In my opinion, for something like NAS SSDs, priority #1 is reliability (SSD must have end-to-end data protection with Power Loss Protection). This, in my book, eliminates majority of SSD right out of the bat. Most of those consumer SSDs are designed for system with battery (like laptop). We use NAS arrays to provide much better level of data protection than it's possible on desktop or laptop PC.
Just wanted to say thank you. Spent three days researching nas/mini PC/DIY solutions and prefering SSD's, this is the first time I have heard of the Linkstation. Fits my needs perfectly, and they started shipping last week. Keep up the good work! :D
Great list. Surprised that at least one Black Magic device didn't make the list for video editing? As a data (rather than video) guy I am waiting for my LincStation.
I’m curious about the pcie lanes. Pcie3x1 for a nvme sounds like a disaster in any build… but can any nas utilise more than that any way ? If a 10gbe can give you 1GB speed, and a few nvme in a raid (with 1GB speed each) is there any benefit to more pcie lanes per nvme ? Genuinely want to know this, from anyones real world experience. I want an all ssd nas, with 10gbe. And don’t want to compromise on that 10gbe performance.
14:07 (M2.NVMe PCIe Gen 4x1) x1 Lane speed itself is 2GB/s that is 16Gbps so even if you use the best methodolgy of external SSD data transfer into your system your input interface itself is the bottleneck As in, USB 3.2Gen2 having Max theoretical speed of (10Gbps) 1250MB/s Is the main bottle neck. Therefore even the aftermarket M2.NVMe adapters using just 1 lane of the NVMe still are faster than the current common input interface. Only after migrating to USB-4 Gen3×2 with theoretical max speeds of 40 Gbps maybe then we can utilize more than 1 lane. This is my current understanding. If I am incorrect kindly enlighten thanks
7 months later, I'm still sitting on the fence. I went with some SATA ssd 3.5 drives instead which I already had new, after watching real world comparison videos. The leap in speed was great from platter to SSD, but not so great from SSD to NVME. I turned out to be right, because once your computer is booted, most everything you load is a random small file here and there, and you're not going to notice a speed difference between SATA and NVME... at all. Even a big multi gigabyte sized game might only shave you off a second or two in load time. To be honest, that's probably where you will see your biggest gains, as a game drive. I've compared my SATA SSD write speed in video editing to a RAM drive and there is next to no difference... maybe 1s speed gain in a 3 minute video render. Even so, I still use the RAM drive just to cut down on the wear and tear on my SSDs. I put all my money into RAM instead and don't regret it.
Because these ssd drives saves to system memory first and caches. If you actually exhaust this buffer and cache then ram drive is much faster than the ssd
I have been given a QNAP TS-221. I would like to use it to backup my media, PC prgs as well as my CCTV cameras (Reolink 4K PTZ). Looking at what drive/s I should buy to go in it.
Considering that a few 2.5" SSD's will saturate a 10GBe network chip, NVMe's may be a bit of a waste of money. NVMe's do get hot, but a NAS made with them is likely to be small and portable. If you have Thunderbolt, then you may see an advantage of using NVMe's. Opt for more RAM before going the SSD route.
I got the Asustor 5404T in hopes of leveraging its 4 M.2 slots for great speeds. But even with link aggregating both 2.5G ports through a 10G switch, I absolutely cannot get more than 250MB/s upload to it. Download I can get 600, which totally checks out for maxing the connection. Maxed out the ram and everything. Is it just not really made to handle that kind of speeds? Driving me crazy.
Question about QTS hero OS. Does it now support adding an extra single drive to the array or can you still only add new arrays to expand the pool? Is there any way to migrate from qts to qts hero?
I rewatched the segment 10 times, and I still can't figure what kind of SSDs would better suit the flashtor 6. Do I NEED them to be gen 3, do I just pick the cheapest to TB ratio I can find an choose not to care about the other specs because of the bottleneck ?
@@nascompares I bought 2 Gen4x4 Lexar NM790 which were listed in the compatibility list on the Asustor website - is this overkill and a waste of money?? Also, to confirm the Pcie Lanes are 3x1 - will this create a bottleneck? @ammaq: thanks for asking the question here, I had been scouring the internet for an answer?
Saw this too late for the cheap lincstation, is it still worth it at £400(£100-£150 more than during the indigogo, difference would’ve covered a drive)?
It's still a good Nas, but the price increase definitely undermines it's appeal. Especially in the 6months since it's launch when a couple of great SSD NAS have arrived (the DXP480T and the new 3x m.2 Aoostar are good examples. More likely, lincstation is kinda forced to maintaining this RRP for now
@@nascompares thanks, I like the look of the ugreen one but I’m in the UK so can’t back it. What’s the model for the aoostar? Also can you use any ssd or does it have to be the nas specific one like with the hard disks?
