Beloved was my second book that I read; Tar Baby was the first. Toni wrote so beautifully that it was hard to put down any of her books. Song of Solomon and Sula I read afterwards. The Bluest Eye opened my eyes to the cruelty of white people towards Blacks in America. It definitely opened my eyes as a white woman. Beloved is my favourite but I have read most of her books. RIP dear Toni, I will miss your writings!
@HeyLookItsLou I accidently spelt a "y" instead of an "i." Or should I say, "I accedently spelled a "y" instead of an "i"? Whatever the case, Toni Morrison didn't advance philosophy. She didn't create a new genre. She does indeed suck. There I said it. I guess I suffer from the racist gene because I don't like a black author. Indeed, I am prejudice. Someone notify mother Puritan up north and tell on me.
Clearly people that don't like this book haven't done any true critical analysis of the text. Have you read the timelines, do you understand the true genius of this work? She skips all over the place on purpose and her intent is to leave you dizzy trying to figure out what trip you just went on. Guess what, you rode in a ship's hull during the Middle Passage! You witnessed the terrible dissociations that occur when people are abused and demeaned for over a century. And you've heard another side of history from the subjective perspective of the enslaved rather than the White men who justified the enslavement of millions of people. Instead most people put this book down thinking they just read a really confusing ghost story. Some of us are just stuck in our white paradigms. And that's cool, be you! But it is worth every minute to put the pieces of this Beloved puzzle together. Toni Morrison is a literary hero and a beautiful woman!
April Albrecht what about those people in Africa who sold slaves to white people in the 1st place? The same holy book that was used to justify slavery was also the one that was used to justify abolition. Of the American population who owned slaves, it never exceeded 5%, if memory serves. And the 1st person to ever own an African slave from colonial times was a another black person.
Beloved touches a wide spectrum and myriad of human psyche and warped ways of life in which we allow ourselves to be distorted by. I know the main focal point was slavery but I also took away from it the harsh reality of the chains and enslaving of our own guilt, shame, failure, stubbornness, or inability to learn or move forward from our mistakes which in turn ties itself back to the inhumane and unimaginable suffering that has been done to our own species, by our own society. It is the Great American Novel but one that should be viewed and relished to help us right the future, not just as a page to the past...
A true national treasure. Her writing will be studied and cherished for all time. I aspire to be a novelist, an artist, an historian, a truth-teller following in her footsteps. ''I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved." Rom. 9:25.
I think people don't realize in good waiting and in acting you have to develop an actual relationship with the characters and allow them to come forward.
I think that's a complete injustice to her work. That's like saying Hemmingway is only hyped because he was an alcoholic or James Joyce is only famous because he is Irish..
Beloved: I love this movie soooooo much that I watch it at least twice a week. This movie was soooooo underrated. It had some AWESOME scenes that should have won this movie an Oscar. The AWESOME scenes: the men dancing, the hanging if her mom, how Beloved was standing up against the bug infested tree, how Denver was making her and Beloved some sweet bread, how Oprah was walking with Denver and Beloved to the dancing ground where Baby Suggs preached, and the most AWESOME sex scene ever in American movie history is when Beloved was telling Danny Glover, "put it where the open part is." When she said that I flipped. That is great acting to its finest!!!! The entire staff played their roles SPECTACULARLY!!!!
I am studying Beloved and its translation in French, and I really enjoy it, even if the atmosphere of this story is very "heavy"... She's just amazing!
@MisterNifty Just saying she sucks is not enough. Anybody could say that. Just because you don't like her, everyone else who does likes her only likes her because she is black and a woman and writes about race relations? That's just stupid. You need to get out of your trailer park in the south and realize Morrison is read all over the world, not just in the northeast or Europe. And I have a suspicion that you prefer a dumb-down type of writing. I guess you would hate Faulkner too.
