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Mixing doesn’t get enough recognition for being part of the storytelling of a track. Although it clearly affects its aesthetic, the mixing of a song can tell a lot about the state of mind of the artist and their emotional nature. Bad mixing, imo, is only when it sticks out like a sore thumb for no conceptual or story driven reason. Some of my favourite albums aren’t high fidelity, but instead, the rough mix presents a warmth to the album.
@Giovani Perez perfect analogy. Love them. Mount Eerie too! There’s a world that is created with that kind of mixing that is completely fitting and stripped back.
Igor is chaotic, noisy, loud, hard to grasp onto, just like the feeling of falling in love with someone amd the uncertainty of that relationship. Tyler did a banging job at giving you that feeling in his project.
Something I didn't fully realize before I started making and mixing my own music is that a song can sound completely different depending on what kind of speaker you are using. To me a good mix is a mix that works well over all kinds of speakers without losing critical elements of the vibe Subtle elements are dope, but if half of your song won't be noticed on most speakers or some elements are extremely overbearing on very good speakers there might be a problem
This often shows up especially when artists remix/remaster their own songs; you will have people divided on which mix they like more. Sometimes artists mix their singles differently when they reappear on their album as well, and it might put people off (even if it's "better") because the single has been out for a few months to a year and they're so used to the original mix. It's kinda crazy when you think about how much a mix can affect the context of a song, even if all the musical elements/recordings are exactly the same.
I don't thing mixing well a bad song is gonna make it good. I would say great mixing makes the good stuff of the song shine, so if the composition id bad, It will still be a bad song
@@fede1324ee I’m just saying a lot of artists can’t even sound like the recording on the live performance because the engineer did such a great job at masking the fact they can’t sing or whatever the case maybe there’s always been studio tricks that can make a recording artist seem more talented than they actually are
As a mix engineer, I've spent a long time wondering what my job is, and what it is not. While clarity is the aim for mixing, I would say that that is mainly achieved during arrangement and composition - finding sounds that work well together and don't talk over one another. Mixing does this too, but on a more subtle level. If you take the analogy of woodwork, arrangement is like choosing and sawing pieces that broadly fit together, and mixing is more like filing and sanding them down so they slot in perfectly. Basically, if an arrangement lacks clarity because everything doesn't fit together already, EQing and changing the volume of the separate parts can only do so much.
I have no firsthand knowledge here, but it seems some people have the idea that good mixing can overcome sloppy recording, and that’s generally not true. So “bad mixing” may really be bad engineering during recording or bad playing.
Just to add onto this, a lot of Wu Tang tracks could be considered to have a bad mix (not just a lofi sound, I mean actual levels are off) but tit really serves the texture of the music
anyone who listens to instrumental hip hop (j dilla, madlib, knxwledge, etc) knows some genres don’t rely on clean mixes, just mixes that convey the mood and vibe of the track. wide bass and no high end is characteristic for a lot of these beats, and they take nothing away from the vibe.
A lot of industrial music uses distortion/clipping, added grit and texture as qualities that define the style, despite how much more traditional sounds avoid those harsher sounds. Cross genre too, from metal to rave music.
Technically it's still good mixing just a different style. Like if them beats where the opposite and had extra top end and less bass then it would be a bad mix but it is technically the same if that makes any sense
I think you are mistaking "not clean mix" with lo-fi, is characteristic not because it sounds "not clean" it's characteristic because it's trying to replicate the audio quality of pre hi-fi
@@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 thats apart of it yes, but more in the mastering process and for electronic music. a mix not fitting the weight/vibe of the track regardless throws everything off, but the push for producers to push their tracks to a brick of a waveform for live/stream playout is definitely a big example of the og comment at least for said genre. in the opposite, any heavy and momentous track having a lackluster mix will destroy the intent its concept too
While I generally agree, there are some examples of mixing that I really like even though it is really muddy and you can't clearly hear everything. For example Deathconciousness by Have a Nice Life. A bunch of songs are mixed in a way that makes it hard to really hear the vocals. At first I found it a bit annoying, but as I listened to it more I realized that the mixing really adds to the dark and desolate feel of the album and I don't think the atmosophere would be nearly as strong if the mixing was done in a more traditional way.
The vocals being hard to hear on that album owes to the elements of shoegaze on that album - one of the main tenants of shoegaze is a sort of "vocals as an instrument" philosophy, where it's more about the melody rather than the lyrics.
@@dgayle2348 Mixing makes precise and nuanced changes to tonal quality and loudness. Mastering brings it into competitive loudness for all platforms and makes the body of work tonally and broadly cohesive. One way to say it would be the recording process breaks the stone into the crude shape of the art piece, and mixing chisels the details and form into the piece. Mastering would be described as polishing the stone and (it's not physically possible) making the stone fill the space it's placed into.
I vaguely remember a can of shit being sold as art once, but I agree. It's also a bit paradoxical, since to have an effective creative process you have to narrow down and impose limits on yourself to an extend. If art is anything then you'll just endlessly contemplate what you could be doing, instead of doing it with a clear goal in mind
A lot of people don't understand that mixing is completely based on context and it should serve as a tool to convey emotions and messages, thus there's not a standard that it's "objective" when it comes to music. A trap metal or death industrial album isn't meant to sound like Steely Dan, or vice versa. It all comes down to what you want to transmit sonically and emotionally, the genre of music you're creating, the purpose of the instrumentation and vocals, the style of production you're using, etc.
@@coopers1716 Both of you can be correct - you don't mix and master Jazz in the same way as Metal or Trap, but there are always good fundamentals you need to hit so your song sounds good on different playback setups.
Songs can sound good with zero mixing lol you can’t stuff up mixing, takes like 5 seconds. Most of the producers should be able to do this to a basic level otherwise they wouldn’t of gotten a bachelors degree.
@@relebogilelevi I am saying none of yall are producers and all you need to know is mixing is legit just changing the sound of individual sounds within a song
Mixing is all about feeling. A bad mix, IMHO, it’s a mix that does not convey the emotion the artist intended, period. It has nothing to do with frequency or “sounding good”. For example, Kanye’s verse on Tyler’s PUPPET: the sound of the vocal is extremely weird, it’s low on the mix, it’s so off putting. But damn, does it feels good! It wouldn’t be the same feel if Kanye’s voice was crystal clear. It adds to the vibe of “is that Kanye?”
