Using Drakesford's logic he should ban travelling of altogether! The next step will be to keep everyone locked in their homes...... Ahhh I see where this is going!!! What an absolute crock!
You can find 3 people that like this idea but in democracy you should be tending to the majority. And majority are not happy. You can tell these guys don't travel much. 40 Seconds to travel a village is a lot when you travel through hundreds. It adds up. Driving 5mph will save even more lives, having no cars will save even more! Why stop at 20? There's a fine line between reasonable and ridiculous, and this has crossed it.
It's strange how all these politicians around the world are coming out with the same policies at the same time. It's almost as though they were being controlled!!!!!
During the 70s oil crisis to ration fuel the Dutch had no car days. Everyone realised that they could still get where they wanted, fewer people died and streets were much nicer places to be. Lockdown has had a similar effect but globally, so you're correct that there's a link, it's just not a tin foil hat conspiracy.
Maybe there are some common factors involved - like they all have to deal with the climate emergency, and they all have increasing health costs from obesity, and they all have poor air quality, and they all have persistently high road deaths. All of these things are improved by similar policies around the world to reduce car-dependency, make roads safer and give people choices that allow healthier lifestyles. It's hardly unlikely that these common factor would produce common responses, is it?
@@xxwookey healthier lifestyles are already offered if people want, it's the demanding them that is the issue. When there's a storm, should 80 yr old gran go out on her bike to get groceries? If a storm knocks out power how will emergency vehicles respond if they can't charge their battery? How will people in hospital have power for life support or emerg. surgeries? I'm all for going green, as long as there's a contingency plan to stop chaos from happening
@@user-ro6eb7xl6j What people are asking for ('demanding' in your words) is the _choice_ to walk and especially cycle. People don't have a choice to cycle when the only route is a 40mph road - that's why reduced speeds and more carriageway space is transformative - it's offers pople genuine choices. Yes a smart gran would wait till the storm passes before cycling to the shops. It's not complicated. But granies can and do cycle about so long as they feel safe to do so. Just go to the Netherlands - it's full of old ladies on bikes going about their business - and they look very good for it. And why are you now talking about power cuts on a video about cycling, safer streets and speed limits? There are other video for that discussion.
Asking a cyclist and kindergarten teacher about whether the horrid killer cars should slow down is a priceless piece of impartial journalism. The second question should have been 'should puppies and kittens be thrown into a mincer for fun'! I didn't notice many motorists being asked their opinion! Perhaps that would have messed up their survey!
But those are real people who live there - their opinions are valid. I drive a car and I still think 20mph limits are sensible. Bit annoying sometimes when driving, but I also walk and ride a bike and I know how much less scary it is when traffic speeds are reduced. It's just a nicer environment. Cars _are_ noisy and dangerous when you are outside them so fewer of them, going more slowly, anywhere where people and bikes are, is a good thing.
the trouble with 20mph is the emissions are 50% higher, so while there's a possibility that a life could be saved by the lowered speed, it's guaranteed that more will die from the massive hike in emissions.
@@weplayvrgames that still doesn't stop them blindly making stupid comments just to tow the party line. So sad to see stupidity rearing it's ugly head.
20mph in Wales will have a huge impact on tourism...guess what struggling hotels will be offered by the Welsh Government for all those empty beds...classic cause the problem,manage the reaction,offer the solution ...we see you Drakeford.
No. The lower speed limit will attract different types of tourists, families, cyclists, people who like walking around exploring new areas. All businesses have to do is market themselves this way. Wales is beautiful and could be a destination country specifically for low traffic holidays. If things go well, the rest of the world would implement a lower speed limit in residential areas, and wales would be famous forever for being one of the very first implementing it countrywide.
@@somu117 didn't work in North Wales,simply a cash generator for overspent Councils and tourists couldn't risk losing their licences for minor infractions of the speed limit or receiving hearty fines on top of the day out they'd saved up for...one day out from Birmingham for example could result in not only a fine but a speed awareness course that requires more costs in fuel and time off work.
@@markriding1267 the whole idea is that they didn't need to bring their car. I don't know what/how it didn't work in north wales, but it wasn't long so likely that any positive/negative impact can't be feeling yet, only the frustration. All new things take time to get used to.
@@somu117 I lived in Corwen for over ten years,public transport is virtually nonexistent, there are few overpriced rail links to the popular tourist spots,in Ruthin a Medieval market town the only parking is at the bottom of a steep hill so the traditional elderly coach parties are denied access to the sights...etc.etc. Why stop at 20mph why not 10mph or better still 15minute cities 🤫🙄 Cars and freedom of movement is not for the Poor it seems....
@@markriding1267 cars make a huge dent in poor people's incomes, a car can easily cost more than the gas&electrics combined. It's ridiculous how much people have to pay just to be able to go to work. If people stopped driving for just a week and demanded public transport, you could see how fast the government would sort it. They don't do it because they profit too much from car taxes and from kerping people slaves to their cars. Btw I don't have a car and I don't feel trapped. A lot of people already live in 15 minute cities without realizing; if you can see your gp, shop, drop your kids off to school within 15 minutes from your home, you're living in one.
Funny....we got along for millenia without cars. It's only on the last 50 years that the concept of a car in every household has got hold. Personally I'd rather see government investing in branch lines and good bus services.
2 local authorities discovered their 20 limits increased casualties because pedestrians became complacent and drivers were less careful. 85% of pedestrian injuries are their own fault. 20mph = lower gear = longer journey time = more pollution. This isn't about safety, it's about control and the ultimate aim of the elimination of all personal mobility.
