that "conspiracy theory"
It is easier and safer to dismiss all questions and critiques as conspiracy theories, rather than to objectively study their individual points.
if you want to know who rules over you, ask you who you are not allowed to criticize- Voltaire
I applaud the authors for having to courage to write this book.
Isn't it amazing that it's considered an act of bravery to simply speak the truth about Jews?
@@slappy8941 I think it is better to say "Israelis" than "Jews". There are plenty of Jews who think that what Israel is doing is awful.
Agreed ..... a very well thought out and researched approach to the many issues of Israel, Jewish arguments, Palestine and middle east issues, etc. Kudos to both of these authors for such a reasoned approach to a difficult and complex but important issue.
@@TheLabecki its a tough line to tread between criticizing Israel and shutting down accusations of antisemitism, and shutting down people who simply agree with you, not because they care about Palestinian lives, but because they themselves are antisemitic.
@Mutant Pig well that goes back to the first 5-10 minutes of the video where he says the Israel lobby smears its opponents as antisemitic. People don't understand how susceptible they are to propaganda so they buy into that
Excellent lecture, and kudos to the University of Chicago for hosting it
@@muhammedaydn4268 Hi Aydin, it's been a while since I've watched the lecture, and I don't have time to watch it again, but from what I remember, the speakers highlight the under-acknowledged influence of Israeli lobby groups on U.S. politics
Talking bad about Israel , is not anti Semitic it’s , anti Zionism.
horseshit - Zionism is a social movement, not a nation state.
We get it. Everything you don’t like is antisemitic.
Thank you and keep at it, propaganda and bullies can’t silence truth.
well so far they've been pretty successful, still ton of people thinking that israel is a victim that needs protection.
The Zionists, can silence anyone. Easily the most powerful group in the world
@@quadpumped34 ..and a ton of people who know better, but are too scared to speak.
I think these two professors are being too polite for the truth.
You don't have to be insulting and loud to tell truth. It is usually liars who do that. It is bad for your health. Carry a big stick and speak softly was Teddy Roosevelts belief.
The reason they are being " too polite" is because they stand alone in speaking out. 99℅ of the public media and politicians say nothing and take no risks and they are both aware that if anything they say sounds anti semitic that everything they say thereafter will be disqualified as the expressions of a person who is biased or antisemitic, if more people had the courage that they have they might be allowed to be more direct and less apologetic
@@brianbozo2447 exactly what I thought
Israel was once offered US statehood, to which Israel replied, “oh, that’s very nice of you, but would mean we’d only have 2 senators.”
The USA nation has become a politically/financially, militarily enslaved population, aka attack dogs owned/controlled by the aforementioned Country...
@@mrs.hancock4124 No book, no academic findings, no political statements can obfuscate the obvious truth.
Stalin offered to be an ally to Israel to which the Israelis replied, "we are not that kind of socialist". That knockback caused Jo to begin (another) pogrom against Soviet Jews...he then died.
Jon Wilcox: You heard that from Ray McGovern, did you not?
Yes!
Uss liberty!!
Ssssshhhhhhh you aren't supposed to talk about it!
Amazing! It's so unusual to hear objective discussion of this subject. I am surprised RUclips has not censored it. I suspect they will eventually.
Facebook keeps messing with my posts. Blocking things which are silly. Who are those censors? 20 year olds who have no clue?
@@1m2rich Zuckerberg controls what Facebook censors. Larry Page and Sergei Brin control what Google and RUclips censor.
The only reason you seen this was because RUclips recommended it.
They r doing it. Not totally, though. But one can suppose that the numbers of viewers and likes are x-higher than shown.
The comments to your statement are not visible to me.
Remember all those UN motions condemning the settlements that were vetoed by the USA. By what imagination will you argue that that
America doesn't need to be going to war because it is in the interest of some other nation. We are not attack dogs, and our citizens value their lives too!
I am deeply impressed by clear and illuminative argumentation of both authors.
Mr. Mearsheimer is so intelligent, love hearing him speak.
