The UFL has a Michigan Panthers Problem

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  • Опубликовано: 13 янв 2025
  • Dwindling attendance at Ford Field in Detroit has some wondering (including me) if the Michigan Panthers will survive if the UFL returns in 2025.
    Pro Football Newsroom's James Larsen joins me to discuss the issues facing the Panthers, the attendance issues surrounding the league, and the most recent TV ratings.
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Комментарии • 175

  • @Djp_16
    @Djp_16 9 месяцев назад +24

    it's sad if they have to pull a plug 🔌 on any of the teams. This is why they need to stop trying to do these deals with these massive sized stadiums and find MLS sized stadiums like Audi Field

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +3

      I hope it doesn't come to that, but the lease with Ford Field makes no sense to me. Or the league should have found a way to configure it (or disguise it) in a way where it doesn't look totally empty. Still, the lack of fans showing up for games says a lot.

    • @FlameWingMan
      @FlameWingMan 9 месяцев назад +1

      That's kind of hard to do in regards to scheduling along with the amount of money it will costs via the owners of the stadium or like what went down with Vegas....

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      @FlameWingMan Vegas is the cautionary tale for all spring leagues now.

    • @Djp_16
      @Djp_16 9 месяцев назад +3

      Well there is an option but, it's not a Dome. They could move them to Waldo Stadium in Kalamazoo which seats 30+

    • @deathminder9206
      @deathminder9206 9 месяцев назад +3

      Exactly. You need to build a fan base which just like in the MLS will take time and in most places you will never have a fan base big enough for Ford Field.

  • @RavenStorm332
    @RavenStorm332 9 месяцев назад +5

    the major problem is that the league isn't promoting any of the teams in the cities they play in. like it wouldn't even have to be a lot of money committed to advertising just plus ads in the right markets or bank on the 80s USFL legacy of them being a championship team

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      I've heard the marketing is hit and miss in some cities. There was a nice media blitz before the season kicked off but I'm not sure that's happening now. I know the teams are trying to get earned media with weekly news conferences but I'm not sure how that's going over in each market.

    • @RavenStorm332
      @RavenStorm332 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@johnlewissports it wouldn't even have to be extensive the GMs of each team could promote the team or they could fly the home team out to the city a day or two early so they can do a media day or something to drum up hype for the upcoming game

  • @Kaseyberg
    @Kaseyberg 9 месяцев назад +4

    Ive been confused by the city choices by the XFL, USFL, and now the UFL. Obviously the cities like DC, San Antonio, and St louis should've kept their team without a doubt but Michigan and Arlington probably shouldn't. Memphis and Birmingham just need time to build a fan base up but Seattle should've kept their team and cities like Portland, San Diego and Omaha could probably have better attendance. Also i understand certain cities like Houston can get more corporate sponsors for the league.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      I think initially, they needed to pick 8 teams that had either stadium leases in place or could get one (like Houston) and with already established teams. I believe honestly this year they just needed to get the merger done and get it off the ground quickly. Hopefully it's successful enough for expansion in 2025.

  • @nicjet08
    @nicjet08 9 месяцев назад +4

    Just a good year where no team is totally terrible, and an offseason where we are stable and keep all the same teams, would go a long way for building trust in spring football. I feel like it’s the general consensus that it doesn’t work and or isn’t real football. Nobody’s willing to watch or get attached. The AAF and XFL 2020 really hurt the idea of spring footballs reputation

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +4

      Absolutely on point. People aren't trusting of spring football in some places to invest their time and/or money. When's the last time we had three straight seasons of one traditional spring football league?
      Thats why I'm hopeful and cautiously optimistic that the merger might be the first step in rebuilding trust.

  • @michaelstallings5824
    @michaelstallings5824 9 месяцев назад +6

    i think it may be to early to think about pulling the plug on a team.i think attendence is a double edge sword,everygame is on tv,some fans may prefer to stay home and watch.i think attendence has been down in college football, and i notice quite a few empty seats at some nfl games, and across other professional leagues. however i think it goes to show what iv'e been saying all along,the league would be better served to explore,new markets. certainly cities without existing nfl teams, or with few or any professional league teams,i think the eague could do a better job of marketing teams in cities..as for the panthers if attendence continues to decline,may be time to relocate, if so,why not keep them in michigan, some other city like grand rapids?i feel the same way about the houston roughnecks,,as memphis,i think its a wait and see for them, memphis has always had pretty good attendence for spring league football,as have birmingham.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +2

      Hard for me to envision the UFL looking the same in 2025. As we talked about, it's not all based on attendance but you can't put that on TV and expect casual fans to be curious.

