I enjoy watching your videos. But just a correction, the ticket price was 110,000 won plus 5,200 won for processing and shipping. I did buy the ticket and was planning to watch but it got cancelled 😅😅😅
Thanks for the info! I couldn't find anything other than that section on the ticketing website but that's more than I paid for EXO's fanmeeting in 2022 wow... no wonder the tickets weren't really moving
@@into_orbit Exactly. I don't really understand their pricing strategy. The ticket should've been around 50,000 won. 100k+ is the same as other concerts of real/debuted idol groups. Also, them checking the visa requirements after selling the tickets says a lot about their management capability. But yeah, I'll be watching the finale live at SBS Prism Tower tomorrow!
It's similar to what I paid for Itzy's concert in 2022 as well (132k won, got covid the day before...) which is just an astounding price for a survival show top16... I remember for Produce 101 Mnet held like a busking event (pretty sure it was free) for their semi-finalists as part of the promotional strategy. Perhaps the thought here was getting the fans of the other 8 there to see the final 8 perform their debut track?
I think out of all the contestants the ones who speaks fluent English were the most affected with Yona's elimination as she is also an English speaker heraelf. It just sums up that there is indeed a huge language barrier that hinders the girls attachment to one another
@@blessiemaepajarillo9688 Yes, the comment was implying that Yona was translating for the girls who didn't speak fluent Korean and were most affected by her elimination.
Considering the ones who got hurt are Gabi, Gehlee, Elisia and Jayla proves that it there must be more reason why Yona of all people was targeted. If shes to be eliminated, those who she actually helping (esp those who aren't fluent in Korean) must be the next to be targeted saying "They're weakness is their fluency in the language etc"
The dream girl team was just...uncomfortable to say. I can fully feel how much the producers wanted yona out and the voting system for elimination was disgusting, it's so unnecessarily mean for young girls at that :((
And she fits the KBS like she’s an absolute catch. Praying that she can go to a company that will appreciate her talent. But you can tell there is some Sinophobia going on.
Is she the one voted by her peers? Then, maybe, she’s not that good enough because they see her that way. 🤷 In a group you must know how to get along. That is important in a group so that you can endure the challenges you will go through in the future.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORDS ABOUT YONA IM SO PISSED HOW RIGGED CAN THIS SHOW BE SHE WAS 9TH IN VOTES LIKE HOWWWWW ..... IM DELUSIONAL BUT I HOPE SHE JUST GOT ELIMITED BECAUSE SHE PREPARES TO DEBUT IN HER AGENCY
Yona was 7-10 years older than the rest of her teammates, considering the age gap, it probably was hard connecting with younger members. If i were in her shoes, i just can't find myself hangingout with kids 10 years younger than me.
I am genuinely so upset with how this show is going. Two of my top 8 were eliminated solely because they got 1 part?! Not to mention Yonas evil editing... It was sad to see Yona and Eunhyung go, but i have to say that I praise how they left the show. A smile on their face and memories made, which made it bittersweet. I'm glad that our votes are working to get a more older dominant group. All the girls are really talented and show great potential for a girl group, they just need more time, and more importantly , finish their proper education. my top 8: Sumin, Sunwoo, Jinyeong, Yunah, Yuri, Haram, Elisia, Hyeonju fighting!
i agree with everything you said! im so glad that there is hope for this group finally 😭 my top 8: sumin, narumi, jinyeong, sunwoo, yuri, haram, hyeonju, elisia (because she's confirmed already)
i feel like when i was a kid, if i was in this situation I would also have voted for yona to leave, if me and all my friends were 14 and a random 23 or whatever year old was there too ofc I would have no emotional connection to her and vote her out over my friends. Its really a sad reality of the ages of kpop idols. I feel like fans who say ‘kpop idols who are minors know what they’re getting into’ ‘seowon is old enough she knows what’s going on in the industry’ etc etc are probably that age too, and knowing that tweens have the majority say in western kpop discourse is kind of disturbing to me. Not that its their faults but its very noticeable nowadays and it makes me a bit sad
Real tbh if I was them even if my friend SUCKED really bad I’d rather have them on the team than a more skilled older contestant. Not like it’s fair but it makes sense
Real. It's kinda sad, but it's true. If I was 14 and I was on a team with some 24 year old I would barely have any connection with them unless they were the mom of the group or something 🫤
I was so sad that Yona got rigged. Yona is probably one or the best vocalist on universe ticket and she's old enough un-like 12 year old Seowon.I agree that Seowon,Elisia and all the contestants are talented but they are so young ! (Spoiler) 7/8 of the debuted girls are minors and the youngest is twelve..Hyeonju ans Seowon have almost 10 years age gap,that's INSANE!
Could you imagine the amount of distrust for the surviving girl , that would have occured if the girls collectively voted for Girl A but the producers and mentors choose Girl B. This format is horrible
I am enraged because Yona deserved praise ever since her Tell Me and Nan performances and when she was given screentime, it had to be through evil editing and public humiliation from the contestants. The show is also so weird expecting certain people to shine on stage when they are given like 2-5 second lines, talk about fairness 😭
All i know is that elisha deserve that prism ticket...being 14 yo and having that non cry baby attitude deserve that ticket. Talent speaks louder than age.
i really hope they dont manipulate the votes because i kinda liked the fan voted line up, but sumin needs to make it she's 13 in fan votes??? wth people wake up and vote for my girl and for narumi too she served the whole show and yall give her 20th rank
iguess somewhat good news for any goo gyoryeon fans is that she might be debuting in jellyfish’s new group with kep1er’s dayeon once kep1 disbands. take this rumor with a grain of salt tho bc it is not confirmed.
I hope Yona at least knows that so many people were supporting her and really wanted her to debut and I really hope a companu snatches her up and she becomes successful
I'm with you with Yona's emotional interpretation. But I'm not with you that she and Nana are the only one that get it right. Hwang Sieun may pass because her poker face works here. Elisia also did her acting. Gehlee only smiled during her part which has a lyrics involving "smiles". Bae Haram, I guess you may say that she still exudes girl crush here but I will say that it's just her quality. But she still tries to portray that emotion. And lastly Kotoko, because for once, that girl is not being bright and sunshine in the perf despite her "glowing" hair. She was even gloomy if I've known better.
