I'm Irish lived in Ireland my whole life and istg every time I see an American Irish person going on about how they're of "Irish ancestry" and act “stereotypically Irish” or act like they might as well have lived here because they visited tourist attractions one time here and then they actually don’t know anything about our culture or history It gets on my nerves, like it feels disrespectful especially when more often than not those people only know 1: weren’t considered white 2:potato famine 3: A lot of us emigrated to America Please just educate yourself if you’re going to claim you’re Irish at least learn about things like idk years of civil war , the language which is still present despite the last monolingual Gaeilge speaker long gone, how we actually act generally, etc. Anyways sorry for the rant, just read or talk to someone actually from Ireland
Cherokee here bub feel ya. Especially family lore "Cherokee" or DNA website correlate strong with the American Irish you're describing. Gramps was a ginger Cherokee so need to look into the dividing roots lol.
That's why I try to phrase it as, "yeah, that's where my genes trace back to." Or something like that. Technically, that's true, but my family has been in America since at least the early 1800s so I'm very far removed and I don't feel right equating myself to those in the culture. Would love to learn more about the culture and my roots in general, though. Just don't know where to start.
@@succo_di_re5484 to white nationalists and the like, Italians are not white. We are middle eastern. Sat down with this guy bc I was like you know, probably not ever guna talk to a white nationalist again, so might as well get an understanding. While I gained some, but I am now twice as confused as I was before. Like this dude what half Hispanic and he thought he was this 100% white, and him being Hispanic was a "common myth spread in America". He brought up Italians, to which I said I was, and he said I couldn't be because I didn't have the correct bone structure. The fact my mother my mother literally came on a boat says otherwise, but okay. He said Italians share the same bone structure, and a few other things I don't quite remember, with "what you would probably refer to as someone from the middle east or sand...." I'm sure you get that. And honestly those people are just gross. I don't think it matters if you are white. Like why? Does it? Not one country, religion, culture, or ideology that links "white" people. And I also don't understand why the right wingers "who don't care about race" defend whiteness. Like not to be overly political, but if you're trying to tell me it's not about race, why do you keep talking about it? And it's because they all would rather make us think you hate me and I hate you because you're this and I'm that. Because outrage gives them money. The media and the politicians, they all rather watch you burn it down and see who wins than to not dump gasoline on the fire. Thats why mitch McConnell voted on gun control and the democrats never prevented the overturning of Roe. Abortion and gun control are issues those 2 sides know are hard pressed issues for their constituents, the more they can say they're taking away your rights, the more money and power they have. Any way, fuck anyone who wants to promote separation or anger towards other groups. We are all people.
@@1972Ray Religious bigotry. Being excluded or mistreated on account of the fact a person was Catholic was very common in the U.S. because the nation was (and still is) mostly protestant. Read about Bloody Monday, the Philadelphia nativist riots, and the KKK's anti Catholic movement in the 1920s. This is to say bigotry is not just about race.
@@CoyoteCatalystStill doesn’t mean they weren’t black catholics. A lot of melanated people had Catholicism forced onto them. Still before religion still those people existed and they were melanated. Look up the Twa people. The ancient people of Ireland.
@CoyoteCatalyst still present in north America to this day, i encounter folks accusing us of idolatry, all sorts of evil, of not being christians, saying we are evil or at least our church is evil which for a catholic is highly offensive, etc that is what i see in more conservative parts of Canada. In more liberal parts we are every phobe and ist under the sun, viewed like devils etc. I imagine in america it must still be strong too.
Had nothing to do with their "whiteness", it was sectarian-based. For those not in the know, Irish people are majority Catholic Christians. When fleeing Ireland because of their actual oppressors in the form of the UK government and the attempted genocide of the Gaelic Irish, they left for foreign lands. Foreign lands that practised the same Protestantism and secratian beliefs as the English did. The KKK hated Irish folk and Italians, because of their Catholicism. It has nothing to do with race, and the racial argument falls apart when you know the actual history. Sincerely, an Irish person.
Yes, when Kennedy was running for president in the US in 1960 a key concern in Kennedy's campaign was the widespread skepticism among Protestants about his Roman Catholic religion. Some Protestants, especially Southern Baptists and Lutherans, feared that having a Catholic in the White House would give undue influence to the Pope in the nation's affairs. It wasn't skin color.
Shockingly, someone whose not irish still got their history wrong lmao. Good on ya for putting in your two cence. It's nice to have someone from the people being spoken about actually respond.
@@ladellg267 On top of this, the Draft Riots in New York during the 1800s were due to the American "nativists", who were White American protestants who viewed the Catholic Irish and Italians, as well as Romani people, Chinese, Indians, English and all kinds of migrants as "invaders" to the American lands. While it did have a lot of racial overtones, the fact remained that these people HATED Irish and Italians on the basis that they were Catholic, not due to their racial identity. Gangs of New York talk about this event.
I am Irish. This is a ridiculous argument. Anti-Irish sentiment in the British mainland is historically rooted in prejudices stemming from centuries of bloody and violent relations, intense anti-Catholicism (some Irish Catholics were considered unreliable because a Catholic would invariably be more loyal to a Pope than a King) and colonisation. The Irish were often portrayed as ignorant, untrustworthy and lacking in intelligence. Ireland was to be "civilised" in English eyes via colonisation and plantation and that obviously requires a process of "othering" and demonisation. Protestant Irishman such as the Duke of Wellington, Lord Kitchener and Lord Roberts etc. were hugely respected in England (leading the country for example both politically and militarily) but often had to deny their Irishness and ancestry. But they were by and large trusted because they were not Catholic. To suggest these issues were caused by colour is absolute nonsense.
It’s not suggesting Ireland’s oppression has been because of their skin color. The larger context to this video is about how whiteness is entirely made up, because different European ethnicities like Irish who clearly have white skin, have only been somewhat recently included and thought of as being white, instead of being something different and lesser.
You're literally just explaining racism. "The Irish weren't allowed into British spaces because of the negative stereotypes and stigmas about their people as a whole." Newsflash, that's what racism is!
no, your argument im afraid is incorrect. Dont get sensitive when race gets brought up, have you seen the propoganda of the irish being compared to africans and portrayed as monkeys? I am irish also, it is DEEPLY rooted in racism, why do you think we weren't considered "white" when the coffin ships were sent to the US? the british had used propoganda to portray us as non whites unlikes the british who were considered "pure", there is mountains of evidence of this and all it would take is a quick google search ffs
As an irish american that has spent equal halves of his life in ireland and new york currently living in louth, my experience has been that the true irish dont appreciate their heritage being reduced to a fashion accessory that is often associated with the worst stereotypes ex. Alcoholism. Claiming to be irish and buying into those stereotypes is disingenuous and insulting. Doesnt matter where youre from or who you are itd be like me having asian heritage and walking around with a racist straw hat and squinting my eyes, it’s ridiculous. That’s not to say the irish cant have a laugh and joke about stereotypes but when it becomes the way people perceive the irish generally thats an issue.
@@godlessplaytime4256 Alcohol is part of our culture for the past 3000 years We also have some of the lowest rates of Alcohol abuse in Europe So in other words go back to your opium filled tan land 2.0 Your not irish don't tell us anything about this country your a guest nothing worse thana tourist telling us how to be irish.
My mother (a Jamacian immigrant to the UK ) shared a house with a irish woman when she first came to the UK, for the very policy of " no Irish, no Blacks , no dogs policy. Auntie Leesha was not to be messed with.she would become my Godmother. When i heard overwhelming racist retorts from irish americans i was truly baffled. Rest in peace Mummy and Auntie Leesha❤ I've also lived in Dublin and I have seen and heard how pissed off actual Irish ppl get when they hear some of the bs Irish Americans spout.
"No Irish, no blacks, no dogs policy," the very same thing that happened in the USA. Depending on the area "no Italian or no Chinese, etc. Etc." Which makes this videos narrative moot. There is no country in existence that did not have racism or slavery. But there are still countries that have and practice slavery in the countries it all originates from. So when Middle Eastern/asian and African countries end slavery. Then we can have an actual talk.
My parents house here in the US still had it's original paperwork and on the contract it says "No Livestock, No (blacks)". This was rural Maryland in the 40's.
@zanthosazure3293 you missed the point of the video. He wasn't denying that others were enslaved or treated as less than others. He was calling out that IN FACT Irish Americans (who some love to other, others) were INDEED othered themselves.
As a European who took some time to study our history, I learned that it really doesn't matter what your skin color is. In central Europe, we pretty much look the same, yet there was just as much tension between ethnic groups as there was between racial groups in America. What I actually find surprising is that we stopped doing a lot of this, only recently.
No it doesnt matter about skin color but to argue that europeans especially northern europeans were not white is idiotic northern europeans were white it pisses me off to say otherwise we dont say africans were white becauase its simply not true everyone trys to black wash european culture. Many blacks migrated and were traded to european countries that happened but to say europeans were not white is idiotic
In Central Europe you might look the same, but doesn’t that then put an emphasis on skin color when someone that doesn’t look like you comes to town? Brown people would stand out wouldn’t they? From what I recall during my short time in Europe Gypsies kind of stood out because they were a little browner than usual. That’s as best as I could put it… African Hookers… I don’t think people necessarily ignored skin color. There is a difference between ethnic discrimination and racial discrimination in that ethnic groups can be of the same race. But I don’t think I can think of an ethnic group that is multi racial. I don’t think we have progressed that far yet, if you’re African American you’re picking a race for example even if you’re mixed. In Europe it seems it matters what color your skin is if immigrants have become part of the labor force… just saying
There's a reason for the Irish policeman stereotype and for so many famous Irish Americans in politics. My mother's father was police officer in Masssachusetts and his uncle was a Massachusetts state senator from South Boston for the reasons you said. They had to work within the system that excluded them to change the system.
I’m studying to be a history professor and this is one of the things I find most interesting. Ethnicities that used to be tied to specific nations, (Irish, Italian, Greek, etc) are now all just “White.” I’m not sure where this change occurred, but it’d be interesting to look into.
Easy look at the non-white white people and the time period that they mass immigrated into this country, they wasn't going to get adopted into the white republic until they understood and participated in the white supremacy systems in this country.
Omg..thank you for saying this...when I went where my ancestors came from, I got to see a monument built by the Irish to Native Americans as a thanks for them sending money and food even though they had so little also. It never takes away from a groups struggle to acknowledge the struggle of another group. ❤️
I pass that monument every week. Is this is the one near Midleton? Yes, the Indian tribe donated food during the famine , even though they so little themselves. It’s a lovely monument. Must look up which tribe it was.
Yeah but Ireland had a lot of Spanish and basque in it , the Basque left the east central Asia area to Spanish and French mountain area then on west ward with a lot in USA Mexico and South America , the reason that those signs were there was jobs , an old aunt told me the Irish got it when they came and the Italian and the polish after the war , coming to take take the jobs , which was true in a way , dagger John tells a story of Irish going on the boat to USA and the women had to sleep sitting up or a man would be on them , if you watch far and away it tells the same story dagger John does that the Irish were drunks , he became a priest to help them change their ways and gain jobs and better themselves , of course not all were like that , but today South Africa is not letting anyone in even other Africans because they don't have the jobs for their own , sign says no foreigners no wht's no blks , we have enough , 😂 ,
During covid there was a donation from Irish people to Native American tribes that gave to us during the famine. It was something like 2.5 million euro. We have never forgotten that kindness.
The kindness love support and solidarity, your people showed mine, is the very reason me and my family are alive. That kindness that was given, even after the hardships your people suffered over, the trail of tears, will never be forgotten. My children know our history and so will there’s. The food they got, the men gave to the women and children so they would survive. Our family will be forever grateful to your people.
@@smallfeet4581im Celtic not Spanish, not Mexican or black or arab or asian stop the hate you feel for my country, my people. Bad enough that your people tried to exterminate us and it wasn't about jobs its because when you enslaved us you had the firm intention of putting us all in the grave. We have nothing in common you and i you're rich born that way always will be. At least the indigenous peoples of the United States not Mexican's who helped us in our time of need ask yourself why a real Irishman hates you. Ask yourself how different we are. Im not protestant just so you know. Im from the north of Ireland. Strabane.
I wonder how many people would get offended by that? Is it because, in that moment they realized how horrible they were acting? Or are they too self-critical? Or would they walk off with their heads held high? Under the assumption that the sun shines out of their ass?
My family came over from Ireland as late as my paternal great grandmother, she escaped a horrid marriage. A great deal of Irish Americans fail to see just how poorly the Irish where truly treated
"Have someone read you this book"! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Dear Sir, you have the ability to throw overt shade so subliminally. I thought I was good at that but YOU'RE THE G.O.A.T!
@@rauminen4167 Not celebrating, Educating people to understand that many people who think they are white (and might be prejudiced) will see where they really came from and how hard their Ancestors lives were, it's showing history, and I believe hopefully bringing people together.
You are one of the few people I've ever seen addressing how the people of this island were treated in history. Irish were also used as slaves. My hair is naturally red and curly and my eyes are green. I do tan but apparently I don't have a European head shape, the rest of my family do. I have no clue about my dna. But I resemble my dad so I'm not a Cuckoo in the nest lol!
