The Sub-10, Sub-20, and Sub-44 Sprinters Club...Who's Next?

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  • Опубликовано: 27 янв 2025

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  • @AllInTheGame01
    @AllInTheGame01 18 дней назад +26

    Fairly confident Bolt would've at least dipped under 43.5s had he taken it seriously given his background as a quarter-miler. The 2010 off-yr would've been perfect for him to go after the 400m esp with how easily he ran 30.97 in his sole 300m race in May '10, wish he'd gone back into training afterwards for about 6wks then spent the rest of Jul - Aug running 3 - 4 400m races. Wouldn't mind seeing Steven Gardiner (10.35/19.75/43.48) trying to run at least sub 10.1s, but he's so injury-prone! Fellow Bahamians Wanya McCoy (10.02/19.93/45.91i) & Terrence Jones (9.91/19.87 & 46.29 when he was 17yrs old) could both do it IF they wanted to which is always half the battle, BAH with Shaunae (10.98/21.74/48.36) has great combo sprinter talents on its hands! Jacory Patterson (10.11/20.14/44.81) 2-3yrs ago had the makings of a guy who was going to run 9.99/19.99/43.99 as a bare minimum, been so disappointed with his development :( Tebogo, Kenny, Rai & Ogando are guys I hope all go for it over the next yr or two 🤞 Someone needs to grab Josephus (10.03/19.93/45.09), shake him & tell him to go back to the 400m to fulfil his potential as a sub 44s quarter-miler!

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад +3

      Yea I essentially agree, he would have been 43-mid or so. I think if that 300m race in 2010 was a 400m, he would have run it then. After injury in 2010 though, I think that window closed considering how he dealt with injuries on an off for the remainder of his career.
      Gardiner and Norman honestly should be much higher up these lists but their injuries have prevented them from doing so. I wouldn't be surprised if Tebogo runs 43.3 in the 400m before Norman or Gardiner go faster in the 100/200.
      When looking at the list I was so surprised to see Jacory Patterson here cause I completely forgot how talented he was (still is!). If he can get things together, her could be a serious threat for not only making teams, but also medaling. He'll still only be 25 years old this year!

    • @AllInTheGame01
      @AllInTheGame01 18 дней назад +2

      @@TheFinalLeg I remember watching Jacory as a Gator in that flawless form of his run the indoor NCAA 31.99 300m Record 3yrs ago this month destroying his previous 32.28 record from when he was @Virginia Tech & thinking he's going to go on to do even more impressive things! Won't be shocked if there hasn't been noticeable progress by the end of the '25 season to see him follow Allison, Diggs & Willie out of Gainesville & maybe join the latter two @Empire Athletics.

    • @Brave-828
      @Brave-828 17 дней назад

      @@AllInTheGame01 I think Josephus has way too much muscle to run the 400m. He’s bigger and taller than Lyles. It appears his best fit is the 200m but it’s the US. Way too much competition. As for Jacory, he doesn’t have the dawg in him. Talent alone is not enough

    • @jhadebredenkamp97
      @jhadebredenkamp97 17 дней назад

      Okay but he didn't so keep it moving LMAOO

    • @cookiemonsteryummyyumz
      @cookiemonsteryummyyumz 17 дней назад +1

      Agreed, Bolt had serious potential considering the fact that in 2003 he ran the then WYB of 20.13 over the 200m and also ran the then 4th fastest 400m for a youth at the age of 16/17 which is insane even in today's context

  • @xaviercorniel26
    @xaviercorniel26 18 дней назад +11

    Great video! My only pushback would be that Blake’s 19.26 should not have been the WR because it isn’t. Your reaction to the starting gun is apart of the race.

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад +11

      Yea, my point in saying that it "should" have been the WR is that he "should" have reacted to the gun and gotten out quick. Your 100% right that its not the WR and reaction times, starts, transitions, top end, even injuries, health, false starts etc are all part of a race and an athletes career that they have to navigate through to ensure they have the best race ever
      Appreciate you!