@@into_orbit That's why I said Sieun "may" pass, Elisia did her "acting", Gehlee "only" smiled at her part; Haram's "quality" and Kotoko being "gloomy". Do you consider those only an "expressions"? Maybe I'm a simple viewer coz I consider that as "interpretation". If you want me to elaborate it with voices and body languages, I'll do so. I watched Yona, Nana and Gehlee fancam/facecam multiple times. So far I believed they almost have the same "quality of performance" except that Nana has more lines, making it more "convincing". The worst for me here when it comes to "interpretation" is Seuwon. And you already explained why.
Yona is a great trainee. She's very, very talented and has great comm skills. But group dynamics is as important as talent in a girl group setup. If you have all those future members voting you out, that's saying something. She might not be the right fit for the group they have in mind. Still, there shouldve been no evil editing. People are impressionable, and this could very much ruin Yona's chances in her idol dream future.
I swear the only time Yona got a screentime is getting bashed by the other girlies and the judges. I noticed during the first elimination (episode 7) everyone had a speech after receiving their rank but Yona somehow wasn’t shown speaking, only Nizi
i think Yona is really meant to be eliminated, that might be the reason why the producer only gave her few lines so that people will not blame them why she’s eliminated because they could just claim people are sleeping on her, because if Yona will get more lines, and we all know she will slay, then people will question the result.
Yona did good since the VERY BEGINNING!! Her vocal in 'Tell me' was soo good I can't believe they would eliminate her because of her age that's just sad. Yona has the skill not many of the girls had and yet she didn't get to debut :( I hope she can mentally recover
yes omg I definitely agree how yona is the only one who understands the song I was Sad about how lm seowon got the chorus but she didn't manage to convey the meaning of the song
I think what Sejeong meant about judging based on amount of lines is that she knows that in a group, you battle it out between members to get lines based on vocal performance in the recording as it was showed in previous episodes and getting few lines means not performing as well in that part of the production. At least that's what I got from what she said.
nah thats messed up since things is left to the producer why bother performing at all in stage they should just lock them in recording and debut someone they like already. and producer taste is also subjective.
In the previous episode, yes, but in the recent episode, no, that makes no sense. Theres no way Nana can win in a battle of vocals in Dream Girls the like of Elisia Seowon Gehlee Yona, but she has the 2nd most lines, so I think the line distribution was already fixed by the producer before they gave it to them. Nana is a good performer; her stage presence carries what she lacks, but her vocals and dance are mid
@@heavensky8706what makes me wonder is the chokehold nana, younha and Kotoko have on the judges and producers? What do these girls have on them? 😂 They pushed them so hard.
One thing that we Observe this 2nd Promotion is,we voted to Hyeon-yu as we voted Elisia and Gelle!! They shocked us in the promotion,why Hyeon-ju is stay in I level,lower rank,we expect that she might be in R level/bruhh,,but yeah,it is what it is. We enjoy your review,,thank you❤👍✌️
27:34 i lurk a bit in one of the fan discords for this show, and someone theorized that they raised the cap for P rank so only elisia would get in and gehlee wouldn't (for this episode). so the statistics and numbers from this show are a bit fucked up all over the place
Yeah I've been seeing that same sentiment on the subreddit... it is inevitable that they'll be forced to pull something during the finale to get 6 other girls past 760k (Gehlee is pretty much a lock but the girls after her are at like 330k at most). My guess would be some kind of voting blitz before Gehlee's advancement gets announced ("for the next 30 minutes all votes are worth 3x" or something similar) as well as a hidden ticketing (probably live audience ticketing, might be a final unicorn vote)
i think they didnt debut gehlee yet because they need her fans to mass voting and they can clearly earn income from that, for now they have 4million votes already in fancast i think gehlee got atleast 1 million on that vote
Honestly, Yona getting eliminated was probably a blessing, otherwise she would debut with a bunch of children. I hope she debuts with a decent age group and is able to do thing with people her own age! On another note, Gehlee is basically guaranteed to make it but people on the pages I follow for this stuff are panicing and mass voting for her, like shes literally right there on the edge of debut I doubt she doesnt make it! Ive been giving all my votes to Narumi, Hyeonju and Sunwoo at this point because I feel like they need them the most. Good luck to everyone.
Also they changed the points needed to promote. Since Elisia and Gehlee would have been both promoted if the old format is going. So Nizi would be at #9 since she must be lower in fanvote than Yuri (#7). Idk what happen to Sujin's but basing on your calculation and a little adjustment, she would be #16, GGR #17 and LHR #18, with BYR and Jayla 21-22. That's the only reasonable way to explain it. Still the score format changing is so weird
😒I honestly I gave up on this show like I am not putting my self through this kind of stress! like excuse me!? 😟 But at the same time I really I’m tired of seeing kids debut without actually reliable and helpful adults to guide them in their life so 😔 I will try my best and keep voting
goo gyoryeon getting eliminated was honestly so disappointing, since she was my one pick after yewon. she is honestly one of the most well-rounded trainees there, with hella dance skills, vocals, and stage presence that always drew me in. she fit so many different concepts on this show. like the fact that she could do into the new world (that opening smile sold me) AND girls on top, which are practically polar opposites, is amazing. hopefully she gets a chance to debut (apparently jellyfish might be planning on debuting another girl group, so especially if she and kep1er's dayeon are in it, let's hope they don't fuck it up this time).
I am not the only one put off by that whisper part 😭i mean this is not about yunha but that was too many syllables to be put into a whisper part personally in my opinion
They moved the Level I requirement (Total) to 125,000 (Not 115,000). But the unicorn/producer ticketing recipients were given the old requirement (Narumi and Kotoko) - which was 150,000 Nizi - 99.9% of I 99.9% of 125000 is 124875 (Not the actual number of Nizi, But if we were to base on that number) 124875-53630 = 71245, which makes her eligible for 9th fan ticketing rankee.
i completely agree with you on the yona part. i brought up that exact phone point to many people, she literally wasn’t the only one. i don’t wanna be a hater but i don’t think i can watch the last episode. i was raging too much last one 😭
The "from ages of fifteen to SEVEN" had me legitimately gobsmacked. Fifteen should be the YOUNGEST age your company is auditioning, (thank you Gold Dust, Yona will always be famous), unless that trainee's name is Park Jihyo.