And this is exactly why Irish Americans who raise their heritage as a defence because they "weren’t considered white" don't get much benefit of the doubt from me: Irish Americans "became" white by actively participating in anti-Black racism, particularly by selling their labour for less in order to get Black workers let go and driven out of work. Irish Americans, historically, have no innocence to plead on this.
If I remember my history correctly, Irish and blacks lived in the same places, therefore there was a lot of mixed couples happening, it’s why some black people have last names like “McCoy”. It wasn’t the “masters” name, it was legit Irish and black people marrying one another, during one of the worst times for Irish folk,
Some black people also just named themselves whatever sounded pretty to them. Not everyone wanted their old slave masters last name. I wouldn’t rely on last names for heritage with black peoples from the United States when it was either cast away or ripped away from them in so many instances.
@@bogustoast22none25 but the red hair isn’t an “Irish” trait. The red hair came with the Vikings, Danes or whatever you would like to call them who actually took over most of Irelands port cities starting in the late 700s and on. They actually did a study that showed the areas of Ireland that the Vikings settled in had higher number of red haired men and their DNA showed they had Norwegian in them! Scotland and England have as well. And fun fact the only other place that has a comparable percentage of red heads is Scandinavia! Also another fun fact is they believe red hair came about because the lack of vitamin d!
@@americanbookdragon yep, my grandfather is a first generation born free man. He is an irish descending black man. His father was from ireland, his mother was a freed slave. My mother was born with red hair and freckles and brown skin. She's truly beautiful and I love her very much, at least good can come from the bad.
I have spent some time reading old newspapers from New York from the 1850s - 1880s for a research project. In the "Help Wanted" sections, wealthy people would place ads looking for cooks or servants, and they would frequently specify that they were looking for a "reliable Protestant girl". This was the "genteel" way to discriminate against Irish immigrants, because the vast majority of Irish immigrants to America were Catholic.
Reliable protestant girl ,, ? So not because they were considered reliable but because they didn't want a catholic girl. Thsts sad people discriminating because of their religion. Protestant or catholic, both are Christian and supposed to love one another... Especially when ya think about it like , 500 or so years ago , before protestantism came along EVERY Christian was a catholic .. 2000 years of christianity, for 1500 of them everyone was catholic. In those last 500 years since Protestantism started, its separated into many different forms of what a protestant is . ...religion is so hypocritical.. I'm English born but half Irish ( ma) i had many school holidays with family in Ireland , during the 60s 70s , when people were shooting or blowing each other up because protestant hated catholic and catholic hated protestants... Poxy religion...
😂😂😂😂irish people are white...simple...Anglo british tension is mainly a religious thing certainly nothing to do with race..and is a dog a race? The irish know all about oppression.. the irish are proud fighting people so they tend not to sit around waiting for handouts and demanding they get reparations for a very select period of history..
@@kevwhufc8640well, no, Catholics didn’t hate Protestants and you had no problems in the Republic (besides de IRA who was already prosecuted by the Garda), it was the other way around, no Catholic Irish was able to go to NI and have no troubles, so much that people used to leave cars parked before the border fearing their cars getting torched.
@@gosonegr how old are you ? What do you even know about Ireland , real life I mean, & not some nonsense propaganda you've read . Do you really think they were all best buddies ? That the Irish catholic loved the orange parades & all joined in the fun with the protestants !! Just from what you've said you obviously don't know anything about it. What do you mean Catholics couldn't go to northern Ireland ? You've obviously never been, otherwise you would have seen the curb stones painted in the Republican colours and the sides/ ends of houses with huge images of IRA soldiers with a machine gun and slogans, it was the same in the loyalist area curbs painted , houses with images and slogans, People outside Ireland think those terror groups are gone, disappeared since the GFPA, but they haven't, they might not be as high profile, not bombing or killing, kidnapping, but they both run protection rackets, control drugs, and other criminal activities.
@@kevwhufc8640 I live in Ireland, not far from where the long fella was born in fact, and, yes, for around two centuries there were no problem and there were protestants fighting in the republican side during the independence war, Sam Maguire was the one who recruited Michael Collins, Same with Casement who had family in Mallow. Anyway, there were, and are, tons of Protestant church in the republic. Look, even the protestants lose family during the famines, were recruiting by the dozen to fight in British wars and had really rough times under British mandate, it wasn't just a catholic thing, even tho it was specially hard on them, the protestants suffered their shit So, as a half Irish and English born, and I assume you took your education in the UK , you better don't talk shit when they called open fire on civilians "the troubles" and the great famine as some sort of accident
Speaking as Gael-Mheiricéanach myself - it is very true that Irish were not always considered white and is a fact we Irish should be very aware of. However, it is also important to know that the reason so many Irish-Americans are ignorant and disconnected from their heritage is because of that history of ethnic discrimination. Most Irish-Americans are raised to think of ourselves as Irish in a "hush hush" way, but not told much of anything about our own culture because we were traditionally pressured into hiding it. The end result is a deeply felt but also repressed affair that doesn't lean itself into learning this sort of thing.
Thank you!! The rage that comes over me when some yank claims to have experienced what it is to be Irish is just dangerous at this point… 😅 They’re like weird pick-me’s for a country they’ve only see on TV. Please…sit down with your 2% 😒
One thing we can say the improved diet and sunshine has improved Irish people looks. Thank goodness for that.funniest looking people I ever saw was in Ireland. Yet many of my American Irish friends and family are very attractive
It doesn’t violate any community guidelines on any platform yet it absolutely implies some rude ass shit lol and as it should 💯💯💯 I’ve been saying this for a while now it makes people stop and think “wait a minute… what do they mean by that have the day that I deserve they obviously don’t mean to have a good day or they would’ve said that” it sends ass holes down a rabbit hole that they can’t climb out of 💁🏼♀️😂💯🫶🏼
thanks for this one, I'm Irish and Chinese-Jamaican from Canada... people really arent knowing about this stuff... I heard they only really gave us relative rights to stop us rising up together with the Black workers and others, pre or post-abolition I dont remember... They still call us lazy drunks, but apparently its all just fun... same with our resistance against 800 years of persecution and occupation at the turn of the century... they called us terrorists, they still do if you listen closely, but you gotta know the history to understand... this is why we stand with Gaza, real authentically proud Irish people stand with you, and all historically and currently oppressed and persecuted peoples around the world... Peace!!!!! 🇨🇦🇮🇪🇯🇲
The sign stating "no Irish, no blacks, no dogs" does not necessarily prove discrimination based on skin color. If the intention was solely to exclude individuals because of their blackness, there would be no need to specifically mention no blacks on the sign. The fact that it is listed separately suggests that there may be other factors at play. For example, the Nazis displayed signs proclaiming "no Jews," indicating a potential cultural conflict rather than purely racial discrimination.
My Grandfather came to America...and Breyers Ice Cream...discriminated against him because he was an Irish Catholic. It was a Jewish Company.This...back in the day.
Yup. It was a reach. The idea is prejudice against catholics, perceived traits and absolutely nowt to do with being white or otherwise. Ridiculous notion. No British person ever thought the Irish were bloody black. The book is actually a notion that Irish immigrants (to America) moved to be more accepted, by taking up American whites prejudice against black people. So....WTF is he talking about.
Thank you so much brother ❤ I'm Irish, I'm a dub (from Dublin 💪) and we were persecuted for years under British rule. It was illegal for us to speak our language, own land, practice our religion, keep our Gaelic names or work for ourselves under colonisation. We were considered slaves and our country was under British rule for 800 years until we fought back and used guerilla warfare to claim our land back. This was an oppressed country, kept under rule and literally living in third world conditions until we fought back. Northern Ireland was considered a war zone up until the mid 90's. We were treated like shit, had our land taken off us, petty criminals were shipped off to Australia to be sent to jail.......sent across the world, in one case for stealing potatoes cos the child was facing starvation. We know slavery, we know colonisation, we know discrimination and we fucking fought tooth and nail to be able to call ourselves Irish 🇮🇪❤🇮🇪❤🇮🇪❤🇮🇪
I do have Irish heritage but there is no way in hell I’m claiming the culture or anything. Y’all spelling is way to stupid. The rest of it is very cool (especially the history) but that spelling. Mmmm yah nah thanks. Edit: made the AA meeting mad lol.
It's either the nicest or the coldest thing that can be said to you, and that can only be determined by the person it's being told to, astonishing. I'm stealing it.
It’s mostly had to do with in the USA, we recognize “race” as in whether or not you have melanin, and sometimes where geographically where you were born. Other countries for centuries didn’t always see it that way. It was more about cultural, religion, geographical, and many other determinations. Wasn’t always just by the color of one’s skin.
It’s still not just about skin color. Some people want to make it simply about skin color for their own purposes. “Whiteness” itself is a social construct and moreso refers to a set of cultural values and belief systems rather than simply skin color. It’s always more complex than skin color alone. And this didn’t start in the US.
My husband is white and I'm black, don't want kids but I do wander what they would consider themselves. In my experience people don't generally consider themselves mixed,probably because it's so vague. Mixed with what? White and black, Hispanic and Asian, Hawaiian and Jamaican???
@@demonheart13 it not only depends on the individual, but it depends on who you are talking to as well. Mixed race to a lot of black people mean mixed with black and white. I'm mixed race. My father is primarily Scottish and my mother is from the Kingdom of Tonga. She's very much of a darker skin color. But many black people do not consider me a person of color even though white people do not consider me white. It's very tough being "brown" these days.
@@demonheart13 I've never met a mixed (white/black) person that's referred to themselves as white. It's always have been either black or (less frequently) milado. Even when black is mixed with Asian, the preferred identification is usually black.
as an Irishman (Gaeilge is my first language) I endorse this message 100%. Its all true. We were colonised. And treated as a sub race. Ironically it probably made us nicer than all those entitled whites.....haha
Um...no. yall threw black folks under the bus with the quickest to assimilate into whiteness. Boston is one of the most racist and violent cities toward Black folks...guess who lives there?
My first Irish ancestor in America was exiled by Cromwell into slavery in Barbados. Within a short period of time, the British outlawed slavery but left the humans they had kidnapped and exiled without any way to return home. My ancestor was able to be placed into indentured servitude with a merchant from Massachusetts, hence he was the first Irish Catholic in Massachusetts.
@@RonSill1986 Prisoner / kidnapped kind of the same thing as the laws then were harsh, steal a loaf of bread = 7 yrs hard labor. Who knows what his "crime' was, fighting for his homeland? thats not a crime, after losing should be allowed to go back to his family. But being sold into slavery isn't that kidnapping? I think it is.
@@lee02jepson the Irish enslaved Britons for centuries before they were colonised. St Patrick himself was a slave taken by Irish raiders. One could call it karma.
@@RonSill1986 is it even possible that that morally balances Cromwell’s cruelty along with the other cruelties that 800 years of colonization brought on Irish people ☘️💚🇮🇪
And they should. But also think of the people who are kind and considerate, but get walked on by others every day....it makes US smile and feel better!!!
Something I just recently learned, in addition to African-Americans many sundown towns included Irish individuals amongst the ones that should not be found inside towns after sundown.
The Irish and Scottish were some of the cruelest overseers of the enslaved in the U.S. and the Caribbean. It's not all or nothing. The U.S had more of a CASTE system but the Irish were able to navigate it to their White skinned advantage every generation, *though in different permutations.* Later generations were not as welcome as earlier. Remember, the concept if WHITENESS was new as well. SO MANY PLANTERS were of Irish decent and were the wealthiest families in the U.S. pre-Industrialization. The story is not as simple as many would like to make it.
No Irish had to do with Irish Catholicism vs British Protestantism. Nothing to do with skin colour. In Ireland we’re not taught to see race in everything as a scapegoat or excuse. It has to do with religious persecution and land ownership. Educate yourself
What he's saying isn't wrong, though. American racism is so weird that the fairest skinned people ever , the Irish, were not considered white at one point. In America.
false. you need to study more. had nothing to do with religion. you can look at the charts comparing irish people to black people, and black people to chimpanzees. the cartoons showing irish as sub-human apes, just like black people. you're erroneously viewing history through the myopic lens of more recent english imperialism in ireland. the american history of race is much different to what you know, and that's the subject of the video. and now you're closer to understanding that whiteness, like all race, is a construct. he never said skin color. he said whiteness.
Ya it's pretty typical for liberals that struggle to explain their insane beliefs. Like this guy's inability to comprehend the difference between Irish prejudice and being white...
People in the US these days try so hard to be "unique" or "different" by acting like they're from a different culture when they are mainly american and don't know the history of the culture they try imitating. Like Mexican Americans, African Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans etc.
We were stuck on an island next to the world worst colonisers.we were so thouroughly erased and colonised that we struggle to seperate our culture's except for a few hold overs such as a modernised interpretation of our music and dance. But everything else is lost. The food the clothes the socioeconomic culture, the true language, all gone
Slavery, funny considering that apparently white men invented slavery to oppress blacks in America & hold them down & continue to do so to this day according to blacks.