  • @Neofolis
    @Neofolis 18 дней назад +6

    The main reasons that this is such an elite club is that sprinters generally don't focus on more than two of the three distances, which means the 3rd distance is run very infrequently. When you think how elite you have to be to run sub 10, 20 or 44 individually, to do that in an event that you don't usually compete in and don't specifically train for, etc. you are likely to need perfect conditions, which is made that much less likely, if you run it infrequently.
    Fred Kerley is an exception here, because he went from the 400m being his main event, down to the shorter sprints, which means he was exclusively training for the 400m when he was running sub 44's and competing regularly in the event. Fred is not unique in this, as Usain did the same, but obviously switched before he had reached anywhere near his 400m potential. We have also seen Shericka do the same on the women's side.
    Then there's Letsile Tebogo, who seems the most likely 4th member of the club, who just seems to be able to run ridiculously fast at any sprint distance whether he trains for it or not and probably wouldn't even need conditions to be that good to run a sub 44.
    At the other end of the spectrum is Rai Benjamin who doesn't train for or run any of the sprints regularly, so for him to be as close as he is when none of the sprints are his main discipline is incredible.

  • @k.o6157
    @k.o6157 18 дней назад +12

    Tebogo prolly will run
    9.7 or 9.6
    19.10
    42.9x
    200m and 400m is alr on lock
    But the 100m he has a magnificent start and top end all he needs is to fix his transition..his 30m to 60m transition phase needs work ...acceleration can help thats where Noah Lyles strength is the 30 to 60m acceleration because he improved the over the 60m...Thant why he was able to reel in coleman in the 60m...

    • @10msplits
      @10msplits 18 дней назад +1

      Have him pack on a bit more muscle and we'll see some stuff with Tebogo in 100m!

    • @k.o6157
      @k.o6157 18 дней назад

      ​@@10msplitsYes but not too much if he can just accelerate he is good

    • @Christian-se5si
      @Christian-se5si 18 дней назад

      word. Tebogos transition needs to be smoother.

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад +4

      I think Tebogo in 2025 can very realistically run 9.7, 19.2, and 43.8. The only thing is which will he chose to focus on as we go towards World Champs. Will he do the 100/200 double again, or will he take a stab at the 400m? Not sure but he has such a high ceiling in all the events.

    • @AthleticsEditz
      @AthleticsEditz 17 дней назад +1

      As somewhat of a (unbiased) Tebogo fan, I don’t think he’s ever running 9.6x over 100m. He’s not got the raw speed for it unfortunately as I would love for him (or anyone) to run 9.6 - keep an eye out for Kishane! 19.10 for 200m is pushing it since he’d have to go out in UNDER 10.00 (his best 0-100m so far is 10.12 from Paris) and then close in UNDER 9.15 - I think he is capable of that but not after a 10 flat first 100m. At some point he might go 19.2 or even 19.1, given the right circumstances and I’m predicting him to go 19.3x in 2025! For the 400m, he’s definitely capable of a sub-43.5 at SOME point and that 43.0 4x4 split whilst training for the 100 and 200m, on tired legs, shows that for sure. Tebogo doesn’t want too much muscle as it might hinder his 200m abilities (cough, cough, Noah Lyles) although maybe a bit of muscle might help him over 100m? His 6.41 0-60m from Rome really was impressive!

  • @wilhelmw3455
    @wilhelmw3455 17 дней назад +3

    Rai Benjamin is possibly the most talented all around sprinter in term performances if you include the hurdles.

  • @AthleticsEditz
    @AthleticsEditz 17 дней назад +1

    5:59 Yohan Blake is still an active athlete so he can also be in bold! Same with Makwala (I think, so correct me if I’m wrong for him) but again, he’s not running lots.
    In terms of who I think’ll be the next athlete to be in the subx10/20/44 club, it’d got to be Tebogo. He’s got a sub-44 in him for sure and I’m even willing to bet he’ll get it either in 2025 or 2026 (he has the opportunity to run the 200/400m double at the World Ultimate Championships in 2026!), and he could become the first athlete to go sub-9.8/19.5/43.5 in the future imho! Kenny B and Rai B could also join the sub-10/20/44 club in 2026 if they wanted since they’re probably capable of sub-44, if they trained for it (specifically Kenny since Rai already runs that distance).

  • @littlescone1034
    @littlescone1034 16 дней назад

    You talked about wanting to see athletes dip their toes in other events. I totally agree. Here are some races that I would definitely watch.
    Grant Holloway in the 400mh or the 200m
    Rai Benjamin in the 110mh
    Jakob in the 800
    Quincy Hall in the 400mh (its not really a new event for him but it would be interesting to see how the 43 second speed carries over to the hurdles)
    Femke Bol in the 800m
    Caleb dean in the 400m (people often forget how fast his 60m is)

  • @CarlFredrik-uo1cu
    @CarlFredrik-uo1cu 18 дней назад +8

    How many people have broken both 10.00 in the 100m and 13.00 in the 110m hurdles? Omar McLeod is the only one I can think of.

