I've been in the heating and air business for some thirty seven years and always new this could be done just new took the time nor had the experience with machining equipment. Good Job Young man, You should get a patent quickly!
Charles S. Lewis Baker (1859-1926) was an American inventor, who patented the friction heater. Born a slave freed after the civil war he went on to form a corporation that employed more than 50 skilled and unskilled workers. It was worth over 6 million in today's dollars.
I remember watching on the news in New England a guy inventor In the late 70s Was making these and selling them. He was using washer machine drums and the units were fairly large in a cabinet and the fan was built into them. It was billed on tv as the next big thing...then nothing he disappears.
One cool idea would be to power this of a couple of treadmill motors, one outside in a windmill and just wires coming down in the house to spin the other one witch would in turn spin the can, giving you a very simple free heat system. Thanx for sharing these vids.
@@gempjef1635 that s like saying “one of these days I’m going to get that old car out back on blocks running again”,,, circa the 50’s or 60’s. Never gets done.
A vastly underrated learning experience. Do you still use this system? Can you update this?. I am producing a hydro turbine specifically to be used in old water mills here in the UK - of which there are about 10,000. Using it to produce winter heating instead of electricity obviously allows for utility in a low tech mechanisim.
Post the plans!!! P.S. A downward fan mounted on the top of the shaft will circulate the hot air faster without any more power consumption. I also plan on building this using a DC motor running off my battery bank for my off-grid home, but only after you POST THE PLANS!!! Please? :)
Yes, that would make more sense. Maybe I just misunderstood your air routing method. I should have realized that if you are smart enough to make the heater, then you certainly know the proper way to route the air. I like your idea and plan to try it. I would like to place a unit like that within the central heat and air housing and use the existing swirl cage fan to circulate the heated air throughout the house. I would have to install another drive/belt etc from the swirl cage motor to spin the friction heater so that motor would serve two purposes. It would certainly lessen your noise problem. My home is about the same size but our winters are milder. Maybe a week or two in the single digits but mostly the lows are in the teens or twenties. I have been heating with wood. My old back is tired of splitting wood but my wallet prohibits constant heating with the existing heat pump. My heat bills have been as high as $350.00. Way too much. Thanks for the info and the great video. Please do more.
I was going to comment that a V-belt has some inefficiency to it, but then realised that the inefficiency is loss due to friction heat! That said, to reduce noise, why not mount motor and friction device in-line with a rubber coupling?
@ aykut sanzer, Can you please explain what you are trying to say about resistive power and reactive power. I am sure that anyone reading this would love to hear you explain this. From my understanding when metering power consumption you use Watts, Good day.
How is it that you need such a big one horse motor, and can get away with turning it so slow.? The plans I see advise to use a 3200 rpm motor, the painting can design. With the aluminum flashing on the outside canister, and 1/8;top and bottom., with holes tapped in the sides of the disks, for tapping and mounting the flashing.
I’m running mine on three quarters, a horse, and with a motor just like that, an air compressor motor. You hook up capacitors in series, only two wires each one , really the only logical way u would join multiple capacitors., next to each other, you would use the same rating uhf, I would think,
@@victoryfirst2878 mostly , people are saving on natural gas, or heating oil, if your in the n.e., for example. He said on a video , he was paying a dollar a day for electricity. Heating 1200 sq. Ft.
@@davidheater What exactly happened to this guy ??? I would love to make this heater if I had actual plans that are factual and work. One dollar a day is not that bad at all.
I would reverse the fan plan. Why would you want really hot air blowing across your drive motor? I thought the idea was to keep the motor cool and the heating coils hot.
This is a very old model, but if you think about it, what I am saying is start the air intake from the back side/ bottom of the motor " cooling the motor and warming the air" then moving that warm air over the heat core for the final heat output.
try just to run a car engine by craking the rotor long enough with the use of a ac motor and see if the whole engine heats up to very hot? pehaps you have to preheat the egine block before atempting this.
Thank you for sharing. I may have missed it, but what is the name of the silver motor on the right: friction motor= sorry don't understand ? Where can one find one of these silver friction motors ? Many thanks, love to drop my heating bills. Also, you did a good clearly explained video without all the camera shake~! Tx.