    • @michaelstallings5824
      @michaelstallings5824 9 месяцев назад

      @@johnlewissports ohh,i agree,i think in detroit for example, most of the sports talk,is probably about the nfl draft, who the lions will take no 1, who else they may select...and if the tigers,pistons,or redwings are good,and in contention,their going to get most of the attention in spring and summer, an expansion league,is a blip,on their radar, and i just feel it's the same in all these major markets.

  • @rangersking6699
    @rangersking6699 9 месяцев назад +6

    The attendance in Memphis isn’t exactly much better

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +2

      You're not wrong. That's especially disappointing since they had 15k for their home opener last year. I really thought fan interest would be there this year.

    • @rangersking6699
      @rangersking6699 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@johnlewissports it’s almost like when the tickets aren’t available at the 99 cent bargain bin at Best Buy, “fans” suddenly don’t want to show up in usfl markets anymore except for Birmingham

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      @@rangersking6699 I knew when the $10 deals and the season ticket holders were getting four free tickets that sales were lagging

    • @rangersking6699
      @rangersking6699 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@kpowers Memphis did not even play at Home in week one, they played at Houston. Houston will crater though because they’re no good

  • @michaelwalker7400
    @michaelwalker7400 9 месяцев назад +4

    The ticket issues have been the start of Michigan's problems. Having to play when the Tigers and Red Wings are also playing either at the same time, or same day doesn't help when all of them are right next to each other.
    With Fiesta starting this week in San Antonio and a carnival taking place right next to the stadium, hopefully that gives a bump to the numbers on Saturday even though the regular parking lot is being used for it. There will still be tailgating, just not in Lot C.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      Always has been the trouble with spring football in cities that have baseball and/or NHL. A lot of people bring up St Louis, but that's the outlier. I don't know if there's a better venue for the Panthers in Detroit, but that's a rough look.

  • @davidg1612
    @davidg1612 8 месяцев назад +1

    I don't see any promo in our area for them. At all. I see very little advertisements for the league in general. They need a promo blitz for the entire league because outside of St. Louis, no one seems to be aware of it.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      This seems to be a common complaint and that's a real problem. Die hards know all about it, but to get others, you have to let people know it's happening. Saw a lot of promos out and about in St Louis this weekend.

  • @JamesENichols
    @JamesENichols 9 месяцев назад +3

    I think the UFL should stick to the same 8 teams for 2025. Just come back and do it again.
    These leagues keep folding teams after 1 season, and fans are skeptical that the UFL will stick around.
    Just come back with the same 8 teams. Market them aggressively in their home markets and see what attendance looks like next season.
    In the end, I think 12-14 teams is the sweet spot. I don't think there is enough interest, money, or talent to field 16 teams.
    Great discussion!

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +3

      I'd rather have 8 teams for 2 years than a failed league that faltered because of too much expansion too quickly. Agreed!
      Thanks for watching and commenting!

    • @RagedContinuum
      @RagedContinuum 8 месяцев назад

      I think they should form a couple 'shop around' teams that have no city headquarters and play in various cities to gauge fan support and venue affordability. They can use old team names like the sea dragons and vipers

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      @@RagedContinuum not a bad idea. There's been mixed speculation about Canton and maybe that was a trial balloon that popped.

  • @creepofreek4853
    @creepofreek4853 9 месяцев назад +2

    John I think this will be the last season of UFL. It takes 30 years for a league to take off and a pro football league on a 100 yard field is just to expensive to maintain for that long. It’s a shame ..

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +3

      I hope that's not the case but you make some good points. With three financial backing of Disney and Fox, hopefully the expenses are minimal considering their overall budgets.
      But yeah, if this doesn't work, I can't imagine we see a spring football league on a scale like this in a long time.

    • @creepofreek4853
      @creepofreek4853 9 месяцев назад

      I think the networks can make a deal with some college divisions to play meaningful games in the spring. The infrastructure is already in place with a fan base .

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      @@creepofreek4853 the game is changing. I could totally see a conference taking the money to move to spring

  • @DeafArch
    @DeafArch 8 месяцев назад +2

    The rise of Lions may have contributed to the lack of interest in Panthers?