@@kazvanrooij of course a mixing engineer has to know frequencies and how to "fit" them together. All I'm saying is that there is no RIGHT way to do it. Some mixes are too muddy or too bright, but they work because it serves the purpose of the song. Can you imagine a Grizzly Bear record that sounds pristine and clear? It's not the vibe, it needs that "dirt"
@@MegaVictorGamer I have thought about this a lot but I think a mix can totally objectively be bad to a certain extent. Yes alot of it is part of the art and subjective. But not 100% of it all. It is indeed about intent. But that also means when a mix is really muddy and that was NOT the intent, it is a bad mix.
I think there is such a thing as an 'objectively bad' mix, if you take it to an extreme. For example, I could easily take the stems for TPAB and ruin the album via wildly inappropriate application of volume balance, panning, EQ and compression. A professional release is unlikely to ever have an 'objectively bad' mix, but I think you can safely say that there are a number of features that would make a song worse in most circumstances (unless there was a strong countervailing force justifying it with regard to the styles and themes of the song/album): - EQ: vocals and instruments occupying similar frequency ranges to the point that the mix sounds 'muddy' - Compression: low vocals are very quiet and high vocals are very loud - Balance: one rhythm instrument like bass or drums dominating the mix at the expense of lead instruments And so on. 🙂
I see where you are coming from. I see “good mixing” as being balance between vision and end result. Does it sound like what you wanted it to? Then its good, even if it goes against every rule in the book. Take for instance a lot of soundcloud rap/ hyper pop. Extremely bad mixing colloquially speaking, but a decent amount of it is intentional and done so for a purpose, so it can’t really be considered “bad mixing” We could also talk about a lot of underground death metal in this argument too, but we don’t need to
@@colewalker8710 I agree, interesting perspective. I believe in your scenario it would be possible to have a great mix (in that the artist's vision was fully realised), but a poor song (in that the artist's vision wasn't great to begin with)? I guess then we're getting into the territory of whether music in general can be 'objectively bad', but that's a topic that's probably best left alone. 🙂
i think mixing and some people's preference when it comes to mixing can be manifested in the "i dont know what i dont like about this song it just feels off to me" attitude toward a new song, i have often been met with this when i was younger and less knowledgeable about music and even to this day and i think that can be explained by not exactly understanding what you dont like about the mix, just not liking it
Good mixing in general is: little/no mud. every element is clearly audible has its own pocket in the eq and it’s own stereo feild. Mono sub. Mastered to the appropriate loudness for the streaming platform (most tracks hover around -8 to -6 LUFS these days). No unintentional pops or glitches or distortion in the audio. Proper volume levels for every element (instrument and vocals) in the song. Proper use of the stereo feild. As mono compatible as feasible so as not to hinder the artists vision. Etc etc.
To me, mixing in music also depends heavily on artistic intend. If my bloody valentine muddy and washed-out mixing was purposely intended to be that way support the instrospective lyrics, then art is good and mixing is also good 👌🤠 although sometimes bad or odd mixing choices become good by accident through experimentation
You can objectively have a bad mix. For example it's possible to raise the bass up so high in some mastering programs such as T-RacKs to where it will blow your ears out playing it at a normally played volume level or at least hurt them and probably damage. That is a bad mix.
I mean, it's dangerous but I don't know if I'd consider it bad. Though this probably would turn into a discussion of general metaphysics rather than sound engineering so sure, you would very rarely be in a context in which dangerous bass levels would be present.
I disagree, I actually love overly distorted bass in my music. To the point where sometimes I even download songs and remix them myself to be blown-out and then add them back into my playlists. Like Ranipla said, dangerous, but not necessarily bad.
Thanks for raising general awareness about these process' with your audience. I have a hell of a time as a mix engineer explaining some of these concepts to people in layman terms and you've done very well to translate it for the uninformed.
Bad mixing is like bad seasoning in food. You want to be able to taste and discern all the flavors. If flavors are getting buried or lost, or they clash, its bad.
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If a song sounds clear and all the important elements are audible thats the basis of a good mix. However there's a lot that goes under the hood in a good mix. Depending on the style there's often many elements that are barely audible to add "feel". There might be a synthesiser playing the same line or a harmony to a guitar to alter the timbre, or extra vocal lines to beef up the main line. Barely audible percussion to drive the rhythm subconsciously. At the end of the day if it sounds good, it sounds good and no mix engineer in the world can save a bad song.
My take on "no such thing as bad in art" is that it depends on the intent. If an artist is trying to intentionally make something rough or not refined, usually they make that apparent to the audience and it fits with the other elements, but if they are trying to make something good or accessible and an element is such a glaringly poor quality compared to everything else that is trying to be good, it offsets the quality, clashes with each other and shows a sense of incompetence, and I would call that bad.
A good mix is when you dont even pay attention to the mix in the first place (Unless you are a musician/engineer or wtv because they sometimes cant turn it off)
YES! You absolutely can have bad mixing. I'm sure there are plenty of projects that intentionally go for a "lo-fi" presentation where you can make the subjectivity argument and I would say that if the mix conveys the artist's intent then it's a good mix, even if it's technically flawed, because it works with the track. However, and I see this all the time with low budget/local projects, what I would describe as objectively bad mixing is when the artist's intention is clearly being let down by a lackluster recording/mix. You can tell they were going for a certain sound or aesthetic and you can hear that the person mixing was TRYING to get it there but just falling short.
"There's no such thing as good mixing" is sort of true in a hypothetical vacuum where no context exists, but here in the real world were I do most of my music listening, we have lots of context! We know the genre we're listening to, we know the artist, we know what the rest of the album sounds like, etc. We have a pretty good idea of what this shit is supposed to sound like, and additional to that we have the faculties to discern between what's an artistic choice and what's just a fucked up mix.
Mixing is an artform that I really think most music listeners, artists and critics overlook when it's really, really important. Many genres, labels and bands are just as much products of talented mixing engineers as they are the songwriters and performers.
