FRANK ZAPPA - "PYGMY TWYLYTE" (reaction) (live)
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
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Frank's guitar sound is so distinctive. Nobody sounded like Frank.
His solo is fabulous !
Frank so loved to mess with the band. LOL This is a REAL Rock and Roll show.
From Roxy and Elsewhere, a live album chock full of great music. Listen to Echidna's Arf (Of You) and Don't You Ever Wash That Thing? An amazing outpouring of Zappa excellence. Will blow your mind.
Absolutely those are the most insane tunes he ever wrote.
During the "roxy times" there was a short period when there were Ralph Humphree and Chester Thomson in this great band!! I've hearded "Pygmy Twylyte" the first time when I was 18 (several decades ago) and I imediatly loved it but I was blown away after listening to this an YCDTOSA 2 - the finland concert... Thanks for watching and reacting to "Pygmy Twylyte"... love your way of reacting so much - regards to you - gho_artworks
Ran into Pam many years ago in Austin at a coffee stand. Such a sweet person. I only recognized her because I had watched 200 motels probably more then 200 times ..
Pamela used to babysit Frank's kids she wrote an excellent autobiography called I'm with the band.
On the first few Mothers' albums and live shows there were always 2 drummers, Jimmy Carl Black played together with either Billy Mundi or Art Tripp and Chester Thompson would play with Ralph Humphreys along with Ruth Underwood and sometimes Frank would play too, he was a drummer before he played guitar
Wounderful that jou are learning...my life
Wow great song from the legendary shows at the Roxy in Hollywood, Cal. The album Roxy/and Elsewhere came from those shows. Loved your reaction, lucky the band didn't get distracted, they played great.✌️❤️😃
Thanks William!
Zappa had two drummers in the early Mothers (60s) Jimmy Carl Black and Art Tripp. The early 70s band performing here, Chester Thompson (who drummed in Genesis) and Ralph Humphrey.
Thompson also played drums for Weather Report.
Zappa! It's a way of life..you'll love it😎
...on the bus
FRANK ZAPPA IS THE BEST!!
Those were the days. Walt looks like he's having a good time. Nice treat, a second song. :) Pamela Miller was an old friend of Frank. She was in the group the GTO's. Also a well known groupie. You can google her.
She plays the music reporter in the movie 200 Motels.
Did you mean Bruce? He's the trombonist - Walt came later on Trumpet eg 88 Band
@@Frunobulax74 Sure, but that was Bruce Fowler on trombone getting mauled by Pamela. I didn't see Walt in that video ... or any trumpet player for that matter.
@@Frunobulax74 I did read the chain. And I don't disagree with you about the history of the band. I just wanted to emphasize the fact that the topic of discussion is the fact that Bruce Fowler is in the video, not Walt, regardless of when the latter joined the band, which is somewhat irrelevant. Even if Walt had been in the band (which he wasn't), the guy getting mauled in the video is Bruce, the trombone player.
I think it’s safe to say your YT page has become home for the Zappa fan base. Congratulations! 😂
🎉We love Frank here! Thanks Thomas!
Excellent. Thank you, Peter.
Ralph Humphreys was the 2nd drum player.
Pamela des Barres (Miss Pamela) was one of the bands (many bands') groupies.
Thanks Richie!
And, she was the Zappa's babysitter.
She was a friend because she started a band of all girls in the late 1960’s called Pamela and The G.T.O’s and Frank produced their album.
@@shyshift "Girls Together Outrageously"
The drummers are Chester Thompson and Ralph Humphreys
Thanks Darryl!
The one and only "Miss Pamela", Pamela Des Barres of The G.T.O.'s. Probably the world's most famous groupie she wrote the very insightful book I'm With The Band.
Oh wow, we’ve heard of that book! Thanks James!
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She alao babysat Frank's kids off and on.
@@mrgreengenes04 Pretty much all of The GTOs did.
Pamela Des Barres dancing around on stage was one of the biggest groupies in rock n' roll history.
Is that her on the cover of the album too?
It was a different time then. And maybe Frank wanted to test his musicians to make sure they could still play not matter what!
Beautiful musicians and a drunk freandly beautiful girl.
DANGER! Genius at work.
good musicicians won't get distracted - even it's miss pamela lol!