Lol I like what you did there. Leave it to us newish whites to explain it to other newish whites how this all works. Many confused as you can see. Some really have forgotten where they've come from. Props for bringing to our attention. You've done more than enough. Thanks for this video :)
I’m Irish and have travelled At what point does white stop being white. Seems that today because of BLM and the likes (that attacked blacks n whites alike) anything even suntanned is black for fear of being called a racist or a white supremacist. I played in an Irish folk group on tour in Germany. We played at big venue full of American military. We played everything we could to get their attention. We weren’t getting the attention until our accordion player/singer sang an un accompanied solo song “ The shores of my native land “. It was about forced emigration from Ireland 🇮🇪. The silence that came on the place was awesome and the applause and cheers was huge. Trays of schnapps Guinness and gratitude followed. It was amazing the reaction. Some never set foot in Ireland but still could relate to what Irish immigrants to USA 🇺🇸 had gone through. ☘️🇮🇪🇺🇸🇮🇪🇺🇸🇮🇪🇺🇸🇮🇪☘️
As a full blood irish an I can say much of the frustration comes Americans of irish ancestry claiming our nationality and culture yet perpetuating negitave stereotypes without understanding why they exist, I love my American Irish folk but your culture is not the same
We basically commercialized our own culture to eke out a living under people who hated us, just like the Italians Except italian-american cuisine is actually good
Look up Appalachian culture. It's where my Irish American family is from and from what I can tell a lot of the culture naturally passed on generations and simply was Americanized. It was also fairly isolated which makes it a pretty interesting case. I didn't really realize this till my Papaw and I sat down for a family report when I was much older. Interesting stuff.
@@MiloManning05 That would be a nope. We can trace our line through DNA and documentation back to when we left. Apparently our family all came from Cork, so further South.
"No Irish need apply" and "No Irish wanted" was printed on most if not all job adverts in newspapers in Perth, Western Australia in 2009! Some Australians in Perth were cool but Ive never felt so alienated in my life living there
Reading 19th century British literature really gives you an idea of what these ppl thought of Irish/Easter European/southern European people. Usually via some kind of scandal where an English lady would marry an Italian or something and her family would call him an ethnic slur and cut her off. And they really did believe that different ethnicities had different kinds of blood or 'temperments'.
@@milosevicmihajlo499 I don't think the quality of the insult has anything to do with the correctness or incorrectness of his statements. Also, it's not wrong about the Irish.
this is true, one of my close childhood friends was irish and his mother had a “no irish need apply” sign (can’t recall if it was her who had taken it down or her mother)
Yeah but many years ago the Irish knew when the blks got their freedom they would be at the bottom for jobs , there were troubles because of that , I've heard ones call Irish drunks when they were the ones who took jobs in police , you notice USA ended up with the criminals and ones fleeing police in Europe etc , it was the wild west , then there emerged the mafias , if there wasn't a USA all those in USA would either have been jailed or killed or elsewhere , the Basque and Armenians all went to USA ,some staying in the Alps they moved to and wanted to remain autonomous , that's why France had terrorist bombs going off by the Basque separatists and red brigade if I remember right , they went to France from central Asia area and some to Ireland and the Americas , Armenians fled genocide by the ottoman Turks and Hitler forcing them to become muslim , ones went to USA to flee Russia from Nordic countries , in saying that Hitler was also doing away with Armenians ,gypsies , etc , so was the ottoman Turks , Tito of Yugoslavia was in with Hitler , Hitler was also wanted rid of the poles , sadly USA is just an extension of the troubles in Europe and the east , but the Irish were not blk , they had Spanish and other but those had gone to Ireland , they were not indigenous , there was also the slave trade there where wht Scottish stolen and sold by the Dublin vikings who sold others they captured from around the world , I have photos of Irish from 1800s and they don't look anything but wht , if anyone has different photos I'd be happy to see them however that does not excuse their behaviour in USA
What like that champion of racial justice JFKJr? Or the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame that literally fist fought with the KKK? You obviously never lived with the Irish of USA.
They never turned around and became racist there have always been tensions between minorities. Similar to how latinos and black people hate eachother now. Just because both struggle against a common group doesn't they'll be friends.
As an American Irish person who's family is in America because of that oppression and suffered more of it once they arrived and has taken the time to educate myself on my heritage, thank you so much for this! Too often do I try to have a conversation about this topic with people and I get shut down because I'm white. It's frustrating so I'm very thankful for creators like you bringing more light to this!! Makes my heart happy!
I get it! I don’t want to be a victim or reparations or anything like that; but it’s a crime to even make a joke “oh irish aren’t really even human” as to refer to how we used to be treated because there’s a conspiracy to hide that fact. Not only is it not taught in schools anywhere; but people get angry or mock you and treat you as stupid for stating historical facts. It really doesn’t make sense to me at all. I don’t even want empathy for it or to talk about how I’m oppressed; just the ability to comment on it myself without being verbally brutalized.
Yes, it's so disheartening to be shut down because I'm very white passing, but do not identify as white. I've been bashed multiple times for it and told it doesn't matter what my ancestry is because pale-blonde-blue-eyed today = White. My heritage is, as far as we have any record, Irish and Cherokee. Yet, if I don't identify as white and white alone, people seem to get all up in arms. I can acknowledge that I have privileges that many do not by passing as white today while not ignoring the hardships my ancestors endured and the generational poverty we were subjected to from not being considered white (My predominantly Irish county is still the third poorest county out of 3,143 in the US today.) Some people interpret me not claiming whiteness as me claiming to be equally disadvantaged as Black and Brown people in the US today, but that's not what it's about at all. It's about honouring the truth and experiences of my ancestors while expressing solidarity with other marginalized groups and acknowledging that race has and always will be a social construct. To claim whiteness today feels like spitting in the face of my ancestors, especially the Native American side whose melanin I happened not to inherit. I've even been told it's cultural appropriation for me to grow my hair and braid it for cultural and spiritual reasons when both my Mawmaws, my Great Grandma, dad and Pawpaw, all having done the same, all because I inherited specifically the colouration of it from my non-white Irish family. It's really sad to see my acknowledgment, appreciation, and hand reached out in solidarity twisted into a divisive, wannabe victim, not-like-the-other-whites narrative. I will not take on the "race" of my ancestors' oppressors that they used to divide and dehumanise us, and I don't have to in order to fully acknowledge that my appearance alone does come with great privileges in this country today.
@@TheAwesomes2104 but you where born in America and raised there your American you may have Irish ancestry but YOU haven't faced the hardships of being Irish you have not been persecuted like the northern Irish have that's the difference
@@TheAwesomes2104 what about tailor trash white folk with abusive mom and absent dad, lol. Those people have more privelage than you because their ansestors had to work night and day on farms just to keep from starving to death?
I wish people would ACTUALLY learn our history and how we were the most oppressed nation for hundreds of years yet we have to defend our culture and ethnicity around every corner I actually think its time that we are recognised as a unique ethnic group because our culture and identity are literally being wiped out forever
Sir you 100% just readin rainbowed rascism and its amazing. Please start a series of videos and be the Lavar Burton of books to education yourself. I love it!
My favorite thing to disprove the concept of “whiteness” as scientific fact or “white culture” is that Ben Franklin thought Germans were “too swarthy” to be considered white.
@@neeadevil4840 He also thought the same about the Swedes. In his eyes it was probably pink-skinned englishmen=white. It also exemplifies that even exceptionally smart and competent people can have really silly ideas.
@@vendetta314dagoddess hard to put into words really, but it seems to be decided randomly who is considered white or not. Why just why? Oh and when you are not considered white but definitely not black what are you then? Chopped liver?
@@vendetta314dagoddess no, whiteness was very much a thing in the united states throughout most of it's life, and became much more of a systemic product in the late 1800's onward
@@mathewhex7045 depends when This is famine immigration there was not irish term we were under british occupation and called British if you were called irish you were usually a rebel to the crown and wanted Irish were not considered white by English British "historians" made up bs about irish migration from the middle east as a way to prove that we can't run our country or have home rule within the UK since in this time it was believed non whites had were savages
Do you know anything about Newfoundland in Canada? The people here don't claim to be Irish, they are Irish. A lot of Irish settled here 300 years ago, lived in isolation on the island for centuries, and only joined Canada in 1945. Most people have Irish accents and dialect, and our culture, music, food, and bloodline are very Irish. People from here don't often visit Ireland, but if they did, you would think they were from there when you heard them speak.
@@ADogNamedStay I can GUARANTEE that is NOT what, “have someone read you the following book” was meant to imply. To spell it out, politely telling the commenter (that “knew” that Irish were always considered white (to the point of laughing at “RedMenace80”) strictly because they are “of the fairest skinned gene pool) to “have someone read you the following book” is meant to imply 1 of 2 things about the commenter. They are either: 1. not old enough to read and therefore are in need of someone else to read and explain the book to this young Irish American. - OR - 2. That the Irish-American is obviously not capable of reading and/or understanding an adult level, non-fiction book such as “How the Irish Became White.” so they should ask someone capable of such reading and understanding to Read the book TO THEM. Mature people can often have polite sounding conversations that, when listened to closely, are NOT actually polite.
This is very true. I've married into an Irish American family that came to the U.S. in the early 1900's and had to deal with this. But his family was also called black Irish which of course made them even less than the average Irish.
I’m Irish and we’ve always been considered white. The anti Irish sentiment which came from the English which was based around religion and not being Protestant. Nothing to do with skin at all.
I have Irish and Italian ancestry, and I've always felt it unnecessary to say anything about any discrimination my ancestors went through. Because you're right. There's no point having that conversation with people who refuse to be educated about it. I love your videos and the context they give. ❤️
I'm Irish and Italian too! Although my skin tone absolutely leans toward the Irish side I don't tan I only burn and I burn within 10 minutes of being out in the sun
Just a subtle point here . The Irish are and have always been WHITE. The only discerning quality was ACCENT.!!! Once an Irish person lost his accent or his defendants no longer aquire that Irish accent there was no way to differentiate so you all cut the crap. People have always and will always find reasons to discriminate against each other but to try and deminish the plight of blacks and the slavery experience by saying oh we had the same issues is total fuckery and you know it. A black person will be black no matter his accent . Once an Irish or an Italian loses that accent he's just another whitebperson. Italians my be a bit darker but still white and nobody questions that unless you make an issue vof it yourself
I agree with you, we know that people were imported and exported to and from Ireland around 400AD where St Patrick was kidnapped from England and brought to Ireland. So yes, I do believe there were multiple skin tones in Ireland throughout the years. But, as the sign represents, and this isn’t a fact that this is what the sign meant; but there was a large civil war in Ireland which split Ireland in half. One group of people wanted to be separated from England and the others wanted to be united with England which is why we have Northern Ireland and then just Ireland. But one of the parties known as the “Blacks and Tans” were a group of “police force” sent by England to fight the Irish into submission. So to me, the sign was not being racist or segregating, but was talking about this police military group. I am a proud Irish American and yet I don’t try to push it into peoples faces but I also try to respect my heritage and have fun while doing so. I love learning and studying about Ireland and their traditions there, and hopefully some day I can go there and see in person all these things I have learned about.
I think it’s really important that we talk about this. I feel everyone wants to put People are different from them in a little box and say hey this is what you are. Whether your skin is black or white, you still have a history and I can’t just be summed up to a color.
@@persephonel2117 He hasn't actually. I'm British and have seen exhibits about this in museums. Irish were treated as lesser blood due to their ancestry. Anglo-Saxons looked down on those of Celtic blood, which Irish and Scots were/are.
As an Irish person who makes his living doing walking tours for American tourists, I'm pleasantly surprised to hear you say EXACTLY what I've often desperately wanted to scream at some of my groups. The suffering inflicted on your ancestors is no excuse to perpetuate that which other people are still suffering, especially if you personally are so far removed from that suffering that you can afford a transatlantic flight, a four star hotel and a private tour guide. Cheers for this, Sunn.
I’m 3rd generation Irish American with family still in Ireland. Several of them have visited us. I have always wished to visit them, and the family farm we still have from the 1300s… but haven’t been able to afford it. Moving to America lost my family so much and caused deep scars that we still carry. I don’t fault my grandparents for their decision. And I’m happy I have my husband and children. But I’m not free in America. None of my family acts free. Everyone acts chained and scarred - but still happy and moving forward because that’s the Irish spirit… My Irish relatives on the other hand, they act free and untethered. They have the history of standing and fighting and winning against the Black and Tans and every other incursion - where my side has the shame of running and coming to the country of false promises and battling overt anti-Irish racism…
While I am unequivocally American, my ethnic ancestry is indeed 100% Irish. I was raised to be aware of Irish history, especially with respect to the events which led to my antecedents' arrival on these shores. The first Irishman of my name arrived on these shores under a contract of indenture, which is a gentle euphemism for slavery. He arrived to learn that the contract holder had been captured, tried, and hanged for aiding Confederate forces in union-held territory. He was informed that his contract was void, and thus had two options. He could return to Ireland, his contractual obligation fulfilled, or he could remain on American soil in civilian service to the Union army. Given the price on his head at home (he'd participated in a rent strike), he chose the latter. He spent the remainder of the war as a cooper, wagon teamster, farrier, and leather tanner. In 1872, he responded to the call of General John O'Neill, and took advantage of homesteading rights in Northeast Nebraska. For those unaware, O'Neill was a lawyer, land speculator, and army officer. He was also a member of the Fenian Brotherhood, and led/participated in several Fenian raids into Canada. The aim was to harass and hold hostage British Canada in order to ransom Home Rule in Ireland. I actually have a couple of period handbills which were designed to dehumanize both Irish immigrants and freed former slaves. Both are depicted with ape-like features and contained warnings of the dangers they posed to respectable American society. I am prepared for any discussion any Irishman may wish to have on the subject. I am always eager to learn new things, and perhaps share some things about the Irish immigrant diaspora which present day citizens of Ireland may not know.
