Will Brexit Lead to a United Ireland? Why 42% of Northern Ireland Support Leaving the UK - TLDR News
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Polling over the last few years has shown a significant shift in support for Northern Irish Independence and a United Ireland. There's a number of factors behind this change, so in this video we unpack the different attitudes toward the union, why some people want a united Ireland and if Brexit kickstarted this whole situation?
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Would be darkly funny if after all of the fuss with Northern Ireland and Scotland if Wales was the first to leave.
Genious. XD This is an actual LOL for me!
Would be more funnier and unexpected if England left.
Unlikely to ever happen. There's a reason why Wales isn't on the union flag but is. From a legal standpoint Wales isn't Scotland. People asume each of the four nations is the same. They're not. Don't misunderstand me Wales should have the right is Scotland but it has more legal hurdles to juggle before they could even state they want a referendum. Scotland may leave. Northen Ireland and Wales unlikely.
@@bradavon how about England?
@@bradavon It was just a joke, though. But still, the pandemic has created more divisions between nations and bolstered the demonstrations of each one's powers across the board. Wales has especially demonstrated what self governance they have through restricting travel as well as the results of recent elections.
I live within viewing distance of Wales and have visited several times. But I'm Scottish. I grew up with family members that were involved in politics during the push for devolution and included me and my younger sister in campaigns. I can tell you with certainty that Wales may not have the same legal or historical legacy, but there is very much the same air of being in a different place and culture that Scotland had just during devolution and continued to grow since. The way that the British government has been in recent decades, how badly they are messing up now and how left out of everything Wales has been when it comes to negotiations and considerations for the people, it's not hard to imagine people getting fed up and demanding more controls.
I'm starting to believe that Brexit may have single-handedly ended the UK.
You wish!
It certainly has all the hall marks of this, and all stemming from the English being right royally pissed off with Westminster 😳
One can hope
That's why I voted to leave the EU.
Just a creative question: _could Scotland, North Ireland & the Irish Republic form a „Scorish Union“ to keep both north Ireland & Scotland directly in the EU when they leave the UK?_
United Kingdom: "WE'RE LEAVING THE EU!! WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY"
*Northern Ireland Considers Leaving*
United Kingdom: "You weren't suppose to do that"
Seems both Northern Ireland and Scotland doing it now lol
@@arnabbiswasalsodeep they’re not doing it it’s all talk
Didn't they have a vote not long ago? Or do we keep having votes until it suits the narrative of whoever fails?
I'm from Northern Ireland and the vast majority of people want to remain in the UK 🇬🇧
@@handlesarefeckinstupid No there has not been a vote, there is a provision for a vote in the Good Friday Agreement but it has not happened
People should have thought twice before voting for Brexit
But the red passports!
In Star Trek canon, Ireland re-unified in 2024. Just sayin'.
Yeah crazy how fictional characters can randomly say a year for re-unified
just saying
@@doom1894 simpsons predicted trump winning 2016 election. Just sayin
Data was a staunch republican
@@speartongamer6080 He ran for president in 2000
That episode was banned in the UK for mentioning that. Yes, really. Whether or not it was banned for that subject matter, or because it was mentioned in a list of political successes achieved through terrorism I'll leave up to you to decide.
It's so ironic that the parties (DUP and Tories) that support the union are the ones likely to cause the break-up of the kingdom
I mean, the parties and movements that break up the union should surely be held accountable for it if it happens. This just sounds like a rhetorical way of shifting the blame in advance: "yeah so separation went horribly but it's the Tories' fault".
Pathetic delusion, right there!
I really don't think that the Tories give a toss about northern Ireland's future. If they did , then I haven't seen any evidence that shows it".
@@briancohenthepfjmassive.4769 Well, they are called "The Conservative & Unionist Party" that's a hint- and the fact they crafted the Protocol, which could work if interpreted and implemented correctly.
@@alexpotts6520 “Held accountable” as if they haven’t openly campaigned for it and democratic won votes for it. The Tories claim to be pro-union and yet are dismantling it while destroying the country socially and economically with every passing day. You are delusional.
As an Englishman, I have long been in favour of Irish unity. Even more important since Brexit.
Definitely. Then they can stop behaving like victims and fight each other without blaming England.
@@terranaxiomuk ye gammony clowns have been whining that the EU is being mean to you for 7 years now!
Ye are damn lucky they didn't take the UK's approach to a member voting to leave.
As an Irishman I’ve been long in favour of Irish unity under the United Kingdom as it once was.
I'm old and live in Canada, and can remember often reading about the problems in Ireland. The peace has been wonderful, and I hope it can make it through these troubling times.
I love Canada, it's a wonderful country, hope that I could visit one day
Yeah the DUP aren’t helping threats to end stormont make the opposition to the Irish language act look minor
what if quebec told the rest of canada its living and taking the money with them
@@cjryan88 What money? They've been getting money from the rest of Canada for awhile now. They'd go broke and fall apart the moment they'd separate
@@cjryan88 As a Quebecer, I'm more worried about Alberta leaving.
imagine brexit taking so long because of the northern irish border dispute, just for ireland to reunite. That would be an amazing kick in the teeth.
No it wouldn't.
You say reunite was ireland ever United under one ruler except England and then the uk.
@@maxdavis7722 Ireland has been united many times in history, the all island rule started to end when the Normans first invaded giving them a strong control over Dublin, however the rest of the country stayed pretty unified under a High King and four provincial Kings (think barons or dukes). It was only when Cromwell invaded with his forces that Ireland fully came under British rule, and even then it took another hundred years before full control of the west was completed
Nothing stays the same it's time for change and build a new Ireland for all stop the voilance then cut ties
@@ronniemacullaugh7916 you were hardly enslaved during the entire time.
The DUP has done more for Irish Unity in the past few years than Sinn Fein has in the past few decades 😂
After having to study Northern Irish history its sad how useless both those parties have been.
@@snare5903 The North is only going one way and that is towards a United Ireland, whether it be 5 years or 50 years. Sinn Fein & The DUP won’t be able to bring the country forward into that, it’s up to the SDLP, the UUP & Alliance Party now to sort a compromise that works for all.
@@_dorsian it will never happen , its too deep in the mind of people
@@pureloyalist9277 Of course it will, times are changing. The entire population in the north will soon be replaced with generations of people who remember nothing of the divisions of the past. As said in the video, even religious beliefs are becoming less of a factor.
@@pureloyalist9277 Numbers matter in a democracy and if enough vote to hold a referendum then enough vote to push through change, change will happen.
But you must have seen that poll of tory party members which said 72% of them would be happy to lose NI if it meant getting the brexit England wants.
If NI gets in the way of their brexit, you're toast.
Is it my hearing, or does this guy think that the words "Ireland" and "island" have exactly the same pronunciation?
Well... I'd say the pronunciation difference in GB is much more subtle than it is in Ireland
No, he's definitely saying 'Ireland of island'... every time.
@@joetheprogrammer0 So you are saying that GB people are inept at pronunciation...I agree!!
@@colors6692 In much that same way that some English-speaking countries are inept at spelling.
@@oldnelson4298 😂Totally true.
Plot Twist: Wales, Ireland and Scotland join into a single country called the Celtic Union.
I didn't see your post but I said exactly the same thing! What are the odds of that? Great minds, eh?
the only way
That would be fantastic!