"The best reviews are subjective but that doesn't mean you throw objectivity out the window. You have to build your case with honest statements that even people who disagree with you can relate to." - A 90 yr old black grandma on 'subjectivity'
What constitutes Good or Bad Mixing is also 100% dependent on context. Each subgenre has its own aesthetics and parameters that people can gauge it by. And also, some of the best mixes break all of the rules.
One of my favourite examples of the art of mixing was the whole dub movement in Jamaica in the early 80s. Roots reggae is an ok genre in my opinion, but not amazing, but if you throw one of those tracks in the hands of somebody like Scientist or King Tubby, they create this whole new world out of it entirely through mixing.
They were producers not simply engineers making different mixes of a song… since they added effects that could almost function as whole other instruments and often rearranged songs, sometimes taking a few parts and ignoring most of the instruments and changes. That is the art of production or the art of dub remixing. Not to sound pompous but he’s talking about mixing done by an engineer, remixes with adding elements are done by producers.
Underrated / lesser known Producers, a personal fav list (mostly vintage): - Adrian Sherwood. -Joe Meek - J-P Massiera - Holger Czukay (for the "Snakecharmer" EP), S Gainsbourg. So many others, really. Oh Sly & Robbie, too! Hope it inspires someone out there .. :)
Perfect example of a “Good Mix VS Bad Mix” of the same song Good Mixing: Diplo - Wish feat Trippie Redd Bad Mixing: Diplo - Wish feat Trippie Redd [Trippie Mix]
Mixing and production are important but I feel like modern musicians and music fans put too much emphasis on it. It shouldn’t overshadow the actual composition and performance aspect of music. There’s a certain charm to rougher sounding production that has its place in certain genres. Not everything needs to be “perfect” sounding. It’s art.
mixing is different for every song, section etc. like obviously tyler the creators igor album doesn’t need to be crystal clear that’s not the objective. a good mix in my opinion means sticking to the vibe and purpose of the song
Most people listen to music on cheap earphones so the gap between a “good” mix and a “bad” mix is very small. As long it’s clear (like Melon said) and there aren’t any weird hard-panned tracks or overall clipping/gain-staging issues… the mix will always be tertiary to the music and storytelling.
its a bad mix if the intended sound is completely absent, like if you had a cello in the background and the beat obviously fits a crisp clean sound, its a bad mix if that sound is instead compressed as fuck because your intention and the construction of that art is fully intended to sound different then the outcome, whereas if you construct it with the intention of adding the compressed cello its different. like if you baked a cake and wanted it to taste like peanut butter, and it tastes like nothing, sure you can say its subjective and some people would like it but objectively your intention was to make that taste like peanut butter so its a bad peanut butter cake. Ofc i agree its subjective but we're talking quality of the intended function rather then quality of the sound(danny browns career is made off proving this point, simple beats constructed to fit his story telling)
Honestly, mixing in music is kinda like editing or cinematography in film. There are conventions, but more often than not people have gotten tons of mileage and completely changed the way films are made through those choices.
Context is important when assessing a mix: different styles of music have different sonic standards and audience expectations and they put the emphasis on different aspects of a track. A mix that doesn't fit the established genre standards could arguably be called objectively bad, if only because it clashes with the listener's expectations and draws attention to itself rather than serving the music... unless that is the artists' specific intention I suppose. That's the other side of the question: does the mix present the music as the artist *wants* it to be heard? Intentionality can make all kinds of shit acceptable. So I reckon the key to saying whether or not a mix is bad is firstly, comparing it to genre conventions, and secondly, making some assessment of whether or not some aspect of the mix that sticks out to you might plausibly be deliberate. That can certainly be the case when artists are blending different styles of music together.
It's so annoying thing to me when you say "this thing is [opinion]" and someone responds with "well you know that's subjective and just your opinion. Nothing is objectively [opinion]" and it's like... Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Great contribution to the conversation.
I think it's very hard to make an absolute statement about what bad mixing is. Sometimes the clarity of something in a song is weaker for artistic affect. Think of the first song on Deafheaven's Sunbather. The vocals are barely noticeable and buried, yet it's for artistic affect.
There is such a thing as a bad mix, and I should know, I've made a more than a few of them. There are things which can be objectively measured that can make a bad mix, like having multi-miced instruments out of phase, poor gain staging, boosting a lot with a crappy EQ, doesn't translate to mono/other speakers. A lot of it depends on genre, however, as different types of music have different conventions as to what sounds good; slamming everything into compressors might be the way to go on a rock song, not so much on jazz, ect. Clarity as you mentioned is important, definitely one of the first things one should learn as a mixer is how to make sure you can hear all of the instruments; one of the main reasons the 2017 remix of David Bowie's Lodger album sounds better than the original is you can actually hear what the musicians are doing. Clarity, however, is not all it's cracked up to be. Ever listen to Phil Spector music in stereo? It's a lot clearer, but it also totally ruins the wall of sound effect. Or for a more subtle example, listen to the 2019 remix of the Beatles' "Something" vs the original, during the guitar solo I find that the extra clarity is actually more of a distraction, and the smudginess of the original mix is much better. Or when you mentioned vocal levels, I thought of "Thursday" by Asobi Seksu; when I listen to that song, part of me wishes I could bump up the vocal bus by +1.5db, but I think the low vocal level adds to the hazy quality of the song which feels wonderful, like fog over mountains. For me, the most important important aspect of a mix is coherence. The mix should sound whole, like one thing, the way a symphony orchestra sounds like one thing. A lot of that comes from composition and arranging, which is why songs from the 60s can sound great, despite being recorded on very primitive equipment. But from a mixing stand point that comes mostly from the two most important aspects of a mix: volume and tonal balance. Going back to the 60s, look at those old mixing consoles, they had volume, bass and treble controls, and just listen to what they did with them! To me, a bad mix (mostly my own) usually sounds like a bunch of elements that don't gel together.
some of my favorite songs have badly mixed sections. like Bury Me With It by Modest Mouse, it sounds like Isaac is screaming his lines from another room, and it really adds a sense of fury and detachedness to the song
As someone who does a lot of theatre (re?), I can see the dilemma drawn here too. Although there is always going to be a subjective element, there can always be analysis made things like the scenic design, lighting design, speed of transitions between scenes etc, and most glaringly for some, analysis about the acting, and all of these have an objective element in them in my opinion. Just like music, many of these elements depend on the context with which the criticism is had, thus bringing in the question of 'effectiveness' but still, the objectivity seems to remain. Intuitively this makes sense and proves itself to be true; we won't tell an actor who in inarticulate, two dimensional, and so on that they are just as good as the actor who had that role in NY (and this is ok, it's okay to be a novice, we all start somewhere, especially when it comes to academic theater)
There's an acoustic guitar solo in the song Loser by 3 Doors Down that's an example of bad mixing because it's so buried. I'm not sure if it can be mixed well
A lot of distorted/noise music LIVES AND DIES on the mix. If you can't make all of the clashing tones and textures distinct, you really end up with music that just sounds like a mess. Animal Collective is a great example of a band that gets it really right a lot, but also sometimes toes the line with music where the vocals can feel non-existent and the instruments can clash without individual parts being super recognisable. Good mixes deserve a lot of respect!!