Hi, Sight After Dark, I appreciate that you have already reacted to this tune. ....I am not a member of your Patreon group, and under current circumstances, it is unlikely that I will become so, in the imminent future. However, I appreciate your reviews and share your admiration for all things Zappa. The above, video is from the start of the tour and became much-beloved from the fan-favourite album, Roxy and Elsewhere. However, many years later, as part of the series: You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Volume 2 there was a complete recording of a live concert in Helsinki, Finland, from the end of the same tour - by this time, the band are so tight that, whilst the music is the same, they have reached another level (and without the gyrating distraction of Ms Pamela Miller). Because I am not a Patreon member, I can only appeal to your leisure and audio-pleasure time. Listen to the whole album, of for an introduction, the emotional beauty of Frank's solo, which actually begins at approx the 4 minute mark. This is not a very exciting or dramatic solo, but wow, is it emotional and FFS it s Frank! ruclips.net/video/idv1k4N03S0/видео.html
Thanks so much!
The GTOs (Girls Together Outrageously) had one album, Permanent Damage (1969) released on Frank's Straight label...Love George Duke's keyboards on this...
I just watched your review of The Weight and you talked about singing drummers. Check out Grand Funk Railroad's drummer Don Brewer, Black Licorice, We're an American Band and Others.
Pam De Barres. Most famous groupie ever. She wrote a book called "I'm with the band". She was also Frank and Gail's babysitter and one of the GTOs. The all girl rock group that Frank put together. During the Roxy performances and others around that time, Frank had Chester Thompson and Ralph Humphreys on drums.
the point was to see if she could actually distract the musicians from their perfectly disciplined performance! And she couldn't
This was to be my response. Frank was always testing everyone.
@@GoodCorporateRobot Frank compared himself to a drill sergeant and the band was his marines...🤔
Think there were a few bands around this time that used 2 drummers though some only on tour. Hawkwind, Steely Dan, Allman Brothers King Crimson and The Grateful Dead are a few I believe,
Gong too, saw them live 73 with 2 drummers and one or two on percussion occasionally. Also......The Glitter Band.....
@@chrisbywater275 haha. I saw Gong too around that time. Remember Steve Hillage but not 2 drummers. Then again I do forget a few things at my age, lol.
♥♥ The whole Roxy movie is full of these great songs. Even Frank does some heavy percussion along with Ruth. The Roxy movie and album is where the Zappa sound tops all other performances. And Napoleon too: His voice is amazing in here. Frank's SG has a great sound with the Big Muff fuzz pedal. Combined with a Wah at the lowest position I think (?) I can be wrong. I remember us Zappa freaks waiting for the Roxy movie being released. It took light years. It is the holy grail of FZ music. And now we also have the Roxy performances 7-CD set. A goldmine
The 1973 band began as FZ-guitar, George Duke-keyboards, Jean Luc Ponty-elec.violin, Sal Marquez-trumpet, Bruce Fowler-trombone, Tom Fowler-bass & Ralph Humphrey-drums. That was the band that you did a reaction to Dupree's Paradise live in Sweden. After the first half of that year, touring restarting in late summer '73, Frank dispensed with Jean Luc Ponty and Sal Marquez in favor of Napoleon Murphy Brock plus he added a second drummer, a very young unknown Chester Thompson. Now in the late sixties with the Mothers of Invention, he had two drummer line-up with Jimmy Carl Black and Billy Mundi (1967/68). This 1973/74 edition of the band he one upped it with two full drum sets plus a full percussion set. And if you don't know, in this show you just watched at The Roxy (december 1973) there is a set where you've got Ralf, Chester, Ruth and Frank Zappa himself, all banging away on drums on the song Dog Breath.
@Zolar Czakl Yes I did forget to mention that pairing. Thanks. I have a personal opinion that might not be shared by all but here goes. Art Tripp III is the first drummer in the Mothers that could read music. As such, Frank could expand the difficulty levels of his written percussion leaving JBC to be utilized moreso as a character in the band (like Motorhead Sherwood), with his distinct vocals and hand percussion's (not exclusively but primarily) and sometimes light keyboards even. So I didn't really think of JCB as the drummer of the group as much by then, just the indian of the group, as his famous phrase goes. Most arguments regarding the end of the so-called "Original" Mothers revolve around the band not making any real money. In time I have come to the conclusion that one of the factors that weighted on Frank to dissolve the group as a somewhat closed unit was the fact that his compositional needs had evolved to a point that the limits of the band were hindering his artistic goals. He needed better musicians that could play what he wrote the way he wrote it. And by 1969 he had made a name and a reputation that attracted musicians offering their services. Also, Frank could now afford them albeit still to a moderate degree. So that's my two cents on how I figure some of the reasoning went down around that time.