Ireland is way more developed than shitholes Wales and Scotland
Let Brittany and Cornwall join aswell
As someone living in Ireland I don’t see it happening at least for another decade, however the non hardcore unionists are starting to see that the UK simply doesn’t care about them. I think it’ll take a massive effort to reunify Ireland but it’ll be worth it in the end
I'm surprised to hear it's not happening faster
But having said that sometimes things aren't linear
I like the NHS thanks
@@vinniechan a lot of it is cultural too. Unionism's a very deeply entrenched political position, and it's been held for going on a hundred years. That it's happening this fast is genuinely shocking.
@@lukeorru5074 that’s fine by me. Vote with the unionists if you like, our Irish healthcare system still needs a revamp I’m not gonna lie to you
The priority before any border poll is dismantling the walls that divide communities in Belfast. Efforts should be made to build trust and respect for both traditions. Loyalist paramilitaries are terrorising their own communities,they built the walls. Similar on nationalist side.
An informative video. I think you glossed over the circumstances in which partition came about in Ireland and the general mistreatment of catholics by Britain, which inevitably led to civil war. It would provide a bit more context for viewers. Catholics in Northern Ireland were second class citizens in their own country. It’s a dark side of UK history that many people in GB don’t seem to fully understand.
Bull shit
@freneticness _ You forget to mention the Sectarian Violence during the 1920s it killed nearly 400 people mainly Catholics and the establishment of the B specials which acted as a Protestant paramilitary force.
What is a "Black and Tan"?
@@davidwuhrer6704 they were a British paramilitary force recruited from ex WW1 soldiers. They behaved appallingly often inflicting collective punishment on whole villages for attacks on them .
@@Ofsaintsandsinners UVF*
Looks like we might be on the way to when referring to the United Kingdom as “ the UK” to just “the K” as it doesn’t seem to be to United anymore…
Also hasn't had a King for a long time. That German lass has been hogging the throne, poor aul Charlie should have just bumped Di off, the divorce was a waste of time in the end. A widower king is one thing but a divorcee? Lizzie says "Nein, Nein, Nein!"
I'm sure some would prefer to call England a Queendom.
I can not believe how close we have come to Star Treks prediction, hope it happens on the exact date if it does
What exactly was that prediction?
Data said that the Ireland had been reunified in 2024, partly through terrorist activity (episode is "The High Ground").
Glad to see you all calling for The Troubles again! All for the vapid joke to align with a mediocre show... A new low.
@@adarkimpurity wise the bap. Op clearly wasn’t doing that snowflake.
@@adarkimpurity First of all, shut up, second of all, OP was referring to the year of 2024 alone
The DUP should get an award for their contribution towards Irish reunification
@Charlie Munster Charlie your deluded.
Sinn Fein and the SDLP think they have Irish Unity in the bag.
Far from it. I think people are going to vote with their wallets not with theory or idiolatory. Even the enemies of Northern Ireland don't want to leave and that is fact. We are much better off than the rip off south.
Have a nice day.
@Charlie Munster I just hope it won't be Yugoslavia type of breakup
@@normanwilson8246 it's precisely wallet problems that will likely cause Irish unification. See, the precious status quo pre Brexit is how people get by around those parts. The new hard border, land or sea, changes all of this.
They are unionists. Secretly means they support the Union of Ireland 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
😂
Feels like it’s gonna be United Kingdom of England and Wales by 2030 lmao
Just a creative question: _could Scotland, North Ireland & the Irish Republic form a „Scorish Union“ to keep both north Ireland & Scotland directly in the EU when they leave the UK?_
@@elisabethwittner5539 that wouldn’t happen Scotts r literally x100 more likely to remain in UK then join an independent Ireland lmao
@@elisabethwittner5539 it would have to bring a big bank in and you'd be talking "Celtic Tiger" 2. In if it goes as badly as the first one they will drop into a massive recession. Then you have the EU who won't approve it anyway as it goes against their values of internal trade/business deals if they decide to rejoin.
It wont happen.. Scotland will go bankrupt in just 5 years if they go solo.. Same with northen island... Britexit and 1 year lockdown got them angry a little bit. Just give them 4 years and the fealing will be gone
Wales doesn't want to stick with England either!
Things I have learned in this video: In certain accents, ‘Ireland’ and ‘Island’ are almost indistinguishable.
Definitely not in Scottish accent😂 🏴 🇮🇪☘️
Not true at all...we have a strong almost guttaral R sound so there is definitely a distinction between the two
Its the English having largely the R sound to become R less almost arseless
Yes! A united Ireland NOW!
Absolutely
Never.
@@STEINLAR why?
@@sodthelotayou3712 Because most the Northern Irish are descended from Great Britain.
Northern Ireland would be too much of an economic burden to the Republic than the British. N.I alone receives 5 billion annually from Westminster which is something I doubt the Irish would be able to maintain. Also there will be very likely be higher taxes if Ireland was united in order to compensate for Northern Expenses
Just want to note and make a distinction that your IRA picture is from the 1920's and not the troubles. The IRA name was later used by the paramilitary group.
Actually the photo was of the IRA's 3rd Tipperary brigade during the war of independence 1919-1921. But it doesn't matter the history of the IRA is also complicated as there have been 6 groups called the IRA😂
@@cathaloneill504 yeh I just updated it there 😉 Wikipedia eh?
Agreed. That was the Old IRA.
The original ira was a paramilitary group even the 1920s.. holy shit do you even know what paramilitary means because they clearly were one
@@doom1894 alright doom, if that is your real name! I was just highlighting the picture is incorrect in this context. Luckily we have experts like yourself hiding behind anonymous profiles to make corrections.
I think if Scotland leaves northern Ireland will follow
and about 10 years later on Wales -- will pull a Montenegro and leave through the back door.
no it not
And then Welsh independence will get all the attention
@@ryanxgames5988 wdym
I hope so
If Scotland leaves then there won't be a union for unionists to aspire to and they will have to change their name to "mates of England and Wales (who don't really want them tbh)"
As Robert emmet once famously said “ Ireland unfree shall never be at peace “. It’s so very true
Correct me if I wrong but wasn't that Patrick Pearse..?
@@michaelahern6821 you’re correct Michael! My apologies
@@johnoconnell6231 Think it was the funeral of O' Donovan Rossa...Robert Emmets is much more powerful tbh.." when Ireland takes its place among the nations of the Earth then and only then shall my epitaph be writren"...He had a very bad end an execution that was utterly barbaric and cruel..
@@michaelahern6821 you certainly know your Irish history more so than myself! Unfortunately back in the 70s when I was in primary school Irish history was poorly taught subject. 1916 was barely ever mentioned to us
@@johnoconnell6231 Ha...!! We're probably the same age...I was in primary school in the 70s myself...thankfully I was taught by a Christian Brother who was as passionate about our history as I was...today...I fear it will be regarded more as a curiosity...its a shame really..
Plot twist: Wales will be the first to leave
Or Cornwall with a complete upset from the rear of the pack.
@@elennet4116 I'm Welsh pal
@@tomosprice8136 I'm really sorry Sir
I’m hoping for London to leave, as someone not from that toxic cesspit.
Yorkshire .
I feel like it's either gonna be both independent Scotland and united Ireland or none.
something-something surviving colonial structure into the dustbin of history
@@toyotaprius79 Scotland was never colonised
which would be shit for both britain and europe
@@frostleaf7833 how is an independent scotland and united ireland bad for europe?