Oh my god haha. Ive just started looking into this a few months ago and I'm hearing more alarming things every day.
Found "US Liberty" yet ?
I admire you both a lot for your truth and courage.
@Aleks Klev Nobody here is buying what your selling. The intimidation policy that you and your masters practice is, frankly, repulsive. That you and I are of the same species is horrifying.
I can't believe this has only 3,605 views as of 2020
1. It is unknowed in Germany, 2. this youtube is forbidden in Germany
Exactly
Maybe because it is ignorant, boring, and self-serving tripe based upon lies.
@Harun rashid Funny.
Are you really? Remember what topic this presentation is on. I’m surprised it’s not taken down.
01:40 Stephen M Walt
21:00 John J Mearsheimer
41:50 questions & answers
I like the guy at 56:00 when he says they are overly apologetic and they bend over backwards to be defensive. Then Mearsheimer says, "Correct. And it doesn't work."
Gosh, what a bummer that these sleazebags are ignored for their abhorrent Jew Hatred.
@@MessyTimes if you detected any hatred anywhere, and not just calm logic, then you brought it with you
@@MessyTimes What are your counter-arguments against their research? I think their case is very strong. In fact, I’d say they don’t go far enough.
I'm 71 years old and grew up thinking Israel could do no wrong. I had Jewish neighbors and knew we were very much the same sort of people and had very much the same attitudes about life or at least we shared the same neighborhoods and could easily understand each other, A Jewish identity was something Jewish people had to remind me of, not something I tended to notice or even care much about. And even as a kid the schools reminded us of the abuses of the Nazi regime but it became an almost exclusively Jewish holocaust over the years and the nearly equal number of other people the Nazi's didn't want around were never really mentioned. The death camps were multifunctioning. .
But in college I started to hear about the Palestinians and realized the story was not so one sided. If I did hear about it, the media made it always a case that the Palestinians were usually radicals and dangerous and the Israelis were brave defenders against persecution. Nearly 20 years later, The internet gave access to information like UN history and resolutions I had never really heard much about regarding the torturous history of Israeli-Palestinian relations that was not easy to see without it. That blew the roof off the subject and I no longer believe Israel can do no wrong. BTW - I was not interested in politics, hardly ever read newspapers and listened to TV and radio news like it was musak or semi informative wallpaper..
I know one has to tread carefully when discussing Israel and it is guaranteed aggravating and frustrating to even think about it. But I am kind of disgusted with the idea of Zionism for the simple reason one couldn't found anything like that philosophy in this country or under our constitution. European countries, and many others, may have de facto ethnic or religious identities but I don't think any of them make that identity a part of their own constitutions. The Middle East still clings to its religious and ethnic identities by law and perhaps that's the only place that Zionism can really exist? They all tend to think the same way and that's such a pity and as far I as I'm concerned and not to be admired. I feel no obligation to believe in the rightness or justice of the idea of a Jewish homeland. It may have been a source of great joy and comfort following WWII but it sure doesn't look so splendid or right today. The whole region is looking more and more like an outlier.
I was born in a country where religious and ethnic identity did not guarantee one a "Homeland" with "one's kind" and I find it very hard to support others who think that is necessary. Ethnic neighborhoods have their charm but they are not really something it is very admirable to fight or die for and they probably wouldn't be at all charming if they did. We moved around a lot when I was younger and I never seemed to acquire a taste for that kind of exclusivity. It can tend to make bigotry and narrow mindedness some kind of virtue.
*Corrected:
If not for Hitler and the Haavara Agreement between National Socialist Germany and Zionist leaders to repatriate Jewish people to Palestine along with monetary support from Hitler , the Zionist project might very well have withered upon the vine early on.
The British and the Arabs' diplomatic pressure stopped the influx of European Jews and ended NS German support for a state of Israel
@@georgejackson4424 - I never heard of that and hope that isn't another internet invention. But the internet is so good at promulgating both true and false claims it may neutralize the effectiveness of all information altogether. I'll look it up never the less. But didn't the French hold Palestine at the time? .I thought because France was occupied the British moved into Palestine during the war. I know the Arab world never welcomed an incursion of refugees (or deportees as you claim). I really hate this tar baby issue.