I totally agree on everything but not on NANA, she's talented and all but she clearly needs practice and help for her singing skill, let's face it if Yona got he bridge, it would be a whole lot better than Nana the only reason Nana stood out better than a lot of members is because she had MORE LINES and center moments, that's it.
the producers show what they want :( Sujin could be a contender for main vocal but they want Seowon and Sujin has been evil edited/poorly edited ever since. They want this to be a cutesy group I assume, so no screentime NOTHING for Jinyeong and Yuri, and Hyeonju's screentime is decreasing, and Sunwoo's screentime mainly focuses on her losing parts. I fully believe Narumi and Haram aren't people they want in their lineup, especially after they saw how big Haram's votes can be. and tbh I don't want Haram in the lineup either, knowing they won't be doing things she's best at. They had to get rid/poorly edit Nizi and Jayla because people would fall for them and that would mess up their vision of the group. They couldve gotten a killer performance group with the likes of Jayla, Narumi, Haram, Hyeonju, Sunwoo in one team but they don't want that. They want a cute group
I feel like Yona’s elimination is more of a political related stuff.. they got rid of all Chinese girls that actually did good performing.. i really hope Yona find her way up..
I think the producers chose those ppl instead of high rankers like nana, seowon and elisia because it will be a waste if they given it to high rankers who are mostly guaranteed to debut, right?
I could feel you almost cry at some points 😭 This made me cry because Yona didn’t deserve all the freaking hate 😢 I hate this whole stupid rigged show (I watch you cause you are funny and sarcastic) Yona was my bias since the beginning of the show, she deserves so much better
its not the whole country. some of the Filipino`s Don`t even know that there are Filipino Contestant on the show. they only notice it, when Elisia Got the P rank, and reach the local news media. i think its only the Filo-Kpop Fans that are Voting for the Filipino line. Gehlee and Elisia. i think also Belle the half korean Filipino.
that's not true and a tired narrative. there's no whole country voting for them, if there is the votes would be in the millions. 500k is considered low votes. filo fans are just very dedicated.
Universe ticket is not known here in the Philippines, and not everyone here is a K-pop fan, but filo-K-pop fans, I think are enough to take them to the top.
15:25 I thinj it was becasue bae yeram had less lines and I hate when the proudcers do this they dont give the girls as much lines as the others and except them to stand out or have a impact but how should they if they don't even speak and that goes for the girls
Fr, she had no lines from start, she also had no SCREENTIME..you literally had to search her on the screen. Plus the only time they gave us SCREENTIME is to mention “bae sistersl” Yeram barely got individual SCREENTIME or anything
They did Yona dirty. What would she do with one line? I wanted her Narumi and Jin HyeongJu to stay. The line up the show is pushing to us is kind of off. Seems like they just want kids in t
On Yona case, while I don't necessarily agree with the producers and judges, but how come the majority of the contestants have similar thoughts on Yona? If we ignore the editing choice, there has to be a reason why most contestants chose her. Unless they actually commented on everyone then the producers only picked the commentary for Yona?
We have to keep in mind that this was just a majority vote and there's 11 girls on Dream Girl, it's just as possible that she only got 3 votes and 5 others got 2 each or she got 3 and all the other girls got 1, even that she and another girl were tied with 3 (or more) and the producers made the final decision to eliminate her. It doesn't take a lot of votes for her to get the majority in the final stage vote and, as I mentioned, the judges' comments can heavily influence that. Meanwhile, for the interim, 3/15 of the YY team voted for her citing a lack of presence and they show a total of 6/15 of YY vote for her (but they use some editing to make it seem like more). As for her own team, they only show 6 of them (again, out of 15) vote for her. They could be the majority or there could be 7 people who voted for someone else but there were still 15 people on stage and it's even harder to stand out there than among 11. (also there's always the distant possibility that the girls voted out a producer favorite and the producers rigged it)
I think what they are trying to say is that at the end of the day 12/24 contestants chose Yona. Obviously, we don't know 100% of what's going on, I mean for all we know the producers could have told the girls to lie and vote for Yona even if they would vote someone else. BUT if that's not the case, we can't really discredit what the girls are saying, especially when they cited reasons other than presence (cause she dndnt get lines so duh), like her lack of focus and how Goo said that she really to say something but couldn't cause she was older. As much I REALLY think that this elimination happened cause Yona and Eunhyung both were getting high votes, these girls were together and practiced with Yona for quite some time behind the scenes on the show, and if they really thought that Yona deserved to stay the least, then we have to take that into consideration. @@into_orbit
The Dream of Girls team were most likely directed to portray a cheery attitude instead of a somber one. It's not a question of whether they understood the concept or not. Korean commenters picked up on this as well. It's quite evident since this was the general emotion kept by everyone in the group, even the fluent Korean speakers who fully understood the lyrics. They all did pretty well with that in consideration.
Tbh this show is expected to be this nasty. They didn't want to debut non korean trainee more than 3. Like wth blaming the girl who got one line??? Do you expect her to fight with her teammates after she was gangging up by the others???
THANK YOUUU SOOOOO MUCCHHHH for this about yona. She was hated from the start and I really believe it’s because she is Chinese and 24. They don’t care about talent. They have their biases.