@Zolar Czakl I too saw The Grandmothers in late summer 2000 at The Wetlands in NYC near SoHo. JCB, Don Preston and Bunk Gardner plus three Europeans on drums (? forgot who), bass (Ener Bladerzipper) and guitar (Sandro Oliva). Jimmy Carl Black in front as main vocalists and playing percussion via a keyboard as well as actual hand percussion's. Awesome show, a great night out, plus I got autographs.
@Zolar Czakl The guitarist most likely was the Italian Sandro Oliva, who also uses the characteristic mustache and goatee. I'm thinking most likely its the same band except on drums you had Billy Mundi and I got a guy from Germany or Scandinavia or wherever. From what I remember, Sandro Oliva was heavily involved working with JCB; not just a hired hand.
On the 2 drummers: in the Zappa drummers video they both explain what Frank's purpose was: Ralph Humphries (the educated drummer) played everything techically correct, while Chester Thompson played for the feel, the funk/soul, and they decided to tune their kits a 3rd apart from each other so they wouldn't get in each other's sonic space.
Yes Frank had two drummers in most of the bands that he had except when he had like Terry Bozzio on the drums which you don't really need two drummers cuz Terry Bozzio can probably play two sets of drums at the same time!! This was typically what you would get at a Zappa show from the mid-70s up through the early 1980s and Beyond probably till about 1985 or so when you went to a Frank Zappa concert you didn't know what to expect!! But stuff like this girl coming on stage and doing what she did and audience participation were par for the course with Frank!! Those were fun times and not too many bands got the audience involved as much as Frank Zappa did!!
Forget this Dancing Lady for a while: (just close your eyes - OR a very new invention: EYECLOSING-APP by microsoft or apple or google or what the fuck...!)
I remarked my own condition (2022: WW3? and so on) and I was AT HOME, watching and listening to THIS BAND at work.
I could only calm down and relax because of Frank's Band and their professionalism and handling their instruments...
And all of that WITH LOVE !
You see: it's therapy!.... Heeeeyyy
I've always liked that song. I also think the girl wasn't necessary, but Chester Thompson and Ralph Humphrey were standard in the Roxy & Elsewhere days, when I was introduced to FZ and this formation. Long time ago, but still good.
Frank did two drummers in 1968-69 (Arthur Dyer Tripp and JC Black). And this lineup is the same as in the live album Roxy & Elswhere with two drummers. Ralph Humphrey is the other drummer, the one who plays on Duprees Paradise (the song with the George Duke-into).
PS: I liked watching Pamela for testosterone based reasons...:P
Anybody remember the trailer for Roxy in the Baby Snakes DVD that said: "coming soon"?
"soon" as in waiting … waiting … waiting …
I wanted you guys to see something from the Roxy shows, you have heard some, but as you say, seeing it is more interesting. Yes, Miss Pam was a distraction, but truth be told, you two have become accustomed to Zappa, and I figured this one would catch you off guard. I think I succeeded. ;-) I have seen some crazy shit at FZ shows, and this was a taste of that experience. As 'distracting' as she was, the point is the band never missed a beat, and this also proves that you can dance to Zappa music! Pam Miller, aka Pam Des Barres, is the queen of the groupies, a lady who spent a lot of time back stage with big rock stars...she has quite a story all her own, as other comments point out.
Thanks so much Peter! Definitely caught us off guard!
That guitar solo was fkn lit. Zappa was THE BEST wah-wah soloist. It’s not even up for debate. Not even Terry Kath can compete.
How can you not mention Hendrix?
the 70th.........................some girls want guys with a big hit record in the charts.....some boys like me want girls like ruth.
Frank often used multiple drummers, plus percussionist. Full spectrum of pitches and timbre, as many sounds he could pull out of a band. He referred to one touring band as "his dangerous little 8-piece orchestra".
I first got into The Mother's came out with "We're only in it for the money "the idiot bastard son" was on this lp
Always a fun song. Always different with improved Nappy silliness. Miss Pamala has a book, "I'm With The Band." Life as a groupie in the late 60's early 70's. Was Don Johnson's girlfriend at the time. & governess to the Zappa kids, I believe
Oh wow, thanks for the info Marko!