BTW - what do you mean by "British and Arab diplomatic"? You might want to edit.
@@paulrosa6173 There were actually coins struck by NS Germany for the Haavara agreement which had a swastka on the front and a Star of David on the back .
Zionists tend to censor and obfuscate things unfavorable to their cause, in this case it would be bad optics for the claim that Hitler planned on killing all the Jews for nothing but sheer hate.
The French held the Syrian Mandate , not Palestine .
I'll fixed my previous post to include the accidentally omitted word *pressure, after the word "diplomatic"
@@georgejackson4424 - You have poor analysis skills. Yes Hitler TOOK MONEY from Jews so they could leave Germany, the programs were sketchy and limited, and in any case were not determinative re the Zionist movement to migrate to Israel.
@@georgejackson4424 - You are a jackass. You Hitler obsessed freak can never put 2+2 together. You are like a person who's read some poor books and then declares he knows a lot.
6 years, and only 56k views, 222 comments. I’m surprised this was even covered.
thx god, there're still fair people in the u.s. 💖
America is a nation that has willingly given foxes free reign in the hen house
Admire your courage for talking about the elephant in the room!
What "courage" does it take to spout ignorant Jew Hatred? One wonders why of all the countries on earth these two shitheads are so preoccupied with Israel?
Being a Jew does not mean I slavishly support every Israeli government policy.
@@MessyTimes No Jew hatred was uttered, merely justified criticism.
If you were an adult you'd know the difference.
@@gerardjagroo Oh, burn! You got me! I'll go stop drop and roll. Mr Jagroo, thank you for correcting me from seeing what I had THOUGHT was the truth about these two pimples on the anus of Jew Hatred. I've been familiar with their "work" since I was at the University of Chicago, which institution decided they would rather have them on faculty than ever get a dollar from this alumnus. It is amazing how many people have reams of "justified criticism" regarding Israel who have NO OTHER OPINIONS about American foreign affairs. But thanks for clarifying that I am not an adult, because that silly ad hominem attack really convinced me to change my thinking. Who needs decades of experience when two sentences from a member of the Jagroo Clan would suffice?
I guess I'll never be able to be in the US government then. I find it odd that the lobby for a foreign nation can determine what I can or can't do as an American. I hold no irrational view points. I simply believe we send too much support Isreal. It should be dramatically reduced.
They passed money for Israeli weapons of billions while millions of Americans are sick and many dying of COVID. They worry about the debt but not those billions to Israel. People unemployed and homeless here. Israel got money in less than a week. We who pay those taxes had to wait many months for a one time payment of $1400 from Congress. It is our money not theirs or Israel.
@@1m2rich
Not to long ago I read that all the money we give to Israel, which is over ( 7) Billions every year, they don't really need it, so what they do with it, first they make sure they get it the very moment they funds get expropriation! Then they keep it in a New York bank and then lend it back to the government for a hefty interest!
They actually have accumulated a vast amount of Billions!
It HAS been dramatically reduced, by 60 years of inflation.
@@Clavers1369 actually every year is adjusted for inflation!
Well, I guess you should ask other national people how they feel lobby from other countries affect them as well. That's how the world works, elements from other countries try to influence each other for their own interest. Israeli influence seems an oddity, but it is fairly common and not just limited to them. Anyway, that's just result of money from lobbying and campaign donations in American politics. In other countries these legal acts would be considered illegal bribery even in corrupt countries like in South America (which suffers from lobby from lot of American corporations by the way).
Read 'Big Israel' (Grant Smith, 2016). It's a revelation on this subject.
Just ban lobby groups
..including Planned Parenthood....
Anti semite.
@@1969cmp all of them
In general, people that justify their bad behaviour based on stories of past mistreatment by people you don't even know, and that think "being against them" means there's something wrong with you no matter your reasons, are the very last people you should trust.
Why aren't these emeritus gentlemen at the heart of US foreign policy? Thank you for enlightenment provided?