    • @seensay2132
      @seensay2132 18 дней назад +5

      He might stand alone. Though on raw 100 foot speed, Terrence Trammell should’ve made the list as The Great Renaldo Nehemiah likely would’ve. There’s a direct quote posted to Wiki from Evelyn Ashford’s coach saying he should’ve been the world’s first under 9.9

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад +6

      @@seensay2132 Yea Omar is the only one. But great call out on Terrence Trammell. He was probably the fastest hurdler in history IMO. Maybe Grant could be in there if he actually wanted to try the 100m.
      Renaldo was a beast!

    • @seensay2132
      @seensay2132 18 дней назад

      @ Trammell got 3rd in the 60 at 2006 Indoor Worlds in Moscow! Will go as far as to say he underachieved with his superior speed

    • @CarlFredrik-uo1cu
      @CarlFredrik-uo1cu 18 дней назад +4

      Colin Jackson was a stellar 60m runner. He had 6.49 if I remember correctly. Really explosive guy and he pushed the 60m hurdles a big leap forward (Moved the WR from 7.36 to 7.30 in one race)
      (I think he had 10.29 in the 100m, but he probably didn't focus much on that. 12.91 in the 110m hurdles)

    • @nsxperformance
      @nsxperformance 18 дней назад +1

      @@seensay2132Yes Pat Connolly did say that about Nehemiah. He also has a 19.4 anchor in a 4x2 from 1979 Penn. Possible sub20 man also with full focus on the deuce

  • @onemanband101-u2z
    @onemanband101-u2z 17 дней назад +1

    Agree that Tebogo is probably the next member, followed by Benjamin. As you said, this is based on their relay splits in the 4x400 final in Paris. Johnson probably should have made it, especially with a 19.32. Would the female equivalent be sub 11, sub 22, and sub 49? Also, it would be interesting to look into pure fast twitch 60m/100m sprinters like Su Bingtian and endurance based 400m/800m runners like Emmanuel Korir.

  • @severtone263
    @severtone263 17 дней назад +1

    I am willing to bet Tebogo is the next member of this exclusive club

  • @Lonzology
    @Lonzology 18 дней назад +9

    Tebogo. All I can say

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад +1

      Yea I should have been running sub 10, sub 20, sub 44 like yesterday.

  • @apoloniuskemahs9394
    @apoloniuskemahs9394 17 дней назад +1

    Anderson, you see this list. It will be ruled by those who STARTED OUT as quarter milers; Fred, Michael, Wayde, Letsile. They have an edge switching from 400 to 100 compared to those who started out in the 100. Others who have potential include Rai, Kenneth, Erriyon because they are good in the 200.

  • @nsxperformance
    @nsxperformance 18 дней назад

    I had Jereem at 10.31+9.49 in 2022 CWG Final where he PR'd 19.80 (Longines only gave splits to tenth values and had 10.3).. sub10 is out there, but having run 10.19 in his only outing over the event last year, a full campaign could see him threaten sub10

  • @LeaBolante
    @LeaBolante 17 дней назад +1

    Very confident that Tebogo will join the club sooner than later. But holding on hope for Rai Benjamin and Kenny B! I can see Tebogo proving Lyles and Kerley wrong in the 100 though

  • @distanceman8147
    @distanceman8147 18 дней назад +1

    I do not expect Wade Van Niekerk to make any strides on this list. Tobogo and Norman has better opportunities to move up. I very much would like to see guys compete outside of their usual event! Instant excitement.

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад

      Agreed, would have loved to see Wayde improve, but I think that might be it at this point in his career. Tebogo is in the driver seat in terms of guys who will likely join the club. Norman, once he gets over his injury issues, could also be one of the top guys here on the list.
      I want to see Tebogo, Norman, Kerley, Kenny, Jereem, Rai all in a 300m race!

    • @distanceman8147
      @distanceman8147 18 дней назад

      @TheFinalLeg I would pay to see that race! That's the kind of thing track needs. Excitement from within!!!