As an Irish American this bothers me too. I wrote my dissertation on how there was cross pollination between black civil rights leaders and Irish Republican leaders. Thank you for making this video! Fun thing, I’m learning Irish right now and during the George Floyd protests a bunch of Irish American cops inadvertently wore shirts saying Black Lives Matter because they thought it was blue lives matter in Irish. But it read blue men lives matter which is Irish for black people because in Irish black was considered a shade of blue. My friend speaks Irish fluently and confirmed this to me when I asked him.
The Irish for black is ‘dubh’ and the devil is called ‘fear dubh’ which means ‘black man’. Obviously they’re weren’t going to call actual black men the same term as we use for devil so it’s became ‘fear gorm’ which is ‘blue man’.
Honestly, these subjects still make me so proud of my Irish Nanny (Grandma). She and her Indian neighbour (another lady) set up a spice business in England in the 60s. Two immigrant women raising families (and in Nanny's case, a large one) alongside running their business. Fantastic. Unfortunately both have now passed away, but I'll always be proud.
Both historically genocided by the Brits. Irish famine and bengal famine. Heck Brits did such a number on Indians that their bodies are genetically in starvation mode.
a lot of what modern woke kids and race-baiters miss from understanding historical contexts is a lot of wars and anti-colonial revolutions weren't a color or race thing but had religious vs secular, theocracy vs kingdom undertones to them.
My nana and grandad had to leave Ireland and go to the UK because there was no jobs for them in Ireland. Unfortunately they did suffer racism and were stigmatised in the UK. My mum told me about the awful signs she saw growing up. Being born to Irish parents in 1950s in the UK, my mum and aunty suffered racist remarks at school, they were often left out and called names. Thank you for highlighting this ❤ ❤ ❤
@@rodericblack4657 why should I? I’m wearing an anti-racist shirt! Do you not know the history of the racist signs in stores saying: “No Irish No Blacks No Dogs” ????!!!!! So you’re cheering that racism? Seems like you’re the one that should be embarrassed!! Táimid amach anseo!
Probably one of the best comments I've ever heard. I am Irish, was born in the West of Ireland, travelled around the world but when my skin hits the sun, it goes black. Go figure.
My red headed grandmother was born in 1904 in Mankato Minn. Her mother used tar soap daily on her hair to make it look brown. 😢 In the 1920’s she chopped it all off in anger. I was given her 3 foot long braid of hair to remember her by.
Proud of my heritage. People don’t talk about the mistreatment of the Irish , and most laugh it off because they only see skin deep. Mom and my grandparents came here just like anyone else, and had to work hard to get what they have. Be proud of your people, skin colour means nothing.
The Irish side of my family migrated to England, the USA, but many remain in Ireland. The Irish were treated worse than many countries, our land taken, people forced to leave , Cromwell and others tried stopping Catholicism, replacing Irish with English protestants. ,,leading to uprisings which resulted in more punishment such as being transported to Australia, Propaganda against catholic Irish from ruling classes made out we were subhuman, using derogatory terms such as black Irish Which has nothing to do with skin colour, it originates from the fuel most people used , peat , cut from dirty black smelly peat bogs , hence the term "black as bog" ... Hardly anyone talks about how terribly the Irish were treated. But everyone who's black goes on about slavery even tho it ended long before the Irish finally got some form of peace just q few years ago. Leading to pro catholic Irish such as the IRB , then later the IRA And fighting protestant loyalists such as the UDF UVF ,bombing and killing each other.
“Now have the day that you deserve.” Is now my absolutely favorite line out there. It’s like a far less passive aggressive version of bless your heart haha. Love it! Love your content as well & all the information you share with us!
As an Irish- American who has been taught about how the Irish weren't looked at favorably.It pisses me off knowing that some people just say " I'm Irish " to get attention on Saint Paddie's day.
Basically everyone who wasn't anglo-saxon was the outgroup until a new group came in, then they insisted everyone is all buddy-buddy and must unite to protect 'muh culture'
@@mogscugg2639 Everyone who was not Asian or Black from Africa were the outgroups in the US. Italians, French and Irish are examples of whites, of course. This is the de jure ingroup of the US since 1790.
@@mogscugg2639 That doesn't make you Black and in the United States, being Black or being Asian were the only racial disqualifications for being white. Nice try. From the instant Irish set foot in the US, they had white power and many notoriously wielded it as they got off the boat from Ireland, beating and killing the first black people they had seen in their lives.
In Europe, Hispanics are white and have been white. The US splits hairs a lot more about who is and who isn’t white. Just like a middle-Eastern is considered Asian to a European.
Exactly, this video is nonsense. The English were also catholic until a certain point in history, then our religious and political differences classed us as lesser in the UK, but we were never considered not white lol misinformation
This even happened in australia, the British colonists treated Irish convicts and immigrants as sub human at times, my great grandparents were actually an aboriginal woman and an Irish convict. their children were even involved in the stolen generation, where the British would forcibly take australian native children away into foster homes and Christian schools away from their families. Despite all that I’m white as paper and experience none of the discrimination my ancestors did, it’s crazy how racism had populated even the most distant continent to Britain I suggest anyone look into Australia’s history with racism, I think it’s pretty interesting and valuable to look at in our modern times
I think alot of Irish Americans like any other immigrants have just forgotten their past because weve been here for generations now and havent been persecuted since the 60s so they no longer live in close knit communities and the history isnt full of great victories or conquests its mostly depressing
I'm Irish lived in Ireland my whole life and istg every time I see an
American Irish person going on about
how they're of "Irish ancestry" and act “stereotypically Irish” or act like they might as well have lived here because they visited tourist attractions one time here and then they actually don’t know anything about our culture or history It gets on my nerves, like it feels disrespectful especially when more often than not those people only know
1: weren’t considered white
2:potato famine
3: A lot of us emigrated to America
Please just educate yourself if you’re going to claim you’re Irish at least learn about things like idk years of civil war , the language which is still present despite the last monolingual Gaeilge speaker long gone, how we actually act generally, etc.
Anyways sorry for the rant, just read or talk to someone actually from Ireland
No apology needed... it had to be said, and nobody better than an Irish person to say it.
Cherokee here bub feel ya. Especially family lore "Cherokee" or DNA website correlate strong with the American Irish you're describing. Gramps was a ginger Cherokee so need to look into the dividing roots lol.
Most of them are as far removed from Ireland as we are from Africa.
@@rasheed12th38 citizenship is a foreign concept to their fantasy.
That's why I try to phrase it as, "yeah, that's where my genes trace back to." Or something like that. Technically, that's true, but my family has been in America since at least the early 1800s so I'm very far removed and I don't feel right equating myself to those in the culture. Would love to learn more about the culture and my roots in general, though. Just don't know where to start.
The definition of whiteness has changed so much over the years. Slavs, Greeks, Iberians, Italians, and Irish were all once considered not white.
Sometimes they still aren’t.
Funny considering caucasian comes from "being from caucasus" and that being from caucasus means being slavs🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@succo_di_re5484 to white nationalists and the like, Italians are not white. We are middle eastern. Sat down with this guy bc I was like you know, probably not ever guna talk to a white nationalist again, so might as well get an understanding. While I gained some, but I am now twice as confused as I was before. Like this dude what half Hispanic and he thought he was this 100% white, and him being Hispanic was a "common myth spread in America". He brought up Italians, to which I said I was, and he said I couldn't be because I didn't have the correct bone structure. The fact my mother my mother literally came on a boat says otherwise, but okay. He said Italians share the same bone structure, and a few other things I don't quite remember, with "what you would probably refer to as someone from the middle east or sand...." I'm sure you get that. And honestly those people are just gross. I don't think it matters if you are white. Like why? Does it? Not one country, religion, culture, or ideology that links "white" people. And I also don't understand why the right wingers "who don't care about race" defend whiteness. Like not to be overly political, but if you're trying to tell me it's not about race, why do you keep talking about it? And it's because they all would rather make us think you hate me and I hate you because you're this and I'm that. Because outrage gives them money. The media and the politicians, they all rather watch you burn it down and see who wins than to not dump gasoline on the fire. Thats why mitch McConnell voted on gun control and the democrats never prevented the overturning of Roe. Abortion and gun control are issues those 2 sides know are hard pressed issues for their constituents, the more they can say they're taking away your rights, the more money and power they have. Any way, fuck anyone who wants to promote separation or anger towards other groups. We are all people.
@@britvica okay well explain that to the racist assholes who treated everyone as such.
by who?. They may have been treated differently but they've always been white.
A lot of anti-Irish sentiment was due to them being Catholic. Religious bigotry is also bad, kids.
Yet I was raised catholic and never heard anything racist. This was in the 60's.
@@1972Ray Religious bigotry. Being excluded or mistreated on account of the fact a person was Catholic was very common in the U.S. because the nation was (and still is) mostly protestant. Read about Bloody Monday, the Philadelphia nativist riots, and the KKK's anti Catholic movement in the 1920s. This is to say bigotry is not just about race.
@@CoyoteCatalystStill doesn’t mean they weren’t black catholics. A lot of melanated people had Catholicism forced onto them. Still before religion still those people existed and they were melanated. Look up the Twa people. The ancient people of Ireland.
the black dude in this video thinks he's Irish
@CoyoteCatalyst still present in north America to this day, i encounter folks accusing us of idolatry, all sorts of evil, of not being christians, saying we are evil or at least our church is evil which for a catholic is highly offensive, etc that is what i see in more conservative parts of Canada. In more liberal parts we are every phobe and ist under the sun, viewed like devils etc.
I imagine in america it must still be strong too.
Had nothing to do with their "whiteness", it was sectarian-based.
For those not in the know, Irish people are majority Catholic Christians. When fleeing Ireland because of their actual oppressors in the form of the UK government and the attempted genocide of the Gaelic Irish, they left for foreign lands. Foreign lands that practised the same Protestantism and secratian beliefs as the English did. The KKK hated Irish folk and Italians, because of their Catholicism. It has nothing to do with race, and the racial argument falls apart when you know the actual history.
Sincerely, an Irish person.
Yes, when Kennedy was running for president in the US in 1960 a key concern in Kennedy's campaign was the widespread skepticism among Protestants about his Roman Catholic religion. Some Protestants, especially Southern Baptists and Lutherans, feared that having a Catholic in the White House would give undue influence to the Pope in the nation's affairs. It wasn't skin color.
Shockingly, someone whose not irish still got their history wrong lmao. Good on ya for putting in your two cence. It's nice to have someone from the people being spoken about actually respond.
@@ladellg267 On top of this, the Draft Riots in New York during the 1800s were due to the American "nativists", who were White American protestants who viewed the Catholic Irish and Italians, as well as Romani people, Chinese, Indians, English and all kinds of migrants as "invaders" to the American lands. While it did have a lot of racial overtones, the fact remained that these people HATED Irish and Italians on the basis that they were Catholic, not due to their racial identity.
Gangs of New York talk about this event.
Exactly right! I fear many Americans cannot comprehend not viewing things through the race prism.
KkK wasn't around when they left during the potato famine
Bros bouta discover that nationality/ethnicity/culture isn’t always “hey we’re the same colour! Let’s be besties!”
Exactly 😂 it annoyed me.
"Have someone read you the book...."
Lol! such a subtle, yet sharp, jab.
A no look knock out.
Icicle assassination
Can't wait to read this book
Help wanted
"have the day you deserve" just brutal
I am Irish. This is a ridiculous argument. Anti-Irish sentiment in the British mainland is historically rooted in prejudices stemming from centuries of bloody and violent relations, intense anti-Catholicism (some Irish Catholics were considered unreliable because a Catholic would invariably be more loyal to a Pope than a King) and colonisation. The Irish were often portrayed as ignorant, untrustworthy and lacking in intelligence. Ireland was to be "civilised" in English eyes via colonisation and plantation and that obviously requires a process of "othering" and demonisation. Protestant Irishman such as the Duke of Wellington, Lord Kitchener and Lord Roberts etc. were hugely respected in England (leading the country for example both politically and militarily) but often had to deny their Irishness and ancestry. But they were by and large trusted because they were not Catholic. To suggest these issues were caused by colour is absolute nonsense.
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Yeah this is silly. It was never about the Irish being "non white" they were always white. Just treated unfairly for a multitude of other reasons.