I love the mix on I'm the Aeroplane Over the Sea, for example that brief audio clipping in Holland, 1945 when the band comes is just, such a nice touch. Even if by most standards it'd be bad to have a volume spike like that on a rock record
Bad mixing doesnt matter all that much. You can still understand the artist's vision in a bad mix. I think mixing influences our perception of a musical aesthetic, but not to an extent where a bad mix overrides the composition coming through
Even though I think you have had bad takes on what ‘bad mixing’ and ‘bad mastering’ are in reviews (particularly kasey musgraves recent album, which was mixed and mastered by people at the top of their game), this is a very concise video and does a great job of explaining it to non-engineers.
People need to understand that mixing and mastering engineers are under a lot of pressure when they are working on an album for some artist to make it sound the best to thier ability . They are humans too thus mistakes tend to happen. But I still don't know how they decided to release that astroworld track with such low volumes for nas's Verse because these final mixes and masters are sometimes heard by other engineers too for reference. Poor quality control issue ig
Nav wasnt badly mixed, his parents are sleeping so he do his verse quietly
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This is funny
I called Tyler’s number and asked if he wanted to smoke weed but the cops came instead.
When im not watching this channel I’m watching Seven Hunnid on RUclips ..
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Bad mixing is kinda like mixing but done badly
cant argue with that
I mean you’re not wrong
Best definition
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no impossible mixing would never do this
All races are equal Anthony. There's no bad mixing
Like number 69
Jfc im dying 🤦♂️🤣
lmao i died
2 years later and this joke still solid my boy. 😌
Nav recording his yosemite verse on a 3DS high above him might just be my favorite music meme of all time.
We all know the 3DS was the best tool to film videos and record audio.
@First Last My first DS was actually the DSi.
@@Schlagageul Still showin ur age if the dsi was your first ds
@First Last Fr hahahah the 3ds was a mega upgrade compared to the dslite
@@EmmaxoOCE I guess it's still nice to be told you're young for a change. Instead of people telling me I look older than I am.
Bad mixing is when a certain Melon decides to not talk about 'Sing About Me, I'm Dying of Thirst' when reviewing 'Good Kid, m.A.A.d City'
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@@AxxLAfriku just shut up bro please
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Anthony’s fleece out here sporting the internet’s busiest pattern
Probably got it from Dan Flashes’
@@12thjump39 this pattern isn't even that complex.
The pattern is...badly mixed
Man's looking like a bus seat
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Mixing doesn’t get enough recognition for being part of the storytelling of a track. Although it clearly affects its aesthetic, the mixing of a song can tell a lot about the state of mind of the artist and their emotional nature.
Bad mixing, imo, is only when it sticks out like a sore thumb for no conceptual or story driven reason. Some of my favourite albums aren’t high fidelity, but instead, the rough mix presents a warmth to the album.
exactly!
@Giovani Perez perfect analogy. Love them. Mount Eerie too! There’s a world that is created with that kind of mixing that is completely fitting and stripped back.
First three Ween albums are some perfect examples of lo fi mixing
Igor is chaotic, noisy, loud, hard to grasp onto, just like the feeling of falling in love with someone amd the uncertainty of that relationship. Tyler did a banging job at giving you that feeling in his project.
Bro.... You gotta drop some more dimes on music philosophy.... Bro... I'm outta words... I never thought about it that way
Something I didn't fully realize before I started making and mixing my own music is that a song can sound completely different depending on what kind of speaker you are using. To me a good mix is a mix that works well over all kinds of speakers without losing critical elements of the vibe
Subtle elements are dope, but if half of your song won't be noticed on most speakers or some elements are extremely overbearing on very good speakers there might be a problem
Great point!
Facts, I’ll hear it on my headphones and it sounds clean, then when it plays on my phone or something it sounds way off
A mix should sound fine on flat studio monitors or headphones. sounding nice on every device has to do with mastering, but I get what you’re saying
Good point.
@@fbysebastian7112 It’s got to do with both.
People don’t realize a mix can make or break an artist it can literally make a great song sound terrible or a terrible song sound great
Literally or figuratively?
@@MrKnivan 🤡
This often shows up especially when artists remix/remaster their own songs; you will have people divided on which mix they like more.
Sometimes artists mix their singles differently when they reappear on their album as well, and it might put people off (even if it's "better") because the single has been out for a few months to a year and they're so used to the original mix.
It's kinda crazy when you think about how much a mix can affect the context of a song, even if all the musical elements/recordings are exactly the same.
I don't thing mixing well a bad song is gonna make it good. I would say great mixing makes the good stuff of the song shine, so if the composition id bad, It will still be a bad song
@@fede1324ee I’m just saying a lot of artists can’t even sound like the recording on the live performance because the engineer did such a great job at masking the fact they can’t sing or whatever the case maybe there’s always been studio tricks that can make a recording artist seem more talented than they actually are
As a mix engineer, I've spent a long time wondering what my job is, and what it is not.
While clarity is the aim for mixing, I would say that that is mainly achieved during arrangement and composition - finding sounds that work well together and don't talk over one another.
Mixing does this too, but on a more subtle level. If you take the analogy of woodwork, arrangement is like choosing and sawing pieces that broadly fit together, and mixing is more like filing and sanding them down so they slot in perfectly.
Basically, if an arrangement lacks clarity because everything doesn't fit together already, EQing and changing the volume of the separate parts can only do so much.