They are usually advisors.
Thanks for your courage.
Would I be right in thinking that similar powerful lobbies also exist in the UK and in Germany?
Hats off to Steven and John for the effort!
We should eliminate all special interests groups, as well as dark money, so that intellectual historians, scientists and other highly educated intellectuals, who should be a vital part of all political, economic, environmental and strategic decisions, made by our leaders are based on knowledge, and wisdom, not special financial interests…moderate, moderate and moderation is almost always the best policy, except when all efforts have failed, like WWII…great discussion!!
@Suebian you really think so, hmmmm, how so?
Mersheimer has more integrity and bigger cojones than his colleague. I mean dude spent more time throwing disclaimers, almost apologizing, than making the actual points of his presentation.
Because he has had to deal with the same vitriolic attacks in their tens of thousands for many years. Each 'disclaimer', is probably shutting down one of the commonest accusations, each time.
As a Jew Hating fuckstain whose mother should be prosecuted for failing to abort him, Mearsheimer in his own twisted way has "integrity" in the sense of hewing to his Jew Hatred no matter what.
@@MessyTimes Other than his valid criticism of Israel and it's hugely influential lobby in the US, what evidence do you have for calling him an anti-semite? You said some vile shit there, you better have some pretty good evidence. Zionist and Jew are not the same thing, as he bloody well goes out of his way to emphasise.
Very impressed with the balanced and thoughtful presentations and debate. The manner in which this discussion was held gives me hope for humanity.
Plus I should point out that I am a 58 year old British man, living in the Northwest of England not the reincarnation of a more controversial character who shares my name.
Thank you University of Chicago for allowing these wonderful gentlemen to speak. Those who try to stop ( the Israel lobbyists) them speaking largely show their hand that the Israel is now a state akin to South Africa up until it ended apartheid. I am not an Arab nor have any connections to the middle east. But I can see the grave injustice being perpetrated upon Palestinians.
Well said nxu. ISRAEL is nothing more than a modern apartheid state. However much it is denied.
I wish this was even partially true
so many feelings, but thank you for this
In political speech, the expression "American values" is frequently used. Americans' values are the values held by most of the American people and the values that American politicians would like others to believe underlie US foreign policy. One could also draw conclusions about American values from what the US government does abroad and even domestically. Americans' values and American values as discernible from the latter are very different. I think it essential that the two terms be carefully differentiated at the start of any discussion in which they are used.
We all came from our mothers as equals."Slave is equal to master." There are no Jewish Chosen people like there was no Nazi Master race.
@@GregoryJByrne I think most Americans care very little about foreign policy at all. it berely gets mentioned in the news. we haven't had a foreign policy president since George HW Bush. We'd probable disagree with many policies if we thought about it but we don't and aren't likely to think about it. Being an unchallenged superpower allows us the luxury of ignorance.
The ignorance is further fueled by Israel who holds the ropes tied to the nose of US and whichever direction it movies that's the direction US goes. Like like the little master directing the strong horse it is riding. And we can all see who's the master and who's the horse
Much done politically without our knowledge or permission with our lives and money.
@@muhammadabirhossain7216 Actually you say we can all see but since they own and control the Media and Money very few can see.
You don't know what you don't know.
The Family who controls the timelines of the past control the future. The Descendants of Abraham's family who own and control the Media and Money control the past.
George Orwell replaced He with Rudolf Hess's final words The Family is Wrong.
Good Luck ideological brother. We all came from our mothers as equals. "Slave is equal to master."
"For what does it benefit man to gain the whole world only to lose his SOUL?" Praise Jesus The road to hell is paved with good intentions and narcist's.
We are in the END TIMES due to the Precession of the 7 north stars Jesus held in his hand to warn US.
The Galactic Milankovitch cycles cause our ice/tropical 60,000 year trend climate cycles and cataclysmic climate cycles every 12,000 years not CO2. All due to the increase decrease of energy our solar system receives in accordance with the 240,000 year rotation of the galactic bulge.
Covid like CO2 is a comfortable LIE built upon yet another inconvenient truth.