It’s not suggesting Ireland’s oppression has been because of their skin color. The larger context to this video is about how whiteness is entirely made up, because different European ethnicities like Irish who clearly have white skin, have only been somewhat recently included and thought of as being white, instead of being something different and lesser.
You're literally just explaining racism. "The Irish weren't allowed into British spaces because of the negative stereotypes and stigmas about their people as a whole." Newsflash, that's what racism is!
no, your argument im afraid is incorrect. Dont get sensitive when race gets brought up, have you seen the propoganda of the irish being compared to africans and portrayed as monkeys? I am irish also, it is DEEPLY rooted in racism, why do you think we weren't considered "white" when the coffin ships were sent to the US? the british had used propoganda to portray us as non whites unlikes the british who were considered "pure", there is mountains of evidence of this and all it would take is a quick google search ffs
Love you for bringing it up
Most wouldn't belive me if I said it. So thanks for telling them for us
Not familiar with this lad, but "have the day that you deserve" is one hell of a goodbye. Allows you to decide how to take it. I like it.
I liked it a lot.😊
its exellent
lol. I also liked the: "have someone read you the following book".
It's in the books! Well documented just look at the history of New York at it's different neighborhoods.
I worked with a guy who would usually say it as a "sly" insult. My response was always "I always do, but I would hate to have the day YOU deserve.
I know that this wasn't the point of the video, but "have the day you deserve" has now become my favourite phrase
Yessss Mine as well
Oh yes, I love this
Yeah, it’s so good! I’m really tempted to use it irl sometime
Same
Yupp gonna use this instead of have a nice day
As an irish american that has spent equal halves of his life in ireland and new york currently living in louth, my experience has been that the true irish dont appreciate their heritage being reduced to a fashion accessory that is often associated with the worst stereotypes ex. Alcoholism.
Claiming to be irish and buying into those stereotypes is disingenuous and insulting. Doesnt matter where youre from or who you are itd be like me having asian heritage and walking around with a racist straw hat and squinting my eyes, it’s ridiculous. That’s not to say the irish cant have a laugh and joke about stereotypes but when it becomes the way people perceive the irish generally thats an issue.
@@godlessplaytime4256
Alcohol is part of our culture for the past 3000 years
We also have some of the lowest rates of Alcohol abuse in Europe
So in other words go back to your opium filled tan land 2.0
Your not irish don't tell us anything about this country your a guest nothing worse thana tourist telling us how to be irish.
My mother (a Jamacian immigrant to the UK ) shared a house with a irish woman when she first came to the UK, for the very policy of " no Irish, no Blacks , no dogs policy.
Auntie Leesha was not to be messed with.she would become my Godmother. When i heard overwhelming racist retorts from irish americans i was truly baffled.
Rest in peace Mummy and Auntie Leesha❤
I've also lived in Dublin and I have seen and heard how pissed off actual Irish ppl get when they hear some of the bs Irish Americans spout.
"No Irish, no blacks, no dogs policy," the very same thing that happened in the USA. Depending on the area "no Italian or no Chinese, etc. Etc." Which makes this videos narrative moot. There is no country in existence that did not have racism or slavery. But there are still countries that have and practice slavery in the countries it all originates from. So when Middle Eastern/asian and African countries end slavery. Then we can have an actual talk.
@@zanthosazure3293THANK YOUUUUU
My parents house here in the US still had it's original paperwork and on the contract it says "No Livestock, No (blacks)". This was rural Maryland in the 40's.
@zanthosazure3293 you missed the point of the video. He wasn't denying that others were enslaved or treated as less than others. He was calling out that IN FACT Irish Americans (who some love to other, others) were INDEED othered themselves.
@@zanthosazure3293 You missed the point of the video fool
As a European who took some time to study our history, I learned that it really doesn't matter what your skin color is.
In central Europe, we pretty much look the same, yet there was just as much tension between ethnic groups as there was between racial groups in America.
What I actually find surprising is that we stopped doing a lot of this, only recently.
Ireland was all white and killed each other because of their religion
No it doesnt matter about skin color but to argue that europeans especially northern europeans were not white is idiotic northern europeans were white it pisses me off to say otherwise we dont say africans were white becauase its simply not true everyone trys to black wash european culture. Many blacks migrated and were traded to european countries that happened but to say europeans were not white is idiotic
I actually agree to an extent but what you said isn’t fully true
In Central Europe you might look the same, but doesn’t that then put an emphasis on skin color when someone that doesn’t look like you comes to town? Brown people would stand out wouldn’t they? From what I recall during my short time in Europe Gypsies kind of stood out because they were a little browner than usual. That’s as best as I could put it… African Hookers… I don’t think people necessarily ignored skin color. There is a difference between ethnic discrimination and racial discrimination in that ethnic groups can be of the same race. But I don’t think I can think of an ethnic group that is multi racial. I don’t think we have progressed that far yet, if you’re African American you’re picking a race for example even if you’re mixed. In Europe it seems it matters what color your skin is if immigrants have become part of the labor force… just saying
@@dirtyaznstyle4156 what I meant is that if we don't divide by colour, we divide by something else.
Skin colour is just easier to see.
It's not skin color. It was a calculated decision to exclude those people.
Because they were ugly??
@@MusicismoreImportant Because they weren't British
This whole video is crazy, but I completely understand. Yes, irish were treated badly. I am a dubliner, but this was about class, not race
@@evzevz06 Not British is a plus to the Irish.
@@medb8882exactly 😂their white but we’re lower class and we’re exploexploited
There's a reason for the Irish policeman stereotype and for so many famous Irish Americans in politics. My mother's father was police officer in Masssachusetts and his uncle was a Massachusetts state senator from South Boston for the reasons you said. They had to work within the system that excluded them to change the system.
I was always under the impression that most Americans of Irish descent knew this. I'm an Ulster Scot, and even i knew it.
I’m studying to be a history professor and this is one of the things I find most interesting. Ethnicities that used to be tied to specific nations, (Irish, Italian, Greek, etc) are now all just “White.” I’m not sure where this change occurred, but it’d be interesting to look into.
The change is America. It's why the Chinese sued to be white and win. It was a caste status .. one black ppl could never have
because that declare it. Say it enough. U believe it
Mainly because they wanted to seperate the Black people and other people's of color with them in the 1910's.
Easy look at the non-white white people and the time period that they mass immigrated into this country, they wasn't going to get adopted into the white republic until they understood and participated in the white supremacy systems in this country.
I found it rather baffling to hear from some americans that race and ethnicity are the same thing. Could you explain how that came to be?
Omg..thank you for saying this...when I went where my ancestors came from, I got to see a monument built by the Irish to Native Americans as a thanks for them sending money and food even though they had so little also. It never takes away from a groups struggle to acknowledge the struggle of another group. ❤️
I pass that monument every week. Is this is the one near Midleton?
Yes, the Indian tribe donated food during the famine , even though they so little themselves. It’s a lovely monument. Must look up which tribe it was.
Yeah but Ireland had a lot of Spanish and basque in it , the Basque left the east central Asia area to Spanish and French mountain area then on west ward with a lot in USA Mexico and South America , the reason that those signs were there was jobs , an old aunt told me the Irish got it when they came and the Italian and the polish after the war , coming to take take the jobs , which was true in a way , dagger John tells a story of Irish going on the boat to USA and the women had to sleep sitting up or a man would be on them , if you watch far and away it tells the same story dagger John does that the Irish were drunks , he became a priest to help them change their ways and gain jobs and better themselves , of course not all were like that , but today South Africa is not letting anyone in even other Africans because they don't have the jobs for their own , sign says no foreigners no wht's no blks , we have enough , 😂 ,
During covid there was a donation from Irish people to Native American tribes that gave to us during the famine. It was something like 2.5 million euro. We have never forgotten that kindness.
The kindness love support and solidarity, your people showed mine, is the very reason me and my family are alive.
That kindness that was given, even after the hardships your people suffered over, the trail of tears, will never be forgotten. My children know our history and so will there’s. The food they got, the men gave to the women and children so they would survive. Our family will be forever grateful to your people.
@@smallfeet4581im Celtic not Spanish, not Mexican or black or arab or asian stop the hate you feel for my country, my people. Bad enough that your people tried to exterminate us and it wasn't about jobs its because when you enslaved us you had the firm intention of putting us all in the grave. We have nothing in common you and i you're rich born that way always will be. At least the indigenous peoples of the United States not Mexican's who helped us in our time of need ask yourself why a real Irishman hates you. Ask yourself how different we are. Im not protestant just so you know. Im from the north of Ireland. Strabane.
Your faux intellectual routine isn’t working. Absolutely cringe
Why don't you read the comment by @nem5035. You might understand how much of a faux intellectual you sound like
It just shocks me how little people actually know about their ancestral history..or just history in general 💀
"Have the day that you deserve" is something im going to start using daily
Have the day that you deserve sounds like a curse actually.
Same here
God, it's such a good veiled insult.
Yes, it’s a delicious sign off! The tone of that day reflects the attitude of that person, so it really IS their choice.
😂😂😂
Man, "Have the Day that you deserve" is such a powerful statement.
This would be critical piece in the customer service world. Might change people's perspectives about choices they make that day
I wonder how many people would get offended by that? Is it because, in that moment they realized how horrible they were acting? Or are they too self-critical? Or would they walk off with their heads held high? Under the assumption that the sun shines out of their ass?
A weak gust of wind must feel like the end of days to you
Thank you my cousin told me how they practically erased Irish and Scottish heritage when we came to the americas to escape war
My family came over from Ireland as late as my paternal great grandmother, she escaped a horrid marriage. A great deal of Irish Americans fail to see just how poorly the Irish where truly treated
“Have the day that you deserve” I’m gonna just borrow that one
Yeah we were better slaves 🤣🤣
@@antwanmitchell6267 wtf is that supposed to mean?
@@Chase3141 👆🏾
Yea thats been my favorite new saying
But nobody deserves anything... So...
"Have someone read you this book"! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Dear Sir, you have the ability to throw overt shade so subliminally. I thought I was good at that but YOU'RE THE G.O.A.T!
That was some damn good shade! 😅👍😂👍🤣👍👍👍
@@rauminen4167
Not celebrating,
Educating people to understand that many people who think they are white (and might be prejudiced) will see where they really came from and how hard their Ancestors lives were, it's showing history, and I believe hopefully bringing people together.
@@rauminen4167
You got me wrong, but thanks for trying ✨️
That and "have the day you deserve". So good
@rowdyjr2318
Have no idea what you are talking about, but thanks for playing 😊
You are one of the few people I've ever seen addressing how the people of this island were treated in history. Irish were also used as slaves. My hair is naturally red and curly and my eyes are green. I do tan but apparently I don't have a European head shape, the rest of my family do. I have no clue about my dna. But I resemble my dad so I'm not a Cuckoo in the nest lol!
The Irish were not considered white at first, but damn did they accept it when offered.
They considered themselves whiter than white.
This was a hilarious and needed comment
And this is exactly why Irish Americans who raise their heritage as a defence because they "weren’t considered white" don't get much benefit of the doubt from me: Irish Americans "became" white by actively participating in anti-Black racism, particularly by selling their labour for less in order to get Black workers let go and driven out of work. Irish Americans, historically, have no innocence to plead on this.
The Irish immigrants chose to be American. Do you consider Americans to be white?
@@chifleming6132 Go away troll.
If I remember my history correctly, Irish and blacks lived in the same places, therefore there was a lot of mixed couples happening, it’s why some black people have last names like “McCoy”. It wasn’t the “masters” name, it was legit Irish and black people marrying one another, during one of the worst times for Irish folk,
Some black people also just named themselves whatever sounded pretty to them. Not everyone wanted their old slave masters last name. I wouldn’t rely on last names for heritage with black peoples from the United States when it was either cast away or ripped away from them in so many instances.
@@americanbookdragon Some. Not all.
It’s also further proven by black people with red hair.
@@bogustoast22none25 but the red hair isn’t an “Irish” trait. The red hair came with the Vikings, Danes or whatever you would like to call them who actually took over most of Irelands port cities starting in the late 700s and on. They actually did a study that showed the areas of Ireland that the Vikings settled in had higher number of red haired men and their DNA showed they had Norwegian in them! Scotland and England have as well. And fun fact the only other place that has a comparable percentage of red heads is Scandinavia! Also another fun fact is they believe red hair came about because the lack of vitamin d!
@@bogustoast22none25
Red hair is found in a lot of phenotypes, it’s just the most common in the Irish and Scotts.
@@americanbookdragon yep, my grandfather is a first generation born free man. He is an irish descending black man. His father was from ireland, his mother was a freed slave. My mother was born with red hair and freckles and brown skin. She's truly beautiful and I love her very much, at least good can come from the bad.
I have spent some time reading old newspapers from New York from the 1850s - 1880s for a research project. In the "Help Wanted" sections, wealthy people would place ads looking for cooks or servants, and they would frequently specify that they were looking for a "reliable Protestant girl". This was the "genteel" way to discriminate against Irish immigrants, because the vast majority of Irish immigrants to America were Catholic.