I have no firsthand knowledge here, but it seems some people have the idea that good mixing can overcome sloppy recording, and that’s generally not true. So “bad mixing” may really be bad engineering during recording or bad playing.
I was looking for this comment. A world class mix engineer can't fix a bad arrangement/recording/performance.
Sometimes muddy mixes have a lovely vintage sound. A lot of late 60s/early 70s reggae has this in abundance and it sounds fucking excellent
Just to add onto this, a lot of Wu Tang tracks could be considered to have a bad mix (not just a lofi sound, I mean actual levels are off) but tit really serves the texture of the music
*Cough* Beefheart *cough*
i agree. same case with old punk like black flag or agent orange
Can you recommend some songs? I'm interested to hear
@@laussethecat a couple of good examples
Bob Marley - Fussing and Fighting
Bob Marley - Bus Dem Shut
Can't mix well? Call it lofi, indie, or experimental and you've made a masterpiece
Lyf Hax
9/10 (it was experimental.)
I mean, some Lofi/indie music can take skill to make
Yeah i make experimental music (shit music)
Literally 😂
anyone who listens to instrumental hip hop (j dilla, madlib, knxwledge, etc) knows some genres don’t rely on clean mixes, just mixes that convey the mood and vibe of the track. wide bass and no high end is characteristic for a lot of these beats, and they take nothing away from the vibe.
J Dillas signature messy mix is ironically hard to replicate
A lot of industrial music uses distortion/clipping, added grit and texture as qualities that define the style, despite how much more traditional sounds avoid those harsher sounds. Cross genre too, from metal to rave music.
Technically it's still good mixing just a different style.
Like if them beats where the opposite and had extra top end and less bass then it would be a bad mix but it is technically the same if that makes any sense
Dilla, Madlib and knxwledge are the most appropriate examples for unique mixing
I think you are mistaking "not clean mix" with lo-fi, is characteristic not because it sounds "not clean" it's characteristic because it's trying to replicate the audio quality of pre hi-fi
Saying that logic is the best example of bad mixing because he’s mixed was unexpected honestly.
Nah this "joke" aint it.
The best example of bad mixing is my songs
we’re not talking about race
bad mixing is when it doesn't allow the music to simply exist without combating itself
Isn't this what they call as loudness war?
@@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 No it is not.
Really like this definition
@@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 thats apart of it yes, but more in the mastering process and for electronic music. a mix not fitting the weight/vibe of the track regardless throws everything off, but the push for producers to push their tracks to a brick of a waveform for live/stream playout is definitely a big example of the og comment at least for said genre. in the opposite, any heavy and momentous track having a lackluster mix will destroy the intent its concept too
i would pay so much for a “melon’s mixing tips & tricks” video
Bruh learn from a pro mixer maybe?
Why?
@@ricardoescobar2452 irony
fuck does he actually know about mixing lol
@@jaqf exactly...
While I generally agree, there are some examples of mixing that I really like even though it is really muddy and you can't clearly hear everything. For example Deathconciousness by Have a Nice Life. A bunch of songs are mixed in a way that makes it hard to really hear the vocals. At first I found it a bit annoying, but as I listened to it more I realized that the mixing really adds to the dark and desolate feel of the album and I don't think the atmosophere would be nearly as strong if the mixing was done in a more traditional way.
Rodeo and Good Kid Maad City
Yes, context is key.
Yeah mixing is as abstract and free form as the music itself so in that regard being a “good” mixer is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
@@wasabijones4571, Yeah Rodeo is mixed very muddy
The vocals being hard to hear on that album owes to the elements of shoegaze on that album - one of the main tenants of shoegaze is a sort of "vocals as an instrument" philosophy, where it's more about the melody rather than the lyrics.
Oloff - Sameways AOTY
Mixing being unpolished to sound more raw and grimey (like on days before rodeo and a lot of juicy j’s mixtapes) works really well sometimes
mixtape era was the best cause it had bad mixing but good mastering. Muddy but still easy on the ear for some reason.
@@wasabijones4571 : what's the difference between mixing and mastering?
@@dgayle2348 Mixing makes precise and nuanced changes to tonal quality and loudness. Mastering brings it into competitive loudness for all platforms and makes the body of work tonally and broadly cohesive.
One way to say it would be the recording process breaks the stone into the crude shape of the art piece, and mixing chisels the details and form into the piece. Mastering would be described as polishing the stone and (it's not physically possible) making the stone fill the space it's placed into.
"Theres no such thing as bad art" is something you will never ever hear leave the mouth of an actual artist. I hate when people say that so much.
I vaguely remember a can of shit being sold as art once, but I agree. It's also a bit paradoxical, since to have an effective creative process you have to narrow down and impose limits on yourself to an extend. If art is anything then you'll just endlessly contemplate what you could be doing, instead of doing it with a clear goal in mind
@@omega1231 what the fuck does this even mean
Melon, you can't suddenly call it "Bad Mix" now that Jesy Nelson is gone. That's just disrespectful
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A lot of people don't understand that mixing is completely based on context and it should serve as a tool to convey emotions and messages, thus there's not a standard that it's "objective" when it comes to music. A trap metal or death industrial album isn't meant to sound like Steely Dan, or vice versa. It all comes down to what you want to transmit sonically and emotionally, the genre of music you're creating, the purpose of the instrumentation and vocals, the style of production you're using, etc.
This is a very Bob Ross take on the topic, but I respectfully disagree. Bad mixing can make or break a song.
@@coopers1716 Both of you can be correct - you don't mix and master Jazz in the same way as Metal or Trap, but there are always good fundamentals you need to hit so your song sounds good on different playback setups.
Songs can sound good with zero mixing lol you can’t stuff up mixing, takes like 5 seconds. Most of the producers should be able to do this to a basic level otherwise they wouldn’t of gotten a bachelors degree.
@@wickxd9929 wtf are you on about.
@@relebogilelevi I am saying none of yall are producers and all you need to know is mixing is legit just changing the sound of individual sounds within a song
Mixing is all about feeling. A bad mix, IMHO, it’s a mix that does not convey the emotion the artist intended, period. It has nothing to do with frequency or “sounding good”.