The object on the right of the motor on the left is the Friction Heater. As far as I know I am the only one making them for people. You can Email me about the info @ Frictionheater@hotmail.com
hi, i wanted to say that this is a good invention from charles Baker that can be adapted for green thermal energy with a VAWT vertical axis wind turbine to move the disk, and also salt as friction material against metal, using molten salt as PCM phase change material for latent heat source or heat storage. also you can improve insulation. this technology probably will be used in the near future.
It works ...congrats ...but Natural gas is better in cold climates....The greatest cost in heating your home is the fan motor ...not the heat source ( gas ) ...At minus 40 temps , that elec. motor would have to run nonstop...costing a fortune
Corrythew...my fan motor is half kW and runs about 50% at -40 while the burner uses 0.6 gals/hour heating oil. So $0.15 for electricity and 0.6 X $ 3.40 for oil.
oilpiggy I have a 1/2 hp motor that does not draw much power, and I think if you had a smaller unit with fins and the fan blade on the end with the motor direct drive and enclosed in a tube with would really be nice, I remember a spa a friend had it was called a "soft spa" that was heated only by coils of copper pipe wrapped around the motor housing the heated the spa water piping hot.
John Kneer There are some people who have my kits that run a .5 HP motors with no complaints. I have never been able to test the minimum HP because I just don't have that kind of resources for the R and D. With more support with every sell of a set of plans or a kit adds to the R and D of this system. There will come a day that we will not be burning and killing everything around us just to heat something that is a necessity for people in a everyday life. I will keep moving forward and thank you for your support.
how do I get plans or order a kit that I can assemble? and what is the cost of each? people really have no idea just how much gas, fuel oil, electricity and ect. that we waste, which is a lot! we have to change our way of thinking, and your drum heater is one thing they can use to do that.
...I am sorry, but how exactly are you heating your WHOLE 1200 sq foot house, with one dinky heating unit, located under the table in some corner of your house, without any apparent heat distribution, again? Sorry but that kind of claim that goes right in the face of any realism/critical thinking, kind of put doubts as to your other claims.
oilpiggy yeah, sure, because I haven't built anything... and your "magic" heat generating device, is "magically" spreading its "magic" heat, to the furthest corners of your house, by... well magic, of course! No radiation, no convection -just pure New Age heat. Ok, I know everything I needed to know here
Here is the Real stupid thing @ SirJMDDK , When did I ever say anything about over unity? Please post responsibly so you don't look foolish. Have a good Holiday.
this is a loud system for a home. this is never discussed. i would not recommend buiding this. they will not let him show you the exact system by his own word. his assembly video shows the discs rubbing, which is wrong, by HIS WORDS. this inaccurate ASSEMBLY video caused me a bunch of work and money;
I haven't even watched the whole video, but you're missing a BIG thing: your meter only counts for resistive power. BUT a motor mostly uses reactive power. So you think you have "free" energy, and that it's "safe" for the environment, whereas it's not at all true !...
purelyprimitives The amount of electricity it takes to run a motor is less than the amount it takes to run a baseboard heater. Yes the conversion is 100% but your statement of "The same electricity" is not true.
Right on fella to your statement. The 100 % conversion is the biggest lie ever put over on mankind. Baseboard electric heaters are just plain junk. You can take a 5 H.P. motor and run it at load (Work)and get heat output too.
I've been in the heating and air business for some thirty seven years and always new this could be done just new took the time nor had the experience with machining equipment. Good Job Young man, You should get a patent quickly!
I second this!!!
Charles S. Lewis Baker (1859-1926) was an American inventor, who patented the friction heater. Born a slave freed after the civil war he went on to form a corporation that employed more than 50 skilled and unskilled workers. It was worth over 6 million in today's dollars.
Great job oilpiggy! Thanks for sharing this video. I'm about 90% done with my friction heater very similar to this!
I remember watching on the news in New England a guy inventor In the late 70s
Was making these and selling them. He was using washer machine drums and the units were fairly large in a cabinet and the fan was built into them. It was billed on tv as the next big thing...then nothing he disappears.
Smart design and beautiful made, thank you for sharing. Is it possible to make a follow up video?
Very interesting project. Do you think built bigger could a water jacket be added with a circulation pump and used to heat a few radiators?
One cool idea would be to power this of a couple of treadmill motors, one outside in a windmill and just wires coming down in the house to spin the other one witch would in turn spin the can, giving you a very simple free heat system. Thanx for sharing these vids.
you can also use a plastic VAWT wind turbine to move the disks directly, without using electric energy but only mechanical friction energy
Someday when I have time Im gonna build this! Thanks for the videos!