Reliable protestant girl ,, ?
So not because they were considered reliable but because they didn't want a catholic girl.
Thsts sad people discriminating because of their religion.
Protestant or catholic, both are Christian and supposed to love one another...
Especially when ya think about it like ,
500 or so years ago , before protestantism came along
EVERY Christian was a catholic ..
2000 years of christianity, for 1500 of them everyone was catholic.
In those last 500 years since Protestantism started, its separated into many different forms of what a protestant is .
...religion is so hypocritical..
I'm English born but half Irish ( ma) i had many school holidays with family in Ireland , during the 60s 70s , when people were shooting or blowing each other up because protestant hated catholic and catholic hated protestants...
Poxy religion...
😂😂😂😂irish people are white...simple...Anglo british tension is mainly a religious thing certainly nothing to do with race..and is a dog a race? The irish know all about oppression.. the irish are proud fighting people so they tend not to sit around waiting for handouts and demanding they get reparations for a very select period of history..
@@kevwhufc8640well, no, Catholics didn’t hate Protestants and you had no problems in the Republic (besides de IRA who was already prosecuted by the Garda), it was the other way around, no Catholic Irish was able to go to NI and have no troubles, so much that people used to leave cars parked before the border fearing their cars getting torched.
@@gosonegr how old are you ? What do you even know about Ireland , real life I mean, & not some nonsense propaganda you've read .
Do you really think they were all best buddies ?
That the Irish catholic loved the orange parades & all joined in the fun with the protestants !!
Just from what you've said you obviously don't know anything about it.
What do you mean Catholics couldn't go to northern Ireland ?
You've obviously never been, otherwise you would have seen the curb stones painted in the Republican colours and the sides/ ends of houses with huge images of IRA soldiers with a machine gun and slogans, it was the same in the loyalist area curbs painted , houses with images and slogans,
People outside Ireland think those terror groups are gone, disappeared since the GFPA, but they haven't, they might not be as high profile, not bombing or killing, kidnapping, but they both run protection rackets, control drugs, and other criminal activities.
@@kevwhufc8640 I live in Ireland, not far from where the long fella was born in fact, and, yes, for around two centuries there were no problem and there were protestants fighting in the republican side during the independence war, Sam Maguire was the one who recruited Michael Collins, Same with Casement who had family in Mallow.
Anyway, there were, and are, tons of Protestant church in the republic.
Look, even the protestants lose family during the famines, were recruiting by the dozen to fight in British wars and had really rough times under British mandate, it wasn't just a catholic thing, even tho it was specially hard on them, the protestants suffered their shit
So, as a half Irish and English born, and I assume you took your education in the UK , you better don't talk shit when they called open fire on civilians "the troubles" and the great famine as some sort of accident
Speaking as Gael-Mheiricéanach myself - it is very true that Irish were not always considered white and is a fact we Irish should be very aware of.
However, it is also important to know that the reason so many Irish-Americans are ignorant and disconnected from their heritage is because of that history of ethnic discrimination.
Most Irish-Americans are raised to think of ourselves as Irish in a "hush hush" way, but not told much of anything about our own culture because we were traditionally pressured into hiding it. The end result is a deeply felt but also repressed affair that doesn't lean itself into learning this sort of thing.
Thank you!! The rage that comes over me when some yank claims to have experienced what it is to be Irish is just dangerous at this point… 😅
They’re like weird pick-me’s for a country they’ve only see on TV. Please…sit down with your 2% 😒
One thing we can say the improved diet and sunshine has improved Irish people looks. Thank goodness for that.funniest looking people I ever saw was in Ireland. Yet many of my American Irish friends and family are very attractive
"Have someone read you the following book"
Sheesh. That one's gonna sting.
Mhm
That's my favorite part
I mean it does depend on the author their are some bad authors out there ya know
I've known way too many people who take pride in never reading a book for that to land as an insult for those kind of people
@@AryanAkane sorry. What?
“Have the day you deserve” I’m gonna start using that lol
This has a very "Do you wish me a good morning or is it a good morning whether I like it or not" feeling.
Maybe it has nothing to do with being white in the marriage of your character is what people are actually judging
@@Ave_Satana666 MLK's famous words still hold true. And yet they're still a dream.
Right
It doesn’t violate any community guidelines on any platform yet it absolutely implies some rude ass shit lol and as it should 💯💯💯 I’ve been saying this for a while now it makes people stop and think “wait a minute… what do they mean by that have the day that I deserve they obviously don’t mean to have a good day or they would’ve said that” it sends ass holes down a rabbit hole that they can’t climb out of 💁🏼♀️😂💯🫶🏼
thanks for this one, I'm Irish and Chinese-Jamaican from Canada... people really arent knowing about this stuff...
I heard they only really gave us relative rights to stop us rising up together with the Black workers and others, pre or post-abolition I dont remember...
They still call us lazy drunks, but apparently its all just fun... same with our resistance against 800 years of persecution and occupation at the turn of the century...
they called us terrorists, they still do if you listen closely, but you gotta know the history to understand...
this is why we stand with Gaza, real authentically proud Irish people stand with you, and all historically and currently oppressed and persecuted peoples around the world...
Peace!!!!!
🇨🇦🇮🇪🇯🇲
The sign stating "no Irish, no blacks, no dogs" does not necessarily prove discrimination based on skin color. If the intention was solely to exclude individuals because of their blackness, there would be no need to specifically mention no blacks on the sign. The fact that it is listed separately suggests that there may be other factors at play. For example, the Nazis displayed signs proclaiming "no Jews," indicating a potential cultural conflict rather than purely racial discrimination.
its because the Irish arent Anglo Saxon.
lmao, nice troll. had me boiling for a second.
My Grandfather came to America...and Breyers Ice Cream...discriminated against him because he was an Irish Catholic. It was a Jewish Company.This...back in the day.
Yup. It was a reach. The idea is prejudice against catholics, perceived traits and absolutely nowt to do with being white or otherwise. Ridiculous notion. No British person ever thought the Irish were bloody black. The book is actually a notion that Irish immigrants (to America) moved to be more accepted, by taking up American whites prejudice against black people. So....WTF is he talking about.
smh
Thank you so much brother ❤ I'm Irish, I'm a dub (from Dublin 💪) and we were persecuted for years under British rule. It was illegal for us to speak our language, own land, practice our religion, keep our Gaelic names or work for ourselves under colonisation. We were considered slaves and our country was under British rule for 800 years until we fought back and used guerilla warfare to claim our land back. This was an oppressed country, kept under rule and literally living in third world conditions until we fought back. Northern Ireland was considered a war zone up until the mid 90's. We were treated like shit, had our land taken off us, petty criminals were shipped off to Australia to be sent to jail.......sent across the world, in one case for stealing potatoes cos the child was facing starvation. We know slavery, we know colonisation, we know discrimination and we fucking fought tooth and nail to be able to call ourselves Irish 🇮🇪❤🇮🇪❤🇮🇪❤🇮🇪
I do have Irish heritage but there is no way in hell I’m claiming the culture or anything. Y’all spelling is way to stupid. The rest of it is very cool (especially the history) but that spelling. Mmmm yah nah thanks.
Edit: made the AA meeting mad lol.
Testing
Sending love ♥️♥️
@@canoewithmeat *TOO stupid not to stupid
And you’re complaining about other people’s spelling??😂
When you say "90s" I hope you dont mean 1990s, but i hope you mean 1890s.
Please mean 1890s. Please.
Damn, "have the day that you deserve" is an amazing line
It's either the nicest or the coldest thing that can be said to you, and that can only be determined by the person it's being told to, astonishing. I'm stealing it.
I use it all the time to people
Being Irish born and raised and living in the U.K. 22 years, I totally agree - such people seriously need to cop themselves on 🇮🇪☘️🇮🇪❤️
😅😅😅 he said, "Have someone read you these books!" Savage!😅😅
It’s mostly had to do with in the USA, we recognize “race” as in whether or not you have melanin, and sometimes where geographically where you were born. Other countries for centuries didn’t always see it that way. It was more about cultural, religion, geographical, and many other determinations. Wasn’t always just by the color of one’s skin.
It’s still not just about skin color. Some people want to make it simply about skin color for their own purposes. “Whiteness” itself is a social construct and moreso refers to a set of cultural values and belief systems rather than simply skin color. It’s always more complex than skin color alone. And this didn’t start in the US.
My husband is white and I'm black, don't want kids but I do wander what they would consider themselves. In my experience people don't generally consider themselves mixed,probably because it's so vague. Mixed with what? White and black, Hispanic and Asian, Hawaiian and Jamaican???
@@demonheart13 it not only depends on the individual, but it depends on who you are talking to as well. Mixed race to a lot of black people mean mixed with black and white. I'm mixed race. My father is primarily Scottish and my mother is from the Kingdom of Tonga. She's very much of a darker skin color. But many black people do not consider me a person of color even though white people do not consider me white. It's very tough being "brown" these days.
@@melemetcalf1681 "these days" lmao it's been difficult since the first biracial person was born.
@@demonheart13 I've never met a mixed (white/black) person that's referred to themselves as white. It's always have been either black or (less frequently) milado. Even when black is mixed with Asian, the preferred identification is usually black.
as an Irishman (Gaeilge is my first language) I endorse this message 100%. Its all true. We were colonised. And treated as a sub race. Ironically it probably made us nicer than all those entitled whites.....haha
Sure wasn't nice to black folks when they got to America.
Haha indeed 😂
@@abrahamlincoln9758 yeah as mass murderers and heretics go......
@@abrahamlincoln9758 get some help troll.
Um...no. yall threw black folks under the bus with the quickest to assimilate into whiteness. Boston is one of the most racist and violent cities toward Black folks...guess who lives there?
"Yank" is short for Yankee, which is a shortening of Swamp Yankee meaning English or English descent in the northeast US/ New England.
My first Irish ancestor in America was exiled by Cromwell into slavery in Barbados. Within a short period of time, the British outlawed slavery but left the humans they had kidnapped and exiled without any way to return home. My ancestor was able to be placed into indentured servitude with a merchant from Massachusetts, hence he was the first Irish Catholic in Massachusetts.
Kidnapped? Are you sure he wasn't a prisoner?
@@RonSill1986 Prisoner / kidnapped kind of the same thing as the laws then were harsh, steal a loaf of bread = 7 yrs hard labor. Who knows what his "crime' was, fighting for his homeland? thats not a crime, after losing should be allowed to go back to his family.
But being sold into slavery isn't that kidnapping? I think it is.
@lee02jepson nope. Prisoners aren't kidnapped. Were the English Prisoners kidnapped too?
@@lee02jepson the Irish enslaved Britons for centuries before they were colonised. St Patrick himself was a slave taken by Irish raiders. One could call it karma.
@@RonSill1986 is it even possible that that morally balances Cromwell’s cruelty along with the other cruelties that 800 years of colonization brought on Irish people ☘️💚🇮🇪
"have the day that you deserve"
I'm going to use that a lot!!! Love it
for real because just imagine someone who knows they're being an asshole and you tell them that they'll flip out.
And they should. But also think of the people who are kind and considerate, but get walked on by others every day....it makes US smile and feel better!!!
Something I just recently learned, in addition to African-Americans many sundown towns included Irish individuals amongst the ones that should not be found inside towns after sundown.
Yes. True.
As recent as the 80s, too. My old man was driven out of Zephyrhills.
They're still around
The Irish and Scottish were some of the cruelest overseers of the enslaved in the U.S. and the Caribbean. It's not all or nothing. The U.S had more of a CASTE system but the Irish were able to navigate it to their White skinned advantage every generation, *though in different permutations.* Later generations were not as welcome as earlier. Remember, the concept if WHITENESS was new as well. SO MANY PLANTERS were of Irish decent and were the wealthiest families in the U.S. pre-Industrialization. The story is not as simple as many would like to make it.
@@hippyjoe Zephyrhills Florida
No Irish had to do with Irish Catholicism vs British Protestantism. Nothing to do with skin colour. In Ireland we’re not taught to see race in everything as a scapegoat or excuse. It has to do with religious persecution and land ownership. Educate yourself
What he's saying isn't wrong, though. American racism is so weird that the fairest skinned people ever , the Irish, were not considered white at one point. In America.
false. you need to study more. had nothing to do with religion. you can look at the charts comparing irish people to black people, and black people to chimpanzees. the cartoons showing irish as sub-human apes, just like black people. you're erroneously viewing history through the myopic lens of more recent english imperialism in ireland. the american history of race is much different to what you know, and that's the subject of the video. and now you're closer to understanding that whiteness, like all race, is a construct. he never said skin color. he said whiteness.
“ have someone read you the following book” is mad disrespectful. He called you illiterate.
Yep, and that book is also written by an anti white socialist/ marxist.
"have someone read to you" was the most savage, yet subtle dig I've heard all week.
See, and I heard it as a childish quip.
Ya it's pretty typical for liberals that struggle to explain their insane beliefs. Like this guy's inability to comprehend the difference between Irish prejudice and being white...