The country needs more black writers. This was pretty good. I get so tired of the rape drugs pimp movies. Mr Pip was my favorite. I read both the books. Black people along with other nations races have given so much more than just rape & drugs gangs. Message from a king. Hes good actor but another rape drug movie. Wheres the imagination creativity? Toni is fantastic & hero. We need more family movies for children
do you realize you're fighting with everyone else on here? I understand your opinion towards her, but there is no point in trying to argue an author who is globally accepted as an exceptional writer. I would merely suggest you keep your strong sentiments to yourself. You simply look crazy.
Is anyone else trying to piece together the argument in the comments? There was a huge argument and someone deleted their initial comment so everything attached to it just scattered. It would be helpful if they remained together under a single comment but it would just say [comment deleted]
What is all this it doesn't speak to me, it's for this one and that one? Are you a human being? Do you not love people? Empathy is the invisible hand that brings us together. Until you can love people, you can't join the party.
That's a rather simplistic description of sophism. Sophists are people who argue well even if what they are arguing isn't necessarily true. What is Morrison arguing? How is she a sophist?
I wonder if you'd expand on your opinion with some concrete points. Why do you believe this book is not worthy of its reputation? What about it disgusts you so much? I also wonder if you'd list some literature that you believe to be genuinely praiseworthy.
I am not sure how you've come to the conclusion that it's a feeble work of garbage. Beyond the issues of slavery that it takes on, it takes on larger themes and discussions ex. human condition without community, isolation from others and from one's own emotions. She explores the intricacies of the mother daughter relationship. She also gives her own voice to themes that other famous American literature has explored as well, elements of the supernatural, manipulations of narrative etc.
@MisterNifty Just saying she sucks is not enough. Anybody could say that. Just because you don't like her, everyone else who does likes her only likes her because she is black and a woman and writes about race relations? That's just stupid. You need to get out of your trailer park in the south and realize Morrison is read all over the world, not just in the northeast or Europe. And I have a suspicion that you prefer a dumb-down type of writing. I guess you would hate Faulkner too.
How is it possible that Beloved, born in Kentucky and murdered by her mother Sethe at less than a month old is familiar with the experience of being on a slave ship?
I've read several analyses of this novel and they all stated that Beloved is not just a physical representation of the ghost of Sethes grown up 'dead baby." Sethe thinks that all she is but she's also an amalgamation of the ghosts of the 'hundred million or more' enslaved Africans who died in slave ships during the middle passage. So she has all manner of memories a baby certainly wouldnt remember and talks about more on that in the book but wasnt shown or explained in the movie. The novel alludes to that specifically in Beloved's narration to Denver when Denver asked her 'what was it like when you were on the other side?' Beloved describes a 'hot, dark, crouching place, with no space to turn around, dead bodies on top of her, rats and men without skin (white men) touching her. So shes not just talking like a baby ghost being dead in the ground before coming back to life, she's talking about the horrific experience of being chained on a slave ship. I first read this novel 25 years ago when I was in the 12th grade and it was scary and very confusing. I ended up with a Bachelors degree in African History and studied Afr. American history as well so I understand a lot more about the content of the story years later. Its still just as haunting, chilling, sad and intense as it was then but easier to comprehend when re-reading it again and re-watching the movie. P.s. 'Beloved' was a over a year old when she was murdered (the month old baby at the time of Beloved's murder was Denver.) And... Technically the murdered child's name wasnt actually 'Beloved', the book never says her actual name; shes only referred to as the "crawling already!" baby girl, and at the funeral after the minister says Dearly Beloved to the people, Sethe has sex with a stone mason in exchange for a headstone for the baby's grave and for him to carve the word Beloved on it since she has no money.