Is there any chance that the next build set you do you’ll order more units than you need so we can order a kit from you or would that just not be cost effective or too much a headache for you? I’ve been seeing SSD data center drives (none used yet) that I’ve been curious about.
Tbh, I'm not hugely sure how legal that would be. I'm not a shop I retailer and using this platform for selling directly also feels a bit like it undermines my objectivity. I do point towards retailers in my videos (stating you should only go there if you planned to shop there anyway). I think that's as far as I can/will go. Hope that makes sense man
Doesn't Synology make any home SSD boxes? I have a friend who wants to be a back up buddy.. So I want to get the same brand so we can back up to each other's NAS's easily.
Right now and about the next 3 years, a mix drive NAS is still your best bet. Reliability comes 1st, tho enterprise-grade SSD have that, they are too expensive, and TB per dollar wise, SSD is still a bit behind HDD. But recent market changes can make a big difference, SSD could become something more than a cache drive, it could become the main drive like my old ZFS array setup, and HDD just become cold data storage.
Yes, I think you are right. At the moment I think it's the best to hav a mix drive nas where you do everything except backups on SSDs and backups or large files you rarely use are going on the HDDs.
Honestly this argument about using SSD to save power or using this or that "energy efficient " CPU that comes at big price premium, is a complete falsum. Every - single - time I hear that argument and I walk people through a proper power usage calculation vs hardware cost analysis its 8 to 11 years to break even and that is even for people in Scandinavia or Germany that have some of the most expensive electricity costs of any country globally. So for people in other countries its even more than 11 years, which is hilarious! You use SSD for one thing only - SPEED and for sensitive people , noise if you say anything else you are not honest
We should never support a company Synology, that restricts usage of drive types, also if they didn't do that in the past, they will have to find that out the hard way..
Any SSD NAS without 10 Gbps LAN and a CPU capable of saturating 10 Gbps LAN is just a stupid product that shouldn't exist. A regular HDD NAS with RAID can saturate 2.5 Gbps or close to it, so that makes a SSD NAS kneecapped by 2.5 Gbps LAN a huge waste of money.
no, no it isn't. There's more than just your use case. I for one couldn't care less about saturating a 2.5Gbps link. I want lots of storage with fail-safes. 10 Gbps is a huge waste of money (for my use case).
@@EJavierPaniaguaLaconich If you want lots of storage with failsafes, get a regular NAS and put 22 TB Iron Wolf Pro drives in it. The reason to use SSDs for storage is speed, because you’re trading away capacity and paying higher prices to get that speed. If it doesn’t have the speed, there’s literally no purpose to it. I don’t need that speed, that’s why I didn’t waste money on a bunch of SSDs that would be bottlenecked by my network.
repeating the same top gun clip over and over is dumb. Also, kickstarter type products do not belong in any NAS roundup. Save that for camera parts and stuff.
"The Best SSD NAS Drives of 2023/2024" - then proceeds to talk about enclosures, ffs lol. Please DON'T treat your viewers as braindead with dumb clickbait. As for SSD drives themselves, we're a long, long way away from replacing 20-40TB of HDD in our NAS setups, with SSD prices still eye-wateringly expensive at these capacities, unfortunately.
That linc Nas can take 2x8tb data Samsung. And that is the only one I checked. 6,8 mm And "even LTT said so" isn't saying much these days 😂😂😂 unsubbed LTT, rather watch good reviews without bullying 🤔
Yeah linus made lengthy and specific points in his latest video about the new macbook pros that started off Valid but voided themselves by being completely wrong. Not interpretation, opinion, hot take bs, just literally the opposite of the facts. It was so plain and obvious and self-contradicting that I really wonder bow how often the stuff he says is complete BS without me knowing better, despite labs, a team of writers, best practice proof reading protocols etc etc. Still fun but very little credible substance.
@@DMonZ1988 darn, missed that one, but not watching his smug face is worth it 😁 impressive, going back to publishing content and still getting things that wrong. Never mind he gets his views and sponsor income, he doesn't care. Watched that ass for years, rude awakening indeed
In my opinion, for something like NAS SSDs, priority #1 is reliability (SSD must have end-to-end data protection with Power Loss Protection). This, in my book, eliminates majority of SSD right out of the bat. Most of those consumer SSDs are designed for system with battery (like laptop). We use NAS arrays to provide much better level of data protection than it's possible on desktop or laptop PC.
Just wanted to say thank you. Spent three days researching nas/mini PC/DIY solutions and prefering SSD's, this is the first time I have heard of the Linkstation. Fits my needs perfectly, and they started shipping last week. Keep up the good work! :D
What would be the best one for Plex? Sharing between 6 to 8 family members.
It will be very interesting to see how the landscape changes for ALL SSD NAS units over the next 1 to 2 years!
Great list.
Surprised that at least one Black Magic device didn't make the list for video editing?