I support haram with all my heart but it’s kinda obvious that she won’t be able to debut. It has been shown that she isn’t the unicorns favorite and she gets barely any lines, not to mention how low she is with fan votes. It’s really disappointing because she has proven her potential. I’m really upset how kotoko and some others are higher than many talented contestants. Kotoko has amazing charm and she improves each stage but will she be ready by debut? She has a great amount of potential and I would love to see her in the future. Another person is Sieun, she is obviously getting pushed to the debut lineup. I can’t seem to enjoy her performance, the same with gabi. I think it is so crazy how they eliminated Yona, she was in my debut lineup. She was by far one of the more talented contestants on this show. I believe they are just trying to get rid of all the older contestants because they want to debut minors. I feel so bad for these girls, they are constantly getting evil edited and I don’t believe that many of them are ready for debut. Becoming an idol takes a lot and they need to be ready for a lot of it. They need to be ready to not have as much lines or not be as popular and many other things. This show is truly a joke. My current top eight are 1.Haram, as I said before she is my fav contestant 2.Elisia, she is really talented and already going to debut 3.Sumin, she is talented, I’m happy she is finally getting recognized 4.Hyeonju, STAY STRONG GIRL, she’s so talented 5.Nana, she is so freaking talented 6.Sunwoo, girl is so underrated 7.Gehlee, she def needs training but she has great potential 8.Yoona, she is talented and she is finally getting recognized
I would also like to add I’m extremely uncomfortable with the ages of the possible girls to debut. It’s concerning that these girls might/are debuting are so young, especially with all the creeps out there.
@@-irene-29like it’s hard to think abt her debuting so young. The idol industry can be extremely toxic especially to young people. There are creeps,haters,bodyshamers,and the company may even put her on harmful diets. I hate to bring them up because it makes me so sad but think abt the idols who committed. They did that because of the industry and hate. The company clearly want younger people to debut because they want more attention from the creeps. She will be entering a toxic place that has haters. As she is already getting some hate by just being in a survival show think abt how much she will have when she debuts! Based on how upset she was when she got her lines taken from her it’s obvious she isn’t ready. She needs to be ready for the difficulties and right now she isn’t ready. She is extremely talented but it’s hard to think abt her debut when she is so young and could be put in a dangerous position.
Yona though yikes. The producers really seems to hate members older than 18. Good grief. Thank goodness that it's almost over. While I am holding out hope for Jin Hyeonju. I won't hold my breath. I am sad since this is apparently her last shot since she allegedly promised her parents that she will stop if her career as an idol lead to nowhere...
I recently learned that they shoot multiple times of the same performance so maybe the performance we're seeing and the judges are different.idk tho still upset she got eliminated, the ome that wasn't yona in the three votes was actually a safer elimination 😢 (the choices of the producers)
I know Yummy Yum is not a R18 song but it was so uncomfortable hearing Bang Yunha (a 14 year-old) sing "Ice on my wrist. Down on your knees". Like jfc that made me wince.
Like i totally don't understand with Yona part, Sejeong comment didn't make sense, like she do her short part really 2 well. Yuri part is the one that totally underwhelming and no presence despite her part should be memorable.😅.
yona was one of the best vocalist for the show i really wanted her to debut, as for eunhyung i really liked her, she was one of my favs but i know she wasnt the best at any skill, however, how was she supposed to do anything when she got 1.3 seconds on the last song and a single line in this song? i feel like the line distribution is made to elevate the favorites and bury the ones that they want to eliminate
I enjoy watching your videos. But just a correction, the ticket price was 110,000 won plus 5,200 won for processing and shipping.
I did buy the ticket and was planning to watch but it got cancelled 😅😅😅
Thanks for the info! I couldn't find anything other than that section on the ticketing website but that's more than I paid for EXO's fanmeeting in 2022 wow... no wonder the tickets weren't really moving
@@into_orbit Exactly. I don't really understand their pricing strategy. The ticket should've been around 50,000 won. 100k+ is the same as other concerts of real/debuted idol groups.
Also, them checking the visa requirements after selling the tickets says a lot about their management capability.
But yeah, I'll be watching the finale live at SBS Prism Tower tomorrow!
It's similar to what I paid for Itzy's concert in 2022 as well (132k won, got covid the day before...) which is just an astounding price for a survival show top16... I remember for Produce 101 Mnet held like a busking event (pretty sure it was free) for their semi-finalists as part of the promotional strategy. Perhaps the thought here was getting the fans of the other 8 there to see the final 8 perform their debut track?
I think out of all the contestants the ones who speaks fluent English were the most affected with Yona's elimination as she is also an English speaker heraelf. It just sums up that there is indeed a huge language barrier that hinders the girls attachment to one another
haram can speak english, that's why she must debuttttt
Yona speaks Korean very well
@@blessiemaepajarillo9688 Yes, the comment was implying that Yona was translating for the girls who didn't speak fluent Korean and were most affected by her elimination.
Seowon and of course Gabi can speak English very well
Considering the ones who got hurt are Gabi, Gehlee, Elisia and Jayla proves that it there must be more reason why Yona of all people was targeted. If shes to be eliminated, those who she actually helping (esp those who aren't fluent in Korean) must be the next to be targeted saying "They're weakness is their fluency in the language etc"
The dream girl team was just...uncomfortable to say. I can fully feel how much the producers wanted yona out and the voting system for elimination was disgusting, it's so unnecessarily mean for young girls at that :((
After that, they even pitch the sisters together knowing that 1 will be out. Like how cruel can you be?
YONA IS A MAIN VOCALIST, DANCER, LEADER, LANGUAGE EXPERT, EVERYTHING THE GROUP NEEDED HER AND WOULD GET MANY CHINESE FANS
And she fits the KBS like she’s an absolute catch. Praying that she can go to a company that will appreciate her talent. But you can tell there is some Sinophobia going on.
@Natji-uq9ewshe’s the oldest, she’s the most mature and she did amazingly as the leader in that one ep
Is she the one voted by her peers? Then, maybe, she’s not that good enough because they see her that way. 🤷 In a group you must know how to get along. That is important in a group so that you can endure the challenges you will go through in the future.
@@mae.mae.fr she looks like Ning Ning 😢
Yona is theee visual, she ate even tho she got such little lines.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORDS ABOUT YONA IM SO PISSED HOW RIGGED CAN THIS SHOW BE SHE WAS 9TH IN VOTES LIKE HOWWWWW ..... IM DELUSIONAL BUT I HOPE SHE JUST GOT ELIMITED BECAUSE SHE PREPARES TO DEBUT IN HER AGENCY
Yona was 7-10 years older than the rest of her teammates, considering the age gap, it probably was hard connecting with younger members. If i were in her shoes, i just can't find myself hangingout with kids 10 years younger than me.