@@brownfoxx76 thank you for this insightful comment . what is tthe relevance/the importance of Beloved (the novel) now ? (other than giving the reader the chance to read abt slavery, middle passage )
@@johndeagle4389 I never said that nobody knew her name or that she didn't have a name, I said that her name wasn't ever mentioned in the novel and that was done on purpose. Of course she had a name but it was forgotten by everyone; the events surrounding her death were so horrible that her own mother constantly tried to block the memories of her but her presence as a ghost forced Sethe and everyone else to remember her existance. All of the people who were enslaved had actual names but their names were forgotten over time and they are always simply clumped together as 'slaves' but they were individual human beings with names, families and a story.
Morrison rips off William Faulkner's The Sound and the Fury in the following passage from Beloved: We are not crouching now we are standing but my legs are like my dead man’s eyes I cannot fall because there is no room to the men without skin are making loud noises I am not dead the bread is sea-colored I am too hungry to eat it the man closes my eyes those able to die are in a pile (p. 211)
@DnBDoctor And what's she doin' bro? Is she singin' up dah' blues? Is she down wit' jazz? If there ain't no philosophy, then she ain't' nuttin' but sophistication blowing in the wind. Is she chopping up chiffarobes? Is she ankle deep in the world of meaning? Yep. In the end, Toni Morrison couldn't wash Samuel Clemen's dishes even if she were using her own tears as soap. Now, how is that for writing!
MisterNifty Stupid, that's how it is. A legend in your own mind. If you can write, do it in some real way and prove it, don't blather on RUclips. What college did you go to? Because you would flunk out of Dumbarse U, I think. Also, what do chifforobes have to do with anything? Alliteration is the weakest form of writing, although, I just relearned a word, maybe you would make it through Dummy U after all.
@caliking100 You should have seen how horrible things had been for African Americans back when they were still under bondage in Africa. Their AAfrican masters would line twelve African po po's (African slaves) and then sell them for a single horse. Before getting on the ship, the twelve had to draw straws to see which man or woman was the one who got sold for the horse's butt. (I have a day job)
@1adrian1969 Bul! SH#T. Please, get yourself an education. Trying reading the book instead of feeling it. Look, would you rather be treated like an animal or piece of crap? In America, the slaves (Slavs, Slavics) were taken in as family members in many cases. Back in Africa, they were worth 1/12th of a horse as the master class in Africa sold a dozen souls for a single horse.
@Juwar1974 Excuse me? I have already posted above how this woman's writing is totally devoid of any philosophy. Back her up with some philosophy. How has she advanced the social contract theory? She doesn't take any position as she has stated she is neither patriarchial or matriarchial. In other words, she is a typical Sophist. What is a sophist? Well, it is an eloquent someone devoid of anything philosophical.
MisterNifty The definition of sophistry does not include philosophy. Sophists were philosophers that went wrong, and the word means "the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving." "Sophistry is reasoning that seems plausible on a superficial level but is actually unsound, or reasoning that is used to deceive." You, in actuality, are using sophistry here! That's because you're trying to justify slavery by putting out irrelevant points as well as distorting definitions. I mean, okay, I take some of your points. Africans sold slaves. Maybe conditions were awful at times in Africa, too. Another point of view is not unwelcome - to me, anyhow (admittedly a white person) - because sometimes some responsibility is called for among all the whining, blaming and bleeding hearts. It has to be okay to criticize, sometimes, when criticism is due. But you can't hate a whole people. You can't remotely discount their suffering. Maybe all anger should go in the dustbin, and people should just focus on the now, I dunno.
It can't be masterful literature when everyone is afraid to judge her work honestly. In University, I wasn't afraid to address this point. Is Toni Morrison any good or is everyone afraid of being called a racist? I mean, how can one tell? My English professor from Canada ran out of the room to avoid addressing this issue. Writing about prejudice is the best ruse in the world if your are an Afro American of color.
I came in here trying to be critical of Toni Morrison. In University, we criticized Shakespeare, Cervantes, and Samuel Clemens. What was a weakness in Plato's dialogues? Have any of you even read a Platonic dialogue for cripes sake! Just how deep is your understanding philosophically speaking or are you just a typical sophist? Toni Morrison can't rise above petty tripe. First off, she is a woman. Second, she is a person of color who has never had too because of mother Puritan up north.