AS others have noted, Frank used two drummers in the '60s: Jimmy Carl Black & Billy Mundi (which didn't quite work and often resulted in JCB switching to trumpet or backing vocals) and later Jimmy Carl Black & Art Tripp (which worked great, with JCB providing a steady backbeat and Tripp playing weird fills around him).
For the band in this clip, Ralph's specialty was tricky time signatures (which he had experience in from playing with avant-garde jazz bandleader Don Ellis) with Chester adding the "attitude".
Check out the "Zappa's Drummers" on RUclips for a two hour conversation/jam session with Ralph, Chester, Ruth, Terry, and Chad!
Chester added the "Funk". Ralph could easily handle the time signatures from his Don Ellis experience but I saw an interview where he described the Don Ellis Orchestra as "The Big Band that Couldn't Swing" 🙂
Thanks DiscountDeity!
That was Pam DesBarres, who wrote the book I'm With the Band. Probably the world's most famous groupie. Frank produced an album featuring The GTO's, a dozen groupies who hung out together and followed The Mothers, among other groups, around. The second drummer was Ralph Humphreys, who played all the drums on Apostrophe, which you reacted to awhile ago. Frank had two drummers in a couple of different eras. Check out a vid called The Drummers of Frank Zappa. Hosted by that cute little drummer, Terry Bozzio with Ralph Humphreys, Chester Thompson, Ruth Underwood, and Chad Whackerman, who played with Frank from about '84-'88. He's on Whipping Post, which you also reacted to. btw, I work right down the street from where Chester grew up, good old Arbutus, Md!
@@Frunobulax74 I stand corrected, I knew someone would lol
Cool, thanks Mark!
OK... lol... "Why?"
Well... I'm glad you guys asked that. Us Zappa fans have been very calm and behaved with the "ZAPPA REACTORS"...And you guys are among the best.... BUT..... there is still one thing that maybe you haven't completely grasped yet...Zappa did EVERYTHING ... to entertain himself FIRST, and if other people liked it ... great... if they didn't... fuck 'em.
That's why Zappa loved New York... people said "Fuck you"... if they meant "Fuck you".
NOW... back to your burning question "Why?"
Well... it would seem that Frank wanted to fuck with Nappy during this song. So... before the show... Zappa obviously told that girl to grab Nappy by the crotch while he is supposed to be playing his sax... which she does... causing Nappy to completely fuck up his sax part in the song... to the point where he finally picks her up and whispers in her ear... "Go over and fuck with Chester on the drums... there's motherfucking TWO of them!" LOL. Now, I'm not sure that's EXACTLY what he said... but judging from the fact that the next thing that the girl does is to go fuck with Chester, I'm pretty sure I'm close.
Nappy understands that Zappa has decided to fuck around on this take of the song, so he plays along. Because... Nappy, Zappa and Duke, and Chester all had a real brotherly love thang going on between them. It was the closest that Zappa ever was to having friends in his group. And for Zappa... that's saying A LOT.
So Nappy knew how to go with the flow, because ,remember... the real answer to your question "Why?" is the Zappa acronym AAAFNRAA (Anything, Anytime, Anywhere, For No Reason At All).
Nappy understood all bets were off and this take of the song was for fun... he had no way of knowing that Zappa actually intended to use it (silly him), and he figured since this version of the song was DEFINITELY not going on the album with all his fuck-ups in it... why not make the drummer fuck up also?
This was the mind set of these guys on stage. They could play anything Zappa threw at them at any speed... so... they could also fuck it up if asked.
This band would put an ugly, scary mask called "the booger bear" on the doorknob of the guy who went to bed with the ugliest groupie.
Do you see where I'm going with this?
Zappa LOVED sex.
I don't know if Zappa got down and dirty with Pamela (probably)... But I'm sure SOMEONE in that band did.
So... does that answer your question... "Why?"
Oh... and Zappa used Two Drummers in his 1968 band and in 1974 and technichally if you consider Ed Mann (percussionist) a drummer... then Zappa has had 2 drummers for many of his tours and in that case... this wouldn't be 2 drummers... it's 3 ... with Ruth.
In fact... in this video (Roxy, The Movie) on the song Uncle Meat... Zappa also plays drums and there are FOUR drummers.
Zappa liked drums.
I knew this choice would trigger a great comments section, thanks Chris, your response had me ROFLMAO. Thanks man!