For example, Kanye’s verse on Tyler’s PUPPET: the sound of the vocal is extremely weird, it’s low on the mix, it’s so off putting. But damn, does it feels good! It wouldn’t be the same feel if Kanye’s voice was crystal clear. It adds to the vibe of “is that Kanye?”
Except it has all to do with frequencies.
@@kazvanrooij of course a mixing engineer has to know frequencies and how to "fit" them together. All I'm saying is that there is no RIGHT way to do it. Some mixes are too muddy or too bright, but they work because it serves the purpose of the song. Can you imagine a Grizzly Bear record that sounds pristine and clear? It's not the vibe, it needs that "dirt"
@@MegaVictorGamer I have thought about this a lot but I think a mix can totally objectively be bad to a certain extent. Yes alot of it is part of the art and subjective. But not 100% of it all. It is indeed about intent. But that also means when a mix is really muddy and that was NOT the intent, it is a bad mix.
@@kazvanrooij Yes! Totally agree
Melon sounding like Deepthony Voicetano today
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I think there is such a thing as an 'objectively bad' mix, if you take it to an extreme. For example, I could easily take the stems for TPAB and ruin the album via wildly inappropriate application of volume balance, panning, EQ and compression.
A professional release is unlikely to ever have an 'objectively bad' mix, but I think you can safely say that there are a number of features that would make a song worse in most circumstances (unless there was a strong countervailing force justifying it with regard to the styles and themes of the song/album):
- EQ: vocals and instruments occupying similar frequency ranges to the point that the mix sounds 'muddy'
- Compression: low vocals are very quiet and high vocals are very loud
- Balance: one rhythm instrument like bass or drums dominating the mix at the expense of lead instruments
And so on. 🙂
I agree! good point
You probably have the best argument that you can make about mixing being “objectively” bad
I see where you are coming from. I see “good mixing” as being balance between vision and end result. Does it sound like what you wanted it to? Then its good, even if it goes against every rule in the book.
Take for instance a lot of soundcloud rap/ hyper pop. Extremely bad mixing colloquially speaking, but a decent amount of it is intentional and done so for a purpose, so it can’t really be considered “bad mixing”
We could also talk about a lot of underground death metal in this argument too, but we don’t need to
I mean… with cheap earphones (…the standard), everything’s convoluted so…
@@colewalker8710 I agree, interesting perspective. I believe in your scenario it would be possible to have a great mix (in that the artist's vision was fully realised), but a poor song (in that the artist's vision wasn't great to begin with)? I guess then we're getting into the territory of whether music in general can be 'objectively bad', but that's a topic that's probably best left alone. 🙂
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I'm gonna do 1000 push ups every day until Nav makes a good song 🤦♂️
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My guy gonna turn into hulk
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You’ll die of exhaustion, don’t do it bro
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I used to not even notice the mixing. But now that I can notice it, it ruins so many songs
I’ve mixed a drapload of my own songs. Now I can hear different things on every song
one of the most popular examples of bad mixing:
And Justice For All - Metallica
Agreed. Not only having the bass almost non-existent makes everything sound thin with little low end, but artistically it also makes zero sense.
A good mix MAKES the song an experience. A bad mix hinders the listeners enjoyment.
You can still experience bad mixes, you know
i think mixing and some people's preference when it comes to mixing can be manifested in the "i dont know what i dont like about this song it just feels off to me" attitude toward a new song, i have often been met with this when i was younger and less knowledgeable about music and even to this day and i think that can be explained by not exactly understanding what you dont like about the mix, just not liking it
Good mixing in general is: little/no mud. every element is clearly audible has its own pocket in the eq and it’s own stereo feild. Mono sub. Mastered to the appropriate loudness for the streaming platform (most tracks hover around -8 to -6 LUFS these days). No unintentional pops or glitches or distortion in the audio. Proper volume levels for every element (instrument and vocals) in the song. Proper use of the stereo feild. As mono compatible as feasible so as not to hinder the artists vision. Etc etc.
To me, mixing in music also depends heavily on artistic intend. If my bloody valentine muddy and washed-out mixing was purposely intended to be that way support the instrospective lyrics, then art is good and mixing is also good 👌🤠 although sometimes bad or odd mixing choices become good by accident through experimentation
You can objectively have a bad mix. For example it's possible to raise the bass up so high in some mastering programs such as T-RacKs to where it will blow your ears out playing it at a normally played volume level or at least hurt them and probably damage. That is a bad mix.
I mean, it's dangerous but I don't know if I'd consider it bad. Though this probably would turn into a discussion of general metaphysics rather than sound engineering so sure, you would very rarely be in a context in which dangerous bass levels would be present.
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I disagree, I actually love overly distorted bass in my music. To the point where sometimes I even download songs and remix them myself to be blown-out and then add them back into my playlists. Like Ranipla said, dangerous, but not necessarily bad.
Well, it is objectively bad for your ears
@@stanpines9011 but sounds great
See the crazy thing is I like the version that has Nav’s voice “too” low
it’s because you hear less nav
You mix the lime with the coconut and shake it all up
Thanks for raising general awareness about these process' with your audience.
I have a hell of a time as a mix engineer explaining some of these concepts to people in layman terms and you've done very well to translate it for the uninformed.
Bad mixing is like bad seasoning in food. You want to be able to taste and discern all the flavors. If flavors are getting buried or lost, or they clash, its bad.
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If a song sounds clear and all the important elements are audible thats the basis of a good mix.
However there's a lot that goes under the hood in a good mix. Depending on the style there's often many elements that are barely audible to add "feel". There might be a synthesiser playing the same line or a harmony to a guitar to alter the timbre, or extra vocal lines to beef up the main line. Barely audible percussion to drive the rhythm subconsciously.
At the end of the day if it sounds good, it sounds good and no mix engineer in the world can save a bad song.
My take on "no such thing as bad in art" is that it depends on the intent.
If an artist is trying to intentionally make something rough or not refined, usually they make that apparent to the audience and it fits with the other elements,
but if they are trying to make something good or accessible and an element is such a glaringly poor quality compared to everything else that is trying to be good, it offsets the quality, clashes with each other and shows a sense of incompetence, and I would call that bad.