MisterNifty You are full of vitriol and stupid, bathetic hate. What's more, you can criticize her if you want to. Go ahead and do it! Few popular writers are perfect. Look at Anne Tyler. Still, people enjoy and are reached by them. It's easy to criticize, writing is a lot harder.
Who here typed in "How to pronounce Sethe in Beloved" and came across this video?
I didn't type it but that is EXACTLY the reason I'm here!
OH MY GOD YES. i am here for this.
In the movie I though they said, "Santa
that's funny, I came here this way exactly :)
what the fuck is gOING ON?
Beloved was my second book that I read; Tar Baby was the first. Toni wrote so beautifully that it was hard to put down any of her books. Song of Solomon and Sula I read afterwards. The Bluest Eye opened my eyes to the cruelty of white people towards Blacks in America. It definitely opened my eyes as a white woman. Beloved is my favourite but I have read most of her books. RIP dear Toni, I will miss your writings!
I was assigned to read The Bluest Eye in college and it was probably the first book that truly changed me - changed who I was as a person.
I never really understood the movie , is beloved a spirit or was she real?
Beloved was the "spirit" of the first daughter Sethe had, which she killed to escape going back to the slave plantation, "Sweet Home"...
@gazzaladda , I am taking the same books for english 101. Maybe we have the same teacher ( Dr. Joe Alberti) ?
who's the other one talking to her?
A very difficult book to read.
Yes, disturbing too.
@HeyLookItsLou I accidently spelt a "y" instead of an "i." Or should I say, "I accedently spelled a "y" instead of an "i"? Whatever the case, Toni Morrison didn't advance philosophy. She didn't create a new genre. She does indeed suck. There I said it. I guess I suffer from the racist gene because I don't like a black author. Indeed, I am prejudice. Someone notify mother Puritan up north and tell on me.
Clearly people that don't like this book haven't done any true critical analysis of the text. Have you read the timelines, do you understand the true genius of this work? She skips all over the place on purpose and her intent is to leave you dizzy trying to figure out what trip you just went on. Guess what, you rode in a ship's hull during the Middle Passage! You witnessed the terrible dissociations that occur when people are abused and demeaned for over a century. And you've heard another side of history from the subjective perspective of the enslaved rather than the White men who justified the enslavement of millions of people. Instead most people put this book down thinking they just read a really confusing ghost story. Some of us are just stuck in our white paradigms. And that's cool, be you! But it is worth every minute to put the pieces of this Beloved puzzle together. Toni Morrison is a literary hero and a beautiful woman!
April Albrecht what about those people in Africa who sold slaves to white people in the 1st place? The same holy book that was used to justify slavery was also the one that was used to justify abolition. Of the American population who owned slaves, it never exceeded 5%, if memory serves. And the 1st person to ever own an African slave from colonial times was a another black person.
April Albrecht. Thank you for this comment April Albrecht
you sound like someone who has been traumatized by IBY2 english... i know i have been.
I actually watched the movie first, can't wait to read it
mrlopez2681 "If memory serves"? You should get off your hate-train and get real and grow up. You folks keep harping on trivia to justify your hate.
“It’s not A Black father, it’s yours. You know, the one *you* know? That one.” God, that’s good writing advice.
She would EMBODY the characters, that's why we FEEL them soooo much. Its like shes Method Acting...or Being.
RIP TONI MORRISON 💝
Beloved touches a wide spectrum and myriad of human psyche and warped ways of life in which we allow ourselves to be distorted by. I know the main focal point was slavery but I also took away from it the harsh reality of the chains and enslaving of our own guilt, shame, failure, stubbornness, or inability to learn or move forward from our mistakes which in turn ties itself back to the inhumane and unimaginable suffering that has been done to our own species, by our own society. It is the Great American Novel but one that should be viewed and relished to help us right the future, not just as a page to the past...