Did you do it?
@@gempjef1635 that s like saying “one of these days I’m going to get that old car out back on blocks running again”,,, circa the 50’s or 60’s. Never gets done.
A vastly underrated learning experience. Do you still use this system? Can you update this?. I am producing a hydro turbine specifically to be used in old water mills here in the UK - of which there are about 10,000. Using it to produce winter heating instead of electricity obviously allows for utility in a low tech mechanisim.
Post the plans!!!
P.S. A downward fan mounted on the top of the shaft will circulate the hot air faster without any more power consumption.
I also plan on building this using a DC motor running off my battery bank for my off-grid home, but only after you POST THE PLANS!!!
Please? :)
Yes, that would make more sense. Maybe I just misunderstood your air routing method. I should have realized that if you are smart enough to make the heater, then you certainly know the proper way to route the air. I like your idea and plan to try it. I would like to place a unit like that within the central heat and air housing and use the existing swirl cage fan to circulate the heated air throughout the house. I would have to install another drive/belt etc from the swirl cage motor to spin the friction heater so that motor would serve two purposes. It would certainly lessen your noise problem. My home is about the same size but our winters are milder. Maybe a week or two in the single digits but mostly the lows are in the teens or twenties. I have been heating with wood. My old back is tired of splitting wood but my wallet prohibits constant heating with the existing heat pump. My heat bills have been as high as $350.00. Way too much. Thanks for the info and the great video. Please do more.
like I said this was a VERY old model..... if you watch the latest models or uploads you can see the up grades. Best of luck to you on your build
@@oilpiggy I would like to buy the new model Oilpiggy. Drop a line fella.
It might be more efficient, to build a water pump, with a cavitation rotor.
But that's just my opinion.
Can it cost a dollar a day? How much electricity does it use per day? Friction resistance takes power.
I was going to comment that a V-belt has some inefficiency to it, but then realised that the inefficiency is loss due to friction heat! That said, to reduce noise, why not mount motor and friction device in-line with a rubber coupling?
@ aykut sanzer, Can you please explain what you are trying to say about resistive power and reactive power. I am sure that anyone reading this would love to hear you explain this.
From my understanding when metering power consumption you use Watts,
Good day.
could you easily rig it to be powered by a stationary exercise bike
could you add some s-n-s-n magnets to the rotator, this would heat the metal with induction
How is it that you need such a big one horse motor, and can get away with turning it so slow.? The plans I see advise to use a 3200 rpm motor, the painting can design. With the aluminum flashing on the outside canister, and 1/8;top and bottom., with holes tapped in the sides of the disks, for tapping and mounting the flashing.
On a really cold day, how long or should I ask, how many hours in a twenty four period did it run ???? Thanks
A black man named Charles Baker invented the friction heater in the early 1900s. Is this different?
Will a one H.P handle the unit well ??? How are you going to use capacitors for more efficiency ???
I’m running mine on three quarters, a horse, and with a motor just like that, an air compressor motor. You hook up capacitors in series, only two wires each one , really the only logical way u would join multiple capacitors., next to each other, you would use the same rating uhf, I would think,
@@davidheater Would you know how much savings in electrical usage this would amount to David ??
@@victoryfirst2878 mostly , people are saving on natural gas, or heating oil, if your in the n.e., for example. He said on a video , he was paying a dollar a day for electricity. Heating 1200 sq. Ft.
@@davidheater What exactly happened to this guy ??? I would love to make this heater if I had actual plans that are factual and work. One dollar a day is not that bad at all.
I would reverse the fan plan. Why would you want really hot air blowing across your drive motor? I thought the idea was to keep the motor cool and the heating coils hot.
This is a very old model, but if you think about it, what I am saying is start the air intake from the back side/ bottom of the motor " cooling the motor and warming the air" then moving that warm air over the heat core for the final heat output.
try just to run a car engine by craking the rotor long enough with the use of a ac motor and see if the whole engine heats up to very hot? pehaps you have to preheat the egine block before atempting this.
Thank you for sharing. I may have missed it, but what is the name of the silver motor on the right: friction motor= sorry don't understand ?
Where can one find one of these silver friction motors ?
Many thanks, love to drop my heating bills.
Also, you did a good clearly explained video without all the camera shake~! Tx.