Anthony pulled a Tim and Eric at the beginning 00:08 - Boomer reference
Am I that old fuck
since when Tim and Eric is boomer shit you hunk?
@@movimentodoscacos tim and eric peaked on 2007 bro lets be real
TIM AND ERIC. AWESOME SHOW!
Shit thought it was jojo reference
A good mix is when you dont even pay attention to the mix in the first place (Unless you are a musician/engineer or wtv because they sometimes cant turn it off)
YES! You absolutely can have bad mixing. I'm sure there are plenty of projects that intentionally go for a "lo-fi" presentation where you can make the subjectivity argument and I would say that if the mix conveys the artist's intent then it's a good mix, even if it's technically flawed, because it works with the track. However, and I see this all the time with low budget/local projects, what I would describe as objectively bad mixing is when the artist's intention is clearly being let down by a lackluster recording/mix. You can tell they were going for a certain sound or aesthetic and you can hear that the person mixing was TRYING to get it there but just falling short.
"There's no such thing as good mixing" is sort of true in a hypothetical vacuum where no context exists, but here in the real world were I do most of my music listening, we have lots of context! We know the genre we're listening to, we know the artist, we know what the rest of the album sounds like, etc. We have a pretty good idea of what this shit is supposed to sound like, and additional to that we have the faculties to discern between what's an artistic choice and what's just a fucked up mix.
Short answer: too much overlap of EQ between sounds and poor balance. Severe lack of dynamic range kind of sucks regardless of genre too
Mixing is an artform that I really think most music listeners, artists and critics overlook when it's really, really important. Many genres, labels and bands are just as much products of talented mixing engineers as they are the songwriters and performers.
Ending an argument with a conversation of the constructs of "objectivity in a subjective medium" is such a cop out. OP had the right idea.
why does your voice sound badly mixed
respectfully
"The best reviews are subjective but that doesn't mean you throw objectivity out the window. You have to build your case with honest statements that even people who disagree with you can relate to."
- A 90 yr old black grandma on 'subjectivity'
What constitutes Good or Bad Mixing is also 100% dependent on context. Each subgenre has its own aesthetics and parameters that people can gauge it by. And also, some of the best mixes break all of the rules.
Bad mixing? Isn’t that when your stirrer bar stops working?
One of my favourite examples of the art of mixing was the whole dub movement in Jamaica in the early 80s. Roots reggae is an ok genre in my opinion, but not amazing, but if you throw one of those tracks in the hands of somebody like Scientist or King Tubby, they create this whole new world out of it entirely through mixing.
They were producers not simply engineers making different mixes of a song… since they added effects that could almost function as whole other instruments and often rearranged songs, sometimes taking a few parts and ignoring most of the instruments and changes. That is the art of production or the art of dub remixing. Not to sound pompous but he’s talking about mixing done by an engineer, remixes with adding elements are done by producers.
Mixing is like design. You only notice it when it's bad; if you don't notice it, then it has done its job.
Underrated / lesser known Producers, a personal fav list (mostly vintage): - Adrian Sherwood. -Joe Meek - J-P Massiera - Holger Czukay (for the "Snakecharmer" EP), S Gainsbourg. So many others, really. Oh Sly & Robbie, too! Hope it inspires someone out there .. :)
Perfect example of a “Good Mix VS Bad Mix” of the same song
Good Mixing: Diplo - Wish feat Trippie Redd
Bad Mixing: Diplo - Wish feat Trippie Redd [Trippie Mix]
Bad mixing is just anything that doesn't contribute to or limits the intention of the piece
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Mixing and production are important but I feel like modern musicians and music fans put too much emphasis on it. It shouldn’t overshadow the actual composition and performance aspect of music. There’s a certain charm to rougher sounding production that has its place in certain genres. Not everything needs to be “perfect” sounding. It’s art.
mixing is different for every song, section etc. like obviously tyler the creators igor album doesn’t need to be crystal clear that’s not the objective. a good mix in my opinion means sticking to the vibe and purpose of the song
I should make a punk album then
Most people listen to music on cheap earphones so the gap between a “good” mix and a “bad” mix is very small. As long it’s clear (like Melon said) and there aren’t any weird hard-panned tracks or overall clipping/gain-staging issues… the mix will always be tertiary to the music and storytelling.
Literally every mixing engineer on the planet: yes, there's bad mixes.
its a bad mix if the intended sound is completely absent, like if you had a cello in the background and the beat obviously fits a crisp clean sound, its a bad mix if that sound is instead compressed as fuck because your intention and the construction of that art is fully intended to sound different then the outcome, whereas if you construct it with the intention of adding the compressed cello its different. like if you baked a cake and wanted it to taste like peanut butter, and it tastes like nothing, sure you can say its subjective and some people would like it but objectively your intention was to make that taste like peanut butter so its a bad peanut butter cake. Ofc i agree its subjective but we're talking quality of the intended function rather then quality of the sound(danny browns career is made off proving this point, simple beats constructed to fit his story telling)
There goes Fantano calling me out on my buried vocals
Buh literally housewife on 2001 on Spotify hurts my ears at the chorus
Honestly, mixing in music is kinda like editing or cinematography in film. There are conventions, but more often than not people have gotten tons of mileage and completely changed the way films are made through those choices.
1. When I Get To Phoenix 2. Sameways 3. Donda - top 3 rap albums of the year
Context is important when assessing a mix: different styles of music have different sonic standards and audience expectations and they put the emphasis on different aspects of a track. A mix that doesn't fit the established genre standards could arguably be called objectively bad, if only because it clashes with the listener's expectations and draws attention to itself rather than serving the music... unless that is the artists' specific intention I suppose. That's the other side of the question: does the mix present the music as the artist *wants* it to be heard? Intentionality can make all kinds of shit acceptable. So I reckon the key to saying whether or not a mix is bad is firstly, comparing it to genre conventions, and secondly, making some assessment of whether or not some aspect of the mix that sticks out to you might plausibly be deliberate. That can certainly be the case when artists are blending different styles of music together.
Will Yip drives me insane with how low he mixes vocals.
It's so annoying thing to me when you say "this thing is [opinion]" and someone responds with "well you know that's subjective and just your opinion. Nothing is objectively [opinion]" and it's like... Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Great contribution to the conversation.