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад +1

      That's a good possibility when you consider the DC Defenders no doubt benefitted from the terrible stink of Washington's NFL team

  • @gregorypollard5908
    @gregorypollard5908 9 месяцев назад +5

    I still maintain that the league made a big mistake by cutting out the 8 teams this season. They could have stayed 8 vs 8, kept the USFL and XFL Conferences separate and played each other in the Championship Game.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      I think it was about economics to get it merged and launched (again). A 16 team league might have been good for fans, but I'm not sure it was feasible with a merger that was assembled so quickly.

    • @Mike-aka747
      @Mike-aka747 9 месяцев назад +2

      Should’ve kept At least 12 teams.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +3

      @@Mike-aka747 I thought they might keep 10 but honestly, I'd rather have 8 and have multiple years of the UFL rather than a gamble and it folds after a year. This might be spring football's last chance at this scale for awhile.

    • @Mike-aka747
      @Mike-aka747 9 месяцев назад

      @@johnlewissports I get the logic of it. And they probably got it right. But to look major league need more teams. I hope they expand to 12 next year. 🤞🏼

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      @@Mike-aka747 speak it into existence!

  • @dankrist5395
    @dankrist5395 9 месяцев назад +4

    I have no idea why the ufl would focus on Detroit. Like, it’s Detroit. 😂

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +2

      There's history there and it's a top 15 TV market. I haven't seen the market by market TV ratings yet, but strangely, games involving Detroit have been getting good viewership...just not in person.

    • @cityhawk
      @cityhawk 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@johnlewissportsWouldn’t keeping an XFL team like Seattle have been a better, more prudent choice than keeping Michigan from the USFL?

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      @@cityhawk I don't know how the finances of the Ford Field deal compares with Lumen Field. As James said, the lease with Ford Field is pricy but no specifics were released. I think the UFL might have believed a buyer would be easier to find in Michigan than in Seattle. All speculation on my part.

  • @anthonyboyd1071
    @anthonyboyd1071 9 месяцев назад +2

    always thought Seattle Dragons would have been a better choice

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      I think after the Vegas debacle, Seattle was on an island. Hopefully the league is successful and we can see some west coast teams

  • @michaelmcdermott2417
    @michaelmcdermott2417 9 месяцев назад +6

    A bit disappointing... They are the Michigan Panthers not the Detroit Panthers so maybe moving them somewhere else in the state would be an idea. Grand Rapids maybe? Ford Field & a couple of the others are just too big, granted St Louis is the exception, maybe shoot for stadiums with capacities from 25-40 thousand (if that's sustainable?)

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +4

      Not a bad idea at all. The soccer stadium there in Detroit might be too small but there has to be a better venue than Ford Field.

  • @floridapmi
    @floridapmi 9 месяцев назад +2

    Those are average high school attendances in the state of Texas.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      Not wrong. Some of those games outdraw a lot of pro sports!

  • @thechristianmale129
    @thechristianmale129 8 месяцев назад +1

    There's more of a Birmingham problem than a Michigan problem.
    Birmingham with an overall 21-3 record can't draw a St. Louis type crowd. That's the problem.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      I think Birmingham's attendance is disappointing so far and is A problem. I don't think when it comes to attendance it's THE problem. Dropping below 7k in Detroit is a huge red flag.

    • @thechristianmale129
      @thechristianmale129 8 месяцев назад

      @@johnlewissports agreed but what I think is really disappointing is that the mayor promised the team a championship parade 2 years in a row and they never happen

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад +1

      @@thechristianmale129 I thought the reason for no parade in 2022 was because everyone had left. I know they had one last year but yeah, any team that wins a championship should get a parade on whatever level.

  • @talkingthetalk3640
    @talkingthetalk3640 8 месяцев назад

    Great video. I think local advertising would help. I never saw a local tv spot for the Brahmas. I'm guessing that's the same for the other cities as well. Plus it would be nice if at the very least the league build a relationship with the local ABC and Fox tv affiliate. Right now the local channels in S.A are hit and miss with local coverage.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you! I appreciate that. It feels like St Louis has a good relationship with the local affiliates, but I think that's a 2 way street. Stations realize there's fan interest, so they welcome the coverage and vice versa. If the perception from the stations is that there's not much fan interest, it's easier to do nothing rather than make the effort to cover them. Your point about building a relationship is accurate: sometimes you have to have an advocate who is a decision maker in a TV station to get coverage.

