Tyneside, Brutalism & The Get Carter Car Park
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Meades lives in a brutalist building, so there was no need to strike at his authenticity there. He is also quite a bit above your usual BBC drone, intellectually. Excellent video otherwise.
@A hc
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Whatever you say about him, he covers more ground in five minutes than the average documentry does in an hour
Croydon is the prime example of brutalism in the south and it used to be absolutely beautiful however it's all gone now. 3d computer models of all the demolish buildings in the centre. Link below wellesleyroad.github.io/index.html
Suicide traps of concrete madness and alienated despair and all premeditated by the elites and establishment
The people who design those concrete tower blocks hate you.
Thomas Daniel Smith was the main culprit his father was a commie coal miner from Durham the corruption & destruction that goes on today in Newcastle council has increased in magnitudes compared to his day we have had another Marxist from Durham since the Blair years in the form of Nick Forbes who has never been voted in but selected by the left wing intelligentsia.
It's a Death trap a suicide construction of culture alienated despair
Premeditated by the evil elites and establishment and watch Meads ESTATE on RUclips and yes they do not care and never did in their obsession with concrete madness and despair
I can’t believe that stuff is in the British Isles.
Ireland has the same problem. Every primary and secondary school looks identical, even with the same paint between all the windows. Student apartments being built everywhere. The ideal architecture is classical European. Even hundreds of years ago, they understood what was beautiful and what was simply ugly in appearance. They could have built blocks and high rises, very easily actually. But they understood that beauty in architecture that revolved around the community and the town or city was more important than the efficiency to accommodate massive amounts of people. It's more annoying to me that these people in the fifties and sixties couldn't call it out for what it was, and just went along with it. But that's exactly what we're doing, I guess.
Takyon at least Ireland’s countryside isn’t ruined
This is where I think Paris as a city has managed to keep themselves from the ugliness
But unfortunately they have had to destroy the charm because of the new french (talking about the cobblestone streets which are being redone because people dig up the stones and throw them during riots) are ruining everything for the people and those who visit... amongst other problems
I prefer the brutalism to blandness, because as Morgoth notices: the repression is more honestly in your face ( 'that's the Ministry of Truth up there' ..) and not all around you ( ' You might be causing alarm, harrassment or offence with your wrong thinking and general attitude').
@@anon2034 😅
Go and live one then.
@@AntonyRG1 it has everything to do with liberalism, these buildings are designed to be as inoffensive to all demographics as possible. They have no taste or opinion to be had.
Meads analysis of our dysfunctional alienated society's are brilliant to watch on RUclips
I honestly prefer the glassy, ethereal look. There is an honesty in transparency as well. And as well I think the glass is less ugly, as it reflects a heavenly, water-like reflective quality.
Both of these designs, however, should be subordinated to the culture's original and traditional architecture.
“You’re a big man, but you’re out of shape. With me it’s a full time job “ great film
Fillim* 😂
Your a big man but your out of shape so fuck off to Coronation street😤
I doubt I will ever again hear someone say "giant glass slug" with such absolute contempt.
It looks like complete craziness.
I thought it does look like a glass slug just before he said it
This gimmick is everywhere now. We had the turd in the plaza. Now every town wants you to put your foot in their "glass dropping".
Philistines. It's clearly a disembodied glass rectum.
As awful as brutalist architecture is, at least it’s honest and invokes some form of thought when looking at it. I’ll happily take that over the contemporary shite we’re subjected to now. Really enjoyed this one, would like to see more content on brutalism and architecture in general.
Hear, hear.
Fine if you didn't have to live in it and experience it because of some progressive degenerate from the 60s who thought it's good for you and not for me......
These places needed dynamiting as soon as they were constructed.
An abomination on our landscape and people.
How you can even give up a credible ounce of argument for these structures existence is beyond me.
bungle
Very well said
Celtic Advocate I’d much rather live in a modern building with proper insulation. Brutalism is degrading and miserable.
@@hooper7735 I agree, it's a shame they were ever erected in the first place and I despise the political ideology behind them. Their construction was facilitate by the destruction of towns and cities across the country, often much more ornate and pleasant Victorian architecture. I feel bad that anyone has had to live in them and I wish they'd never been constructed, but now that they're there I just enjoy looking at them sometimes. I'd also much rather my "enemy" be exposed and easily identifiable, rather than a wolf in sheep's clothing like we get with modern architecture.
Whenever I see pictures of Brutalist architecture, a line from the Marillion song "Heart of Lothian" comes to mind.
"It's six o'clock in the tower blocks
The stalagmites of culture shock."
I'm American, but that line seems to encapsulate, fairly succinctly, the general feelings of the cold war generation in the UK, towards this architectural style.