The Baby Boomers who were born en mass 76 years ago are starting to die en mass from the usual suspects of seasonal Flu which leads to pneumonia and old age + a lot of Goebbels propaganda,.
The MASK of the BEAST to Buy or Sell is a pretext for the depopulation heavy metal vaccine + 5G FINAL SOLUTION before the Great Year Rests the planet with EMP pillars of fire, Oort cloud comet impacts and cataclysmic east to west tidal waves that wash over the continents and freeze into the continental glaciers lowering sea levels, AGAIN.
It takes 10 years to develop a vaccine. IF and only IF you can isolate the virus. Which they can't because it is the seasonal FLu which changes every season.
BLM/ALM is a Divide and Conquer tactic.
LGBTQ, Abortion, Euthanasia, china one child policy are all about depopulation before the Great Year Resets the planet with EMP pillars of Fire & Brimstone, Oort cloud comet impacts and global east to west cataclysmic tsunami's that will wash over the continents and freeze into the continental glaciers lowering sea levels again for the 1,000 years it takes to cross the galaxies magnetic equator.
Build that wall like the CARNAC stones using Sea containers. Make more ZNAMYA solar sail laser spotlight satellites. Continue building with Ezekiel Musk's VTVL rockets. Plan for the Conjunction of the planets coming in 2033.
Jesus loved all races because there is only one race the HUMAN race & only one minority the INDIVIDUAL human.
Good luck humans rise up or be led to the slaughter as sheeple. The Truth shall set you free!
Another masterclass Dr. John J. Mearsheimer and Co. are your preferred ''stay home and open your eyes'' lecturers during the pandemic
My curious mind leads me to wonder why isreal recieves the largest share of the US foreign aid when each isreali citizen has access to free medical....free education...and their economy is in the black
The reason is Christian Protestants believe Israel must exist no matter what so that Jesus will return. Preachers are responsible for driving this into most Protestants minds. These people vote for people that may not care but adopt it to get ahead in politics. It would take a very strong leader to go against this. Especially one who would be automatically attacked as antisemitic. Israeli politicians take very good advantage of this situation in the USA.
In Georgia it is the state law you can not speak against Israel. That is wrong in America since we have a right to speak about any countries actions we want even our own.
Being anti Israel isn’t being anti-Semitic
@@4968ace Well but that's the actual definition the ADL believes in
I want to quote one questioner:
"A magnificent presentation!"
The second Iraqi War cannot be divorced from the Bush family petroleum cabal and the petrodollar. Saddam Hussein had agreed to sell all the oil China wanted and not for the Petrodollar. Bush was well advised that the WMD of Iraq were in the Iran Iraq war and had been destroyed following the war. This would have generated a great loss of profits in that arrangement.
No
Very good discussion and perfect long term perspective from 51:00 !
It's pretty obvious and Mearsheimer is spot on
Thank you so much.
Those there are true scholars that contribute to Political Sciences and International Relations. It is the dutu of each one of us If we are scholars to tell the truth and only the truth. Words cannot describe their courage and they need to not be scared from anyone because they are American Patriots defending American Interests.
Yes, one's "*dutu*" should always be adhered to....
The Israeli lobby has tremendous influence but most of that influence ironically isn't because of Jews per se. It's because a large segment of Christian evangelicals think by being uber-zionists they are fulfilling Christian biblical prophecy. Without that religious support, the Israeli lobby group would still have influence but at more normalized levels. Where some Jewish Israeli nationalists groups play dirty is smearing anyone that criticizes Israeli government policies towards minorities as "anti-semitism" then applying economic and political pressure to critics (as Mearsheimer himself was attacked for stating captain obvious). This behavior is typically coming from rightwing uber-Zionists very often ones that are Orthodox. Leftwing Jews, who are typically principled on issues related to human rights (including Israel) are smeared as "self-hating Jews" by both by segment of rightwing Christians and Jews alike (although there are exceptions to this rule, see "liberals" like Alan Dershowitz)
The problem with Christian evangelical uber-Zionism is that it's heretical to Christianity.