@@Frunobulax74 I guess I know Frank pretty well... I was guessing, judging from the footage, but I'm happy to know how on the button I was.
@@Peter-K my pleasure
@@Frunobulax74 yeah... AND Arthur Barrow and Steve Vai. But... you know what I'm saying. And no, I didn't hear the broadcast, but Zappa setting it up ahead of time is what I meant by "on the button" and I would argue that Nappy was NOT told to fuck up his sax parts on the harmonies with Bruce... he was, if anything, being DARED by Zappa to be able to play without "chumping it", and Zappa won. Lol.
Sweater Is sweet..Collar 👍 . Still watching. . Just keeping low ...thanks .Good to see new intro songs for u both
Thanks Korny!
Re: the drummers, you recognized Chester Thompson... The other guy was Ralph Humphrey, a drummer who came from the Don Ellis Jazz group. Don Ellis was a Jazz Trumpeter who delighted in both esoteric styles and also tortuous odball time signatures... See "Bulgarian Bulge", which IIRC is in 33/16.
ruclips.net/video/aUYtWvavvYg/видео.html
This is the only FZ group I can recall that used two full drum kits but am probably wrong. Other groupings had one kit plus Ruth Underwood filling in. I saw another video where the drummers were reminiscing about picking up the matched kits and meticulously tuning the toms to different tones and splitting the parts so that they covered all of the tonal variety in songs.
I love this for the buffoonery. You never knew what might happen at a Zappa gig. I agree with Dan and Sifa about it detracting from the song. It's a great song and there's a far musically superior version of this with almost the same band as this. The Helsinki concert. It's tremendous and contains one of my favourite Frank guitar solo's.
Don't want the "experts" whinging but Frank knew his audience. Though the set lists were similar, for his U.S. tours, a lot more lewdness/sex/soft porn was required for his audience. For his European/Scandinavian audiences, it was more pure music based. This song is a perfect example. Please check for yourself ruclips.net/video/idv1k4N03S0/видео.html
As I said, I do like this, good choice Peter but think you were being a bit naughty trying to get songs in,lol. (Only joking)
If you don't have a naughty side, you shouldn't listen to FZ ;-) and I picked this for the 'alternative' entertainment factor...
I like the Roxy Live disc set. It includes all of the shows from this booking, including versions of Pygmy Twylyte with the "Dummy Up" or "Room Service" musical skits attached.
@@Peter-K agreed
You're spot on with your comments Paul, here in UK everyone I knew enjoyed the humour of this band but it deteriorated in later years and it became something to put up with. There did seem to be a difference in the US vs European audiences
@@chrisbywater275 There are some on here who won't agree, but I think they are americans with a complex.
Think the musical thing stems from Hot Rats I believe. An almost total flop in the U.S. but a top 10 album here and quite successful throughout Europe. Don't think Frank ever forgot that.
chester keeps it down to the hundredth of a second
the roxy & elsewhere album features this band yes 2 drummers. echidnas arf is the epitome of the double drums on this album imo
Great piece of music.
I chanced upon this again and you know why it never got a thumbs up. Because it’s one of the few of Frank that truly suck
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Sight After Dark: Be sure to check out the "Roxy The Movie" video. Both drummers are incredible
Thanks Markus!
Who uses a kazoo in rock music? Zappa does, that's who! Hahaha Love it. I agree Pamela was a bit of a distraction.
As much as I love Miss Pamela, I agree that she distracts from the song/video. She is also in 200 Motels.
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Well, Zappa often had two drummers. As to the dancer, I agree, it is a distraction but, as FZ explains, it is a parody of using dancers in the incoming music video business, and is part of what he invented in NYC, when he played in venues with just 10 people in the audience, 'rock theatre'.
Frank loved poking fun at groupies.
Frank always tried to make it difficult for the band and I think this was another way of distracting the band/making it interesting for the band. I think Franks basic rule is that if you are getting comfortable with Frank (performer or listener) then do something to change it!
Never seen this before..Yup, I agree , Pygmy Twylyte was a good jam.I always find bands with two drummers interesting (eg Doobie Bros.) and Chester , of course, duetted with Phil Collins when on tour with Genesis. Yup, the legendary Pamela was a bit of a distraction. Tbh, I think she was a bit of a distraction everywhere she went!.Well, according to my old dear departed flat mate, Sandy Sanderson ,bass player for The Pink Fairies, who was er..'friends' with Pamela for a while anyway....good one guys :)
I love all these comments from knowledgeable Zappa aficionados.