A true national treasure. Her writing will be studied and cherished for all time. I aspire to be a novelist, an artist, an historian, a truth-teller following in her footsteps. ''I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved." Rom. 9:25.
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The Tree description on the mom's back... omg and how it got there was a trip!
Yup, it's a horrific scene, but brilliant writing
I think people don't realize in good waiting and in acting you have to develop an actual relationship with the characters and allow them to come forward.
If you aren't a racist, you need to learn to explain yourself better.
I think that's a complete injustice to her work. That's like saying Hemmingway is only hyped because he was an alcoholic or James Joyce is only famous because he is Irish..
Beloved: I love this movie soooooo much that I watch it at least twice a week. This movie was soooooo underrated. It had some AWESOME scenes that should have won this movie an Oscar. The AWESOME scenes: the men dancing, the hanging if her mom, how Beloved was standing up against the bug infested tree, how Denver was making her and Beloved some sweet bread, how Oprah was walking with Denver and Beloved to the dancing ground where Baby Suggs preached, and the most AWESOME sex scene ever in American movie history is when Beloved was telling Danny Glover, "put it where the open part is." When she said that I flipped. That is great acting to its finest!!!! The entire staff played their roles SPECTACULARLY!!!!
I am studying Beloved and its translation in French, and I really enjoy it, even if the atmosphere of this story is very "heavy"... She's just amazing!
I love this. I never read the book yet but I did seen the movie and it creeped me out and it was interesting. #RIPToniMorrison
My favorite book!!!!
Is it just me or is she speaking similar to michael jackson? Its a joy to listen to her
@MisterNifty Just saying she sucks is not enough. Anybody could say that. Just because you don't like her, everyone else who does likes her only likes her because she is black and a woman and writes about race relations? That's just stupid. You need to get out of your trailer park in the south and realize Morrison is read all over the world, not just in the northeast or Europe. And I have a suspicion that you prefer a dumb-down type of writing. I guess you would hate Faulkner too.
The country needs more black writers. This was pretty good. I get so tired of the rape drugs pimp movies. Mr Pip was my favorite. I read both the books. Black people along with other nations races have given so much more than just rape & drugs gangs. Message from a king. Hes good actor but another rape drug movie. Wheres the imagination creativity? Toni is fantastic & hero. We need more family movies for children
do you realize you're fighting with everyone else on here? I understand your opinion towards her, but there is no point in trying to argue an author who is globally accepted as an exceptional writer. I would merely suggest you keep your strong sentiments to yourself. You simply look crazy.
Is anyone else trying to piece together the argument in the comments? There was a huge argument and someone deleted their initial comment so everything attached to it just scattered. It would be helpful if they remained together under a single comment but it would just say [comment deleted]
What is all this it doesn't speak to me, it's for this one and that one? Are you a human being? Do you not love people? Empathy is the invisible hand that brings us together. Until you can love people, you can't join the party.
That's a rather simplistic description of sophism. Sophists are people who argue well even if what they are arguing isn't necessarily true. What is Morrison arguing? How is she a sophist?
Top three greatest novels EVER!
I wonder if you'd expand on your opinion with some concrete points. Why do you believe this book is not worthy of its reputation? What about it disgusts you so much?
I also wonder if you'd list some literature that you believe to be genuinely praiseworthy.
Red Heart Red Heart Red Heart ❤
I am not sure how you've come to the conclusion that it's a feeble work of garbage. Beyond the issues of slavery that it takes on, it takes on larger themes and discussions ex. human condition without community, isolation from others and from one's own emotions. She explores the intricacies of the mother daughter relationship.
She also gives her own voice to themes that other famous American literature has explored as well, elements of the supernatural, manipulations of narrative etc.