People in the US these days try so hard to be "unique" or "different" by acting like they're from a different culture when they are mainly american and don't know the history of the culture they try imitating. Like Mexican Americans, African Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans etc.
@@haveyouflossedtodaydid you feel called out? Lol
Yeah a real savage dig from a guy who himself clearly isn't that smart because he's completely, totally wrong on the Irish not being considered white.
Yes! The history of the Irish is not a pretty one.
Luck of the irish :(
We were stuck on an island next to the world worst colonisers.we were so thouroughly erased and colonised that we struggle to seperate our culture's except for a few hold overs such as a modernised interpretation of our music and dance. But everything else is lost. The food the clothes the socioeconomic culture, the true language, all gone
@@Ova-bv4os may Erin forever go Bragh at Britain's expense
Slavery, funny considering that apparently white men invented slavery to oppress blacks in America & hold them down & continue to do so to this day according to blacks.
After suffering so much, are the irish racist? I've heard that racism is prevalent in Ireland.
Lol I like what you did there. Leave it to us newish whites to explain it to other newish whites how this all works. Many confused as you can see. Some really have forgotten where they've come from. Props for bringing to our attention. You've done more than enough. Thanks for this video :)
I’m Irish and have travelled
At what point does white stop being white. Seems that today because of BLM and the likes (that attacked blacks n whites alike) anything even suntanned is black for fear of being called a racist or a white supremacist.
I played in an Irish folk group on tour in Germany. We played at big venue full of American military. We played everything we could to get their attention. We weren’t getting the attention until our accordion player/singer sang an un accompanied solo song “ The shores of my native land “. It was about forced emigration from Ireland 🇮🇪. The silence that came on the place was awesome and the applause and cheers was huge. Trays of schnapps Guinness and gratitude followed. It was amazing the reaction. Some never set foot in Ireland but still could relate to what Irish immigrants to USA 🇺🇸 had gone through. ☘️🇮🇪🇺🇸🇮🇪🇺🇸🇮🇪🇺🇸🇮🇪☘️
"Now have the day that you deserve". Damn, that's a great way to finish talking with literally anyone
As a full blood irish an I can say much of the frustration comes Americans of irish ancestry claiming our nationality and culture yet perpetuating negitave stereotypes without understanding why they exist, I love my American Irish folk but your culture is not the same
We basically commercialized our own culture to eke out a living under people who hated us, just like the Italians
Except italian-american cuisine is actually good
Look up Appalachian culture. It's where my Irish American family is from and from what I can tell a lot of the culture naturally passed on generations and simply was Americanized. It was also fairly isolated which makes it a pretty interesting case. I didn't really realize this till my Papaw and I sat down for a family report when I was much older. Interesting stuff.
@@nightamiamy there northern Irish
@@MiloManning05 That would be a nope. We can trace our line through DNA and documentation back to when we left. Apparently our family all came from Cork, so further South.
@@nightamiamy swear
"No Irish need apply" and "No Irish wanted" was printed on most if not all job adverts in newspapers in Perth, Western Australia in 2009!
Some Australians in Perth were cool but Ive never felt so alienated in my life living there
Reading 19th century British literature really gives you an idea of what these ppl thought of Irish/Easter European/southern European people. Usually via some kind of scandal where an English lady would marry an Italian or something and her family would call him an ethnic slur and cut her off. And they really did believe that different ethnicities had different kinds of blood or 'temperments'.
The Brits were smoking on that opium way before they got the Chinese addicted apparently
"have the day that you deserve."
its only shade if you sittin under the tree LAAAWWD
Now, that’s a good one 😂
😂
"Have someone to read you the book" has gotta be the best insult ever.
Thought I was the only one who caught that.
“Have the day that you deserve.” Instead of “Have a nice day.”
It would be if the guy was right 🤣🤣 he is a tipe of guy who would say cleopatra or jesus where as black as him
@@milosevicmihajlo499 I don't think the quality of the insult has anything to do with the correctness or incorrectness of his statements. Also, it's not wrong about the Irish.
@@289rory you and this guy are mixing racism toward ethnicity and race
this is true, one of my close childhood friends was irish and his mother had a “no irish need apply” sign (can’t recall if it was her who had taken it down or her mother)
“Have someone read you the following book” Oh the SHADE!!! SAVAGE!!!💀💀💀
It’s shocking to see “Irish Americans” experienced racism turn around and be racist to others-mainly Black folk. 🙄 Ooh Lawd-
Yeah but many years ago the Irish knew when the blks got their freedom they would be at the bottom for jobs , there were troubles because of that , I've heard ones call Irish drunks when they were the ones who took jobs in police , you notice USA ended up with the criminals and ones fleeing police in Europe etc , it was the wild west , then there emerged the mafias , if there wasn't a USA all those in USA would either have been jailed or killed or elsewhere , the Basque and Armenians all went to USA ,some staying in the Alps they moved to and wanted to remain autonomous , that's why France had terrorist bombs going off by the Basque separatists and red brigade if I remember right , they went to France from central Asia area and some to Ireland and the Americas , Armenians fled genocide by the ottoman Turks and Hitler forcing them to become muslim , ones went to USA to flee Russia from Nordic countries , in saying that Hitler was also doing away with Armenians ,gypsies , etc , so was the ottoman Turks , Tito of Yugoslavia was in with Hitler , Hitler was also wanted rid of the poles , sadly USA is just an extension of the troubles in Europe and the east , but the Irish were not blk , they had Spanish and other but those had gone to Ireland , they were not indigenous , there was also the slave trade there where wht Scottish stolen and sold by the Dublin vikings who sold others they captured from around the world , I have photos of Irish from 1800s and they don't look anything but wht , if anyone has different photos I'd be happy to see them however that does not excuse their behaviour in USA
I’m saying.
What like that champion of racial justice JFKJr? Or the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame that literally fist fought with the KKK? You obviously never lived with the Irish of USA.
They never turned around and became racist there have always been tensions between minorities. Similar to how latinos and black people hate eachother now. Just because both struggle against a common group doesn't they'll be friends.
Just Americans. No Irish no Italians just Americans with no culture of their own
As an American Irish person who's family is in America because of that oppression and suffered more of it once they arrived and has taken the time to educate myself on my heritage, thank you so much for this! Too often do I try to have a conversation about this topic with people and I get shut down because I'm white. It's frustrating so I'm very thankful for creators like you bringing more light to this!! Makes my heart happy!
I get it! I don’t want to be a victim or reparations or anything like that; but it’s a crime to even make a joke “oh irish aren’t really even human” as to refer to how we used to be treated because there’s a conspiracy to hide that fact. Not only is it not taught in schools anywhere; but people get angry or mock you and treat you as stupid for stating historical facts. It really doesn’t make sense to me at all. I don’t even want empathy for it or to talk about how I’m oppressed; just the ability to comment on it myself without being verbally brutalized.
@@bean6047 the Irish were were racist as hell towards blacks , and engaged in anti black riots, anti black violence as well as oppressing blacks.
Yes, it's so disheartening to be shut down because I'm very white passing, but do not identify as white. I've been bashed multiple times for it and told it doesn't matter what my ancestry is because pale-blonde-blue-eyed today = White. My heritage is, as far as we have any record, Irish and Cherokee. Yet, if I don't identify as white and white alone, people seem to get all up in arms.
I can acknowledge that I have privileges that many do not by passing as white today while not ignoring the hardships my ancestors endured and the generational poverty we were subjected to from not being considered white (My predominantly Irish county is still the third poorest county out of 3,143 in the US today.)
Some people interpret me not claiming whiteness as me claiming to be equally disadvantaged as Black and Brown people in the US today, but that's not what it's about at all. It's about honouring the truth and experiences of my ancestors while expressing solidarity with other marginalized groups and acknowledging that race has and always will be a social construct.
To claim whiteness today feels like spitting in the face of my ancestors, especially the Native American side whose melanin I happened not to inherit. I've even been told it's cultural appropriation for me to grow my hair and braid it for cultural and spiritual reasons when both my Mawmaws, my Great Grandma, dad and Pawpaw, all having done the same, all because I inherited specifically the colouration of it from my non-white Irish family. It's really sad to see my acknowledgment, appreciation, and hand reached out in solidarity twisted into a divisive, wannabe victim, not-like-the-other-whites narrative. I will not take on the "race" of my ancestors' oppressors that they used to divide and dehumanise us, and I don't have to in order to fully acknowledge that my appearance alone does come with great privileges in this country today.
@@TheAwesomes2104 but you where born in America and raised there your American you may have Irish ancestry but YOU haven't faced the hardships of being Irish you have not been persecuted like the northern Irish have that's the difference
@@TheAwesomes2104 what about tailor trash white folk with abusive mom and absent dad, lol. Those people have more privelage than you because their ansestors had to work night and day on farms just to keep from starving to death?
I wish people would ACTUALLY learn our history and how we were the most oppressed nation for hundreds of years yet we have to defend our culture and ethnicity around every corner
I actually think its time that we are recognised as a unique ethnic group because our culture and identity are literally being wiped out forever
Sir you 100% just readin rainbowed rascism and its amazing. Please start a series of videos and be the Lavar Burton of books to education yourself. I love it!
My favorite thing to disprove the concept of “whiteness” as scientific fact or “white culture” is that Ben Franklin thought Germans were “too swarthy” to be considered white.
Wait what, yeah I'm German and can't for the life of me, wrap my head around that. I have questions..
@@neeadevil4840
He also thought the same about the Swedes. In his eyes it was probably pink-skinned englishmen=white. It also exemplifies that even exceptionally smart and competent people can have really silly ideas.
@@vendetta314dagoddess hard to put into words really, but it seems to be decided randomly who is considered white or not.
Why just why? Oh and when you are not considered white but definitely not black what are you then? Chopped liver?
@@Exgrmbl I see some similarities to the rather stupid idea of the Arian race.
@@vendetta314dagoddess no, whiteness was very much a thing in the united states throughout most of it's life, and became much more of a systemic product in the late 1800's onward
"Have the day you deserve" is universal. It's like a bless you/fuck you,depending on the person you're dealing with. I'm gonna use it more often.
its also funny af ngl lol
Reminds me of "bless your heart." Sounds nice, but in the most condescending way possible
What I like about Phil Lynott and Kevin Sharkey is that they never played the cultural marxist victim card. Two great guys!
Irish were considered Irish. Discrimination is Discrimination, not sure exactly what's trying to be said here
@@mathewhex7045 depends when
This is famine immigration there was not irish term we were under british occupation and called British if you were called irish you were usually a rebel to the crown and wanted
Irish were not considered white by English
British "historians" made up bs about irish migration from the middle east as a way to prove that we can't run our country or have home rule within the UK since in this time it was believed non whites had were savages
I have no problem with Irish Americans.
In fact, As a native Irish person I'm proud of Irish America.
Same here
I'm so glad that not all of you invalidate us
@@SowerVallerwhat’s the problem with Irish Americans
Do you know anything about Newfoundland in Canada? The people here don't claim to be Irish, they are Irish. A lot of Irish settled here 300 years ago, lived in isolation on the island for centuries, and only joined Canada in 1945. Most people have Irish accents and dialect, and our culture, music, food, and bloodline are very Irish. People from here don't often visit Ireland, but if they did, you would think they were from there when you heard them speak.
@@Jane-yg3vz Most newfoundlanders are english descent, a large minority are irish tho. As usual irish take claim for anglo people.
"have someone read you the following book" so savage. What a masterclass on throwing shade.
Audio books because you're doing other things. Like making money.
@@ADogNamedStay ??what is even a point of this comment?
@@ADogNamedStay I can GUARANTEE that is NOT what, “have someone read you the following book” was meant to imply. To spell it out, politely telling the commenter (that “knew” that Irish were always considered white (to the point of laughing at “RedMenace80”) strictly because they are “of the fairest skinned gene pool) to “have someone read you the following book” is meant to imply 1 of 2 things about the commenter. They are either: 1. not old enough to read and therefore are in need of someone else to read and explain the book to this young Irish American. - OR - 2. That the Irish-American is obviously not capable of reading and/or understanding an adult level, non-fiction book such as “How the Irish Became White.” so they should ask someone capable of such reading and understanding to Read the book TO THEM.
Mature people can often have polite sounding conversations that, when listened to closely, are NOT actually polite.
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Savage? That’s so racist.
This is very true. I've married into an Irish American family that came to the U.S. in the early 1900's and had to deal with this. But his family was also called black Irish which of course made them even less than the average Irish.
I’m Irish and we’ve always been considered white. The anti Irish sentiment which came from the English which was based around religion and not being Protestant. Nothing to do with skin at all.
Exactly 💯 I guess people just want to push for division and feel different/ special in todays age..
My Jamaican gran is 73 and moved to London in the early 60s. She remembers seeing those signs.
There has always been an alignment between the Caribbean and Ireland, especially Montserrat❤
I have Irish and Italian ancestry, and I've always felt it unnecessary to say anything about any discrimination my ancestors went through. Because you're right. There's no point having that conversation with people who refuse to be educated about it. I love your videos and the context they give. ❤️
Ouch. Not what people want too hear.