No independence for Scotland No United lreland NEVER NEVER NEVER
I don't believe in karma, but seeing this tempts me to start believing in it. If Brexit - a decision supported by NI unionists and that threatened a foundation (lack of border between NI and the Irish Republic) that convinced NI nationalists to sign the Good Friday Agreement - would end up being a major contributing factor to Irish unification, that would certainly be in line with the whole karma thing.
N. Ireland - exists
Balkans: Finally a worthy opponent
more like the other way around
@@thepittstop Impossible....
@@cakeisyummy5755 no. The issue in Ireland is much older than issues in the Balkans
Brexit: We destroyed (our) Union to protect it from (European) Union.
but only in your wishful britain-hating imagination :D
😅😂
@@TheBarca1889
The British union is dead and it was the mostly English voted Brexit that originated that...
Britain only sees England Scotland Wales as the union
…how would you destroy that which you never had 🤔
Very good video as usual it's great to see ye addressing sensitive topics like this. Only thing I'll say is maybe orange wasn't the best colour to use to represent nationalists in the graphs👍
Great shout, thanks for the note James - Jack
@@TLDRnews what happens to your intro?
Lmao yep. Irish lass I was working with last year I could not help to give shit to by asking if it was right for her to wear a fluro orange workshirt 😂
@TDLR
.If people check the polls carefully they show that only a third of protestants still support the uk.
On average only aboot 8% of catholics. Though figures given are often deliberately misleading.
However there are those who are calling for a separate NI state.
You don't mention how the Orangemen invited unionists to NI with British government backing. While those who considered themselves as Irish were given jobs in England
IMHO colonialism is the true problem. Even if religion has been used to divide and rule.
@@benangel3268 colonialism was the cause of Northern Ireland but that doesn’t help the modern political discussion, settlement was wrong but the reality is the people living in Northern Ireland a regardless of politics or religion are northern Irish. The unionists have lived there for many generations, the unionists today are not the colonisers of the 16 and 1700s
Desde España, fuerza Irlanda (pronto estaréis unidos).
You shouldn’t make Irish Catholics orange, as the colour orange is tied to unionists.
"the DUP has done more for Irish Unity" I would posit that unionists in general have done far more damage the the union since 2014 than nationalist have in the last 100 years. with support for English independence at 49%, welsh at 40%, Scottish at 53% and Irish reunification at 42% the dissolution of the UK is all but inevitable
Only because the Nationalists have good knowledgeable leaders in post. This is going to still be the case with the new unionist leader. In fact he is likely to accelerate the process.
NI unionists are like an abused spouse that keeps going back for more punishment because they're convinced "deep down" they really love them!
🤣🤣🤣 aye just like us Scots
Who is the Republic of Ireland in this scenario? The estranged father? The mistress?😏
@@user-nf9xc7ww7m the one they should be with. The kindred spirit.
One land, one history, one culture, except people whose ancestors arrived hundreds if years ago chose never to integrate.
@@brianmmacu "we" (The majority) don't want your culture. Go to the ROI if you care so much, stop gurning about shit that happened a hundred years ago and move on.
Bullshit. The Loyalist freed themselves and Ireland from the British state, and Irish state and British state allied against the Loyalists to overthrow their Parliament. It's the refusal of the Irish nation and British state to accept the existence of the Loyalist nation that had caused all this conflict. The Loyalist can't accept any vote for a united Ireland, they will go to war against the British state and Irish state to stop it and they will win. The question is will the conflict spread to Ireland and Britain.
Well, this video, while ok, has not aged well. It just goes to show you that Ireland is still a mystery to the people outside of the country and that the narrative which Britain has controlled for the past 100 years is weak and fell at the first chance. The borders of Northern Ireland were literally drawn to make sure that this vote did not happen, to make sure that Northern Ireland would never ever be able to reunite with the rest of Ireland. And yet it happened. It just goes to show you that imperialism doesn't usually end well. Looking forward to a united Ireland soon.
Edit: also, we don't forget, we don't forget the so-called famine, we don't forget the 800 years of death and destruction, we don't forget the fact that Irish people did not have a vote in Northern Ireland and that we had to fight for it, we see the yearly loyalist bonfires that say 'death to taigs' and where they burn photos of our heroes. We're tired of it lol.
Most Brits won't mind at all if northern Ireland chooses to leave as long as it's peaceful. The younger generation have no animosity towards the Irish and want to move past the conflict. The whole Catholic/Protestant part has really disappeared since most younger Brits wouldn't even particularly consider England Scotland and Wales to be protestant countries anymore given how secular they are. That being said I think there isn't enough awareness about the history of Ireland, but I blame the education system for that.
Catholics had the same voting rights as protestants in Northern Ireland.
@@colincampbell4261 Look this up ypu twit... Gerrymandering
I lived in Belfast for several years and worked for a Northern Irish company for several years prior. A 10 minute video would never explain the complexity of the issue but let me give some observations.
1. It was never a conflict between the Protestants and Catholics. There have been prominent Protestant Nationalists and some hailed today as symbols of Ireland like Arthur Guinness was actually a Unionist. On the other hand most Catholics are Nationalists and most Protestants are Unionists. That being said the Nationalists were more united under one Church while the Protestants were split among themselves based on their specific church. Considering progressing laicization, particular among the Catholics (CC pedophilia, state run houses for pregnant single mothers etc.) the faith plays increasingly smaller role.
2. Demographics are changing. The new generation of protestants which were born after the Good Friday Agreement or shortly before, who either grew up, worked socialize with the catholic youth are more inclined towards the United Ireland than their parents and grandparents are. There is less hatred there.
3. You had IRA n the Nationalists side but you also had the protestant equivalent conducting murders and acts of terrorism in UDA, UDF etc. They are not called "terrorists" but "paramilitary groups". Since the armed conflict died down large sections of those groups (It's is possible the same happened to IRA but I didn't hear much about it) turned to criminal endeavors - prostitution and drugs. That resulted in support for them dwindling away with many young protestants seeing them as a sort of a mafia group.
4. When I left NI in 2014 things were still looking pretty good. A lot of big investments in Belfast were driven by EU funds and the city was on the up. Since then (though it's hard to say what the turning point was but I don't believe it was Brexit) things went down south. Suicide among young men is extremely high due to lack of perspectives, a lot of companies moved out, NHS in NI was near collapse even before Covid so god only knows how bad they handled it. If the economic situation will continue to deteriorate joining the South which has become a very wealth country in a short space of time will look much more attractive.
5. People will vote with their wallets. I remember when a Protestant friend of mine (In his late 40s) told me he talked with the Catholics he worked with about how they would vote (bare in mind that was 12 years ago) they told him that they would probably vote against independence because their jobs were secure, there were many promising projects etc....I remember my Catholic friend (again 12 years ago, in his mid 20s) tell me that when he was growing up you could tell when you were entering Ireland when the roads got s*it. When I spoke to him recently and he told me he took a trip down to Dublin and these days it's exactly the opposite - you know when you enter ROI when the roads stop being s*it.
6. Religion. One of the biggest objection from the Protestants in NI towards the South was the Catholic Church. The influence it had on the government and people, it's backwardness etc. Fast forward to today and you have an increasingly laic society in ROI with legalized abortion and same sex marriage and you have the backward NI with some of the most restrictive abortion laws in Europe and DUP party leaders who believe in creationism...
Thank you so much for all this info, I'm very interested in the issue, I don't know NI, but yes ROI, and I always have thought Who wouldn't like to be irish? 😅, wonderful country, wonderful people, traditions... Everything!