The new buildings look similar , instead of concrete they are glass cubes
I'm not necessarily against concrete, but I think glass is better. Multi material architecture is much more attractive
In the first look at the giant glass slug , my eyes were drawn to the chimney pots in the foreground.They were probably constructed in the early Victorian era and what struck me was the ornamentation, a delightful flourish that no one would probably ever see .....but it was there !!
PERFECT WAGNERITE
Wonderful observation. This sort of approach to architecture is what we’ve lost.
Allen, MacKenzie
You can also see this same instinct in the construction of haute couture garments. Seamstresses will finish the inside of the garment just as beautifully and skillfully as the outside, even though no one will see it. This is a markedly different approach to aesthetics than other cultures who seem such measures as pointless or undeserving of the extra time and attention being devoted.
The Chimney is when the Bricky can show off his skill if they have any that is why today they are just Square or precast
Brutalist architecture is completely soul destroying. In Berlin the effect it has on the psyche is most prominent because of the literal night and day juxtaposition between the architecture in the east and west. As you step into the eastern part of the city you can feel any sense of hope and joy leech out of you and doom set in its place. It’s quite something.
Really great topic Morgoth, it’s a real blessing to have someone in our camp who endeavours to shed light on such visceral subjects & how we live our everyday lives.
Rose Nuxe
They are horrible aren't they.
Depression given a physical form.
In Scruton's 'Beauty' documentary, there's a bit where he mentions this south american architect (I think) who wrote quite a bit of theory around this style of architecture, and was explicit about his intention to mold the working class masses via his architecture- it's purpose really was to keep them at the level of 'masses'.
I must ask, however, if your brand of the 'right' oughtn't admire the spirit here expressed. Both the domination over nature, remolding of nature, as well as the domination over/molding of the common man. The sacrifice needed, the price paid, both in man and nature, in order for the elite to produce beauty, to reach transcendence. Is this not your belief?
Oscar Niemayer, see my above comment.
@Ares Vicious he isn't a 'communist' if he believed that was what he was doing... a communist cannot work at retarding the consciousness of the proletariat.. if that was his project, he was a reactionary elitist.
If there's one person who was the most influential with this style of urban planning architecture the path seems to always lead back to Corbusier.
He actually saw his architectural plans as communities to place the poor people and break their social ties and communities so their life was dedicated to work, while the technocratic elites lived in much nicer environments.
It was very deliberate.
I used to laugh at the ‘controversy’ around knocking down the ‘Get Carter’ car park. I bloody eyesore blighting the town, and the only reason put forward for keeping it was it was once in a bloody Michael Caine film! Pathetic!
And what is there now is better? 🤮
Symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.
No wonder most of us grew up depressed and feeling unwanted when we were surrounded by betong brutalism everywhere
A life of suicide despair in our Dystopian society
Is "betong" a word in English as well? I know it as the Norwegian word for concrete.
@@Vingul Not sure. Betong brutalism was coined by some Swedish architect, afaik. But you're right about it being a or the Norwegian word for concrete - which is why I used it :)
Lateral Twitler skjønner ;) makes sense that it is of swedish coinage then.
I like gothic architecture, we need to get back to that.
Not gonna happen. Non-whites won't want to be ensconced in gothicism. I don't really blame them, it ain't their thing.
@@dammbleth2 This is why you need to deport them all.
@@crypter27 yes please
@@dammbleth2 exactly
@Commander Rockwell XII amen
"Communal in spirit" - ffs this sort of architecture DESTROYED community, it's completely alienating.
gurugeorge how can it be “communal in spirit” when it’s also “domineering over nature”? These people forget that humans are mammals
Communal in the sense that it's communist, maybe.
Nice video. The car park features In Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads, Bob is showing Terry the new brutalist architecture that replaced the old Tyneside of their boyhood . Of course it’s all been mostly pulled down and replaced again. The corrupt Labour politician (is there any other type) T Dan Smith was the driving force for brutalism in Newcastle.
I despise both styles. They're ugly, soulless, and rootless. I'd like to bring back 19th century Historicist architecture like Neo-Gothic, Neo-Renaissance, Neo-Baroque, Grunderzeit, Beaux-Arts style, and so forth.
@Will DeMarco
Only they are good. But the buildings are still horrid and evil.
Hatred of the True,Good and Beautiful. Is EVIL.
This has now got me thinking about Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads. Especially the episode when Bob drives Terry around the estates they once grew up in and how everything had changed and how many of their memories had disappeared. All within a short period of time from when Terry left to join the army to his eventual return.