Fr, like she’s twice Seowons age, how is she supposed to connect with her💀?
Agreee, hayss... Her and sunwoo they deserve better.
I am genuinely so upset with how this show is going. Two of my top 8 were eliminated solely because they got 1 part?! Not to mention Yonas evil editing... It was sad to see Yona and Eunhyung go, but i have to say that I praise how they left the show. A smile on their face and memories made, which made it bittersweet. I'm glad that our votes are working to get a more older dominant group. All the girls are really talented and show great potential for a girl group, they just need more time, and more importantly , finish their proper education. my top 8: Sumin, Sunwoo, Jinyeong, Yunah, Yuri, Haram, Elisia, Hyeonju fighting!
i agree with everything you said! im so glad that there is hope for this group finally 😭
my top 8: sumin, narumi, jinyeong, sunwoo, yuri, haram, hyeonju, elisia (because she's confirmed already)
Girl... None of my picks are left... Only exception is Narumi...
Yona literally got publicly stoned on a stake that episode.
voting for the girl's elimination is just so cruel
i feel like when i was a kid, if i was in this situation I would also have voted for yona to leave, if me and all my friends were 14 and a random 23 or whatever year old was there too ofc I would have no emotional connection to her and vote her out over my friends. Its really a sad reality of the ages of kpop idols. I feel like fans who say ‘kpop idols who are minors know what they’re getting into’ ‘seowon is old enough she knows what’s going on in the industry’ etc etc are probably that age too, and knowing that tweens have the majority say in western kpop discourse is kind of disturbing to me. Not that its their faults but its very noticeable nowadays and it makes me a bit sad
Real tbh if I was them even if my friend SUCKED really bad I’d rather have them on the team than a more skilled older contestant. Not like it’s fair but it makes sense
Real. It's kinda sad, but it's true. If I was 14 and I was on a team with some 24 year old I would barely have any connection with them unless they were the mom of the group or something 🫤
@@jimams_jamz5518 yeri and irene worked fine when they debuted
I was so sad that Yona got rigged. Yona is probably one or the best vocalist on universe ticket and she's old enough un-like 12 year old Seowon.I agree that Seowon,Elisia and all the contestants are talented but they are so young !
(Spoiler)
7/8 of the debuted girls are minors and the youngest is twelve..Hyeonju ans Seowon have almost 10 years age gap,that's INSANE!
Hoping Yona can debut in a better group. And I want you to be mean in the performance analysis.
Could you imagine the amount of distrust for the surviving girl , that would have occured if the girls collectively voted for Girl A but the producers and mentors choose Girl B.
This format is horrible
I am enraged because Yona deserved praise ever since her Tell Me and Nan performances and when she was given screentime, it had to be through evil editing and public humiliation from the contestants. The show is also so weird expecting certain people to shine on stage when they are given like 2-5 second lines, talk about fairness 😭
Bro I am so mad that yona got eliminated
the fact that fan ticketing has SO little effect on placement is crazy.. sunwoo, hyeonju, and jinyeong could be high up in rankings(they’re a NEED)
All i know is that elisha deserve that prism ticket...being 14 yo and having that non cry baby attitude deserve that ticket. Talent speaks louder than age.
What's wrong with crying? And did the show aired what they did 24/7 to say she didn't cry? Seowon, Nana, Gabi and other girls crying are valid.
@@Seowonie12there’s nothing wrong with crying. It’s just refreshing to see a headstrong young girl.
I honestly think Yona was ranked 9 But Since Sbs dont want adult contestants they had to eliminate her
it's actually so creepy why the industry desires young children more than actual adults
that's how messed up kpop industry is if you heard the main producer of these type of show you'll be creeped out@@-irene-29
"I'm not very good at math" I spent the last 5 minutes of video being the gif of the woman surrounded by formulas
i really hope they dont manipulate the votes because i kinda liked the fan voted line up, but sumin needs to make it she's 13 in fan votes??? wth people wake up and vote for my girl and for narumi too she served the whole show and yall give her 20th rank
iguess somewhat good news for any goo gyoryeon fans is that she might be debuting in jellyfish’s new group with kep1er’s dayeon once kep1 disbands.
take this rumor with a grain of salt tho bc it is not confirmed.
MANIFESTING BUT I HIGHKEY RLLY WANT HWR TO DEBUT W/ SUNWOO
I hope Yona at least knows that so many people were supporting her and really wanted her to debut and I really hope a companu snatches her up and she becomes successful
Gehlees line is harder than you think; actually, even Seowon at the end is breathing 2-3 times in the same line.
Right now Elisia and Gehlee voters are sparing votes for hyeonju we hope she makes it
Guy's we need to vote Hyeon-ju Solid,, she's a team leader .pls❤
SOLID HYEONJU HERE. I’m using 6 accounts to vote for her hehe
I'm with you with Yona's emotional interpretation. But I'm not with you that she and Nana are the only one that get it right. Hwang Sieun may pass because her poker face works here. Elisia also did her acting. Gehlee only smiled during her part which has a lyrics involving "smiles". Bae Haram, I guess you may say that she still exudes girl crush here but I will say that it's just her quality. But she still tries to portray that emotion. And lastly Kotoko, because for once, that girl is not being bright and sunshine in the perf despite her "glowing" hair. She was even gloomy if I've known better.
It's not just the expressions, it's also about the emotion in the voice and body language
@@into_orbit That's why I said Sieun "may" pass, Elisia did her "acting", Gehlee "only" smiled at her part; Haram's "quality" and Kotoko being "gloomy". Do you consider those only an "expressions"? Maybe I'm a simple viewer coz I consider that as "interpretation". If you want me to elaborate it with voices and body languages, I'll do so.
I watched Yona, Nana and Gehlee fancam/facecam multiple times. So far I believed they almost have the same "quality of performance" except that Nana has more lines, making it more "convincing".
The worst for me here when it comes to "interpretation" is Seuwon. And you already explained why.
Yona is a great trainee. She's very, very talented and has great comm skills. But group dynamics is as important as talent in a girl group setup. If you have all those future members voting you out, that's saying something. She might not be the right fit for the group they have in mind. Still, there shouldve been no evil editing. People are impressionable, and this could very much ruin Yona's chances in her idol dream future.