Personally I am an uptight WASP Christian. But I don't impose my code on others, and I have appreciated Zappa's genius and loved his music since I was a teen in 1968. Sure I'm offended by some of his stuff, and my own values are way different from his (there is *huge* overlap too on a lot of stuff. . . but that's a whole long essay). I'll give him this: he is an equal opportunity offender---you could call him a misogynist, but hey, do men get a pass in his satire? Ha ha.
Anyhow, lots of great comments. I want to echo the point that what he does, he does for his own amusement; listen to almost any interview. It just happens to be brilliant and virtuosic and he brings out the very best in the amazing musicians he hires.
As usual, the performances here are mind-boggling outstanding, and the composition is unbelievably great. As for the performance art, I think it's an essential part of this performance, once again showing the immense talent of NMB, not to mention the other virtuosos on stage! What're ya gonna do with genius?
You sure don't sound uptight to me, you sound pretty open minded. As good as their reactions are, these comment sections are a lot of fun too, glad you are enjoying your time here.
@@Peter-K Oh I'm uptight all right. Trust me on this. ;-)
@@mrfranksan ok, so you are a paradox...wink wink...
@@Peter-K
"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
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"The past and present wilt-I have fill'd them, emptied them.
And proceed to fill my next fold of the future.
"Listener up there! what have you to confide to me?
Look in my face while I snuff the sidle of evening,
(Talk honestly, no one else hears you, and I stay only a minute longer.)
"*Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)*
"I concentrate toward them that are nigh, I wait on the door-slab.
"Who has done his day's work? who will soonest be through with his supper?
Who wishes to walk with me?
"Will you speak before I am gone? will you prove already too late?"
---Walt Whitman, from "Song of Myself"
Hey guys, yeah Frankwas big on Big drums and inosations from Varese it was something he just loved that's why you would get all that percussion from. Second song the Idiot bastard son was strictly political and was derived as far back as the Nixon administration.
Thanks for the info Darryl!
Actually a song about band member sneaking in a smoke in the tour bus....green hocker in the greyhound locker...on the bus...near the toilet....crystal eye,,,The idea is to put the muso's off and see if they can play...the two drummers was because they were transitioning one out and one in...
@mike demike - These 2 drummers were together from October 1973 until May of 1974, so it wasn't a transition.
OK, here is a complex piece of music to play live. And we have some people here that'll try and distract you while I still expect you to play every note perfectly...
exactly my point!
I didn't think Pamela's antics were a distraction at all. Clearly Frank had planned the entire thing anyway. Regardless, what struck me most was how even through Pamela's mauling the musicians didn't miss a beat! Especially the drummers. That was impressive!
The History Of The GTO’s
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Here’s their album,Permanent Damage
ruclips.net/video/y7vHfIdGyho/видео.html
Thanks Rand!
Cool
As I recall this was the only band era that included 2 drummers. This is originally from the Roxy album, and didn’t have any video. So no stupid cheesy dancer. It’s a far better version. Once I awhile Frank would go too far on stage antics. But still he’s God right? Right?!999
@@Frunobulax74 Thanks for the correction!
@@davetothebeard The video was filmed to be part of a theater release concert film that was never realized. They found the raw footage in the Vaults, cleaned it up and issued it on DVD a few years ago, only 45 or so years late.
While i appreciate you keeping Zappa's memory alive if you have to ask why zappa did anything you really didn't get him. He was about the shock, the outrageousness.
This is his band after the mothers. Probably the strongest of all of them. He only worked with the most talented musicians.
Motley Crue did the same thing when I saw them. The bikini girls on stage didn't help the crap music.
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I see the value of the live reactions, but the album versions of the Roxy & Elsewhere tunes sound so much better to my ears. The guitar solos chosen are also preferable for me. Hate to be that guy, but I am that guy. 😂
edit: This solo is fabulous though, and isn't even on the album cut.
Sifa seems well raised.
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@@SightAfterDark Healthy shame in the eyes. Am I wrong?