    • @AthleticsEditz
      @AthleticsEditz 17 дней назад

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@TheFinalLegTHAT would be a great race! I’m pretty sure there might be something possibly being set up with Kerley, Hudson-Smith, Tebogo and someone else running a 300m race which would most likely result in a world record! Kerley has 43.6 400 and 9.7 100m strength/speed; Hudson-Smith had 43.4 400m strength with a FAST first 300 (cough, Paris) and Tebogo obviously has his 9.8/19.4/30.6/44.2*/43.0* 100/200/300/400/4x4 speed/strength as well! If you were to throw in Norman, Kenny, Richardson and Rai then you’ve got 7 guys who are all great 100 and/or 200 and/or 400m athletes all competing over 300m!

  • @ammo444
    @ammo444 18 дней назад +2

    With the shape Rai was in last season he could have joined this elite club.

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад +2

      I agree. We obviously know his 44.21 is not indicative of his true 400m form, and the fact that he has run 10.03 almost 5 years ago now, he should have BEEN in the sub 10/20/44 club

  • @user-fi2tl9zc9k
    @user-fi2tl9zc9k 3 дня назад

    I think the next will be Erriyon Knighton and/or Kenny Bednarek. Noah Lyles could also do it if he ever decided to train for the 400...Noah could literally jog a 21.0 200m.

  • @garfieldferdinand242
    @garfieldferdinand242 17 дней назад +1

    Tebogo next

  • @aaronday305
    @aaronday305 15 дней назад

    Tobogo is DEFINITELY up next. Rai is also capable, but i dnt believe he will attempt it

  • @certifiedchaos4643
    @certifiedchaos4643 14 дней назад

    Tebogo definetly
    I think Aaron brown from Canada probably could do i think he could run a sub 44. He ran a smooth 45 raw without practice
    Joe fahnbulleh could do it as well he has the build for it

  • @seensay2132
    @seensay2132 18 дней назад +4

    Will say it loud. If Noah takes a season or two focused on the quarter? He’ll go sub44 💯💯

    • @k4ppaa
      @k4ppaa 18 дней назад

      No💯💯

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад +4

      I think 2-3 seasons of FULL 200/400m training can get him close there. But the problem is he hasnt been a 400m runner in any capacity. For example, Jereem only started running the 400m globally and focusing on it at championships in like 2022, before then his PB was only 45.2. But within 2 years he got all the way down to 43.7. But Jereem has always been a 200/400 runner, going back to his youth days running the 4x4 for trinidad at the 2012 world indoor championships. Noah has not touched an open 400 since high school. but he has the talent for sure

    • @dereckdean578
      @dereckdean578 17 дней назад

      @seensay2132 Yeah right, that'll happen once chickens grow teeth, Skippy ! 😂

  • @ndokwanwoko8019
    @ndokwanwoko8019 17 дней назад +1

    Hasn't Letsile run 9.86?

    • @severtone263
      @severtone263 17 дней назад

      He has, but he isnt a sub 44 yet

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  16 дней назад +1

      Yea I made the update in the video, mistake on my part

  • @CedwitdatMed
    @CedwitdatMed 18 дней назад +1

    is fred kerly the best out of thst club?

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад +2

      yea essentially. His 100m of 9.76 really helps his case, and then his 19.76 is not too far behind Norman, along with his 43.64. But Letsile Tebogo might have the most upside of anyone who is currently active right now.

  • @doudleyJ
    @doudleyJ 17 дней назад

    Letsile Tebogo going to join that club easily

  • @jaredstepp7921
    @jaredstepp7921 17 дней назад

    I will certinaly get hated on for this comment. But I think Matthew Boling is the next guy to do it. He's focusing on the 400 now, and that's the only one he needs to check off the list. He's clearly got the speed to go sub-44. It's a matter of putting in the work for that speed endurance. He might legitimately be next. There I said it.

  • @jhadebredenkamp97
    @jhadebredenkamp97 17 дней назад

    Wayde the GOAT from my home country🇿🇦🐐
    If you wanna know how to do long sprints, come to Southern Africa. Even Letsile and Frankie Fredericks will tell y'all LMAOOOO😙🌝🇿🇦🇧🇼

  • @AthleticsEditz
    @AthleticsEditz 17 дней назад

    7:02 What crime did you commit, Anderson?!?!