And hundreds of local authorities discovered that it _reduced_ casualties. The evidence is decades old and it's indisputable at this point that it _is_ safer. Read the report: "ROSPA 20mph factsheet" if you don't believe me. And how do you reckon that "85% of pedestrian injuries are their own fault"? Almost all pedestrian deaths and injuries are caused by cars, vans, HGVS and buses. The danger comes almost exclusively from motor vehicles (99%, plus 1% cycles). Read the PACTS report "What kills most on the roads?" The motor vehicles are what generates the risk and that's why slowing them down and reducing their number results in reduced pedestrians injuries and deaths. It really _is_ about safety (and a nicer and healthier environement as a bonus).
Pedestrians can now bounce off the bonnet and won't hurt themselves, as a lot of them do seem to have a death wish and still can't see a car coming at 20mph.
Im refusing to follow it now because when I do everyone just overtakes or beeps they horn , the worst is when they try to say it's working because people are driving slower......they just don't want points on they licence if it was just a suggested speed with no risk of enforcement no one would have changed It's basically false proof of they point through extortion
I wonder if on some bus routes the extra time needed to travel a route will mean a reduction in frequency meaning those who depend on them may find they are no longer a viable option to get to work or to a hospital. Seems unlikely that bus operators will employ more drivers or buy additional buses as this means more costs much easier to simply run fewer routes or reduce the frequency. It might also impact on delivery vehicles as drivers hours may be impacted and the cost of delivering to more rural retailers and supermarkets could mean increased costs and therefore increased prices to customers.
Why weren't motorists asked? This is biased so called journalism ...I am a motorist and it should only be 20 miles an hour near schools, care homes and hospitals.. there is more revving of engines so more pollution! PATHETIC! DRAKEFORD SHOULD RESIGN ..past his sell by date
It usually works out the opposite way, the less convenient driving becomes, the more people use public transport, especially where buses have a separate lane. Driving in your car at 20mph vs riding a bus, the bus is comfier, you can watch yt videos while the driver does all the work, it's less stressful for you and you'll still make it in the same amount of time.
Make sure i never go to Wales ever again . 20 mph is just RIDICULOUS, its ok near schools , Hospitals, care homes etc, but not a blanket 20 mph across the entire country, just Ridiculous. Dripford should be fired, this is what you get if you vote Labour, Liberal Democrats or the stupid green party
@@grantross9011 getting hit by something that only weighs as much as you do is way less likely to kill you than something that weighs 30x more than you.
From the Gov.Wales Site in Regards to the new 20 mph limits. Why are bicycles allowed to overtake me when I am driving at 20mph? Speed limits in the Road Traffic Regulations and the Highway Code apply to motor vehicles only and not to bicycles. The Highway Code has been updated to include 3 new rules about the new ‘hierarchy of road users’. The hierarchy places those road users most at risk in the event of a collision at the top of the hierarchy. It does not remove the need for everyone to behave responsibly. It’s important that all road users: are aware of The Highway Code are considerate to other road users understand their responsibility for the safety of others.
Quick question.......... if they are changing the law and making the speed limits 20mph???? Do Ambulances, Fire Engines and Police have to abide by the same rules???? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh sorry your house burned down, Sorry your mother died, sorry your house was being broken in too.......... we came as fast as we could 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What they should actually do is get all the oldies who still have a license off the road. They lack the cognitive ability to drive safely and are quite frankly are way more dangerous than someone driving at 30 in a residential area.
The pure insanity of this polluting law means the a cars engine will now be running for 5 HOURS per 100 miles instead of 3 HOURS per 100 miles UTTER MADNESS. The safety problem is not a driver doing 29 mph in a 20 mph limit it is a driver doing 60 in a 30 mph limit. It will not save lives and I will not be driving in Wales ever again !
Can we just state that cyclists are not restricted by the speed limit in law, and 20mph doesn't stop people speeding, the kind of people who cause the accidents in the first place...
Not many cyclists can nor dare go faster than 16mph, and the ones who do, don't cause pollution (fumes, noise), are a minimal risk to others (compared to a car) and their brake distance is by far shorter than a car's, besides cyclists pay a lot more attention to their surrounding as crashing specially when going over 20mph means several broken bones. Crashing in a car at 30mph is a little dent and maybe some whiplash, so of course drivers aren't so concerned.
@@LoremIpsum1970 london is a separate case, it's unlike anywhere else in the country. I read the news, but it's physically impossible to be up to date with everything, so what's up?
@@somu117 The point has nothing to do with using the fallback clean air justification, it was about the fact that with cars limited to 20mph, kids feeling safer playing in the road, and that 'some' cyclists could become a problem. People will normalize to vehicles at 20mph... watch Cyclists "Caught" Speeding by Police! BlackBeltBarrister
@@somu117you've obviously not driven around Wales , cyclists often ride together and are lined up next to each other with no intention of moving out of the way , many times I've had to go to the complete other side of the road to get past to chatty cyclists when all it takes is some courtesy to not be a massive risk on the road
everyone in Wales who disagrees with this ridiculous enforced 20mph speed limit, should drive at 15mph when in a 20mph speed limit to annoy all the idiots who voted this clown into office. Hopefully this will highlight the way the Welsh people hate this enforced restriction.
The people we find here live in lovely lovely Welsh village land where all is good and modern life as we know it in major conurbations are not known ,, get realplease .. life goes on for hardworking city folk having to put up with this imposed 20 mph madness .. interview some bus ,hgv ,delivery drivers,,,and care workers and medics having important caring work..taxi drivers also making a living... all on tight schedules..Parents at stretch taking their children to school making deadlines balancing family care and work ..well fines , road rage incidents, illegality all around the corner and increasing coming to Wales..
Why when they do these reports do they only find people who agree with it,oh yes its because you get accused of possibly killing children you nasty driver.and yes I do walk and cycle as well as drive.
Maybe it's because most of the people on the street _did_ agree with it. As the video said - everyone they asked except one was in favour. It's not rigorous research, but it does illustrate that despite all the noise there are a _lot_ of people who don't like speeding vehicles in their town/village.