Man I want to buy that sofa. But brexit. And importing is expensive
With destination being Germany I ordered a DVD from Britain: 2,5 weeks. Then I ordered tea in France: 2,5 days.
EU is kinda neat after all...
@@thelightsilent if only it were true 😂
If only there was some sort of system where trade could be done easily between Britain and other European countries (sorry I just really wanted to)
@@thelightsilent Remoaners should all take part in the EU vaccination program
@@thelightsilent Someone's off his meds, I see. Must be the delay in import from Ireland...
The island of Ireland is an interesting phrase with your accent 🤔 had to really pay attention lol
@@thelightsilent Quite literally not one bit of this is true and a simple google will show that. Perhaps seek help for your delusion. I’m all for genuine debate and discussion on topics but not jingoism and misinformation.
@The Leaprachaun I don’t see any sign of thinking at all there lol
@Martin Cregan I think Russian was that other guy's first language
Juat ignore TheLightSilent, they are just copy and pasting that comment.
Ah-land versus oh-land 😋
5:24 ... "So, what has Foster done to change the tides against her own cause?"
She trusted the Tories.
It's like people are incapable of learning.
Correct....Never,ever,trust a Tory.
I find the name Unionist very confusing, saying that the Unionists are against a united Ireland sounds very weird
The union of the United Kingdom?
You just don't understand it
"We got DUPed?"
You had it coming when you picked that name.
We was Duped....
I lived in belfast for 4 years. I'm glad I'm out now. It will be at least 2 generations yet before anything happens. Its shame because the people are generally lovely and friendly. But its still a very very divided place. I'm so so glad i don't have to explain to my daughter why she can't play certain sports or go to certain schools.
Living in the Netherlands, met some lads from the north of Ireland in an Irish pub, said Sláinte and holy shit, I didn't realise there even was hate for Irish people on the island.
When Scotland get their independence I just hope they follow. I wish they realised Britain don't see them as British.
@@aaaaa4697 Britain doesn't see Scottish as British?
@@Obi_boy The north of Ireland
@@Obi_boy Scotland doesn't see Scotland as British
@@nhearse hallf of the Scottish don't see themselves as British... but also that half live in a dream world where they think they would have a successful economy in reality they would be Poland but with whiskey to sell
As long as they are careful and patient, the Irish Republicans will win out
Never.
But...how can the south afford it,how can they control nearly 1 Million people who don’t want to be Irish...
@@STEINLAR you would be better off,at least the south would care for you,Westminster just sees you as an expense.
@@paulritchie5868 Well, if it gets to that demographic point of a Republican Catholic majority, even if the south doesn't want it, I can see Northern Ireland declaring unilateral independence, possibly creating a second Irish state
Perhaps, if it comes to that point, new generations of young Northern Irish protestants will be less strongly Unionist, perhaps coupled with a rise of parties like the Alliance, or more reconciliatory toward the idea of Irish reunification. Perhaps find a certain pride in the identity of being an Irish Protestant.
In the 1990s, a majority of White South Africans ended up turning against apartheid in the referendum then. Even if a significant number remain fairly resistant or afraid of integration with other South Africans and a great majority don't support the ANC, they've mostly come to accept the new South Africa as it is.
Or perhaps they won't. If the Unionist communities remain steadfastly opposed to leaving the UK in any form, I suppose we could carve up Northern Ireland into numerous enclaves and municipalities (communities are pretty sectarian-divided already), that resemble a bantustan or something from the Balkans, or the enclave-ridden borders the British Empire left behind in many former colonies. All to form a disjointed Ulster Kingdom/Ulster Federation or Community of Ulster Municipalities or something.
@@paulritchie5868 No government is perfect, but I'd take the one that allows me to live in the country with my English and Scottish brothers and sisters that settled Ulster
I'm just going to say it because no one else will. Britain is not desperately holding on to northern Ireland. There is a million protestants up there who say "Oh, If Republic of Ireland wants the North back so bad, there gonna have to take it from our. Dead. Bodies" Ireland and the UK made an agreement that the protestants up north could have the north, and trying to take it back would mean civil war. The Taoiseach isn't willing to risk something like that over a petty piece of land that they agreed to give up.
You should have talked about how the Good Friday Agreement allows Northern Ireland to hold a referendum on its own, without British support, and then leave if a majority say they want to join the Republic of Ireland
Wouldn’t that technically mean it’d be the newest eu member? Sure it would instantly reunify but it would technically be the newest member
Both a united Ireland and an independent Scotland are pretty much inevitabilities.
The demographic has been moving one way and one way only - on both those issues - for 30 or 40 years now.
Currently, among school-age children in Northern Ireland, 33% are Protestant, 51% Catholic.
Doesn't take a maths genius to see what's happening there.
The apartheid settlers in NI will start a war if a united Ireland is pushed on us. As a member of a physical-force Republican family, I am opposed to any unity with these settler pieces of shit.
So you think people will vote according to religion ?
If I was Northern Irish, I'd be mainly interested in rejoining the EU. Whether that be as part of ROI, Scotland or as an Independent country would be less relevant.
I wouldn't let my religion dictate my future. By that logic, NI should join the Netherlands.
@@melvynobrien6193 The problem with this argument is that these 'Settlers' by ancestry are Irish. Since most cam from Scotland and the Scots came from Ireland and settled there taking the land from what was the Picts. Where the name Scots and Scottish originated in Ireland showing their ancestry. So in essence they returned to there ancestors home. Though most would probably deny that history on both sides.
Regardless how accurate inevitable is I will be holding my breath until the moment the final vote is counted
@@melvynobrien6193 yea no stfu shit like that is gonna be Unionist propaganda to try and stop a United Ireland happening anyone causing trouble after a borderpoll will be swiftly dealt with by the army and police see any violent loyalists will quickly learn its not so hard to get away with killing people when you don't have the RUC and the British army colluding with you to murder people and cover up murders survalience technology dna forensics and intelligence gathering has increased so much that any people causing violence will be quickly lifted
Let's not forget the citizens of the republic of Ireland also have to agree to unification.
A recent poll shows as little as 1 in 8 citizens of the Irish republic would agree to unification once the financial aspects of higher taxes and lower living standards are taken into account.
Seems they would only want unification if they don't have to pay for it.
I really doubt they would care that much about the financial aspect, I mean like really I can't see any party able to ague against retaking core territory and knocking the excolonizer down a notch. It would just be so unpatriotic given that these are your people too, and you can arguably grant them a better life in the EU than within a union that doesn't really give a shit about northern Ireland.
I know of only one instance where something like this happened, and that was parts of Germany and Austria (legitimately and illegitimately) tried to join Switzerland after WW1 but it refused. The reason there was that everybody informed and of right mind knew that Versailles was more of a truce, and Germany would retaliate against any it deemed to have done wrong. So they refused because they played this game for 500 years and didn't want to take chances at being the first snack in the next World War.
There is no problem for Ireland to just joink it. Only if the US would do some self damaging brain spasm would there even be consequences.
@@h4xorzist
Well it's clear to see what side you are coming from.
People are becoming less and less patriotic. It's more to do with living standards nowadays.
And do you really think people would tell lies on a poll were they have nothing to win or lose? Personally I doubt it and believe the poll is accurate.
Even from conversations I've had with some Catholics, even one who was brought up in a hard line republican area, they are more interested in were they would be better off.
They tell me that attitudes among many of the young people in typically hardline areas are changing from what they used to be.