I swear the only time Yona got a screentime is getting bashed by the other girlies and the judges. I noticed during the first elimination (episode 7) everyone had a speech after receiving their rank but Yona somehow wasn’t shown speaking, only Nizi
i think Yona is really meant to be eliminated, that might be the reason why the producer only gave her few lines so that people will not blame them why she’s eliminated because they could just claim people are sleeping on her, because if Yona will get more lines, and we all know she will slay, then people will question the result.
Ghad... Yona deserves better. I hope to see her performing again. I can say the same for Jayla too.
Yes, your comments about the emotional understanding of the first performance I agree with. The girls were soo lacking
Yona did good since the VERY BEGINNING!! Her vocal in 'Tell me' was soo good I can't believe they would eliminate her because of her age that's just sad. Yona has the skill not many of the girls had and yet she didn't get to debut :( I hope she can mentally recover
So how does one “practice hard” when they’re given one line?.. 😂
Same thoughts. might as well skydive inside the building as an entrance. Now that's pretty hard to practice !
its giving Chowon in produce 48 final with her one line
I wanted Yona and Eunchae to debut 😭
yes omg I definitely agree how yona is the only one who understands the song I was Sad about how lm seowon got the chorus but she didn't manage to convey the meaning of the song
ATP IM JUST VOTING FOR SUNWOO AND HYUNGJOO SO THEY DEBUT IM NOT EVEN WATCHING THE FINAL
IM SORRY FOR THE SPAM IM STILL PISSED
Same, I'm circling them + Narumi and Gehlee
When Dream of Girls supposed to be Melancholic and Mellow then there's Seowon, *Beaming* 😂😂😂
I think what Sejeong meant about judging based on amount of lines is that she knows that in a group, you battle it out between members to get lines based on vocal performance in the recording as it was showed in previous episodes and getting few lines means not performing as well in that part of the production. At least that's what I got from what she said.
nah thats messed up since things is left to the producer why bother performing at all in stage they should just lock them in recording and debut someone they like already. and producer taste is also subjective.
In the previous episode, yes, but in the recent episode, no, that makes no sense. Theres no way Nana can win in a battle of vocals in Dream Girls the like of Elisia Seowon Gehlee Yona, but she has the 2nd most lines, so I think the line distribution was already fixed by the producer before they gave it to them.
Nana is a good performer; her stage presence carries what she lacks, but her vocals and dance are mid
So you're telling me Kotoko sings better than Yona?
@@heavensky8706what makes me wonder is the chokehold nana, younha and Kotoko have on the judges and producers? What do these girls have on them? 😂 They pushed them so hard.
icl the maths had me spinning but respect to u for being passionate towards how the girls are being done so dirty
One thing that we Observe this 2nd Promotion is,we voted to Hyeon-yu as we voted Elisia and Gelle!! They shocked us in the promotion,why Hyeon-ju is stay in I level,lower rank,we expect that she might be in R level/bruhh,,but yeah,it is what it is. We enjoy your review,,thank you❤👍✌️
27:34 i lurk a bit in one of the fan discords for this show, and someone theorized that they raised the cap for P rank so only elisia would get in and gehlee wouldn't (for this episode). so the statistics and numbers from this show are a bit fucked up all over the place
Yeah I've been seeing that same sentiment on the subreddit... it is inevitable that they'll be forced to pull something during the finale to get 6 other girls past 760k (Gehlee is pretty much a lock but the girls after her are at like 330k at most). My guess would be some kind of voting blitz before Gehlee's advancement gets announced ("for the next 30 minutes all votes are worth 3x" or something similar) as well as a hidden ticketing (probably live audience ticketing, might be a final unicorn vote)
probably because they don't want two filipinos to debut at once due to favoritism or something... Obviously gehlee will debut it's just sad
i think they didnt debut gehlee yet because they need her fans to mass voting and they can clearly earn income from that, for now they have 4million votes already in fancast i think gehlee got atleast 1 million on that vote
Honestly, Yona getting eliminated was probably a blessing, otherwise she would debut with a bunch of children. I hope she debuts with a decent age group and is able to do thing with people her own age! On another note, Gehlee is basically guaranteed to make it but people on the pages I follow for this stuff are panicing and mass voting for her, like shes literally right there on the edge of debut I doubt she doesnt make it! Ive been giving all my votes to Narumi, Hyeonju and Sunwoo at this point because I feel like they need them the most. Good luck to everyone.
Thank you for the honest reviews!
Been waiting for your uploads ever since the episode ended
Also they changed the points needed to promote. Since Elisia and Gehlee would have been both promoted if the old format is going. So Nizi would be at #9 since she must be lower in fanvote than Yuri (#7). Idk what happen to Sujin's but basing on your calculation and a little adjustment, she would be #16, GGR #17 and LHR #18, with BYR and Jayla 21-22. That's the only reasonable way to explain it. Still the score format changing is so weird
😒I honestly I gave up on this show like I am not putting my self through this kind of stress! like excuse me!? 😟 But at the same time I really I’m tired of seeing kids debut without actually reliable and helpful adults to guide them in their life so 😔 I will try my best and keep voting
Yona was definitely 9th place Or so i think because she has so many fans and it just saying eliminated it might just be her
goo gyoryeon getting eliminated was honestly so disappointing, since she was my one pick after yewon. she is honestly one of the most well-rounded trainees there, with hella dance skills, vocals, and stage presence that always drew me in. she fit so many different concepts on this show. like the fact that she could do into the new world (that opening smile sold me) AND girls on top, which are practically polar opposites, is amazing. hopefully she gets a chance to debut (apparently jellyfish might be planning on debuting another girl group, so especially if she and kep1er's dayeon are in it, let's hope they don't fuck it up this time).