The object on the right of the motor on the left is the Friction Heater.
As far as I know I am the only one making them for people. You can Email me about the info @ Frictionheater@hotmail.com
hi, i wanted to say that this is a good invention from charles Baker that can be adapted for green thermal energy with a VAWT vertical axis wind turbine to move the disk, and also salt as friction material against metal, using molten salt as PCM phase change material for latent heat source or heat storage. also you can improve insulation.
this technology probably will be used in the near future.
why not make a air friciton heater that circulate oil in tubing to make a oil radiator heater?
How long takes to heat the house and you circulate the oil with a pump . What is the RPM on the oil pot!!
Any plans available, so we can duplicate this?
The biggest question I have, if you dont mind, how much money have you saved over the whole time with this? Ill bet its a ton.
It works ...congrats ...but Natural gas is better in cold climates....The greatest cost in heating your home is the fan motor ...not the heat source ( gas ) ...At minus 40 temps , that elec. motor would have to run nonstop...costing a fortune
Corrythew...my fan motor is half kW and runs about 50% at -40 while the burner uses 0.6 gals/hour heating oil. So $0.15 for electricity and 0.6 X $ 3.40 for oil.
what is the min HP rec to operate the heat drum?
Well that's a good question, and it really depends on the setup.
oilpiggy I have a 1/2 hp motor that does not draw much power, and I think if you had a smaller unit with fins and the fan blade on the end with the motor direct drive and enclosed in a tube with would really be nice, I remember a spa a friend had it was called a "soft spa" that was heated only by coils of copper pipe wrapped around the motor housing the heated the spa water piping hot.
John Kneer
There are some people who have my kits that run a .5 HP motors with no complaints.
I have never been able to test the minimum HP because I just don't have that kind of resources for the R and D.
With more support with every sell of a set of plans or a kit adds to the R and D of this system.
There will come a day that we will not be burning and killing everything around us just to heat something that is a necessity for people in a everyday life.
I will keep moving forward and thank you for your support.
how do I get plans or order a kit that I can assemble? and what is the cost of each? people really have no idea just how much gas, fuel oil, electricity and ect. that we waste, which is a lot! we have to change our way of thinking, and your drum heater is one thing they can use to do that.
I have the coffee table that goes with that table you have there, maybe we can make a trade for something?
still waiting for some feedback from people who purchased this heater...thanks
Simple physics not any more efficient than an electric heater with a fan
Is the email still working
do you make and sell these? thank you.
Yes I do. You can contact me through my email for more information.
add solar panels , and you can get off grid !
. . . OMG !
...I am sorry, but how exactly are you heating your WHOLE 1200 sq foot house, with one dinky heating unit, located under the table in some corner of your house, without any apparent heat distribution, again?
Sorry but that kind of claim that goes right in the face of any realism/critical thinking, kind of put doubts as to your other claims.
Build one, or anything and find out!..... Get off of the chair and do something, anything but nerd post on YT.
oilpiggy yeah, sure, because I haven't built anything... and your "magic" heat generating device, is "magically" spreading its "magic" heat, to the furthest corners of your house, by... well magic, of course! No radiation, no convection -just pure New Age heat. Ok, I know everything I needed to know here
SMH, requires electricity...
not possible
woodprix is full of awesome tips. Very helpful to me. Thanks
Here is the Real stupid thing @ SirJMDDK , When did I ever say anything about over unity?
Please post responsibly so you don't look foolish.
Have a good Holiday.
what kid of price for this unit
this is a loud system for a home. this is never discussed. i would not recommend buiding this. they will not let him show you the exact system by his own word. his assembly video shows the discs rubbing, which is wrong, by HIS WORDS. this inaccurate ASSEMBLY video caused me a bunch of work and money;
I haven't even watched the whole video, but you're missing a BIG thing: your meter only counts for resistive power. BUT a motor mostly uses reactive power. So you think you have "free" energy, and that it's "safe" for the environment, whereas it's not at all true !...
purelyprimitives The amount of electricity it takes to run a motor is less than the amount it takes to run a baseboard heater. Yes the conversion is 100% but your statement of "The same electricity" is not true.
Right on fella to your statement. The 100 % conversion is the biggest lie ever put over on mankind. Baseboard electric heaters are just plain junk. You can take a 5 H.P. motor and run it at load (Work)and get heat output too.