Cancelled my 2024 summer week long motorcycing holiday in walse on Saturday on hearing it was officially 20mph everywhere. Got a full refund thank god. ive live in England and have motorcycled in Scotland but never walse🤷sad thing is i never will now unless the 20mph limit is changed.
There's increased traffic in Wrexham and the whole of Wales. The traffic was bad enough since Wrexham became a tourist hotspot because of the football club takeover. Now the bullies in power of Wales known as Mark Drakeford and Lee Waters have enforced the blanket 20mph speed limit in the whole of Wales making it unfair on Welsh drivers. Mark and Lee are not right in the head and they don't think about what is practical for people, they enjoy the thought of ruining people's spare time. There are a lot more people with road rage now because its harder for them to get to places on time. Mark says "It only adds an extra 5 to 10 minutes to people's journeys". That adds up to lots of hours of wasted time over the years. Next they will want to enforce a blanket 10mph speed limit. Mark Drakeford is trying to make himself look like a good person by saying "We are saving people's lives". Mark is actually making people depressed and he doesn't care that more people will commit suicide because he's adding to their problems. A lot of people have enough problems in their lives without having to put up with a blanket 20mph speed limit enforcement. Sometimes confused old people are driving 20mph on a 40mph/50mph road and it can increase the amount of accidents when people are trying to overtake them. Mark Drakeford also hates dogs and he wants certain breeds banned. He's trying to make people think that the people who have a different opinion from him are mentally confused conspiracy theorists. Mark Drakeford is a bad person just like his son.
It's bad in Merthyr too we already had a ton of roadworks going on with it seeming there's more being set up every day then to have the 20mph thrown on top it's made the place an absolute joke to travel on by road , trips that's used to take me 20 mins are upwards of 40 mins now
What i hope is for common sense to prevail. Dripford is no doubt on a power trip. He has revealed himself as being a nasty, narcissistic idiot. That said. It is a caring and considerate soul who understands that a safe and reasonable speed in town is no more than 30 mph. So what i hope will happen is that the Police will continue to monitor 30 mph zones ... whilst completely ignoring Dripfords narcissistic 20 mph roads. That way; so long as we continue to be safe, alert and considerate drivers in Wales, Mark Dripfords horrid little power-trip will spectacularly and embarrassingly crash. Power to the (considerate) people !!!
Places where 20mph exists are normally built up so lots of stop start driving. If you're only accelerating up to 20 you save a lot of fuel and because a lot of your journey is waiting at junctions total journey time isn't increased as much as you'd think.
@@philroo1 normally built up areas yes. But this is no longer talking about built up areas. And the 20 near me is not built up and there was no stopping and starting.
@@michaelcary7971 if you've genuinely got an open stretch with no stopping or starting then yea 20 is worse. Most residential areas there are enough reasons to be changing your speed for the acceleration savings to pay off.
It will decrease overall polution when a) more people start using other mains of transport when they realise it's safer/more convenient and b) when internal combustion engines start getting phased out (in 10 years)
@@somu117what you don't understand is the bus service in most local towns is unviable , buses are already packed if they show up on time at all, Wales is a country known for its wet and cold weather where a warm dry car is a better option than a cycling unlike somewhere like Spain which they keep using as evidence where cycling or walking is an actually enjoyable experience not a test of endurance Most people don't want to go to work after expending their energy cycling it's just not practical Here's one for you my girlfriend lives what used to be 1 hour away There is no bus route to there so my only option is to drive......the roadworks in Merthyr were already adding another 10-30 mins to journey depending on the day and I have to drive through 2 towns at 20 that are more congested than ever and can add upto another 20 mins onto the journey ...... My regular trip has gone from being usually an hour to between 1 hour 20 to 1 hour 45.............so tell me again how is 20mph helping me in anyway......my revs are higher throughout the entire journey now.....definetly costing me more in fuel , definitely increasing my carbon footprint and definetly causing me massive inconvience
Yes it’s legal but it’s not lawful So hold the man or woman who believes “you” a man or woman has broke the lore;( law) liable for trespass at court at the courthouse public building county courts and also hold the man or woman who act as the prosecutor liable to for false claim and compensation due from s/he personally. But hold them liable as a man or woman only ( never use their job titles ever ) Learn the difference between legal and loreful;( lawful)
Oh most definitely a scam , when they try to say stuff like "people are going slower so it's working" when people are only going slower because they don't want a fine or points on they license they present it like it's a choice when reality it's evidence gained through extortion basically
Well I am going to fly a red flag from now on while cycling to warn the public of all the dangerous cars approaching them that are following me, BTW Speed Limits do not apply to Cyclists so get prepared to be overtaken don't worry though as i will pass in a safe manner as per the highway code and I will even give you the obligatory 1.5 m of space, triggered yet LMAO. Why such angst against Cyclists ? Try riding a bike then you might just realise who's the dangerous one.
No the numpties are the one giving into unjust rules based on cherry picked numbers not the total evidence They keep using Spain as an example where it worked.....you know a warm country where walking and cycling is actually enjoyable THIS IS WALES WHERE RAIN AND COLD ARE THE STANDARD
Some of us have to work haven't got the time to toddle around on bikes on a jolly .... they wouldn't be so happy if they were loosing around £4700 a year in lost down time as a taxi driver would they ? That's £47000 over ten years ..... don't get me wrong I'm all for 20mph zones outside schools at start and end of school day ... personally I always do about 10 mph when the children are coming out , but having to do 20 mph at 2am on a empty road is a joke ! These pencil pushers don't get it .... y
£4700, and don't even let me get started what funeral directors would lose if this was introduced in england (30000 customers a year). They would riot.