I am not the only one put off by that whisper part 😭i mean this is not about yunha but that was too many syllables to be put into a whisper part personally in my opinion
They moved the Level I requirement (Total) to 125,000 (Not 115,000). But the unicorn/producer ticketing recipients were given the old requirement (Narumi and Kotoko) - which was 150,000
Nizi - 99.9% of I
99.9% of 125000 is 124875 (Not the actual number of Nizi, But if we were to base on that number)
124875-53630 = 71245, which makes her eligible for 9th fan ticketing rankee.
i completely agree with you on the yona part. i brought up that exact phone point to many people, she literally wasn’t the only one. i don’t wanna be a hater but i don’t think i can watch the last episode. i was raging too much last one 😭
The "from ages of fifteen to SEVEN" had me legitimately gobsmacked. Fifteen should be the YOUNGEST age your company is auditioning, (thank you Gold Dust, Yona will always be famous), unless that trainee's name is Park Jihyo.
I've been saying Gabi looks like Heejin since the Universe performance got released omg I feel so validated
Honestly, like children will have other chances.... Personally, I would make a rule to be over 14 to audition for a survival show.
I totally agree on everything but not on NANA, she's talented and all but she clearly needs practice and help for her singing skill, let's face it if Yona got he bridge, it would be a whole lot better than Nana the only reason Nana stood out better than a lot of members is because she had MORE LINES and center moments, that's it.
Finally....been waiting for this review❤❤
still waiting for your final review. you are the only one i trust with this survival pov.
The way on other channel posting ranks and people there calling yona "lazy" is insane even the creator liked it. Poor her
the producers show what they want :( Sujin could be a contender for main vocal but they want Seowon and Sujin has been evil edited/poorly edited ever since. They want this to be a cutesy group I assume, so no screentime NOTHING for Jinyeong and Yuri, and Hyeonju's screentime is decreasing, and Sunwoo's screentime mainly focuses on her losing parts.
I fully believe Narumi and Haram aren't people they want in their lineup, especially after they saw how big Haram's votes can be. and tbh I don't want Haram in the lineup either, knowing they won't be doing things she's best at. They had to get rid/poorly edit Nizi and Jayla because people would fall for them and that would mess up their vision of the group. They couldve gotten a killer performance group with the likes of Jayla, Narumi, Haram, Hyeonju, Sunwoo in one team but they don't want that. They want a cute group
YESSSSS was wait for your update all week! cheered when i saw this :)
Honestly, watching this saved me an hour and a half of pain, so thank you. Appreciate your honest thoughts on the show and math as well
Omgggg finallyyyy the drought is over!!!!!
I feel like Yona’s elimination is more of a political related stuff.. they got rid of all Chinese girls that actually did good performing.. i really hope Yona find her way up..
She would've made it in fan votes if she wasn't eliminated by the other team
I went full on mad on Twitter about Yona's elimination. It was just so unfair. The whole show was against her. It was so frustrating
I actually don't expect your video to be early, since I know how much you love Yona, same as me too.
My lineup
Haram
Narumi
Gehlee
Nana
Sumin
Yunha
Elisia
Sunwoo
😭 I doubt my whole lineup will debut but I do hope gehramz debut together
no hyeonju jail.😭
I'm so mad and frustrated I can't even reason - thank you for putting it out there so well!
I think the producers chose those ppl instead of high rankers like nana, seowon and elisia because it will be a waste if they given it to high rankers who are mostly guaranteed to debut, right?
I could feel you almost cry at some points 😭
This made me cry because Yona didn’t deserve all the freaking hate 😢
I hate this whole stupid rigged show (I watch you cause you are funny and sarcastic) Yona was my bias since the beginning of the show, she deserves so much better
I feel like it’s completely unprofessional for SBS to feature already eliminated contestants in the episode. There needs to be a better system.
I was waiting for your video after this episode actually eliminated all my favs
the advantage of elisia and gehlee is a whole country and some Sea are voting for them .
its not the whole country. some of the Filipino`s Don`t even know that there are Filipino Contestant on the show. they only notice it, when Elisia Got the P rank, and reach the local news media. i think its only the Filo-Kpop Fans that are Voting for the Filipino line. Gehlee and Elisia. i think also Belle the half korean Filipino.
that's not true and a tired narrative. there's no whole country voting for them, if there is the votes would be in the millions. 500k is considered low votes. filo fans are just very dedicated.
Universe ticket is not known here in the Philippines, and not everyone here is a K-pop fan, but filo-K-pop fans, I think are enough to take them to the top.
if media and influencer support this two i think the votes is higher than 500k
They are also voting for Hyeonju cause she's half Filipino so there's a chance her rank would skyrocket.
15:25 I thinj it was becasue bae yeram had less lines and I hate when the proudcers do this they dont give the girls as much lines as the others and except them to stand out or have a impact but how should they if they don't even speak and that goes for the girls
Fr, she had no lines from start, she also had no SCREENTIME..you literally had to search her on the screen. Plus the only time they gave us SCREENTIME is to mention “bae sistersl” Yeram barely got individual SCREENTIME or anything
They did Yona dirty. What would she do with one line? I wanted her Narumi and Jin HyeongJu to stay. The line up the show is pushing to us is kind of off. Seems like they just want kids in t
On Yona case, while I don't necessarily agree with the producers and judges, but how come the majority of the contestants have similar thoughts on Yona? If we ignore the editing choice, there has to be a reason why most contestants chose her. Unless they actually commented on everyone then the producers only picked the commentary for Yona?
We have to keep in mind that this was just a majority vote and there's 11 girls on Dream Girl, it's just as possible that she only got 3 votes and 5 others got 2 each or she got 3 and all the other girls got 1, even that she and another girl were tied with 3 (or more) and the producers made the final decision to eliminate her. It doesn't take a lot of votes for her to get the majority in the final stage vote and, as I mentioned, the judges' comments can heavily influence that. Meanwhile, for the interim, 3/15 of the YY team voted for her citing a lack of presence and they show a total of 6/15 of YY vote for her (but they use some editing to make it seem like more). As for her own team, they only show 6 of them (again, out of 15) vote for her. They could be the majority or there could be 7 people who voted for someone else but there were still 15 people on stage and it's even harder to stand out there than among 11. (also there's always the distant possibility that the girls voted out a producer favorite and the producers rigged it)
The Judges didn’t choose Yona. They chose Yuri.