@MisterNifty Just saying she sucks is not enough. Anybody could say that. Just because you don't like her, everyone else who does likes her only likes her because she is black and a woman and writes about race relations? That's just stupid. You need to get out of your trailer park in the south and realize Morrison is read all over the world, not just in the northeast or Europe. And I have a suspicion that you prefer a dumb-down type of writing. I guess you would hate Faulkner too.
My favorite movie.. Beloved..
Why doesn't Sethe give her baby a name? The baby was two years old and did not have a name. It does not make any sense.
Can someone please enlighten me as to where this interview is from?
Where does this interview come from? Who is the interviewer who is conducting it?
How is it possible that Beloved, born in Kentucky and murdered by her mother Sethe at less than a month old is familiar with the experience of being on a slave ship?
I've read several analyses of this novel and they all stated that Beloved is not just a physical representation of the ghost of Sethes grown up 'dead baby." Sethe thinks that all she is but she's also an amalgamation of the ghosts of the 'hundred million or more' enslaved Africans who died in slave ships during the middle passage. So she has all manner of memories a baby certainly wouldnt remember and talks about more on that in the book but wasnt shown or explained in the movie. The novel alludes to that specifically in Beloved's narration to Denver when Denver asked her 'what was it like when you were on the other side?' Beloved describes a 'hot, dark, crouching place, with no space to turn around, dead bodies on top of her, rats and men without skin (white men) touching her. So shes not just talking like a baby ghost being dead in the ground before coming back to life, she's talking about the horrific experience of being chained on a slave ship. I first read this novel 25 years ago when I was in the 12th grade and it was scary and very confusing. I ended up with a Bachelors degree in African History and studied Afr. American history as well so I understand a lot more about the content of the story years later. Its still just as haunting, chilling, sad and intense as it was then but easier to comprehend when re-reading it again and re-watching the movie.
P.s. 'Beloved' was a over a year old when she was murdered (the month old baby at the time of Beloved's murder was Denver.) And... Technically the murdered child's name wasnt actually 'Beloved', the book never says her actual name; shes only referred to as the "crawling already!" baby girl, and at the funeral after the minister says Dearly Beloved to the people, Sethe has sex with a stone mason in exchange for a headstone for the baby's grave and for him to carve the word Beloved on it since she has no money.
@@brownfoxx76 It's a vastly overrated novel.
@@brownfoxx76 Beloved was over a year and nobody knew her name? Babies are usually named shortly after birth.
@@brownfoxx76 thank you for this insightful comment . what is tthe relevance/the importance of Beloved (the novel) now ? (other than giving the reader the chance to read abt slavery, middle passage )
@@johndeagle4389 I never said that nobody knew her name or that she didn't have a name, I said that her name wasn't ever mentioned in the novel and that was done on purpose. Of course she had a name but it was forgotten by everyone; the events surrounding her death were so horrible that her own mother constantly tried to block the memories of her but her presence as a ghost forced Sethe and everyone else to remember her existance. All of the people who were enslaved had actual names but their names were forgotten over time and they are always simply clumped together as 'slaves' but they were individual human beings with names, families and a story.
Why the space before the colon in the title of the video?
Just read your youtube name; don't bother to reply
Rest in peace.
This channel has no content!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rip
A master.
@warrenh i'm pretty sure they haven't.
RIP❤
Morrison rips off William Faulkner's The Sound and the Fury in the following passage from Beloved:
We are not crouching now we are standing but my legs are like my dead man’s eyes I cannot fall because there is no room to the men without skin are making loud noises I am not dead the bread is sea-colored I am too hungry to eat it the man closes my eyes those able to die are in a pile (p. 211)
Ad hominem
Hee Hee Hee
Ad hominem
@DnBDoctor And what's she doin' bro? Is she singin' up dah' blues? Is she down wit' jazz? If there ain't no philosophy, then she ain't' nuttin' but sophistication blowing in the wind. Is she chopping up chiffarobes? Is she ankle deep in the world of meaning? Yep. In the end, Toni Morrison couldn't wash Samuel Clemen's dishes even if she were using her own tears as soap. Now, how is that for writing!