  • @allaroundRu
    @allaroundRu 9 месяцев назад +5

    I’m from California n I watch every game n I’ll be watching every games this weekend 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +3

      Kentucky here and I'll be doing the same!

    • @ryanr9299
      @ryanr9299 9 месяцев назад +2

      I'm from Illinois and I'll be watching every game this weekend too.. especially since I got a car accident LOL and bed Nidden at the moment LOL

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +3

      @@ryanr9299 get better soon!

  • @larryloveless2967
    @larryloveless2967 8 месяцев назад +1

    St. Louis supports the Battlehawks as well as it does the Cardinals, Blues, and its new soccer team. It has been great seeing the Dome loud again like back in the days of Kurt Warner and company. The STL Rams went from the Greatest Show on Turf to the worst team in the NFL for years and attendance did drop off. A good team helps attendance no matter the sport. That being said, STL was ready to build yet another new stadium for the Rams and the Stan Kroenke move to L.A. for its very large TV market was really upsetting expecially after learning of his indemniifcation agreement to compensate NFL owners in the event of any STL lawsuits to swing their relocation votes from STL to L.A. St. Louis should have been awarded an expansion team as I belleive a new owner would have been found. In St. Louis, KA KAW in the Law. Win or lose, the Battlehawks are an exciting team like those Rams teams of Kurt Warner.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад +2

      No doubt they support the Battlehawks. I was at the game Saturday (might be a video coming soon 😉) and it was rocking with 31,000 people. Impressive enough but considering there were 41,000 fans at the Cardinals game at the same time, that makes it even more impressive.

    • @larryloveless2967
      @larryloveless2967 8 месяцев назад

      @@johnlewissports I also thought the Battlehawks attrendance may have dropped some with the Cards game at the same time like you mention. Having a competitive team does help attendance. Not sure how big would be the attendance if they were now 0-4 losing every game like 30-7 as some of those STL Rams teams. I know Michigan is a hotbed for football but maybe their big college football teams and following the Lions is enough football for them. Then again it is minor league football so like a minor league baseball team, but I do like how most games are close and pretty well played by all the teams.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      It's a good league with really good play for the most part. But I do think the UFL is going to have to rethink some things moving forward into 2025

  • @loreejohnson6696
    @loreejohnson6696 8 месяцев назад

    I will say the UFL definitely has the chance to have the cutest season so far with all these cuties on rosters. Really digging the talk boys and always shout out my boy James!

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      I'm going to go with your assessment on that 🤣
      Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @lloydmarshalljr1951
    @lloydmarshalljr1951 8 месяцев назад +1

    Next year: move the Panthers to Canton, or Cleveland, or Cincinnati, or Columbus.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад +1

      I'm a fan of putting a team in Canton but it really needs some major promotion. Columbus would be another great site. Agreed.

  • @norlinblack5017
    @norlinblack5017 8 месяцев назад

    Birmingham had lower attendance against DC. It could’ve been the weather being cool and rainy or most likely it was Talladega weekend which is BIG in the state of Alabama.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      Severe weather was forecast (and did happen resulting in a long delay) so there's no doubt those factors kept attendance down.

  • @Mike-aka747
    @Mike-aka747 9 месяцев назад +1

    No. Give it another year. Promote better. Then see where it goes from there. There’s other problems in Memphis and Arlington too. Houston has only played 1 game there so far. Let’s see if the Texas Showdown drums
    Up a decent crowd. That’s almost half the league though. They the UFL needs to work on promoting better in their home cities.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +2

      As we talked about in the video, I think this was a "let's hurry up and get this going" this year. Hopefully lessons are learned this year and applied next year.

  • @PythonKnight
    @PythonKnight 8 месяцев назад

    I guess I can't judge based on the rest of the league in the UFL, but they are playing in an NFL graded stadium that's a lot of seats to try and fill with a league still try to grow itself

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      As James and I talked about, that venue seems to make little sense, especially at the rate that the Panthers are drawing fans. The team is pretty good so here's to hoping there's a better turnout in the second half of the season.

  • @abrahamperez3050
    @abrahamperez3050 8 месяцев назад

    To the person who messes before me, You absolutely right they should play on MLS stadiums I be telling my people too about it that’s the best bet because we need UFL and the NFL news it too

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      Gotta find some venue other than Ford Field. That's not working. MLS working pretty nicely for DC!