Hey buddy! Those bottom eyelashes are kinda cute.;)
Isn't she the chick who made plaster cast of all the famous rockers she slept with? Someone mentioned already that you never knew what you were gonna get at an FZ show. Musically or theatrically. The band is really cookin here, as usual. I thought it was from the Live At The Roxy footage but I guess not. ✌❤🤘🙏
@Zolar Czakl I can say that if you look up the word plook in the Urban Dictionary it is credited as a Zappa invention. ;-)
@Zolar Czakl Thank you for the info
@@Frunobulax74 Thank you
Dudes in trouble 😑
I saw another video of a gig at The Roxy in L.A. (could be the same show), where Frank brought in a couple of exotic dancers from the neighborhood, wearing skimpy outfits. It's all part of giving the audience what they want, I suppose. My oldest brother went to a concert where Frank invited female fans to remove their undies and throw them onstage, so that Frank can show them to the audience and hang them on a clothes line.
The whole panty thing was started by female fans throwing their panties on stage long before he 'asked' for them. Since it was happening anyway, Frank capitalized on it and made it part of his shows in the late 70s -80s. He said he was having them sewn into a quilt, I sometimes wonder if it still exists?
@@Peter-K Remember the song "Jazz discharge party hat" about this tradition?
What?!
@@SightAfterDark there is a song called Panty Rap on the Tinseltown Rebellion album. It's not really a song, rather a musical interlude where FZ talks about all the undies they have collected, and how he was having someone make a quilt out of them. He then offers up several ways that women could provide them 'discretely,' and the whole thing is a hoot. I saw several of these panty collection moments in shows I went to, and even Dweezil had the same thing happen and started encouraging 'donations' at his shows. If you look at the City of Tiny Lites video, you will see a couple of pair fly up while he is soloing at the edge of the stage. Zappa did not start it, but he sure did play it up when he saw it as another humorous aspect he could add to his shows.
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Zappa has quite a weird humor; this was a good example of it. The guitar solo was great; like you we would have liked to see more of him instead of the girl.
We highly recommend a reaction to Barbara Dennerlein. She is a German jazz organist and especially renowned for her bass pedal work. She is one of the few German jazz-musicians with an international reputation; an absolute virtuoso. She plays a modified/midified Hammond B3 with some sampled sounds like vibraphone, piano, trumpet or, for the pedals, acoustic bass. She also plays jazz on pipe organs. The late Keith Emerson was a huge fan of her, by the way. We could recommend many videos; take your pick from these (best start with the first one; we bet you will want to see them all after that):
Barbara with band (Mitch Watkins on guitar, Rick Keller on sax and Tony Reedus on drums). This is an up-tempo number; Barbara plays "piano" on her organ. Extremely fast bass pedal work. All members get their solos; Barbara does the third solo. It is a live version of the title track from her 1992 album "That's Me".
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Or how about a blues? A slower number, but Barbara's long solo has some extremely fast runs, and she uses many unusual playing techniques in it. This one features Brian Pardo on guitar, who plays an excellent solo too, and Paul van Wageningen on drums. The tune is called "Farewell to Old Friends" and originally appeared on her 1999 album "Outhipped".
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Or how about a video with a bass pedal solo by Barbara? This one is a duo formation; the drummer is Daniel Messina. The track is called "Jimmy's Walk" and appeared on her 2001 album "Love Letters". It is an homage to famous jazz-organist Jimmy Smith, with whom she has a complicated backstory that went from friendship to the opposite; there is an interview in which she talks about it. She also plays "vibraphone" with the midi-technology of her organ in this video.
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Or how about a pipe organ solo by Barbara? This one is an improvisation based on her composition "Downtown N.Y." from her album "That's Me"(the RUclips title is misleading); some parts from compositions of Johann Sebastian Bach and Felix Mendelssohn are also worked in.
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Her relationship with Jimmy Smith started like this: When Barbara Dennerlein was fifteen years old she took place in an organ talent contest to which Jimmy Smith was invited as guest of honor; he wasn't a member of the jury though. Barbara played a jazz number and came in as second in the contest, the one who won played a pop song. The contestants who landed on places 1-3 were asked to play again. The one who won the contest played the same pop song. Barbara decided to play a different jazz number than the one she had played in the contest, and while she was playing she noticed someone gently putting her hair, which was very long at that time, aside to sit down beside her and play together with her - Jimmy Smith! This was of course a slap in the face for the jury; the great Jimmy Smith playing with the one they had put in second place! The one who came in third wisely decided not to play again after this.