Hundreds and thousands of years ago, invasion and conquest was the way of the world. The Spanish, Normans, Romans, Vikings etc etc
Apart from Russia, most countries have left that behind in the past where it belongs. Most reasonable people understand that and don't seek any sort of revenge for conquests that occurred centuries ago.
"A recent poll" sounds like the typical "a recent study...", lol. There is always "a recent study" (in this case "a recent poll") at hand in order to back your arguments without need to provide any reference.
@@Karthagast
Politico poll Ireland unification
@@Karthagast
There's also another recent poll conducted by the university of Liverpool which shows only 29% of respondents in Northern Ireland would vote for a united Ireland.
This can be found easily online as well.
Not sure ORANGE was the appropriate colour on the graph to represent a united Ireland. 🙈
Why not?
(I'm Dutch and not knowledgeable about the finer details of the Troubled history)
@@MrNicoJac Its because of William of Orange who is a key figure for unionists
@@theflushee6202
Our William of Orange was a key for the Union??? 👀
So much history didn't seem relevant when I was in high school 😂
Ironically funny
That graph that is repeated so many times, needs a line for "undecided". England has screwed itself by not living up to the "united" in United Kingdom and instead treating No. Ireland, Scotland, and Wales as "poor relations" and not as equals. It's no wonder that talk of independence from England is growing in all three areas.
More people live in England, so the vote in England is often the decision of the whole UK. It’s like how some states in America have 20-50 electoral votes and other states only have 3, it’s due to the population.
"This peaceful campaign for change was ultimately overtaken by the IRA."
Hmm... maybe you could have explained why and not just skipped over the entire event of Bloody Sunday?
Exactly ! It was way way way too simplified. The Protestants and the UK authorities ignited the violence.
I hate the blame being put on catholics as that wasn't the case.
This bothers me too: One does not rise up in armed insurrection against the government just for the craic...
I’m certainly glad that I’m not the only one who picked up on that little whitewashed nugget.
The truth is that the whole debacle aka “the troubles” kicked off when the unionists started attacking peaceful protesters, and to suggest otherwise is either disingenuous or ignorance or both.
@@josephmanning1438 Wait, isn't the start of the troubles widely reported as a consequence of the "Battle of the Bogside" in which Protestant Apprentice Boys and Catholic Nationalists attacked each other after jeering and insults?
1:35 they explicitly acknowledge that compressing 100 years of northern irish history here is near impossible
The country should never have been divided in the first place - the English have a ghastly record in the treatment of the Irish and the DUP seems to be the last receptacle of English imperialism in the Ireland - the sooner the country is re-united the better.
I agree the history of English/British rule in Ireland is appalling... But one can presume that non division of Ireland in 1921 would now be all happy days, but would it? At best now Ireland would have a British monarch and the London Privy Council as its supreme Court. At worse there could have been on going civil war with an unionist/protestant version of the Basque ETA planting bombs in Dublin.. The ethnic heterogeneity of the six counties with the growing pop of Catholic mainly Irish Nationalists near to being the majority means a united Ireland is inevitable. But let's make it a peaceful union... The best way forward is a condominium btwn the UK and Eire to help ease the divided community of NI I to the ROI.. A condominium as an interim measure means that Irish unity will simply not appear to be such a big deal to eithier NI Catholics or Protestants as sudden unification..
@@pyellard3013 maybe. i think the catholic majority in ireland wouldnt have treated the protestant minority in the north quite as badly as the british state treated the catholics tbh. i dont think the weight of atrocity and injustice built up over britains occupation of ireland would have been comparable going the other way in order to fuel a unionist fight.
also a lot of this is poverty right? people have their causes, just causes, righteous even, but the reality is that people in comparative poverty cling to that hurt and let it set a narrative for their general outrage where people who are living comparatively comfortable lives hold a theoretical political grudge but ultimately get on with enjoying their comfortable lives. the catholics in places like derry lived in poverty and were underrepresented, they were financially, politically and socially second class citizens. the protestants in a united ireland would not have been a financial underclass like that. would they have been under represented on a political level? maybe, we will never know, but i think that element of being the poor man at the party that underpins a lot of sustained resentment wouldnt have been there.
The Irish split up Ireland, not the British.
@@necaacen I agree with much of what u say... But the Basques have not suffered disproportionate poverty in Spain but have always craved independence or, at least, autonomy..
@@summerrr1So u think an all Ireland ref in 1921 would have voted for a divided Ireland? You think the Irish set up two states? The Treaty setting up two Ireland states was only signed by the Irish because they had no alternative other than continued war with the British and because they were told there would be plebescites held in the border regions of the six counties. Those regions being majority Catholic & (if those areas joined the Free State) leaving a NI statelet that would have been economicially unviable. However, the British government knew this and therefore failed to hold the border polls.
One day must happen.
Old soldier first deployed there in 1969 and still doing tours when I left service in 1990.
John
There's no way NI will leave the UK before Scotland. Once Scotland leaves, however, it's a totally different scenario. There are massive historical ties between Ulster and Scotland (check out Ulster Scots as a nation). Scottish independence would make leaving much more attractive for the people of Northern Ireland; in fact an independent Scotland/NI would be a very realistic construction.
I agree with the point that Scotland would spur other’s but highly disagree with the “very real” possibility of it being a good idea
@@shooterblaze1 Depends on what you mean by "a good idea". We can see with Brexit that, depending on what assessment criteria you use, different people will come to different conclusions.
@@normanstewart7130 if anyone has anyway a brain you’ll be batter off without the EU
Celtic Alliance is the way forward. Discuss 😉
@Zockblatt Shickleblender "Ruled by Brussels" is just silly. Let's take an example. Ireland has told "Brussels" for years that it won't change its corporate tax rate; it has told "Brussels" to get lost.. Now the UK (through the G7) is bullying Ireland to get it to change its corporate tax rate.
While I'm English and generally a UK patriot, I'd be comfortable seeing NI leave and go into a united Ireland, if it can be done in a fair and reasonably peaceful way (big 'ifs'). It makes a HUGE amount of common sense and would solve a HUGE number of problems.
Respect. One of the best parts of such a scenario where the historical wrong is righted is that it sets the basis for a new relationship between the two islands, a friendship and partnership without any elephants in the room.
Wouldn’t solve any problems, unless your definition of “solving problems” is plunging Northern Ireland into another bloody civil war.
@@dan-860 Well that's why I said IF it can be done in a peaceful way. Obviously if you've got Unionists threatening civil war at hte very thought of it, then now is not the time. If the trends in opinion presented in this video are real and persistent however, then the time may come.
How on earth can you be a UK patriot and support NI leaving the UK to join the RoI and the EU? For a start it'd be against the will of the people of NI. Roughly 300,000 people from NI live and work in Great Britain. they're fully intergrated into the UK and they're British through and through. Talk about being brainwashed by Left Wing and Republican propaganda. 26 counties decided they were going to go their own way. Now they're in debt to the European troika and their currency is controlled by Brussels. Their laws are also inferior to EU laws. EU law is supreme. Good luck trying to pass yourself off as a UK patriot. Those 6 counties have never been a part of the Republic of Ierland. Theyy have been a part of the UK for over 220 years!
@@noodlyappendage6729 I said 'generally' a UK patriot: this is the one issue where I'd make an exception IF (and I also made this very clear) the people of NI voted for it freely and fairly AND it could be achieved relatively peacefully. Clearly this is not the case at the moment and it would be both premature and unwise to attempt it.