  • @stevenguzman2282
    @stevenguzman2282 8 месяцев назад

    Agreed the league is not promoting any of the teams in the respective cities. Take for example the St. Louis Battlehawks began going out into the community like local high school football games and so on. The teams have to do their part during the offseason (and yes it's understandable the merger was hanging in the balance). Two factors: 1) the teams need to practice at their home cities, this way you don't get a scarce connection to the community, and 2) March 31st is too long of a wait to start a spring football season, the momentum from the Super Bowl is practically gone and the urgency to have more football in mid-February would be more appropriate. Realistically you are having to compete with College Basketball post-season and currently with NHL and NBA Playoffs, there's no escape we all have to compete for viewership.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      Agreed on all points. My gut tells me there will be some important changes for the 2025 season, including a stronger marketing effort in the communities and hopefully an earlier kickoff date.
      Daryl Johnston was pretty open about getting this merger completed quickly and just trying to get the season going. Hopefully there's a lot being learned and we see some big improvements next season.

  • @theprolificnetwork4670
    @theprolificnetwork4670 8 месяцев назад

    Fans aren't stupid they're not going to invest until they see that the team is stable. Even though the attendance is low it doesn't look as bad on TV as Memphis

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      Memphis might be my biggest disappointment of the year. I was really hoping the team would be good and fans would invest.

  • @theprolificnetwork4670
    @theprolificnetwork4670 8 месяцев назад

    Attendance is low because fans want to see if the league is going to stick around that's the problem in San Antonio

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      Yep too many fans have been burnt for sure. I will say it seems that the venue is totally wrong for the Panthers right now

  • @pep2st8p64
    @pep2st8p64 8 месяцев назад

    What about Memphis?

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      If things keep progressing, might be a conversation worth having!

  • @ryanr9299
    @ryanr9299 9 месяцев назад

    I wonder if Michigan and Arlington will have to Relocate? Also, I would love to see Omaha Nebraska get a team they used to have a team in the old UFL and had a turnout of 24,000 fans at a game that I saw on youtube. the market there would be probably really good As well and also I like seeing states that don't have a pro football team get a team.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      I think the UFL is too invested in Arlington, but the Michigan issue has to be resolved. I remember the Nighthawks! The old UFL was a lot of fun.

    • @car83_
      @car83_ 9 месяцев назад +1

      Move Arlington to Orlando!

    • @ryanr9299
      @ryanr9299 9 месяцев назад

      @@car83_ Or to OKC.. The travel still wouldn't be that bad then to Texas

    • @ryanr9299
      @ryanr9299 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@car83_ or to Albuquerque Love to see the state of New Mexico Get a football team

  • @Dark0Shadow79
    @Dark0Shadow79 9 месяцев назад +1

    Move them to Portland.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      If there's an expansion/move, you'd have to think the UFL would start to look westward!

  • @creepofreek4853
    @creepofreek4853 9 месяцев назад +1

    Arena football can fill the void if the UFL goes under . The IFL has some pretty solid Franchises, Arizona, Jacksonville, Tulsa to name a few . All they need is a National TV deal .

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      Maybe but I think it's such a different type of sport, the casual fans might not be into it. I enjoyed the old AFL (and af2) but I don't know if that's sustainable long term. I heard a podcast with a GM of several lower level teams and he said the biggest "sucker bet" is indoor football. He says no one has ever made money on it.

    • @creepofreek4853
      @creepofreek4853 8 месяцев назад

      I dint know John. I discovered the IFL on RUclips last year and I was immediately hooked . Gambling on the games is addictive. In fact after gambling on Arena football, I was bored betting on UFL games. They were to low scoring - which is why I don’t bet on Soccer. I think a different game might be what fans want now. Look at the success of Pickleball. Which is a miniature version of Tennis.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      @creepofreek4853 maybe it could work. Problem is I just don't know if indoor football can catch the appeal of casual fans like it did back in the day, and even then it was still kinda niche until NBC got involved

  • @sansbazinga9821
    @sansbazinga9821 8 месяцев назад

    UFL shouldn't be trying to establish itself in NFL markets. especially in Michigan where they not only have an NFL team but TWO massive college football programs. Also the north doesn't have as intense of a football culture as the south does. They should target markets like Columbus, OH. Passionate football fans, big city, no NFL team. Same goes for places like Salt Lake City, San Diego, and Portland, OR. Hopefully they don't have to abandon the franchise but the optics are not looking good.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      The outlier on that is DC, but they benefit from decades of terrible management from their NFL team. All the cities you named seem like really good fits for what I think the UFL can become if it's successful enough to continue and expand. And yes, something has to change with Detroit: either move them or change venues.