For several years Jimmy and Barbara kept a good friendship; they appeared at each others concerts, went to restaurants together and the likes. Then in 1988 the German TV-show Jazz-Club thought it was a good idea to invite both Barbara and Jimmy to the show; they were supposed to do a number together. Shortly before the show started Barbara asked Jimmy what they should play, and suddenly he turned furious: "You and me play together? They don't pay me enough for that"! Apparently Jimmy was afraid of the direct comparison and that he might come out "second", whatever that means. Fancy that - the man who many consider to have been the best jazz organist in the world was afraid to play together with Barbara Dennerlein! In a weird way this is the highest compliment for Barbara, but of course it is sad too. As Barbara often says: "Music is a communication, not a competition"; she definitely doesn't like attributes like "the best". So they both appeared at the show, but not playing together.
Here is one of the tunes she played in that show, "Tribute to Charlie" which is from her 1987 album of the same name; the Charlie in question is Charlie Parker. The number starts with a bass pedal solo; Barbara is accompanied by Thomas Brill on guitar and Andreas Witte on drums. If you are curious what Jimmy Smith played on that show we could give you a link to that too.
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There are many more videos of her on RUclips; just look them up when you become addicted to her (as we are certain you will). We saw her live several times, and it was always a great experience.
you should have watched the rest of the video :(
Not too many groups that can play great music with distractions going on all over their bodies.
The roxy L.P. version is a bit better and the original. Sounds better than this one for me.
This is the kind of performance that always made me uneasy. Long tours I guess. If I had a camera following me around 30 years back there would be moments of cringe. I've always seen this as one of the late 60's early 70's attempts at a feminist perspective on free love. The balance of power here is still skewed, but from what I remember as a young girl who was only 14 in 1980 it was a lot worse for many. I admired Pamela when I finally read about her in music magazines and the Guardian in the early 80s. Frank Zappa was never going to be woke, and mostly for the right reasons. But only mostly. As with most great artists, he went way over the line at times. Unlike some fans, I've never begrudged Gail her recent strops. For all I admire the man, he deserved it. For years he was treated as some kind of saint by many lauded as a man who never did what he sang. Oh yes he did. But in the end, it's the body of work that counts. And that far outweighs his indiscretion.
You also have to take into account the era in which Frank lived, and given he was a performer in the burgeoning rock industry, he was surrounded by women like Pam. It is not an indictment of all women, but at that time, 'free love' or more accurately, recreational sex was everywhere. It continued from the 60s through most of the 70s, and it wasn't until AIDS emerged that people finally toned down their behavior. As far as lauding him as a saint for not doing what he sang, who were these people? I have been a fan of his for nearly 50 years, and I never thought he was a saint in any way. In the USA we still have an underlying Puritan ethic that makes many cringe at things like nudity or sex, yet that is a lie too, just look at the porn industry. Too many pretend to be morally upright in public, while being rather decadent in private. From the very beginning Frank saw that, and a lot of his 'saucier' lyrical excursions just exposed that hypocrisy.
@@Peter-K Sure. Frank Zappa had a very sharp eye for social norms and society but free love in practice was very one-sided sex-wise, that much I remember myself as a girl at the time. Despite the intellect, his penis did too much talking and thinking at times. Ruth for example is constantly lauded for being a sex object as well as a musician. He couldn't see past that.
Pamela Des Barres, nee Miller. GTO(Girls Together Outrageously)was/is about as famous as "I'm with the band-y'know(wink) got. Wadda funbuncha guisendollz. Probably Democrats. EVERYBODY votes, or gets one. ;>D
p.s. Get over it, they'd've just claymationed his hands, face, more of her or something very like.
It must have been a real cognitive dissonance to be playing in Zappa's band (knowing his requirements for his players) and also trying not to be distracted by being danced on lol...
Love the tunes. Both of them! But yeh, a bit uncomfortable watching the performance through the lense of today's standards
Remind me, what are they again, today's standards?
@@stevedotwood when are you calling from?
@@markdearlove8634 I'm from the past "tense" 🤣
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@@markdearlove8634 I, for one, care less for them...today's standards I mean.
It's frank zappa. No shit. U think anythin is necessary like Pam in the theater? I enjoyed how everyone in the band enjoyed themselves in this piece. I can c why "certain" females will hate. But that comes with the territory of Frank's music/stunts. I enjoyed this act.
.....n I know...nobody asked me. 😑
The music is brilliant but the stoned lady crawling around the stage is too embarrassing. I can’t watch.