I've watched many of John Mearsheimer's YT videos, especially those related to the critical issue of China's impact on the global future, but never have I seen him as defensive as in this entry.
I am greatly inspired by the discussion and the policy prescribed by J J Spearhimer which is realistic and will be best for the Israelis and Palestinian people and the middle East and the world.
The favorable assessment of Americans has no influence on Foreign Policy. Most Americans are ignorant of the issues or informed by biased media.
Bull. Not most. They don't listen to us regarding our own opinions and wants since big money buys power every where in the world not just here. Other countries want our support and money...lives but none is given back. We know that. There is other media not just TV.
@@1m2rich He's right. MOST US citizens are ignorant or misinformed.
"...they're in a class by themselves." So was Atilla and the Huns.
WELL SAID
Amazing!
Great and informative perspective presented! It's just disgusting that you guys have people stifling your talks by having your venues cancelled.
true and great job
The power of the Holocaust Card, et al. Time to move on as these discussions do. It might be much more honest now to make Israel the 51st state. Each time I must pass through the airport, I think of this.
No. We are a secular country not a theocracy like Israel.
Wars are not fought to spread "liberal democracy". Wars are always fought over resources (natural, human, etc.) "Democracy", "religion", and "nationalism" are only used to rally the troops before the battle. Suggesting that Western/US oil companies had no interest in regime change in Iraq is just as ludicrous as saying that overthrow of Mosaddegh in Iran in 1953 was not about oil. Denying that the US is an imperialist state interested ONLY in securing access to resources (or denying access to states that might be potential competitors) is silly. These gentlemen either cannot or do not want to tell the truth, perhaps a paycheck continuation strategy on their part.
It's easy for the CIA/Mossad to find a patsy in the US with access to an automatic rifle, one needs to step lightly over the truth.
Walt is like walking on egg-shells, scared of uttering something that might lead to him being accused of anti-Semitism! So much for expecting anything from American intelligentsia. Sigh
Americans are gun shy and afraid of being called anything. Racist, anti-Semitic, etc.
Once he is smeared as an anti-Semite and the message takes hold, no one will listen to a word he says. I think he is absolutely correct to qualify his statements as he did and distinguish himself from the those he is often accused of being among. There is nothing wrong with being careful with one's words.
@@halnogaies1256 anyone who says that Israelis are not behave better than hamas or Fatah is obviously anti-Semitic or ignorant. So are you.
Jeremy Corbyn, anyone?
@@abupinhus Blah blah blah... Terrorism never has a good excuse, but neither does colonialism. The colonialists need to remove themselves from Palestinian land.
I like this video keep going 🤠 greeting from Morocco*
The very first section, about how many times they were cancelled, and dropped from publications, is absolutely chilling. No screams of 'Cancel Culture' from the usual far-right crew.
9/11 Commission Report? - A VERY RELIABLE SOURCE, INDEED!
These two are playing the game. Truth mixed with lies.
@@davidwhite4874 Yes, I do agree entirely with your statement. Obviously they have to be bitterly criticised, or else it would smell foul.
I think it's interesting that they openly acknowledge the theological motivations of Christian Zionists, but present Jewish motivation as purely political in nature (at least in this talk)
Also, the proposed remedy at 1:02:44 (campaign finance reform, which he says won't happen; open discussion of the issues/open discourse; waiting for moderate groups in the Israel lobby to become more influential while hoping hard-line groups recognize that the current policies they support are detrimental) seems *really* insufficient.
I understand that they're being cautious, and that despite this extreme caution they're still attacked, vilified, and sidelined from mainstream intellectual discourse, but to any thinking person the extremeness of this caution should indicate that pro-Israel/Jewish lobbying groups have influence that *FAR* exceeds the political sphere, and that they have no intention to abide by ideals of "open discourse", and that they in fact have been very successful at attacking such ideals, much to the detriment of the U.S. democratic process.
John J Mearsheimer "During the 1998-1999 academic year, he was the Whitney H. Shepardson Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York." Every fucken time.....