Plus it's Wales where cold and rain are common place , they keep using numbers and figures from findings in Spain and it's like well that's a hot county where walking and cycling is actually enjoyable not a test of endurance
Arguably, 20mph will make main 60 roads more dangerous since people will be driving faster to make up the time. If you want 20mph in all areas, make it a weekend thing when people aren't working and kids are playing
@@rdrhouse You are greatly overestimating the total effect on journey-time of a max speed limit change, by assuming that the _entire_ journey is on a free-flowing 30-mph road converted to 20mph and there there are no junctions, crossings, traffic lights or roundabouts, and that vehicles take zero time to accelerate and never travel less than max speed. That not how real journeys work, nor would a whole 30-min journey be in a 20mph zone unless in a large urban area (in which case there will be plenty of lights, junctions etc). But yes, overall people don't need to speed dangerously - they just need to set off in time to arrive, and that timing can be adjusted slightly if the speed limits have changed.
@@xxwookeytry driving in Merthyr , entire place has been smothered with road works and it's going to remain that way for the next few years journey time had already increased due to that then they threw this 20mph on top journeys that uses to take me 20mins have several times taken me closer to 35-40 Min mark and is also a trip I take regularly , I'm stuck in so much more congestion and am at constantly higher revs than I used to be , my fuel consumption has also seen an increase Also my sat nav has compleltly lost all accuracy if my journey says and hour on sat nav looking at least an extra 10-20 mins on top of that YOUR JOURNEYS might only be slightly effected but it's become a whole case of mental gymnastics for me if I decide I want to go anywhere as far as Im concerned mark drakeford and Lee waters can burn in hell should be placed in stocks in the streets to allow people to throw stones at them go back to real punishment for the ACTUAL criminals of this country
Its not the car drivers who are the biggest risk factors. Its the pedestrians who refuse to cross on the crossings and waiting for the lights to turn to red. I see it every day on the main road by my house, people just blindly walking across the road in front of cars when theres a perfectly good and fully working crossing 20 meters from them. I always teach my kids to use the crossing correctly and the green cross code. Im only 34 but i was brought up to use the correct crossing methods.
People have a right to cross the road wherever they like in the UK. And drivers have a responsibility not to hit people. People shouldn't _have_ to walk 50m sideways and them back again just to cross the road. Please reconsider your 'might is right' attitude to road-use.
Yep. People have been walking for hendreds of thousands of years, unlike cars. There are exceptions. Motorists have access to thousands of mikes of roads from which pedestrians are banned...motorways.
Sorry, but the main problem is with the pedestrians not crossing the roads properly, yet everybody has to suffer because they are incompetent. Cure the fault at source not punish the outcome.
Sure, it's the pedestrians fault because they can't be bothered to walk an extra mile to all the crossings they need to reach and wait 5 minutes at each light because we devoted half of the urban areas to cars. Honestly, most zones are at least 40% commited to cars if you add up roads and parking. They even take up most of the pavements. Supermarket's parking lots are bigger than the shop itself.
@@somu117find it's more people crossing looking at they phones that are a problem or stepping out from in-between cars where they can't be seen or worse kids riding they bikes and scooters with no knowledge of road safety (I had a kid fly out of a t junction on a scooter when it was my right of way and slam into the back of my car Money could have been better spent on hospitals and education
@@weplayvrgames nothing to do with the streets being littered with cars making it impossible to cross safely and no safe speed limits, distracted drivers, illegal drivers, it's victim blaming all the way through. Gotcha
Using Drakesford's logic he should ban travelling of altogether!
The next step will be to keep everyone locked in their homes...... Ahhh I see where this is going!!!
What an absolute crock!
Ahhh. You worked it out. 👏
I've been talking to a long distance taxi driver in England. He now has a non Wales policy, won't take anybody there.
You can find 3 people that like this idea but in democracy you should be tending to the majority. And majority are not happy.
You can tell these guys don't travel much. 40 Seconds to travel a village is a lot when you travel through hundreds. It adds up.
Driving 5mph will save even more lives, having no cars will save even more! Why stop at 20? There's a fine line between reasonable and ridiculous, and this has crossed it.
That's the Labour plan. Ban all cars.
It's not a democracy thanks to khan we now realise its a DICTATORSHIP
BAN the 20mph signs. The reason is they have been put there by false pretenses. Prison for those who obtain money by false pretenses.
It's strange how all these politicians around the world are coming out with the same policies at the same time.
It's almost as though they were being controlled!!!!!
During the 70s oil crisis to ration fuel the Dutch had no car days. Everyone realised that they could still get where they wanted, fewer people died and streets were much nicer places to be. Lockdown has had a similar effect but globally, so you're correct that there's a link, it's just not a tin foil hat conspiracy.
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Maybe there are some common factors involved - like they all have to deal with the climate emergency, and they all have increasing health costs from obesity, and they all have poor air quality, and they all have persistently high road deaths. All of these things are improved by similar policies around the world to reduce car-dependency, make roads safer and give people choices that allow healthier lifestyles. It's hardly unlikely that these common factor would produce common responses, is it?
@@xxwookey healthier lifestyles are already offered if people want, it's the demanding them that is the issue. When there's a storm, should 80 yr old gran go out on her bike to get groceries? If a storm knocks out power how will emergency vehicles respond if they can't charge their battery? How will people in hospital have power for life support or emerg. surgeries? I'm all for going green, as long as there's a contingency plan to stop chaos from happening
@@user-ro6eb7xl6j What people are asking for ('demanding' in your words) is the _choice_ to walk and especially cycle. People don't have a choice to cycle when the only route is a 40mph road - that's why reduced speeds and more carriageway space is transformative - it's offers pople genuine choices.
Yes a smart gran would wait till the storm passes before cycling to the shops. It's not complicated. But granies can and do cycle about so long as they feel safe to do so. Just go to the Netherlands - it's full of old ladies on bikes going about their business - and they look very good for it.