As a data (rather than video) guy I am waiting for my LincStation.
I’m curious about the pcie lanes. Pcie3x1 for a nvme sounds like a disaster in any build… but can any nas utilise more than that any way ?
If a 10gbe can give you 1GB speed, and a few nvme in a raid (with 1GB speed each) is there any benefit to more pcie lanes per nvme ?
Genuinely want to know this, from anyones real world experience.
I want an all ssd nas, with 10gbe. And don’t want to compromise on that 10gbe performance.
850 MB/ sec is now slouch…
14:07 (M2.NVMe PCIe Gen 4x1) x1 Lane speed itself is 2GB/s that is 16Gbps so even if you use the best methodolgy of external SSD data transfer into your system your input interface itself is the bottleneck As in, USB 3.2Gen2 having Max theoretical speed of (10Gbps) 1250MB/s Is the main bottle neck. Therefore even the aftermarket M2.NVMe adapters using just 1 lane of the NVMe still are faster than the current common input interface. Only after migrating to USB-4 Gen3×2 with theoretical max speeds of 40 Gbps maybe then we can utilize more than 1 lane. This is my current understanding. If I am incorrect kindly enlighten thanks
7 months later, I'm still sitting on the fence.
I went with some SATA ssd 3.5 drives instead which I already had new, after watching real world comparison videos. The leap in speed was great from platter to SSD, but not so great from SSD to NVME. I turned out to be right, because once your computer is booted, most everything you load is a random small file here and there, and you're not going to notice a speed difference between SATA and NVME... at all. Even a big multi gigabyte sized game might only shave you off a second or two in load time. To be honest, that's probably where you will see your biggest gains, as a game drive.
I've compared my SATA SSD write speed in video editing to a RAM drive and there is next to no difference... maybe 1s speed gain in a 3 minute video render. Even so, I still use the RAM drive just to cut down on the wear and tear on my SSDs. I put all my money into RAM instead and don't regret it.
Because these ssd drives saves to system memory first and caches. If you actually exhaust this buffer and cache then ram drive is much faster than the ssd
Loved your stuff for years... but some of it... I feel the need, the need to smash my head into my monitor if you say 'rockin'' one more time...
I have been given a QNAP TS-221. I would like to use it to backup my media, PC prgs as well as my CCTV cameras (Reolink 4K PTZ). Looking at what drive/s I should buy to go in it.
for big backup storage needs consider a hdd colocation service
Considering that a few 2.5" SSD's will saturate a 10GBe network chip, NVMe's may be a bit of a waste of money. NVMe's do get hot, but a NAS made with them is likely to be small and portable. If you have Thunderbolt, then you may see an advantage of using NVMe's. Opt for more RAM before going the SSD route.
Hi @NASCompares,
Which m.2 ssd x4 for a raid 5 would you recomend for the lincstation? Thanks in advance!
is xpenology good to use?
Ohhhh, this is the video I've been waiting for!
That TS-h1290FX is absolutely overkill for a home user. I want one! 💸
I got the Asustor 5404T in hopes of leveraging its 4 M.2 slots for great speeds. But even with link aggregating both 2.5G ports through a 10G switch, I absolutely cannot get more than 250MB/s upload to it. Download I can get 600, which totally checks out for maxing the connection. Maxed out the ram and everything. Is it just not really made to handle that kind of speeds? Driving me crazy.
Question about QTS hero OS. Does it now support adding an extra single drive to the array or can you still only add new arrays to expand the pool? Is there any way to migrate from qts to qts hero?
I rewatched the segment 10 times, and I still can't figure what kind of SSDs would better suit the flashtor 6. Do I NEED them to be gen 3, do I just pick the cheapest to TB ratio I can find an choose not to care about the other specs because of the bottleneck ?
Yep, Gen3. go for a drive with at least 0.3-0.4DWPD and where possible
@@nascompares I bought 2 Gen4x4 Lexar NM790 which were listed in the compatibility list on the Asustor website - is this overkill and a waste of money?? Also, to confirm the Pcie Lanes are 3x1 - will this create a bottleneck?
@ammaq: thanks for asking the question here, I had been scouring the internet for an answer?
Saw this too late for the cheap lincstation, is it still worth it at £400(£100-£150 more than during the indigogo, difference would’ve covered a drive)?
It's still a good Nas, but the price increase definitely undermines it's appeal. Especially in the 6months since it's launch when a couple of great SSD NAS have arrived (the DXP480T and the new 3x m.2 Aoostar are good examples. More likely, lincstation is kinda forced to maintaining this RRP for now
@@nascompares thanks, I like the look of the ugreen one but I’m in the UK so can’t back it. What’s the model for the aoostar?
Also can you use any ssd or does it have to be the nas specific one like with the hard disks?