Israel receives annually $ 3.8 billion...just like that 🤣 compared to Egypt that only gets $130 million
Di Caprio movie Blood Diamond has a diamond king in London but it is fiction. The biggest high tech business in Israel is diamond cutting. New York is a hub of the diamond business as well as financing arms trade.
Wow, Yt is on a MAJOR "delete" rampage Today. ANY POST they don't "like" gets WIPED IMMEDIATELY........SHAME ON THEM. COMMUNIST DESPOTS.
They don't want "Freedom of speech", only their OWN. TRAITORS to our country and people. I remember the Democrats protested WILDLY back in the 60s, 70s and 80s for FREE SPEECH FOR WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO SAY.
NOW, they want to SILENCE......EVERYONE, except THEMSELVES.
1:11:30 for the record, toilet paper is not that much a thing in Islamic countries, they mostly use water pressure.
The second speaker has researched more than the public media. Much of the first speaker's research leaned heavily on public media.
Awesome courage! because the truth hurts.
These highly-intellectual guys should've been running the State Department a long time ago. Just look at the mess we are at with the Russians and Chinese now.
Too many disclaimers for doing a sensible critique...The "values" thing is so vague, it doesn't hold water.
Perhaps they should do a presentation about the influence George Sorros has in the USA and include his Co-conspirators. It would be a very interesting subject.
These fearless and courageous men are true Americans, unfortunately, there are very very very few of them left, the rest are just robots.
Or traitors.
@@jacekbojanowicz3828 in the face of the world, these men are heroes, remaining true to a human nature of being fair to others: but I can imagine they would be traitors to some self-centred egomaniac me-first and only me type of person typical of most Americans.
@@truthfiction8408 I aree.I was talking about somebody else.
@@truthfiction8408 I think members of congress and senate who are on some kind of payroll from foreign power creating a lobby of this power,are traitors.
Great lecture, and very honest discussion.
A Clean Break................anyone?
I wonder what Norm Filkenstein would say , about this video ?
It takes strength to stand up against the evil and lies of powerful oppressors, we pray for Forgiveness of our Lord for all who stood against the lies, evil and oppressions of the West and Israel.
ADL monitors these comment fields, too ...
I am moved beyond words by the courage and persistence of the authors for upholding American values and shedding light on important issues.
This was super entertaining, thank you! I got a couple good laughs.
Very good
See above.
People really need to be allowed a moment to finish asking their questions. No one has been out-of-line in grabbing the floor unnecessarily. So what if not everyone can take the mic?
Time limit? Initial questions were allowed to be rather verbose, but as the time limit approached she seemed to want to let everyone in the line ask a question and some began to ramble on,
At least that's how I saw it
Everyone day comes
Israel is working to serve its brutal colonial interest in Palestine, capitalising the power and shadow of USA. The earlier the US perceives it, better it is for the humanity. A presentation, that has enriched me. Thanks
There are 22 Arab States on 50X the amount of land of Israel. It is the brutal colonial interests of those Arab countries who cannot abide a small non-Arab controlled country in the Middle East that are the source of the problem. All the Arab countries are essentially Judearein-no Jews allowed and at the same time there are 1.8 million Muslims thriving in Israel. The Arab States are colonialist and practice Apartheid. That is obvious to any observer whose brain is in gear.
Why address Jerusalem concerning the retreat of the illegal settlements in Palestine....when Tel Aviv is the capital?
If the 1967 borders were a viable option they wouldn't have changed would they?
Perhaps they are not that viable, but these guys argue the current borders are even less viable.
Campaign Finance reform real simple not easy
seize the means of production and distribution and election
all this seems good reasoning perhaps, if it weren't for the shadow fighting in the region the last few decades between ussr-usa i might agree
“Israel is not a state of all its citizens,” Said Benjamin Netanyahu
. “According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people - and only it" Does that sound like a democracy to you?
@Aleks Klev At 6:55 he gushed what a wonderful "democracy" Israel was.
Apartheid......a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race. Sound familiar?
41:47 ngl thought that was John Denver...