I think what they are trying to say is that at the end of the day 12/24 contestants chose Yona. Obviously, we don't know 100% of what's going on, I mean for all we know the producers could have told the girls to lie and vote for Yona even if they would vote someone else. BUT if that's not the case, we can't really discredit what the girls are saying, especially when they cited reasons other than presence (cause she dndnt get lines so duh), like her lack of focus and how Goo said that she really to say something but couldn't cause she was older. As much I REALLY think that this elimination happened cause Yona and Eunhyung both were getting high votes, these girls were together and practiced with Yona for quite some time behind the scenes on the show, and if they really thought that Yona deserved to stay the least, then we have to take that into consideration. @@into_orbit
I agree, yona didnt deserve that
The Dream of Girls team were most likely directed to portray a cheery attitude instead of a somber one. It's not a question of whether they understood the concept or not. Korean commenters picked up on this as well. It's quite evident since this was the general emotion kept by everyone in the group, even the fluent Korean speakers who fully understood the lyrics. They all did pretty well with that in consideration.
Tbh this show is expected to be this nasty. They didn't want to debut non korean trainee more than 3. Like wth blaming the girl who got one line??? Do you expect her to fight with her teammates after she was gangging up by the others???
Elisia and Ghelee having half a million fan votes 😮😊
THANK YOUUU SOOOOO MUCCHHHH for this about yona. She was hated from the start and I really believe it’s because she is Chinese and 24. They don’t care about talent. They have their biases.
Yona was one of the most talented and skilled contestants, if not the most. This episode was so hard to watch.
THEY DID YONA DIRTY PERIOD.
I thought I was the only one thinking the dream girls is a sorrow song like rough, but the girls were smiling except fews.
I support haram with all my heart but it’s kinda obvious that she won’t be able to debut. It has been shown that she isn’t the unicorns favorite and she gets barely any lines, not to mention how low she is with fan votes. It’s really disappointing because she has proven her potential. I’m really upset how kotoko and some others are higher than many talented contestants. Kotoko has amazing charm and she improves each stage but will she be ready by debut? She has a great amount of potential and I would love to see her in the future. Another person is Sieun, she is obviously getting pushed to the debut lineup. I can’t seem to enjoy her performance, the same with gabi. I think it is so crazy how they eliminated Yona, she was in my debut lineup. She was by far one of the more talented contestants on this show. I believe they are just trying to get rid of all the older contestants because they want to debut minors. I feel so bad for these girls, they are constantly getting evil edited and I don’t believe that many of them are ready for debut. Becoming an idol takes a lot and they need to be ready for a lot of it. They need to be ready to not have as much lines or not be as popular and many other things. This show is truly a joke. My current top eight are
1.Haram, as I said before she is my fav contestant
2.Elisia, she is really talented and already going to debut
3.Sumin, she is talented, I’m happy she is finally getting recognized
4.Hyeonju, STAY STRONG GIRL, she’s so talented
5.Nana, she is so freaking talented
6.Sunwoo, girl is so underrated
7.Gehlee, she def needs training but she has great potential
8.Yoona, she is talented and she is finally getting recognized
I would also like to add I’m extremely uncomfortable with the ages of the possible girls to debut. It’s concerning that these girls might/are debuting are so young, especially with all the creeps out there.
I don't think I'll be comfortable with Seowon debuting either
@@-irene-29like it’s hard to think abt her debuting so young. The idol industry can be extremely toxic especially to young people. There are creeps,haters,bodyshamers,and the company may even put her on harmful diets. I hate to bring them up because it makes me so sad but think abt the idols who committed. They did that because of the industry and hate. The company clearly want younger people to debut because they want more attention from the creeps. She will be entering a toxic place that has haters. As she is already getting some hate by just being in a survival show think abt how much she will have when she debuts! Based on how upset she was when she got her lines taken from her it’s obvious she isn’t ready. She needs to be ready for the difficulties and right now she isn’t ready. She is extremely talented but it’s hard to think abt her debut when she is so young and could be put in a dangerous position.
omg, finally! I've been waiting for this video for so long
Btw the goofing off girls were Heo Sunbin and Lee Eunchae, the eliminated girls before they knew they were eliminated.
Yea,seriously how is Yona supposed to practice hard while her part is Tadrdrdr tadrdrdr + 2
Am I wrong if I say that Kotoko doesn't impress me at all? I want Nana and Narumi to debut instead of her
Same especially her vocals.
Hoping for narumi and nana to debut ❤
I just realized there is no Chinese finalist in UT.
On an unrelated note. I missed Lovelyz...
Yona though yikes. The producers really seems to hate members older than 18. Good grief. Thank goodness that it's almost over. While I am holding out hope for Jin Hyeonju. I won't hold my breath. I am sad since this is apparently her last shot since she allegedly promised her parents that she will stop if her career as an idol lead to nowhere...
Lovelyz ❤❤❤
It's always against the Chinese trainees
People continue to underestimate Oh Yoona.
They should do it on Live audiences voting not the contestant, literally mental breakdown to its peak . Poor Yona her elimination doesn’t feel right.
I recently learned that they shoot multiple times of the same performance so maybe the performance we're seeing and the judges are different.idk tho still upset she got eliminated, the ome that wasn't yona in the three votes was actually a safer elimination 😢 (the choices of the producers)
base on the age of the R and I , i think they gonna go hard in yhe japanese market
I know Yummy Yum is not a R18 song but it was so uncomfortable hearing Bang Yunha (a 14 year-old) sing "Ice on my wrist. Down on your knees". Like jfc that made me wince.
I really wanted sunwoo to make it for some more older members 😭😭😭
24:38 i thought you said "among the four of them, one will make it to prison" XD didn't even question it untill it hit me you said PRISM
episode 9 was crazy
Like i totally don't understand with Yona part, Sejeong comment didn't make sense, like she do her short part really 2 well. Yuri part is the one that totally underwhelming and no presence despite her part should be memorable.😅.
yona was one of the best vocalist for the show i really wanted her to debut, as for eunhyung i really liked her, she was one of my favs but i know she wasnt the best at any skill, however, how was she supposed to do anything when she got 1.3 seconds on the last song and a single line in this song? i feel like the line distribution is made to elevate the favorites and bury the ones that they want to eliminate