Deep voice Fantano is fucking asmr gold
I think it's very hard to make an absolute statement about what bad mixing is. Sometimes the clarity of something in a song is weaker for artistic affect. Think of the first song on Deafheaven's Sunbather. The vocals are barely noticeable and buried, yet it's for artistic affect.
A bad mix is one that doesn't serve, or worse yet actively interferes with, what the track is meant to achieve.
Usually, I don't care much about mixing as long as the vocals are pretty clear.
People: there is no objective bad music
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If your milk doesn’t taste very chocolatey and there’s a layer of syrup at the bottom of the glass, it’s poorly mixed
NIN’s Broken is a very loud, distorted, and phenomenally well mixed record.
"A pool shaped moon" felt like bad mixing, the instrumentals just overpowered the singer
It wasn’t until I started making beats that I understood what and how important mixing really is😂
There is such a thing as a bad mix, and I should know, I've made a more than a few of them. There are things which can be objectively measured that can make a bad mix, like having multi-miced instruments out of phase, poor gain staging, boosting a lot with a crappy EQ, doesn't translate to mono/other speakers. A lot of it depends on genre, however, as different types of music have different conventions as to what sounds good; slamming everything into compressors might be the way to go on a rock song, not so much on jazz, ect. Clarity as you mentioned is important, definitely one of the first things one should learn as a mixer is how to make sure you can hear all of the instruments; one of the main reasons the 2017 remix of David Bowie's Lodger album sounds better than the original is you can actually hear what the musicians are doing.
Clarity, however, is not all it's cracked up to be. Ever listen to Phil Spector music in stereo? It's a lot clearer, but it also totally ruins the wall of sound effect. Or for a more subtle example, listen to the 2019 remix of the Beatles' "Something" vs the original, during the guitar solo I find that the extra clarity is actually more of a distraction, and the smudginess of the original mix is much better. Or when you mentioned vocal levels, I thought of "Thursday" by Asobi Seksu; when I listen to that song, part of me wishes I could bump up the vocal bus by +1.5db, but I think the low vocal level adds to the hazy quality of the song which feels wonderful, like fog over mountains.
For me, the most important important aspect of a mix is coherence. The mix should sound whole, like one thing, the way a symphony orchestra sounds like one thing. A lot of that comes from composition and arranging, which is why songs from the 60s can sound great, despite being recorded on very primitive equipment. But from a mixing stand point that comes mostly from the two most important aspects of a mix: volume and tonal balance. Going back to the 60s, look at those old mixing consoles, they had volume, bass and treble controls, and just listen to what they did with them! To me, a bad mix (mostly my own) usually sounds like a bunch of elements that don't gel together.
some of my favorite songs have badly mixed sections. like Bury Me With It by Modest Mouse, it sounds like Isaac is screaming his lines from another room, and it really adds a sense of fury and detachedness to the song
As someone who does a lot of theatre (re?), I can see the dilemma drawn here too. Although there is always going to be a subjective element, there can always be analysis made things like the scenic design, lighting design, speed of transitions between scenes etc, and most glaringly for some, analysis about the acting, and all of these have an objective element in them in my opinion. Just like music, many of these elements depend on the context with which the criticism is had, thus bringing in the question of 'effectiveness' but still, the objectivity seems to remain. Intuitively this makes sense and proves itself to be true; we won't tell an actor who in inarticulate, two dimensional, and so on that they are just as good as the actor who had that role in NY (and this is ok, it's okay to be a novice, we all start somewhere, especially when it comes to academic theater)
Fantanos Sweater has a good presence in this colourful mix. Maybe up the high greens a little?
There's an acoustic guitar solo in the song Loser by 3 Doors Down that's an example of bad mixing because it's so buried. I'm not sure if it can be mixed well
A lot of distorted/noise music LIVES AND DIES on the mix. If you can't make all of the clashing tones and textures distinct, you really end up with music that just sounds like a mess. Animal Collective is a great example of a band that gets it really right a lot, but also sometimes toes the line with music where the vocals can feel non-existent and the instruments can clash without individual parts being super recognisable. Good mixes deserve a lot of respect!!
True, I have trouble mixing with distorted guitars
And Justice For All is a classic example of a bad mix, same with Iggy Pop's remix\master of Raw Power. Bad mixes exist and are pretty common.
Wild Heart - Current Joys. "Badly" mixed but beautiful in the atmosphere of the music.
Bad mixing is when all the marshmallows are at the bottom of me box of Lucky Charms.
Mixing is fun when you have great vocals. Literally all you have to do is not mess it up. Lol
I love the mix on I'm the Aeroplane Over the Sea, for example that brief audio clipping in Holland, 1945 when the band comes is just, such a nice touch. Even if by most standards it'd be bad to have a volume spike like that on a rock record
Bad mixing doesnt matter all that much. You can still understand the artist's vision in a bad mix. I think mixing influences our perception of a musical aesthetic, but not to an extent where a bad mix overrides the composition coming through
"Mixing.... FOREVER" yea it really feels like that sometimes
I like Cherry Bomb a lot and think the mixing lends itself to the album
an overabundance of 300hz, 5khz and 6khz make my ears cry
Even though I think you have had bad takes on what ‘bad mixing’ and ‘bad mastering’ are in reviews (particularly kasey musgraves recent album, which was mixed and mastered by people at the top of their game), this is a very concise video and does a great job of explaining it to non-engineers.
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It comes down to intent. If you can hear what they were going for but it’s not quite there, that’s a bad mix.
Most of the times Anthony says the mix is bad I disagree (for exm: Childish Gambino's "19.10", Daughter's "Not to disappear")
People need to understand that mixing and mastering engineers are under a lot of pressure when they are working on an album for some artist to make it sound the best to thier ability . They are humans too thus mistakes tend to happen. But I still don't know how they decided to release that astroworld track with such low volumes for nas's Verse because these final mixes and masters are sometimes heard by other engineers too for reference. Poor quality control issue ig
If I don’t like a song I always just add “mixed awfully” to sound smarter
I mixed some of my tracks "badly" on purpose - it was the way I envisioned them to sound...
some music shines from having bad mixing - like all lo-fi and some indie.
Nice quarter zip melon. Those quarter zips aren’t cheap. Solid flex.