And why are you now talking about power cuts on a video about cycling, safer streets and speed limits? There are other video for that discussion.
Asking a cyclist and kindergarten teacher about whether the horrid killer cars should slow down is a priceless piece of impartial journalism.
The second question should have been 'should puppies and kittens be thrown into a mincer for fun'!
I didn't notice many motorists being asked their opinion! Perhaps that would have messed up their survey!
I'm a cyclist and I don't think cars are horrid! I am learning to drive.
They made several articles about the opposite view
But those are real people who live there - their opinions are valid. I drive a car and I still think 20mph limits are sensible. Bit annoying sometimes when driving, but I also walk and ride a bike and I know how much less scary it is when traffic speeds are reduced. It's just a nicer environment. Cars _are_ noisy and dangerous when you are outside them so fewer of them, going more slowly, anywhere where people and bikes are, is a good thing.
I know. They just asked hippies. They all looked stoned.
haha your spot on there ... made me laugh too 👍🏻
the trouble with 20mph is the emissions are 50% higher, so while there's a possibility that a life could be saved by the lowered speed, it's guaranteed that more will die from the massive hike in emissions.
They don't understand it's about revs not speed when it comes to emissions
@@weplayvrgames that still doesn't stop them blindly making stupid comments just to tow the party line. So sad to see stupidity rearing it's ugly head.
20mph in Wales will have a huge impact on tourism...guess what struggling hotels will be offered by the Welsh Government for all those empty beds...classic cause the problem,manage the reaction,offer the solution ...we see you Drakeford.
No. The lower speed limit will attract different types of tourists, families, cyclists, people who like walking around exploring new areas. All businesses have to do is market themselves this way. Wales is beautiful and could be a destination country specifically for low traffic holidays. If things go well, the rest of the world would implement a lower speed limit in residential areas, and wales would be famous forever for being one of the very first implementing it countrywide.
@@somu117 didn't work in North Wales,simply a cash generator for overspent Councils and tourists couldn't risk losing their licences for minor infractions of the speed limit or receiving hearty fines on top of the day out they'd saved up for...one day out from Birmingham for example could result in not only a fine but a speed awareness course that requires more costs in fuel and time off work.
@@markriding1267 the whole idea is that they didn't need to bring their car. I don't know what/how it didn't work in north wales, but it wasn't long so likely that any positive/negative impact can't be feeling yet, only the frustration. All new things take time to get used to.
@@somu117 I lived in Corwen for over ten years,public transport is virtually nonexistent, there are few overpriced rail links to the popular tourist spots,in Ruthin a Medieval market town the only parking is at the bottom of a steep hill so the traditional elderly coach parties are denied access to the sights...etc.etc.
Why stop at 20mph why not 10mph or better still 15minute cities 🤫🙄
Cars and freedom of movement is not for the Poor it seems....
@@markriding1267 cars make a huge dent in poor people's incomes, a car can easily cost more than the gas&electrics combined. It's ridiculous how much people have to pay just to be able to go to work.
If people stopped driving for just a week and demanded public transport, you could see how fast the government would sort it. They don't do it because they profit too much from car taxes and from kerping people slaves to their cars. Btw I don't have a car and I don't feel trapped. A lot of people already live in 15 minute cities without realizing; if you can see your gp, shop, drop your kids off to school within 15 minutes from your home, you're living in one.
20. Then 15, then 10, then all cars banned. Thats what Labour are going for.
Damn lies! What a straw man argument!
One can dream, but I don't think we'll ever see such utopia
@@somu117 remember Covid. That's how they want you to live. Every single day.
dont tease me with a good time.
Funny....we got along for millenia without cars. It's only on the last 50 years that the concept of a car in every household has got hold.
Personally I'd rather see government investing in branch lines and good bus services.
What about the people who hate it? Thousands of people
2 local authorities discovered their 20 limits increased casualties because pedestrians became complacent and drivers were less careful.
85% of pedestrian injuries are their own fault.
20mph = lower gear = longer journey time = more pollution.
This isn't about safety, it's about control and the ultimate aim of the elimination of all personal mobility.
And hundreds of local authorities discovered that it _reduced_ casualties. The evidence is decades old and it's indisputable at this point that it _is_ safer. Read the report: "ROSPA 20mph factsheet" if you don't believe me.
And how do you reckon that "85% of pedestrian injuries are their own fault"? Almost all pedestrian deaths and injuries are caused by cars, vans, HGVS and buses. The danger comes almost exclusively from motor vehicles (99%, plus 1% cycles). Read the PACTS report "What kills most on the roads?" The motor vehicles are what generates the risk and that's why slowing them down and reducing their number results in reduced pedestrians injuries and deaths.
It really _is_ about safety (and a nicer and healthier environement as a bonus).
@@xxwookeyBravo.
I'm a motorist, motorcyclist and cyclist, and on the balance of all of these, I think it's a good idea too.
Well done on your careful selection of people to talk to.
Wouldn't be so bad if they organised the speed signs better, rather than different speeds every 15 yards.
First person a cyclist - this has got to be a comedy sketch! 🤣
Pedestrians can now bounce off the bonnet and won't hurt themselves, as a lot of them do seem to have a death wish and still can't see a car coming at 20mph.
It's kinda the driver's responsability to make sure they don't hit anything, they are the ones in charge of a 2 ton machine...
@@somu117 maybe you don't drive ...
@@OneWayTicketToTheMoon maybe the people who can't control their cars shouldn't be driving.
No one but the objector sounded Welsh? We’re there no Welsh actors free for the film?
bet people breaking it will be locals
Im refusing to follow it now because when I do everyone just overtakes or beeps they horn , the worst is when they try to say it's working because people are driving slower......they just don't want points on they licence if it was just a suggested speed with no risk of enforcement no one would have changed
It's basically false proof of they point through extortion
There is a petition against it on the senedd web site just over of 100k already.