A meeting held in Stormont with the NI Port Authorities reported that there had been very little in the change in the about of the movement of goods going to Northern Ireland from Britain, in fact Warren Point saw an increase in traffic. However, there is a problem moving goods around the uk in general.
Great job! Most English people know very little on the topic and ypur video doesnt seem bias. I already new since im from NI but its always good to see other points of veiw
Boris Johnson: "We'll simply build a bridge to those people, problem solved. Can't be too hard, they're just across the water from Liverpool or somewhere up there"
I know right. If the Swedish can build a bridge to Denmark. Then so can we to Ireland 👍
@@JR-rv3xr I can't tell if you are serious or not
@@lorcster6694 The likely solution will be a underwater tunnel.
@@Iazzaboyce an underwater tunnel would be the only feasible option. The denmark sweden bridge is 7km and there is land between sweden and Denmark they built part of it on.. theres no land between ireland and britain
@@lorcster6694 The technology for an underwater tunnel is straightforward. The sea is constant calm state at 20+ metres and construction would be relatively quick and easy compared to bridge or land tunnel. It's just a matter of paying for it.
I honestly think l will see the entire break up of the whole UK in my lifetime. Wales might hang on for a while but who knows.
As much as it won't be the best for England economically. But I support it if that's what the people want.
God knows we haven't made things easy for them historically.
This "I support it if that's what the people want." Would you say it about anything else?
Bring back the death penalty? "I support it if that's what the people want." Ban all immigration from third-world countries? "I support it if that's what the people want."
Why is this different?
@@alexpotts6520 funny enough yes, and l disagree with both those statements. But l do have limits.
If my country is really fucked up to the point majority of people wanted a violent dictatorship then l would just find a way to leave. Because l don't want to be around a country that is made up primarily of people l am completely morally opposed to.
If you are suggesting "well the general public can't be trusted" then that line of thinking can get pretty problematic for a democracy.
Unless you want us to go full blown monarchy again....that be fun. Tottally going to end in violent overthrow...buuuut give it a shot eh?
@@madmike1708 Well, there is a difference between "I oppose this" and "I oppose this so strongly that I am prepared to overturn democracy."
I wouldn't go down the Spanish path and set the police on people exercising their democratic rights. But that doesn't mean I would support their goal, and if they won a referendum I wouldn't suddenly change my mind and pretend they had been right and I had been wrong all along.
I consider Wales a county
@@marinatedweasel5424 l ment Wales would be the last to leave probably
The Metro reported that 55.8% of Northern Ireland voters opted to remain in the EU. That includes both Catholics and Protestants.
A new Ireland, free of Boris Johnston, it'll be glorious 🙌
Under the EU!? be careful of what you wish for.
@@dinerouk yeah sure you do you. I'm happy as an EU citizen and that won't change.
I am an Englishman (so called protestant but I have thought for many years how wonderful it would be if the whole of Ireland was one country, living in peace and harmony. especially with the wonderful, friendly wit and attitude they seem to have.
The fly in the ointment is the fact that there are two very different (sometimes opposing) cultures.
Sorry mate but it's all a dream , you know as well as me and a lot of other people this won't work its been going on far to long its too deep cut to just shake hands and all will be back to normal the British government are to blame
@@pureloyalist9277 Northern Ireland oppose Brexit and respect their votes same as they respect the vote of the people of England and Wales. Stop enabling your tyrannical mentality stop your tyranny of majority! People of Northern Ireland prefer to stay with UK cause UK still part of EU, when UK is part of EU it sounds like the Northern Ireland Territory of United Kingdom and Republic of Ireland are united thru EU membership now they are divided due to UK leaving the EU.
@@2557carla what makes you so sure the people of Northern Ireland want unified it's all lies from lying media typical
@@pureloyalist9277 Bitch please, have you remember the vote of Brexit Referendum? Majority of people of Northern Ireland prefer to staying with EU and only the Wales which in favor leaving the EU.
I will have the sofa if you will ship to Australia...
You can find out how well the Brexiteers Unicorn CANZAC scheme is working. Let us know. Have also heard that the Kangeroo delivery service from Australia to Britain is still not up and running.
I can deliver you, but it will cost more than the sofa.
@@thelightsilent pity you hadn’t the same passion to get the British out of Ireland
@@thelightsilent How uneducated are we?
"Yes."
@@thelightsilent will they deliver a sofa to me?
Your description of the cause of the troubles was over simplified and unbalanced. On the 30th of January 1972 British forces opened fire on unarmed protestor, hitting 26 and killing 14.
As an Irishman from the North, Belfast to be exact, I would love to see the reunification of my country. Westminster Portioned it 100 years ago this year from the rest of the Country unfairly, going against the majority of Irishmen and Women who wanted to break away from the UK and form an independent Ireland, It’s in our Proclamation.
If it were to happen and great wrong would be undone.
As Ireland will be subject to the EU I don't really care, but there will be more emnity with the UK than before, because of Mordor's (Brussels) demands.
What do you mean they partitioned "unfairly", they partitioned it in a way that would keep the MAJORITY of the North happy and safe. I have no doubt in my mind that if the north was FORCED to join the Free State back then absolute hell would have broke loose and an even bloodier civil war would have happened, and the Unionists would have very likely have won it too considering the weapons and military experience they had gained during WW1
@@ApeX-pj4mq Gerrymandered borders to create a biased majority is unfair. One culture having two votes while the other has none is unfair. One group getting the jobs for the boys, based on their politics & religion while the other group were discriminated because of their beliefs is unfair. If NI had been created equal, for all her people, that would have been fair but from the start, she was created as a sectarian state, to promote sectarian values.
Now NI is changing & ironically, it's up to the former oppressors as to how they want to be treated - do they want the oppression turned on them or do they want to be treated equally. Their choice & how they act now will define how they are treated when the time comes.
Ireland should be one country but not if it means the fighting starts again. Good luck ireland
Northern Ireland forever in UK 🇬🇧
So by that logic, democracy should be suppressed by any threats of violence by the minority. Let the majority be unhappy in case the minority break the law.
Not when it's 50/50 and you also have to ask does the Republic want Northen Ireland now. Lots of variables to account for.
@@bradavon It’s not 50/50.
@@Anteater23 ..not really.. nothing lasts forever..not the UK,not the planet,not even you tube ads..might as well accept it..
Absolutely love the fact you're selling your office stuff lol who needs a merch sale when you can buy a couch
In all honesty, I'd like to see a union between Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall.
Yes please... to be just England again sounds great
👍 👍 👍
@@lucastaylor2321 What do you mean "again"?
@@Capybarrrraaaa England 🏴 ... without all the rest. I don’t care UK or GB
England has the right to be an independent country as well.
@@lucastaylor2321 Sounds like we can both get what we want lol.
@@Capybarrrraaaa
Yes 👍 I have nothing against Wales or Scotland.. but I think breaking up this broken union will do all nations good.
But btw Cornish independence is not serious idea... it’s barely a fringe opinion down there.
My grandparents were from Ireland but left once the British took over
1169?
@@walshmabob1834 1930 i think. I know my mom was born in The 1960s
As an Irishman living in the Republic, I’m proud of our N. Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh neighbours.
Welsh, Scottish maybe but those German dialect speaking anglo-saxons can go back to the mainland and take their german queen and her family with her.
@Dean Askew love each other really? Hahahaha you’re having a laugh 😂 they can go back where they belong!
@Dean Askew "bucking eejit".