Is there any chance that the next build set you do you’ll order more units than you need so we can order a kit from you or would that just not be cost effective or too much a headache for you? I’ve been seeing SSD data center drives (none used yet) that I’ve been curious about.
Tbh, I'm not hugely sure how legal that would be. I'm not a shop I retailer and using this platform for selling directly also feels a bit like it undermines my objectivity. I do point towards retailers in my videos (stating you should only go there if you planned to shop there anyway). I think that's as far as I can/will go. Hope that makes sense man
Thank you for replying. All fair points.
Hello its missing the U.2 drives to compare together...
Great video, a ton of knowledge and information but out of topic.....I was expecting to hear for SSD NOT for NVme SSD......
Doesn't Synology make any home SSD boxes? I have a friend who wants to be a back up buddy.. So I want to get the same brand so we can back up to each other's NAS's easily.
I'd be STAGGERED if Synology don't engage more seriously with the prosumer desktop flash market in 2024
Right now and about the next 3 years, a mix drive NAS is still your best bet.
Reliability comes 1st, tho enterprise-grade SSD have that, they are too expensive, and TB per dollar wise, SSD is still a bit behind HDD.
But recent market changes can make a big difference, SSD could become something more than a cache drive, it could become the main drive like my old ZFS array setup, and HDD just become cold data storage.
Yes, I think you are right. At the moment I think it's the best to hav a mix drive nas where you do everything except backups on SSDs and backups or large files you rarely use are going on the HDDs.
The reason why QNAP TBS-464-8G-US is not popular is due the price: $600.
Honestly this argument about using SSD to save power or using this or that "energy efficient " CPU that comes at big price premium, is a complete falsum. Every - single - time I hear that argument and I walk people through a proper power usage calculation vs hardware cost analysis its 8 to 11 years to break even and that is even for people in Scandinavia or Germany that have some of the most expensive electricity costs of any country globally. So for people in other countries its even more than 11 years, which is hilarious! You use SSD for one thing only - SPEED and for sensitive people , noise if you say anything else you are not honest
Saving power is important for those in low amp service, such as Tiny Houses and RVs (generally 30 or 50 amp).
We should never support a company Synology, that restricts usage of drive types, also if they didn't do that in the past, they will have to find that out the hard way..
Any SSD NAS without 10 Gbps LAN and a CPU capable of saturating 10 Gbps LAN is just a stupid product that shouldn't exist. A regular HDD NAS with RAID can saturate 2.5 Gbps or close to it, so that makes a SSD NAS kneecapped by 2.5 Gbps LAN a huge waste of money.
Power consumption?
@@Radek125 Irrelevant. The power savings from using SSDs instead of HDDs is negligible at best.
Problem is you need 4 PCIe lines for 10Gbit LAN and these Celerons has 8 to 9 PCIe lines only. 😢
no, no it isn't. There's more than just your use case.
I for one couldn't care less about saturating a 2.5Gbps link. I want lots of storage with fail-safes. 10 Gbps is a huge waste of money (for my use case).
@@EJavierPaniaguaLaconich If you want lots of storage with failsafes, get a regular NAS and put 22 TB Iron Wolf Pro drives in it. The reason to use SSDs for storage is speed, because you’re trading away capacity and paying higher prices to get that speed. If it doesn’t have the speed, there’s literally no purpose to it.
I don’t need that speed, that’s why I didn’t waste money on a bunch of SSDs that would be bottlenecked by my network.
repeating the same top gun clip over and over is dumb.
Also, kickstarter type products do not belong in any NAS roundup.
Save that for camera parts and stuff.
"The Best SSD NAS Drives of 2023/2024" - then proceeds to talk about enclosures, ffs lol. Please DON'T treat your viewers as braindead with dumb clickbait.
As for SSD drives themselves, we're a long, long way away from replacing 20-40TB of HDD in our NAS setups, with SSD prices still eye-wateringly expensive at these capacities, unfortunately.
That linc Nas can take 2x8tb data Samsung. And that is the only one I checked. 6,8 mm
And "even LTT said so" isn't saying much these days 😂😂😂 unsubbed LTT, rather watch good reviews without bullying 🤔
Yeah linus made lengthy and specific points in his latest video about the new macbook pros that started off Valid but voided themselves by being completely wrong.
Not interpretation, opinion, hot take bs, just literally the opposite of the facts.
It was so plain and obvious and self-contradicting that I really wonder bow how often the stuff he says is complete BS without me knowing better, despite labs, a team of writers, best practice proof reading protocols etc etc. Still fun but very little credible substance.
@@DMonZ1988 darn, missed that one, but not watching his smug face is worth it 😁 impressive, going back to publishing content and still getting things that wrong. Never mind he gets his views and sponsor income, he doesn't care.
Watched that ass for years, rude awakening indeed
FFS how do you run your already well greased gob for 32mins on this topic?? I'll be back when I have more patience.