Of course the people who love it are the people who don’t drive
I'm pretty sure when they were looking for opinions on it they must have just gone to cycle clubs
Walesonline - maybe you should read the room a bit better. Seen the petitions yet?
Propaganda piece. Did Senedd pay for this?
Appropriate 20’s are ok, but blanket 20’s are not.
And the roads already were 20 in those areas and no one questioned it , made sense but what they doing does not
I wonder if on some bus routes the extra time needed to travel a route will mean a reduction in frequency meaning those who depend on them may find they are no longer a viable option to get to work or to a hospital. Seems unlikely that bus operators will employ more drivers or buy additional
buses as this means more costs much easier to simply run fewer routes or reduce the frequency.
It might also impact on delivery vehicles as drivers hours may be impacted and the cost of delivering to more rural retailers and supermarkets could mean increased costs and therefore increased prices to customers.
Why weren't motorists asked? This is biased so called journalism ...I am a motorist and it should only be 20 miles an hour near schools, care homes and hospitals.. there is more revving of engines so more pollution! PATHETIC! DRAKEFORD SHOULD RESIGN
..past his sell by date
It usually works out the opposite way, the less convenient driving becomes, the more people use public transport, especially where buses have a separate lane. Driving in your car at 20mph vs riding a bus, the bus is comfier, you can watch yt videos while the driver does all the work, it's less stressful for you and you'll still make it in the same amount of time.
Perhaps ask questions about drakefords son?
Dickford Jr changed his name to conceal the embarrassing family connection. Too late, we already know who your dad is!
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fatty needs to use her bike more
Maybe she's just started after the speed limit changed? Because it was too scary before?
Make sure i never go to Wales ever again . 20 mph is just RIDICULOUS, its ok near schools , Hospitals, care homes etc, but not a blanket 20 mph across the entire country, just Ridiculous.
Dripford should be fired, this is what you get if you vote Labour, Liberal Democrats or the stupid green party
I'd normally go somewhere like Barry (and fritter money whilst there) on a nice-ish like today but with this 20 lark i cant be bothered tbh.
So how many people were getting killed on the roads at 30mph?
Good propaganda video did you buy it from North Korea?
Cyclists,biddies and dog walkers
BRILLIANT INTRODUCTION!!!
Search for the partition to get rid of it and sign it then post this conment on another video
parasites
Seen many a cyclist overtaking cars doing 20mph
They don't weigh a ton and a half though so they
@@philroo1 can’t weigh up what your point is but I’ll speed up my thinking on the matter
@@grantross9011 getting hit by something that only weighs as much as you do is way less likely to kill you than something that weighs 30x more than you.
From the Gov.Wales Site in Regards to the new 20 mph limits.
Why are bicycles allowed to overtake me when I am driving at 20mph?
Speed limits in the Road Traffic Regulations and the Highway Code apply to motor vehicles only and not to bicycles.
The Highway Code has been updated to include 3 new rules about the new ‘hierarchy of road users’.
The hierarchy places those road users most at risk in the event of a collision at the top of the hierarchy. It does not remove the need for everyone to behave responsibly.
It’s important that all road users:
are aware of The Highway Code
are considerate to other road users
understand their responsibility for the safety of others.
Not only they are allowed to overtake you, they are also happier, fitter and more confident than you, and they'll live longer, too.
Quick question.......... if they are changing the law and making the speed limits 20mph???? Do Ambulances, Fire Engines and Police have to abide by the same rules???? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh sorry your house burned down, Sorry your mother died, sorry your house was being broken in too.......... we came as fast as we could 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
wonder how much they got payed
What they should actually do is get all the oldies who still have a license off the road. They lack the cognitive ability to drive safely and are quite frankly are way more dangerous than someone driving at 30 in a residential area.
Here's a party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour party
Cherry picked just like the original survey.
The pure insanity of this polluting law means the a cars engine will now be running for 5 HOURS per 100 miles instead of 3 HOURS per 100 miles UTTER MADNESS. The safety problem is not a driver doing 29 mph in a 20 mph limit it is a driver doing 60 in a 30 mph limit. It will not save lives and I will not be driving in Wales ever again !
If it is going through a town then fare enough
Can we just state that cyclists are not restricted by the speed limit in law, and 20mph doesn't stop people speeding, the kind of people who cause the accidents in the first place...
Not many cyclists can nor dare go faster than 16mph, and the ones who do, don't cause pollution (fumes, noise), are a minimal risk to others (compared to a car) and their brake distance is by far shorter than a car's, besides cyclists pay a lot more attention to their surrounding as crashing specially when going over 20mph means several broken bones. Crashing in a car at 30mph is a little dent and maybe some whiplash, so of course drivers aren't so concerned.
@@somu117 You're obviously not from London...and don't read the news.
@@LoremIpsum1970 london is a separate case, it's unlike anywhere else in the country. I read the news, but it's physically impossible to be up to date with everything, so what's up?
@@somu117 The point has nothing to do with using the fallback clean air justification, it was about the fact that with cars limited to 20mph, kids feeling safer playing in the road, and that 'some' cyclists could become a problem. People will normalize to vehicles at 20mph... watch Cyclists "Caught" Speeding by Police! BlackBeltBarrister
@@somu117you've obviously not driven around Wales , cyclists often ride together and are lined up next to each other with no intention of moving out of the way , many times I've had to go to the complete other side of the road to get past to chatty cyclists when all it takes is some courtesy to not be a massive risk on the road
everyone in Wales who disagrees with this ridiculous enforced 20mph speed limit, should drive at 15mph when in a 20mph speed limit to annoy all the idiots who voted this clown into office. Hopefully this will highlight the way the Welsh people hate this enforced restriction.