@@malachycarson5846 "German Queen" How do you work that one out? Germany didn't unify and become a country and sovereign state until 1871. Where does the German you refer to enter the lineage of the monarchy after 1871? As for taking Her Majesty anywhere, she and her family are the direct protestant descendants of King James VI of Scotland after the English monarchy died out with Queen Elizabeth I. So why not relocate them back home in Scotland?
But, let not the facts get in the way of your xenophobia!
I can't see the Irish Republic being too keen to foot the bill for this who reunification thing. The flag waving bit is easy, who can't do blind nationalism? But the massive wealth transfers from the Republic to the North will make up a much larger slice of the ROI GDP than in the UK, this translates to a big bump in taxes and a big cut in services. Once these and other boring issues start to be discussed the ROI is likely to be choosing thanks but no thanks.
A very fair appraisal of things going on, maybe a bit of a deep dive into what's happening with the DUP would be interesting for those from outside of the island of Ireland.
Or the Sinn Fein IRA connection
@@shooterblaze1 SINN FEIN /IRA v. DUP/ UVF or maybe DUP / UDA is more accurate given very recent events.
@@cristinacrawley3344 aye
Maths for Alison spotted the union stooge
Frankly, doc if all these countries want leave, N Ireland, Scotland, Wales (although I haven't heard any complaints from the Welsh). How I see it, it will just make the England richer.
A reunified Ireland would do brilliantly for both Ireland and the rest of the UK. Scottish independence wouldn't be so good as most of Scotland's trade comes from the rest of the UK, mostly England and Wales. Them declaring independence could mean England and Wales put sanctions on Scotland which would make everybody poor and it would suck. Welsh independence is very, very unlikely and Cornish independence, absolute joke
Worth noting that when Sinn Fein says it's not the right time for a United Ireland, what they mean is "We are not in majority in government in Dublin". It's nothing to do with public sentiment.
Actually, the vote has to have a major majority which will take another 10/15 years, otherwise will end up with 51%+ & we all now how that turns out. You only have to look at the British disaster for how not to hold a referendum.
Strikes me that the Tories are engineering the exit of Northern Ireland. In their eyes, the DUP and NI are not needed anymore and can be cast off. They have accelerated this process with Brexit, as Brexit has always been about what England wants, and not the UK.
In English people's defense, they were lied to, by the Tories, and too many are now wondering what the hell just happened.
Reunification of Ireland will great for all Irish, and overdue.
Being United it's soo mainstream nowadays, let's be all independent
Not what the EU wants however? Or Spain.
Yes Boris Johnson stated there would be no checks and no border in the Irish Sea but HE WENT BACK ON HIS WORD.
Really?....who would have thought that..his two ex’s wives,Countless ex girlfriends,May,Cameron and Cummings...nah,not Boris.
The silver lining to the cloud of Brexit! I may yet live to see my ancestral homeland free from English occupation
I understand your view and know the historical injustice of English rule.. But the past can't be changed.. Howabt all those Prussians expelled after WW2? Some would have been Nazis but not all... But we know that German lost territory from WW2 won't be given back... I think a UI should come abt peacefully by consent & clearly the Catholic (mainly Irish Nationalists) are or soon will be the majority of the six counties... A period of a UK /ROI condominium would help to lessen tension and help to ensure a peaceful UI..We don't want some "die hard" "bitterenders" Unionists trying to imitate ETA..
More polish in Ireland then there is English I think 😳
@@paulmoor3799 so what is your point?
@@paulmoor3799 you probably right because in the area were I live in Enniskillen I dont think there's more than 1person that I know to be from England lol
@@paulmoor3799 I lived in a Polish neighbourhood in Northern Ireland. Good hard working people, they taught me some of their language. Great people
"Years of disagreement and dispute"
[come out ye black and tans intensifies]
Fuck up….hink your a comedian or something
bring back the black and tans
only ones who dealt with terrorists properly
@@shooterblaze1
IRA aren’t terrorists unlike the Black and Tans.
@@cjpc1235 the black and tans need brought back to rid the country of its tumour
happily have another bloody sunday or the like
In order for Scottish independence to occur, it needs to happen before the reunification of Ireland, I once was told that by a friend who believed that many unionists might move to Scotland if Ireland were to reunify, certainly look into yourselves but it would certainly shift the vote in Scotland towards staying in the U.K.
Good point.
I agree, but if Scotland gets independence? North of Ireland will follow
Why would they move to Scotland and not England?
@@lynxo5695 Many are descended from Scots, and a lot of unionists go to university in Scotland. There’s a long history of movement between Scotland and Ireland (Scotland is named after an ancient Irish tribe, the Scotti, while the Plantations saw movement the other way). Arlene Foster, the Northern Ireland First Minister said she would leave Ireland if it reunified.
Philip O' ceallaigh I suppose any inyref yes vote is likely to be very tight so as little as 5% of the unionist population in NI which would be 40 to 50 000 going to scotland would be enough to turn the tide towards no.
I am reminded of the words of Sister Michael in Derry Girls with regard to King George's speech. "Sentiments, mere sentiments." Those words seem particularly appropriate.
“Northern Ireland is not primarily on the island of Great Britain.” Northern island is not at all on the island of Great Britain… what a weird way to phrase that.
I wish N Ireland well. The people there have deserved a better partner than Britain over the last 100 years.
The basket case that is Ireland wouldn't have faired better.
I’m from Northern Ireland, and I do NOT want to leave the U.K.
God Save The Queen! 🇬🇧
@@jamesthejoker7415 i’m from the north of ireland and me and my people want united with the rest of our country and please know your queen wouldn’t piss on you if you were set on fire lmao tiocfaidh ár lá
@@darnellbiggumsthe9th658 The government of the Republic aren’t exactly enthusiastic about annexing the 6 counties as well, surely this is no secret to you?
Anglicansn north irelanders are too focused hating catholicism
I think it's time for Engxit: Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales form a Union that will inherit the title of UK and rejoin the EU while England will split off and form it's own isolated Nation.
So basically just fuck the English for no apparent reason? Yeah mate but sorry, I’ll pass.
@@maytheoddsbeinyourfavour Don't have to do anything, just wait.
@@maytheoddsbeinyourfavour no apparent reason?? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
What sort of fantasy world do you live in please fella
Last time I checked Wales voted to leave the EU
finally, it’s been 100 years, waiting for the update
Finally! (maybe) When Eire went it's own way the huge if understandable mistake the UK made was to allow a free vote on the subject on a county by county basis instead of the whole island of Ireland voting 'in' or 'out' as a single entity. Maybe the 'troubles' wouldn't have happened, or at the least they would have been Eire's problem instead of the UK's.
Regrettably having allowed NI to vote to stay part of the UK there is a duty to support that. But if there was a subsequent vote to leave...
To put it another way NI is that awkward relative you wish you didn't have who refuses to bugger off. Because they are family you feel duty bound to be a good relative in turn... but if they did go away no tears would be shed.
Of course Scotland is that relative who never passes up an opportunity to tell you how much they don't like you while continually dipping their hand in to your wallet.
Yeah it would have been a good idea but unionists had been screaming bloody murder since 1911
The uk govt has said when a majority in Northern Ireland wants out of the Union they can.
@@lynnewilson7390 They also said they'd bring in an Irish language act as promised under the St. Andrews Agreement in 2006, their word is worth nothing.
Scotland needs to declare independence and leave the U.K. So does Northern Ireland. And Wales.
We waited 100 years for this
Elaborate
You mean 900 years?
@@rodaki9408 taigs out
@@shooterblaze1 Whats a taig?