MisterNifty Stupid, that's how it is. A legend in your own mind. If you can write, do it in some real way and prove it, don't blather on RUclips. What college did you go to? Because you would flunk out of Dumbarse U, I think. Also, what do chifforobes have to do with anything? Alliteration is the weakest form of writing, although, I just relearned a word, maybe you would make it through Dummy U after all.
@caliking100 You should have seen how horrible things had been for African Americans back when they were still under bondage in Africa. Their AAfrican masters would line twelve African po po's (African slaves) and then sell them for a single horse. Before getting on the ship, the twelve had to draw straws to see which man or woman was the one who got sold for the horse's butt.
(I have a day job)
Does anyone have the full recording and title of this interview?
@MisterNifty Why you so mad bro?
@1adrian1969 Bul! SH#T. Please, get yourself an education. Trying reading the book instead of feeling it. Look, would you rather be treated like an animal or piece of crap? In America, the slaves (Slavs, Slavics) were taken in as family members in many cases. Back in Africa, they were worth 1/12th of a horse as the master class in Africa sold a dozen souls for a single horse.
MisterNifty So they should be grateful for being valued as only 1/4 of a man, then, and accept as lies the words of our Constitution?
@Juwar1974
Excuse me? I have already posted above how this woman's writing is totally devoid of any philosophy. Back her up with some philosophy. How has she advanced the social contract theory? She doesn't take any position as she has stated she is neither patriarchial or matriarchial. In other words, she is a typical Sophist. What is a sophist? Well, it is an eloquent someone devoid of anything philosophical.
MisterNifty The definition of sophistry does not include philosophy. Sophists were philosophers that went wrong, and the word means "the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving." "Sophistry is reasoning that seems plausible on a superficial level but is actually unsound, or reasoning that is used to deceive." You, in actuality, are using sophistry here! That's because you're trying to justify slavery by putting out irrelevant points as well as distorting definitions. I mean, okay, I take some of your points. Africans sold slaves. Maybe conditions were awful at times in Africa, too. Another point of view is not unwelcome - to me, anyhow (admittedly a white person) - because sometimes some responsibility is called for among all the whining, blaming and bleeding hearts. It has to be okay to criticize, sometimes, when criticism is due. But you can't hate a whole people. You can't remotely discount their suffering. Maybe all anger should go in the dustbin, and people should just focus on the now, I dunno.
It can't be masterful literature when everyone is afraid to judge her work honestly. In University, I wasn't afraid to address this point. Is Toni Morrison any good or is everyone afraid of being called a racist? I mean, how can one tell? My English professor from Canada ran out of the room to avoid addressing this issue. Writing about prejudice is the best ruse in the world if your are an Afro American of color.
I came in here trying to be critical of Toni Morrison. In University, we criticized Shakespeare, Cervantes, and Samuel Clemens. What was a weakness in Plato's dialogues? Have any of you even read a Platonic dialogue for cripes sake! Just how deep is your understanding philosophically speaking or are you just a typical sophist? Toni Morrison can't rise above petty tripe. First off, she is a woman. Second, she is a person of color who has never had too because of mother Puritan up north.
MisterNifty You are full of vitriol and stupid, bathetic hate. What's more, you can criticize her if you want to. Go ahead and do it! Few popular writers are perfect. Look at Anne Tyler. Still, people enjoy and are reached by them. It's easy to criticize, writing is a lot harder.
"DUH, ME NO UNDERSTAND BOOK! IT BAD! BLACK LADY BAD! BAD BLACK LADY BAD!"
Who is this person that keeps saying "yes" it's really annoying.
Lyon Yes.
hmm....stay with me here...the interviewer?
Lynn Turman Lol.