  • @deathminder9206
    @deathminder9206 9 месяцев назад

    Why are these dudes even playing at ford field? they should be playing a small college or big high school stadium.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      As an outsider, I would guess they wanted the team to have some legitimacy and not run into a Vegas situation, but this isn't working.

  • @waltsoph3
    @waltsoph3 9 месяцев назад

    I'm not too worried with the "low attendances" in some of the games from Week 3.
    After all the worse a team is doing record wise the more difficult it becomes for a home stadium to get "fans in the seats" to support them.
    As for the Michigan situation if they start getting on a winning streak before there next home game it wouldn't surprise me
    if more fans start attending. They had a real good turn out for the USFL games last season. 😀
    Thanks again for your time.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      Sadly the turnout this year is better than last year, according to Mike Mitchell, so let's hope for the best when they return!

    • @waltsoph3
      @waltsoph3 9 месяцев назад

      @@johnlewissports Thanks for the reply.
      That's awesome news to hear on this.
      I know the Week 3 Stallions game was really packed compared to last year when USFL games were only in hubs.
      I'll take this encouragement in attendance over hub games any day of the week. 😀

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      @@waltsoph3 thanks for watching and commenting! I've seen a lot of spring leagues come and go, so we all have to look for positives where we can find them but we also have to point out the issues too!

    • @waltsoph3
      @waltsoph3 9 месяцев назад

      @@johnlewissports Of course. Here's hoping for the best this season. 😃

  • @gboni66
    @gboni66 9 месяцев назад

    Three home games in a row will do that. Let’s keep building

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      I'm not seeing the drawback from three home games in a row. Seems like a lot of opportunity to build but somehow it's declining...and the team is pretty good!

    • @gboni66
      @gboni66 9 месяцев назад

      @@johnlewissports i thought of it this way: three consecutive home games for a team that started selling tickets later than any other team will take a hit attendance wise vs. the same team that has three home games offered every other week. The fans just didn’t have any time to make accommodations.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      @@gboni66 that makes sense. Shaky start all around.

  • @darrenbarnhart6526
    @darrenbarnhart6526 9 месяцев назад

    Put them all in small states or small fairly descent town like sc gets a team could put one in app state stadium one in Myrtle beach start them all in-between g4 and g5 college stadium and add one to Dakota or north dakota

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      I don't know if that would help the "brand" of a league trying to compete for national eyeballs. I think that might hinder the new Arena Football League.

  • @steventomasi5557
    @steventomasi5557 9 месяцев назад

    They should have kept either New Orleans, New Jersey or Philadelphia over Michigan

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      I believe a large portion of the decision making was what venue these teams would play in. I don't know if there was a suitable stadium (or there was no agreement to be made) in some cities. The Ford Field deal, for better or worse, was already in place.

  • @markgross8712
    @markgross8712 3 месяца назад

    I think it's just Daryl Johnston. He's the one who has a problem with the UFL period.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  3 месяца назад

      How so?

    • @markgross8712
      @markgross8712 3 месяца назад

      @@johnlewissports He's had some kind of issues with spring football that I've heard about. It's like he doesn't want spring football to happen.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  3 месяца назад +1

      I can’t see how that would be the case given he was a GM in the AAF and front office in the USFL and now the UFL.

    • @markgross8712
      @markgross8712 3 месяца назад

      @@johnlewissports Oh..... Alright, understood. I agree with you.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  3 месяца назад +1

      @markgross8712 not saying anyone is right or wrong and there are a lot of people who have had their issues with him.

  • @justinwayne61
    @justinwayne61 8 месяцев назад

    it doesnt help that the tiger game is going on around the same time. more people know about the tiger over the panther.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      It's true but the Tigers were on the road the first UFL weekend, drew only 15k the Sunday of the Panthers second game and 17k the next home game that the Panthers were also playing. Something isn't connecting.