@@shooterblaze1 Huns out.
I really hope David Cameron, and Boris Johnson stays clearly responsible for this mess in history books. As a pro-european I was sorry to see Brtitain leave but I start thinking it was a good idea
It definitely was a good idea to leave, look at the ROI and the whole EU dictatorship of the vaccine and it’s shambles
@@shooterblaze1 You should travel a bit more and update your concept of dictatorship. Then, go back home please
@@shooterblaze1 umm we are doing fine and are reaping the benifets of being in the EU also thanks for our new seats in the EU parliament 😘
Yes, I am a pro-EU and really glad that UK leave. The only thing UK contribute to the EU is money (which although is still very big thing, it does not make UK the ultimate member; and I believe countries like France or Germany are willing spend a bit more, while countries like Poland or Estonia are willing to receive a bit less so that the union can survive), however the UK asked for so many exemptions (currency, visa, work permit, etc.) to the point that the EU is not a true union. With the UK leaving now, there will be less exemptions (since big country like Germany or France or Poland does not interested in exemptions, while small country does not have the weighted voice like UK once have to ask for so many).
Maths for Alison with in the EU there is a sense of calm
I have to say I love how you say "the Island or Ireland"
Yeah all nice, but nothing compared to the original catchphrase of this channel: "OOOOOORRDEEEERRRR"
It's beautiful
I'm trying to think what the DUP hope to achieve to by ditching Foster. It's obvious to everybody else that her mistake was supporting Brexit. Are they going to reverse their view and, for instance, support alignment of the UK economy with the EU? Sounds unlikely, but if not that, do they have any credible alternative.
Hi TLDR - Regarding future plots, it might be useful to clearly show the labels and the question, if done in regard to polling, as this prevents bad interpretations of the data you are showing. For example, those curves can either be interpreted as “support to union/republic” or “support for unionist/republican parties” which are completely different things. Thanks and keep up to great work!
They are propagandist, child-brained idiots!
I think for Scottish independence and Irish unity the question is when it will happen, not if it will happen. It could be 10 years from now or it could be 100 years from now but I think it's inevitable.
I'm convinced that irish unity would be inevitable because of the divided statu of the island, but Scotland could remain in the uk if the right choices are made and the Scottish no longuer have a need for independence
@@Colk13
Too late... Brexit has guaranteed that Scotland will become independent.
@@guleiro Who pays and makes up the financial shortfall if Scotland goes independent. A border with England, another mess. Scots debt is huge currently. Cant rely on oil revenue as that’s going to be a thing of the past. Sturgeons just another Farage with a skirt on, a political dreamer.
@@ononewheellad
If tinny Malta is a happy and respected EU member so will be Scotland.
And please stop the nonsense economic arguments about Scotland leaving the British union when you people have voted to leave the EU under the same exact arguments.
@@guleiro I voted to leave no union, that’s why this is another mess that could happen. Economic nonsense you say, a lot of your intelligence has been used up with that answer, which is just typical.
Why does the UK want to keep Northern Island , it has been nothing but trouble for as long as I can remember ?
The uk has to protect the Scottish descendans of the traitors they rewarded with land in northern Ireland
Who caused it??
Who caused it
As people unlink their politics from their faith, as the economics of Ireland -- north and south -- merge, and granted that 55% of NI voters expressed the preference to remain in the EU a few years back when Brexit was being decided, a reunited Ireland seems to be in the cards.
I am generally cautious about the wisdom of breaking up existing political entities, but the UK seems destined for break up as monarchies in general lose their functionality, not to mention their mystique.
The UK doesn't care about NI as it's being proven day in and day out now. Ireland already has a functioning econony so NI should just join it and the EU. No disadvantages as far as I can see.
Well I mean Ireland is a pretty poor nation compared with the uk
No disadvantages, are you blind, we all saw what the unionists have already done recently, an united ireland would merely be dropkicking Northern Ireland back into the old days
Many Northern Irish would literally kill you if you said this to them. Many more would beat you up.
@@kye4216 Per capita we’re better off? Minimum wage, standard of living etc, we’re better ranked than the UK?
@@kye4216 sweet fucking god what are you taking about?
As an Englishman, I would prefer NI leave the UK
Start a partition 100k and they have to discuss it in parliament
Yeah we know English people don't give a shit about NI and would rather wash their hands of the problem, but unfortunately you got yourselves into this mess.
As a Scotsman, I can’t wait until we leave the UK also.
May your wish be granted
@@glensargent647 they already have partition. I think you’re looking for a ‘petition’.
Does republic of Ireland want the north anymore ? In UK politics now the Northern ireland part is described as endless pit to waste money . Maybe they declare an independent Northern Ireland Republic ?
The North can't survive on its own apart form that the Republic thing you mentioned simply put anyone who is not pro United Ireland in the Republic is a fucking Tratior
just give Northern Ireland to Ireland already
I’m sure this is just my American ears, but when you say “Island of Ireland”, I just hear “Island of Island”
Not just you. Irish here are he is stressing the r in Irish but not in Ireland so when those words are said together it sounds like island twice.
That's the English accent for you 😁 they don't pronounce half of their r's
The Island of Bogland.
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda shush
@@SK-tc2sf In English if you can manage it, Bogtrotter.
I like how when Jack says "the island of Ireland" it just sounds like "the island of island"
That’s just how many (southern?) English people pronounce Ireland.
Tomrogue13 americans get ribbed for their 3 syllable pronounciation of ireland,yet they atleast pronounce the r .Its funny how the english don't get slagged as much for it.
It’s standard English, according to the transcriptions of both words.
Eyeland.
@@thelightsilent getting your information from the daily mail? Huh that's going well. I wish ye would turned on a light upstairs and were silent. The reason the EU are behind on vaccination is the the UK company was meant to fulfill the contract didn't and are now the EU is going to court. I would love to know how many people were effect this. And the fishing industry is up shit creek and London financial district lost billions with companies leaving London. But you know best.
The breakup of the "United" Kingdom is inevitable.
Scotland and Northern Ireland will leave soon.
An independent Scotland and Northern Ireland as part of a United Ireland will be welcomed back in the EU.
In many ways Thatcher laid the ground work. She treated the Scots like second rate citizens and used them for the pilot of many policies that were unpopular, especially the Poll Tax. In Northern Ireland, her handling of the Hunger Strike led to Sinn Fien to become the largest party in both Irelands. She in trying to save the UK laid the seeds for its breakup.
Glad you are speaking on behalf of the EU there.
As someone who was born in Northern Ireland, lived in the Republic and in Scotland for years as well, I can very much agree that a potential outcome of Brexit is an independent Scotland and some sort of United Ireland operating as partner countries within the EU framework - the demographics, physical landscape and challenges are the same - plus the similarities and links as Celtic nations. It will be challenging and difficult of course, but on a pragmatic level I can see it working.
Scotland is far more economically interconnected with the rest of GB than the UK was with the rest of the EU before it left. It won’t be easy at all. In my view Scotland will be granted further concessions or some kind of federalization it try to silence the demands for a second indyref. This of course won’t work in the long term, because it never has for Scotland, but it will stave off demands for independence for long enough for Britain to slowly work its way back into the Single Market, Switzerland-style.
Margret Thatcher lit the spark
A United Ireland under British rule: ok
A United Ireland under Irish rule: ok
A United Ireland under E.U.S.S.R: time to dust off that balaclava again lads, it's time again!
What is the EUSSR?
@@chickeninyeezes3759 How? When?