Now build an Autobahn, & keep the bikes & driveways away from it.
Dear me!
The people we find here live in lovely lovely Welsh village land where all is good and modern life as we know it in major conurbations are not known ,, get realplease .. life goes on for hardworking city folk having to put up with this imposed 20 mph madness .. interview some bus ,hgv ,delivery drivers,,,and care workers and medics having important caring work..taxi drivers also making a living... all on tight schedules..Parents at stretch taking their children to school making deadlines balancing family care and work ..well fines , road rage incidents, illegality all around the corner and increasing coming to Wales..
Everyone I know in Wales think Drakeford is nothing but a trouble maker, and this latest stunt is one of his most annoying.
Why when they do these reports do they only find people who agree with it,oh yes its because you get accused of possibly killing children you nasty driver.and yes I do walk and cycle as well as drive.
Maybe it's because most of the people on the street _did_ agree with it. As the video said - everyone they asked except one was in favour. It's not rigorous research, but it does illustrate that despite all the noise there are a _lot_ of people who don't like speeding vehicles in their town/village.
I don't understand who walks their kids on the road I wouldn't even walk my dog on the road I use the pavement.
Slowing by traffic even by 10% is a 10% paycut for anyone who drives for a living. Such a sh*t idea.
Cancelled my 2024 summer week long motorcycing holiday in walse on Saturday on hearing it was officially 20mph everywhere. Got a full refund thank god. ive live in England and have motorcycled in Scotland but never walse🤷sad thing is i never will now unless the 20mph limit is changed.
Smart move
There's increased traffic in Wrexham and the whole of Wales. The traffic was bad enough since Wrexham became a tourist hotspot because of the football club takeover. Now the bullies in power of Wales known as Mark Drakeford and Lee Waters have enforced the blanket 20mph speed limit in the whole of Wales making it unfair on Welsh drivers. Mark and Lee are not right in the head and they don't think about what is practical for people, they enjoy the thought of ruining people's spare time. There are a lot more people with road rage now because its harder for them to get to places on time. Mark says "It only adds an extra 5 to 10 minutes to people's journeys". That adds up to lots of hours of wasted time over the years. Next they will want to enforce a blanket 10mph speed limit. Mark Drakeford is trying to make himself look like a good person by saying "We are saving people's lives". Mark is actually making people depressed and he doesn't care that more people will commit suicide because he's adding to their problems. A lot of people have enough problems in their lives without having to put up with a blanket 20mph speed limit enforcement. Sometimes confused old people are driving 20mph on a 40mph/50mph road and it can increase the amount of accidents when people are trying to overtake them. Mark Drakeford also hates dogs and he wants certain breeds banned. He's trying to make people think that the people who have a different opinion from him are mentally confused conspiracy theorists. Mark Drakeford is a bad person just like his son.
It's bad in Merthyr too we already had a ton of roadworks going on with it seeming there's more being set up every day then to have the 20mph thrown on top it's made the place an absolute joke to travel on by road , trips that's used to take me 20 mins are upwards of 40 mins now
What i hope is for common sense to prevail. Dripford is no doubt on a power trip. He has revealed himself as being a nasty, narcissistic idiot. That said. It is a caring and considerate soul who understands that a safe and reasonable speed in town is no more than 30 mph. So what i hope will happen is that the Police will continue to monitor 30 mph zones ... whilst completely ignoring Dripfords narcissistic 20 mph roads. That way; so long as we continue to be safe, alert and considerate drivers in Wales, Mark Dripfords horrid little power-trip will spectacularly and embarrassingly crash. Power to the (considerate) people !!!
Ann utterly rubbish puff -piece for the dictators. Pravda or Isvetsia would be really proud of this so-called "reporting"
Environmentally it is worse. My car gets around 35mpg going in a 20 vs 50mpg in a 30.
Places where 20mph exists are normally built up so lots of stop start driving. If you're only accelerating up to 20 you save a lot of fuel and because a lot of your journey is waiting at junctions total journey time isn't increased as much as you'd think.
@@philroo1 normally built up areas yes. But this is no longer talking about built up areas. And the 20 near me is not built up and there was no stopping and starting.
@@michaelcary7971 if you've genuinely got an open stretch with no stopping or starting then yea 20 is worse. Most residential areas there are enough reasons to be changing your speed for the acceleration savings to pay off.
It will decrease overall polution when a) more people start using other mains of transport when they realise it's safer/more convenient and b) when internal combustion engines start getting phased out (in 10 years)
@@somu117what you don't understand is the bus service in most local towns is unviable , buses are already packed if they show up on time at all, Wales is a country known for its wet and cold weather where a warm dry car is a better option than a cycling unlike somewhere like Spain which they keep using as evidence where cycling or walking is an actually enjoyable experience not a test of endurance
Most people don't want to go to work after expending their energy cycling it's just not practical
Here's one for you my girlfriend lives what used to be 1 hour away
There is no bus route to there so my only option is to drive......the roadworks in Merthyr were already adding another 10-30 mins to journey depending on the day and I have to drive through 2 towns at 20 that are more congested than ever and can add upto another 20 mins onto the journey ...... My regular trip has gone from being usually an hour to between 1 hour 20 to 1 hour 45.............so tell me again how is 20mph helping me in anyway......my revs are higher throughout the entire journey now.....definetly costing me more in fuel , definitely increasing my carbon footprint and definetly causing me massive inconvience
Yes it’s legal but it’s not lawful
So hold the man or woman who believes “you” a man or woman has broke the lore;( law) liable for trespass at court at the courthouse public building county courts and also hold the man or woman who act as the prosecutor liable to for false claim and compensation due from s/he personally.
But hold them liable as a man or woman only ( never use their job titles ever )
Learn the difference between legal and loreful;( lawful)
It’s just a scam wake up sheep
What’s the point……..