    • @justinwayne61
      @justinwayne61 8 месяцев назад

      @johnlewissports honestly I think it's because the team need to come to Lansing where it's an 1 hour and 30 min from either side of michigan. I live on the west side of the state and I would buy season tickets but it's 3 hours of driving for me. I think that the real reason. That and they need to Advertise their tickets prices so people know how much they are.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      @@justinwayne61 I hear a lot from people in different UFL cities that there's little to no marketing. The UFL had some community town halls before the season but doesn't sound like much is happening now and to your point, the general public doesn't even know it's happening or how much tickets are.

  • @BigEd773
    @BigEd773 8 месяцев назад

    They should have snagged Jim Harbaugh for coach.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад +1

      Think that might have soaked the budget for the league's next decade

  • @PoleTooke
    @PoleTooke 8 месяцев назад

    Aaaand Case Cookus and Ej Perry both got hurt since this video

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад +2

      To no one's surprise. I hate it for both of them and for the league.

  • @TheChallenger1000
    @TheChallenger1000 8 месяцев назад

    The Panthers just need to win and things will improve. But it doesn't help that the Lions are really good now, because the Detroit fans aren't thirsty for an alternative anymore.
    The Stallions just need to be moved. The fan base there just sux. I said before they ever played a game that the attendance would be bad there because it's never been good there for spring football. The team has had too much success for attendance to be this trash for 3 seasons.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      I don't know how optimistic I am about the Panthers chances now with Perry out, but even before that, I couldn't grasp why the attendance kept falling.
      As far as Birmingham goes, I wonder as the season progresses if the attendance will increase or tank. 12k for the first home game was a bit disappointing.

  • @ilznidiotic
    @ilznidiotic 9 месяцев назад

    Lesson: Do not name your pro football team "The Panthers". It only leads to misery

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      🤣🤣🤣it's not gone well in recent history.

  • @sweeabn6736
    @sweeabn6736 9 месяцев назад

    People in New Orleans support football

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      I've been reading about some projects on the table there for new or refurbished stadiums. Would love to see the Breakers return!

  • @LeonGreene-kc6qx
    @LeonGreene-kc6qx 9 месяцев назад

    I want the Lamar Jackson to win a Super Bowl NBP award. That's fine, but it is. I really like to see him win a both. But the main thing I want to see the Michael. Jackson do is too when it's coming to taking the game. In his hand he should run the ball. When the wide receivers got the different spread it out and the middle is open. I won't his a** or run through that line do what he was doing during the regular season. That's why I want to see on my Jeep. Do I want to see the real of my Jessica? That really made me make a decision to be a Baltimore Ravens. Fan cause he's the only. Reason why I became a bot more ravens fan. I wantna see that Lamar Jackson the first time I saw him. Take the game in his hands. If The Wire receives is not open and he can't talk about either give it a Henry. You know, and you know he needs run it. Don't be afraid to run it. I know they're trying to protect you. But listen, you got the bag, man. You got the bag and so it's all on you now. It's easy for them to give you the bag, but see if you if you don't play do your job? If you don't take games in your hand do it on your own then they could be looking at you. While we paid you and you aint doing this and you know how the white folks are they pay you? And if you aint doing what they want you to do. They want to blame it on you too. So you need to take the game in your hands and with stuff like this. Come over like when you play the Kansas City chief the home. Don't let the The middle of the field be open and you don't run. No, sir. You got the run, that football brother. That was no excuses. I love you. And I want your favorite fans. But when the when the field is open and the wide receivers has spreaded, the defense out. You run that ball cause it's a debt wide open. You can at least get 2025 yd down the field. Take it out, take the game in your hands like Lebron James them do it man? Do it no excuses and I still don't have no excuses. I'm still there giving zayflowers. No excuses for job in the football.I don't care if he's a rookie.I'll still say his a** has no business dropping.At football and that's the name of that tune.It's no forgiveness.And it's no excuses for a record of me.Because in college they teach you how to hold the ball with 2 hands and he shouldn't know you get that money.And you play your ass off and you protect the football

  • @AZGWA
    @AZGWA 9 месяцев назад

    Move them to Canton and rename them the Bulldogs.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      That thought has crossed my mind a few times. Canton is such a great setup and venue. Loved it up there when I visited for games last spring.

  • @drumboy940
    @drumboy940 8 месяцев назад

    Moving to a smaller venue somewhere else in Michigan?