  • @mxRian4
    @mxRian4 18 дней назад

    🙌🏾♥️🙌🏾

  • @Christian-se5si
    @Christian-se5si 18 дней назад

    bolt could have had every world record from the 60 to the 400.

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад

      60m? Hmmm🤔 I agree with 400m though
      Remember, were talking indoors in March, not outoors in August. So even if he had fast splits in his 100m races, Its different in many aspects, IMO.

  • @martinrossiter8714
    @martinrossiter8714 3 часа назад

    Matt Hudson-Smith could definitely go close to 20 dead in the 200m. Sub 10, probably not, maybe 10.3. It would put him up there though Maybe top 20.

  • @sandyacombs
    @sandyacombs 18 дней назад +3

    I think if you really want to find the greatest all around sprinter then you need to factor in the 60m as well, and only Fred Kerley, of this group has run sub 6.60, having run 6.55. Bolt may have been able to run a faster 400m, but I doubt he would have run a sub 6.60 in the 60m. If quickness is a factor in sprinting then the 60m must be factored into the over-all score.

    • @DODO-cb6gq
      @DODO-cb6gq 18 дней назад +10

      So Bolt can split a 6.31 60m but you don’t think he could have gone sub 6.60 in the open 60?

    • @tak0331
      @tak0331 18 дней назад +1

      Nah, 100/200/400 is all we need. If we want to say 60m dudes are “quicker”, no problem - that’s a difference conversation.

    • @sandyacombs
      @sandyacombs 18 дней назад

      @@DODO-cb6gq Well, you have point, he has run some amazing 60m splits.

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад +5

      I think Bolt was almost certainly sub 6.50, and likely sub 6.40. Hes run some fast 60m splits outdoors that indicate he would have been able to go fast indoors as well. I dont think he would have broken 6.34 like Coleman, but I think at minimum if Noah can get to 6.43, Bolt can get to AT LEAST 6.40

  • @user-fi2tl9zc9k
    @user-fi2tl9zc9k 3 дня назад

    No doubt Jareem Richards can go sub 10 in the 100m. No doubt!!

  • @RyuBlaze24
    @RyuBlaze24 17 дней назад

    Boiling

    • @Brave-828
      @Brave-828 17 дней назад

      I think his confidence has since taken a major hit. Might retire in the next year or two

    • @RyuBlaze24
      @RyuBlaze24 17 дней назад +2

      @ he ran prs in the 400 last year what are you smoking? Multiple 44’s…. He was in the us final….

  • @apoloniuskemahs9394
    @apoloniuskemahs9394 17 дней назад

    I don't value this ranking you displayed, Usain shouldn't be in number 1 unless it's just random. Letsile is going to be on top of that exclusive list.

  • @k.o6157
    @k.o6157 18 дней назад

    I believe Fred could have run 9.6 in the past i just see 9.7 again cause age is catching up and controversy is surrounding him..

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад +1

      Maybe, his 2022 season was crazy with all the 9.7s he ran. I think if he was healthy throughout 2023, he could have very likely hit the 9.7 low range for sure

  • @ninz5250
    @ninz5250 18 дней назад +1

    Has any woman ever gone sub-50, sub-22, and sub-11?

    • @TheFinalLeg
      @TheFinalLeg  18 дней назад +3

      A bunch have done it:
      Marita Koch
      Shericka Jackson
      Shaunae Miller-Uibo
      Allyson Felix
      Gwen Torrence
      Marie Jose Perec
      Valerie Brisco Hooks
      Irena Privalova
      Barbel Wockel
      Gabby Thomas is close as she has run 11.00. She'll probably go sub-11 this year

    • @timmytheinventor4746
      @timmytheinventor4746 18 дней назад

      @@TheFinalLeg Wow. Most of them are sub 49 too off the top of my head

    • @AthleticsEditz
      @AthleticsEditz 17 дней назад

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@TheFinalLegWhat about sub-11/sub-22/sub-49? I mean from your list obviously Koch and Miller-Uibo have done it (I know their 400m PB’s off the top of my head lol) but who else (presumably from that list)?!

    • @erinwilson5415
      @erinwilson5415 16 дней назад

      @AthleticsEditzand and Perec

    • @AthleticsEditz
      @AthleticsEditz 16 дней назад

      @@erinwilson5415 So just those 3 then?