@user-xv2kk5fe5b Wake me up….
Baaaaa
Oh most definitely a scam , when they try to say stuff like "people are going slower so it's working" when people are only going slower because they don't want a fine or points on they license they present it like it's a choice when reality it's evidence gained through extortion basically
A Blanket ban on Cyclists using the public highway is way overdue, use the bike lane or go play in the park.
What bike lane?
@@philroo1 if there is no bike lane go play in the park on your bike or something.
@@stanneh1978 I work in an office, not a park.
Well I am going to fly a red flag from now on while cycling to warn the public of all the dangerous cars approaching them that are following me, BTW Speed Limits do not apply to Cyclists so get prepared to be overtaken don't worry though as i will pass in a safe manner as per the highway code and I will even give you the obligatory 1.5 m of space, triggered yet LMAO. Why such angst against Cyclists ? Try riding a bike then you might just realise who's the dangerous one.
@@philroo1 you don't need a bike in the office.
Just been on the road 17th and I think its great, except for the numpties who cannot drive within the limits. Good job Mark!
wanker
No the numpties are the one giving into unjust rules based on cherry picked numbers not the total evidence
They keep using Spain as an example where it worked.....you know a warm country where walking and cycling is actually enjoyable THIS IS WALES WHERE RAIN AND COLD ARE THE STANDARD
Some of us have to work haven't got the time to toddle around on bikes on a jolly .... they wouldn't be so happy if they were loosing around £4700 a year in lost down time as a taxi driver would they ? That's £47000 over ten years ..... don't get me wrong I'm all for 20mph zones outside schools at start and end of school day ... personally I always do about 10 mph when the children are coming out , but having to do 20 mph at 2am on a empty road is a joke ! These pencil pushers don't get it .... y
£4700, and don't even let me get started what funeral directors would lose if this was introduced in england (30000 customers a year). They would riot.
Plus it's Wales where cold and rain are common place , they keep using numbers and figures from findings in Spain and it's like well that's a hot county where walking and cycling is actually enjoyable not a test of endurance
asking a typical leftie 1:05 who has no clue, bet she votes for swp or whatever
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Arguably, 20mph will make main 60 roads more dangerous since people will be driving faster to make up the time. If you want 20mph in all areas, make it a weekend thing when people aren't working and kids are playing
Or they could set off a minute earlier, in order not to have to drive dangerously.
@@xxwookey that would only work on a 2 (two) minute journey. On a 30 (thirty) minute journey they woud have to leave 15 (fifteen) minutes earlier.
@@rdrhouse You are greatly overestimating the total effect on journey-time of a max speed limit change, by assuming that the _entire_ journey is on a free-flowing 30-mph road converted to 20mph and there there are no junctions, crossings, traffic lights or roundabouts, and that vehicles take zero time to accelerate and never travel less than max speed. That not how real journeys work, nor would a whole 30-min journey be in a 20mph zone unless in a large urban area (in which case there will be plenty of lights, junctions etc).
But yes, overall people don't need to speed dangerously - they just need to set off in time to arrive, and that timing can be adjusted slightly if the speed limits have changed.
@@xxwookeytry driving in Merthyr , entire place has been smothered with road works and it's going to remain that way for the next few years journey time had already increased due to that then they threw this 20mph on top journeys that uses to take me 20mins have several times taken me closer to 35-40 Min mark and is also a trip I take regularly , I'm stuck in so much more congestion and am at constantly higher revs than I used to be , my fuel consumption has also seen an increase
Also my sat nav has compleltly lost all accuracy if my journey says and hour on sat nav looking at least an extra 10-20 mins on top of that
YOUR JOURNEYS might only be slightly effected but it's become a whole case of mental gymnastics for me if I decide I want to go anywhere as far as Im concerned mark drakeford and Lee waters can burn in hell should be placed in stocks in the streets to allow people to throw stones at them go back to real punishment for the ACTUAL criminals of this country
Its not the car drivers who are the biggest risk factors. Its the pedestrians who refuse to cross on the crossings and waiting for the lights to turn to red. I see it every day on the main road by my house, people just blindly walking across the road in front of cars when theres a perfectly good and fully working crossing 20 meters from them. I always teach my kids to use the crossing correctly and the green cross code. Im only 34 but i was brought up to use the correct crossing methods.
Even if you think you've got it sorted with your kids, all it takes is someone else's messing around for yours to be in the road.
People have a right to cross the road wherever they like in the UK. And drivers have a responsibility not to hit people. People shouldn't _have_ to walk 50m sideways and them back again just to cross the road. Please reconsider your 'might is right' attitude to road-use.
Yep. People have been walking for hendreds of thousands of years, unlike cars.
There are exceptions. Motorists have access to thousands of mikes of roads from which pedestrians are banned...motorways.
Sorry, but the main problem is with the pedestrians not crossing the roads properly, yet everybody has to suffer because they are incompetent.
Cure the fault at source not punish the outcome.
Drivers are the fault hence speed limit change
Sure, it's the pedestrians fault because they can't be bothered to walk an extra mile to all the crossings they need to reach and wait 5 minutes at each light because we devoted half of the urban areas to cars. Honestly, most zones are at least 40% commited to cars if you add up roads and parking. They even take up most of the pavements. Supermarket's parking lots are bigger than the shop itself.
@@somu117find it's more people crossing looking at they phones that are a problem or stepping out from in-between cars where they can't be seen or worse kids riding they bikes and scooters with no knowledge of road safety (I had a kid fly out of a t junction on a scooter when it was my right of way and slam into the back of my car
Money could have been better spent on hospitals and education
@@weplayvrgames nothing to do with the streets being littered with cars making it impossible to cross safely and no safe speed limits, distracted drivers, illegal drivers, it's victim blaming all the way through. Gotcha