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад +1

      Possibly but the question is where? A lot of people suggest Grand Rapids.

  • @mikepalko8446
    @mikepalko8446 9 месяцев назад

    Grand. Valley. State. DOES. NOT. HAVE. The. Stadium. Infrastructure!!

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      What's the latest on the Grand Action 2.0 project? From the drawings, looked like a good venue for soccer and football!

  • @CCOS1214
    @CCOS1214 9 месяцев назад +1

    Move em 2 grand rapids they will draw

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      And they can keep the name!

    • @CCOS1214
      @CCOS1214 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@johnlewissports my only question is where would they play

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      @@CCOS1214 Grand Rapids has talked about building an 8500 seat soccer stadium in the past. Seems like that might work out.

    • @CCOS1214
      @CCOS1214 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@johnlewissports I think the ufl would benefit from playing in smaller soccer style stadiums.. sell them out, raise prices..would look better on television as well

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +2

      @@CCOS1214 it's certainly working for DC. You have to think that if the league returns in 2025, that'll be on the table

  • @davidmccloud2119
    @davidmccloud2119 9 месяцев назад

    Would it make sense for the Panthers to play in Lansing in the future? My thought is you would still be fairly close to Detroit, you would be much closer to Grand Rapids and you could sell cheap tickets to Michigan State students who are right there in Lansing.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      I think that's a good idea. I don't want see the Panthers leave Michigan, but it's hard to see a long term future in Detroit.

  • @metalcrip89
    @metalcrip89 9 месяцев назад

    I'm not surprised about low attendance especially taking so long to make the tickets available . i'd be happy with 10k at each game in the league in my opinion.

    • @metalcrip89
      @metalcrip89 9 месяцев назад

      Outside of dc and st. louis obviously lol

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      10k at games would be a better look for sure!

  • @car83_
    @car83_ 9 месяцев назад +1

    Panthers games have the second highest TV viewership, just slightly behind the Battlehawks.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +2

      Which is strange but I think they're benefitting from the network and time. A midseason XFL game with Orlando got more than a million viewers because it was on ABC on a Saturday. For casual fans, the teams don't matter. The easy access does.

    • @car83_
      @car83_ 9 месяцев назад

      I remember that game. It edged over a million because it fortunately ran fairly long into the window for the 3 million+ viewer women’s college basketball tournament game that followed it. I think that game outdrew the entire prior week of XFL games combined!

  • @Mike-aka747
    @Mike-aka747 9 месяцев назад

    Ratings still good. Take into effect the Dc Arlington game was competing vs the OSU spring game. Which drew a 660k rating. It bit into that UFL no doubt. This week will be tougher. FS1 game. Hope the other 3 games can average around 700k. 800k would be a major victory. Guess we’ll see….

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад +1

      That's what we are hoping to see. That FS1 game might be the lowest rated of the year

    • @Mike-aka747
      @Mike-aka747 9 месяцев назад

      @@johnlewissports easily it will. Unless they pull a surprise like they did last year when the Maulers Stallions did 540k 🤞🏼 Texas Showdown too. Hope it pulls some weight in big Tejas. 😃

  • @freeclimb5487
    @freeclimb5487 9 месяцев назад

    Move them to GR

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      Seems to be a popular suggestion!

    • @mikepalko8446
      @mikepalko8446 9 месяцев назад

      GVSU doesn't have the stadium infrastructure!!!

  • @Vertshark
    @Vertshark 9 месяцев назад

    Promote it better and play in a smaller stadium. Look at DC playing at Audi field. Place looks packed. Find another stadium in the 20-40K range

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  9 месяцев назад

      Or do some major camouflage if they return to Ford Field next year. Maybe if this team continues to be good, fans will show up but to your point, sounds like local marketing is an issue.

  • @joeldrewwaldengrounds6931
    @joeldrewwaldengrounds6931 4 месяца назад

    WHAA?

  • @justinfendelet8675
    @justinfendelet8675 8 месяцев назад

    WFL USFL WLAF XFL UFL ARENA ....Alll dead cept 1 other LEAGUE CFL

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад

      The UFL isn't dead yet. Don't bury them too early.

  • @Evereghalo
    @Evereghalo 8 месяцев назад

    Fake news. Its one season.

    • @johnlewissports
      @johnlewissports  8 месяцев назад +1

      Yet the Panthers have played for three straight years 🤔