I'm Irish and Italian too! Although my skin tone absolutely leans toward the Irish side I don't tan I only burn and I burn within 10 minutes of being out in the sun
"Never argue with an idiot, people might not be able to tell the difference"
Same here, if people knew history they would hate the left wing party
Just a subtle point here . The Irish are and have always been WHITE. The only discerning quality was ACCENT.!!!
Once an Irish person lost his accent or his defendants no longer aquire that Irish accent there was no way to differentiate so you all cut the crap.
People have always and will always find reasons to discriminate against each other but to try and deminish the plight of blacks and the slavery experience by saying oh we had the same issues is total fuckery and you know it.
A black person will be black no matter his accent . Once an Irish or an Italian loses that accent he's just another whitebperson. Italians my be a bit darker but still white and nobody questions that unless you make an issue vof it yourself
They were called black because of the dark hair and dark eyes that mixed into the celtic gene pool from northern france and spain , Iberian Celtics.
I agree with you, we know that people were imported and exported to and from Ireland around 400AD where St Patrick was kidnapped from England and brought to Ireland. So yes, I do believe there were multiple skin tones in Ireland throughout the years.
But, as the sign represents, and this isn’t a fact that this is what the sign meant; but there was a large civil war in Ireland which split Ireland in half. One group of people wanted to be separated from England and the others wanted to be united with England which is why we have Northern Ireland and then just Ireland. But one of the parties known as the “Blacks and Tans” were a group of “police force” sent by England to fight the Irish into submission. So to me, the sign was not being racist or segregating, but was talking about this police military group.
I am a proud Irish American and yet I don’t try to push it into peoples faces but I also try to respect my heritage and have fun while doing so. I love learning and studying about Ireland and their traditions there, and hopefully some day I can go there and see in person all these things I have learned about.
"Now have the day you deserve." Is my new favorite ☺️🙌🏿
I know, I love it, love it!!
"Have the day that you deserve " ... this going to be said by me on a routine basis from now on
I say it as a polite FU to rude folk..
I wish nice folk a lovely day or evening.
I think it’s really important that we talk about this. I feel everyone wants to put People are different from them in a little box and say hey this is what you are. Whether your skin is black or white, you still have a history and I can’t just be summed up to a color.
Thank u brother big shout out from galway in ireland
"Have someone read you the book-"
OOF, need some ointment for that burn?
I have people read to me all the time, in audible. Mostly because I'm too busy doing other things, like making money.
@@ADogNamedStay why are you so pressed by that statement that you have to reply under so many comments?
@@ADogNamedStay uh huh. That's not what he means with that comment. But go off I guess.
Do you actually believe this dude read this book? He didn’t.
He just googled it so he could sound smart.
@@persephonel2117 He hasn't actually. I'm British and have seen exhibits about this in museums. Irish were treated as lesser blood due to their ancestry. Anglo-Saxons looked down on those of Celtic blood, which Irish and Scots were/are.
As an Irish person who makes his living doing walking tours for American tourists, I'm pleasantly surprised to hear you say EXACTLY what I've often desperately wanted to scream at some of my groups. The suffering inflicted on your ancestors is no excuse to perpetuate that which other people are still suffering, especially if you personally are so far removed from that suffering that you can afford a transatlantic flight, a four star hotel and a private tour guide. Cheers for this, Sunn.
My parents moved here to the United states about a month before I was born. Sláinte from Kentucky 🇮🇪🇺🇸
@@JakeMckay1738your American to them. America Go Bragh 🇺🇲
@@johngillespie3409 that’s colonised Irish lol. Go bréa would be the Gaeilge way to spell it
Just a small correction, not trying to be rude!
Exaclty, I wish you cloud be my tour person, when I will visit Ireland.
I’m 3rd generation Irish American with family still in Ireland. Several of them have visited us. I have always wished to visit them, and the family farm we still have from the 1300s… but haven’t been able to afford it. Moving to America lost my family so much and caused deep scars that we still carry. I don’t fault my grandparents for their decision. And I’m happy I have my husband and children. But I’m not free in America. None of my family acts free. Everyone acts chained and scarred - but still happy and moving forward because that’s the Irish spirit… My Irish relatives on the other hand, they act free and untethered. They have the history of standing and fighting and winning against the Black and Tans and every other incursion - where my side has the shame of running and coming to the country of false promises and battling overt anti-Irish racism…
True. Also Irish children were sent to Jamaica as indentured servants.
While I am unequivocally American, my ethnic ancestry is indeed 100% Irish.
I was raised to be aware of Irish history, especially with respect to the events which led to my antecedents' arrival on these shores.
The first Irishman of my name arrived on these shores under a contract of indenture, which is a gentle euphemism for slavery.
He arrived to learn that the contract holder had been captured, tried, and hanged for aiding Confederate forces in union-held territory. He was informed that his contract was void, and thus had two options. He could return to Ireland, his contractual obligation fulfilled, or he could remain on American soil in civilian service to the Union army. Given the price on his head at home (he'd participated in a rent strike), he chose the latter.
He spent the remainder of the war as a cooper, wagon teamster, farrier, and leather tanner. In 1872, he responded to the call of General John O'Neill, and took advantage of homesteading rights in Northeast Nebraska.
For those unaware, O'Neill was a lawyer, land speculator, and army officer. He was also a member of the Fenian Brotherhood, and led/participated in several Fenian raids into Canada. The aim was to harass and hold hostage British Canada in order to ransom Home Rule in Ireland.
I actually have a couple of period handbills which were designed to dehumanize both Irish immigrants and freed former slaves. Both are depicted with ape-like features and contained warnings of the dangers they posed to respectable American society.
I am prepared for any discussion any Irishman may wish to have on the subject. I am always eager to learn new things, and perhaps share some things about the Irish immigrant diaspora which present day citizens of Ireland may not know.
As an Irish American this bothers me too. I wrote my dissertation on how there was cross pollination between black civil rights leaders and Irish Republican leaders. Thank you for making this video! Fun thing, I’m learning Irish right now and during the George Floyd protests a bunch of Irish American cops inadvertently wore shirts saying Black Lives Matter because they thought it was blue lives matter in Irish. But it read blue men lives matter which is Irish for black people because in Irish black was considered a shade of blue. My friend speaks Irish fluently and confirmed this to me when I asked him.
Your friend doesn’t speak Irish. And the language has not called Irish. It’s called Gaelic.
The Irish for black is ‘dubh’ and the devil is called ‘fear dubh’ which means ‘black man’. Obviously they’re weren’t going to call actual black men the same term as we use for devil so it’s became ‘fear gorm’ which is ‘blue man’.
@@norathibodeau1691 It’s called Irish.
Ahhhh Fear Gorm
@@norathibodeau1691 no sweetie, they are two different languages lmfaooo
Honestly, these subjects still make me so proud of my Irish Nanny (Grandma). She and her Indian neighbour (another lady) set up a spice business in England in the 60s. Two immigrant women raising families (and in Nanny's case, a large one) alongside running their business. Fantastic. Unfortunately both have now passed away, but I'll always be proud.
Both historically genocided by the Brits. Irish famine and bengal famine. Heck Brits did such a number on Indians that their bodies are genetically in starvation mode.
Lovely story of two immigrants
a lot of what modern woke kids and race-baiters miss from understanding historical contexts is a lot of wars and anti-colonial revolutions weren't a color or race thing but had religious vs secular, theocracy vs kingdom undertones to them.
Nuance is not in their playbook. Only literal black and white thinking.
The black dude in this video thinks hes Irish
You're all idiots
My nana and grandad had to leave Ireland and go to the UK because there was no jobs for them in Ireland. Unfortunately they did suffer racism and were stigmatised in the UK. My mum told me about the awful signs she saw growing up. Being born to Irish parents in 1950s in the UK, my mum and aunty suffered racist remarks at school, they were often left out and called names.
Thank you for highlighting this ❤ ❤ ❤
I have a t-shirt that says
“More Irish
More Blacks
More Dogs”
I LOVE the reactions I get from it, both from those that get it and those that don’t!
@@rodericblack4657 why should I? I’m wearing an anti-racist shirt!
Do you not know the history of the racist signs in stores saying:
“No Irish
No Blacks
No Dogs”
????!!!!!
So you’re cheering that racism?
Seems like you’re the one that should be embarrassed!!
Táimid amach anseo!
@@rodericblack4657why
@@rodericblack4657woah why was the like button like really big for a second after i posted it
it happened again
tf
It also happened with the Italians. I believe it’s called “Racism”.
My family has so many stories about this
Probably one of the best comments I've ever heard. I am Irish, was born in the West of Ireland, travelled around the world but when my skin hits the sun, it goes black. Go figure.
My red headed grandmother was born in 1904 in Mankato Minn. Her mother used tar soap daily on her hair to make it look brown. 😢 In the 1920’s she chopped it all off in anger. I was given her 3 foot long braid of hair to remember her by.
Why she wanted them to be brown instead of red
Proud of my heritage. People don’t talk about the mistreatment of the Irish , and most laugh it off because they only see skin deep. Mom and my grandparents came here just like anyone else, and had to work hard to get what they have.
Be proud of your people, skin colour means nothing.
Skin colour means nothing? So black lives don't matter?
Tell that to the white ppl here In America
@@Zeke214_ discourse is non existent here.
The Irish side of my family migrated to England, the USA, but many remain in Ireland.
The Irish were treated worse than many countries, our land taken, people forced to leave , Cromwell and others tried stopping Catholicism, replacing Irish with English protestants.
,,leading to uprisings which resulted in more punishment such as being transported to Australia,
Propaganda against catholic Irish from ruling classes made out we were subhuman, using derogatory terms such as black Irish
Which has nothing to do with skin colour, it originates from the fuel most people used , peat , cut from dirty black smelly peat bogs , hence the term "black as bog" ...
Hardly anyone talks about how terribly the Irish were treated.
But everyone who's black goes on about slavery even tho it ended long before the Irish finally got some form of peace just q few years ago.
Leading to pro catholic Irish such as the IRB , then later the IRA
And fighting protestant loyalists such as the UDF UVF ,bombing and killing each other.
@@Zeke214_Tell that to the blacks here! Everything is black & white with a lot of them but not all blacks.
“Now have the day that you deserve.” Is now my absolutely favorite line out there. It’s like a far less passive aggressive version of bless your heart haha. Love it! Love your content as well & all the information you share with us!
May your day be as pleasant as you are.
@@annana6098 Ohhhh I like that one even better!🤣🤣
Absolutely!! I am taking this "Now have the day that you deserve." Thank you
My life is now complete.
I’m definitely using this👌🏾
They didn’t call everyone they oppressed black, they just knew who was “white” and only they had better treatment.
It's still happening today in some parts of the world.
As an Irish- American who has been taught about how the Irish weren't looked at favorably.It pisses me off knowing that some people just say " I'm Irish " to get attention on Saint Paddie's day.
I used to do that all the time as a kid not only because I’m Irish but because it’s also my birthday 😂
It’s not just the Irish. We’ve seen this with the Italians, the French, and what we are witnessing in America right now is Hispanics turning white!
Basically everyone who wasn't anglo-saxon was the outgroup until a new group came in, then they insisted everyone is all buddy-buddy and must unite to protect 'muh culture'
@@mogscugg2639 Everyone who was not Asian or Black from Africa were the outgroups in the US. Italians, French and Irish are examples of whites, of course. This is the de jure ingroup of the US since 1790.
@@soulcapitalist6204 so I guess No Irish Need Apply and the ghettos didn't happen :))))
@@mogscugg2639 That doesn't make you Black and in the United States, being Black or being Asian were the only racial disqualifications for being white. Nice try.
From the instant Irish set foot in the US, they had white power and many notoriously wielded it as they got off the boat from Ireland, beating and killing the first black people they had seen in their lives.
In Europe, Hispanics are white and have been white. The US splits hairs a lot more about who is and who isn’t white. Just like a middle-Eastern is considered Asian to a European.
"No Irish need apply,"" was because they were Catholic.
“No Irish” on pubs is bc there’s a history of the Irish and English hating each other, for good reason too
Exactly, this video is nonsense. The English were also catholic until a certain point in history, then our religious and political differences classed us as lesser in the UK, but we were never considered not white lol misinformation
Exactly. Was their ethnic-religious background not this bullshit about colour. Bigots and racists don’t JUST focus on skin colour
@TemporaryAway English mate
@TemporaryAway really don’t care
This even happened in australia, the British colonists treated Irish convicts and immigrants as sub human at times, my great grandparents were actually an aboriginal woman and an Irish convict.
their children were even involved in the stolen generation, where the British would forcibly take australian native children away into foster homes and Christian schools away from their families.
Despite all that I’m white as paper and experience none of the discrimination my ancestors did, it’s crazy how racism had populated even the most distant continent to Britain
I suggest anyone look into Australia’s history with racism, I think it’s pretty interesting and valuable to look at in our modern times
I think alot of Irish Americans like any other immigrants have just forgotten their past because weve been here for generations now and havent been persecuted since the 60s so they no longer live in close knit communities and the history isnt full of great victories or conquests its mostly depressing