Cheers
Brilliant series! I have all of those (those which still exist, anyway on DVD). The 1976 film is one of my favourite films of all time, so funny and absolutely packed with atmospheric 1970s nostalgia, the old buildings, the Vauxhall Chevette and Sprite Alpine caravan which Bob and Thelma have, the Scania Metropolitan double decker bus which Bob got on and had his flowers trapped in the doors...it would be interesting to hear a review from Morgoth on this and other TV classics, especially local ones like Auf Wiedersehen, Pet 👍
Wow, those brutalist projects look like bombed out warzones.
Bombed the humanity right out of them. You are a cog in the machine.
Reminded me of Bosnia after the war, I was there a few years after the wars and saw its traces.
Looks so soviet, I had no idea the UK had that crap.
the architectural style is a Poundland version of Blade runner.
"A pint of lager ... in a straight glass"
The looks he gets when he says that line....
We need a new Albert Speer.
Thanks for the video. It gives us across the pond a view that matches what they did with the inner city projects here.
Morgoth you’ve absolutely nailed it 👌I have the unfortunate task of having to work in Sheffield which is horribly left and has student blocks growing everywhere like weeds 😁👍
When you look at the mayor it's not encouraging.
benbow7 Exactly!! Sheffield’s like a version of Bladerunner and getting progressively worse 😩
Dave Butterworth Park Hill...a fantastic re-development.
The Tricorn Centre in my hometown of Portsmouth was a prime example of Brutalist architecture. Torn down in 2004, it was a complete eyesore!!
How fitting - I just finished rewatching "Our Friends in the North". Great video.
Very interesting. I remember seeing a brief interview with someone who liked the Portsmouth Tricorn Centre. He used to photograph it a lot, but even he said that if you were there alone you didn't feel safe.
The weirdest thing personally was when libraries went brutalist, even the concrete walkways to libraries became monstrosities.
It did once occur to me . " How come in council high rises no-one wanted to live on the top floor, yet having 'the penthouse' in a private skyscraper was the epitome of chic" ........The private scheme lifts worked . The same people are now proposing mandatory vaccination against....... well what? they never stop.
Reminds me of a song Joni Mitchell wrote, big yellow taxi.
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
As a Gateshead dweller, the new glass bulidings remind me of Yevgeny Zamyatin's book 'We',where the population all lived in glass apartments.
I'm a child of the 80s from Durham. I remember my visits to the town and gateshead ,and it was like visiting another culture or country, it all looked new and modern from my perspective, but not something or somewhere I wanted to live .I was raised in a cathedral city ,and couldn't comprehend that such places existed 10 mile north of my home .ive never had strong view of architecture as defining a town , village or community ,as I lived in a typical traditional English village with a wealth of history, but I see it now how your surroundings can influence your thinking,,,, uninspiring, generic gray buildings with unreasonable parking and faulty lifts .breaks yours spirit before you get to work
Its exactly the same in Coventry, student apartment blocks replacing the hideous brutalism thrown up after the war.
Meades does instead live in a Brutalist structure - Unite D'habition in Marseilles. Its a brutal but amazingly forward looking building I think it's a good example of brutalism.
I used to live near the Azure Blue. The awfulness of the indoor market by the multistorey needed to be experienced. There was also the club-restaurant Talk of the Town ? nearby ..shite. T Dan Smith and Poulson have a lot to answer for. The best thing about the Tesco carpark was the view of Newcastle... There used to be a model of how they wanted to put motorways over the Haymarket in Newcastle, I think it was in the Civic Centre in Newcastle..sheer horror.. they considered it! The quayside needed redeveloping but the grubby old buildings down there and the small lanes had some grunge charm.
We lived on an estate in one of those blocks we moved in when the block was brand new.
People even In the 70’s were still desperate to get out of slums.
My brother was hyperactive and was always launching things out the windows, the council moved us again in the end because of him.
I think the final straw was when he lobbed a bottle of Windolene outa the window and hit a bald bloke straight on the head.
The terrace houses in Cambridge we once slum houses for the working class but now they are worth a fortune, due to them being quite big inside. The powers that be could have kept those building to this day but they know what they are doing and know how to oppress the people, just as the style of the architecture suggests.
You shall have a fishy on a little dishy
You shall have a fishy when the boat comes in
You shall have a herring on a little dishy
You shall have a herring when the boat comes in
Greetings from me here in the Byker Wall Morgoth
Designed to take the beauty out of existence, accept your lot, do not aspire to sophistication and any commune with nature.
I miss the brutalist architecture.
I also miss building/bomb sites and the corregated steel sheets surrounding them.
I loved the sound of the loose corregated steel sheets blowing in high winds.
There's nuthin quite like pulling back the corner of those steel sheets and using a building site for a playground 😁
Jonathan Meades does appear to actually live in a piece of brutalist architecture in Marseille. However the one he lives in has a rooftop gallery, children’s art school and shops, including an architectural book shop. I suppose he thought the Gateshead blocks had all those too.
you get a thumbs up for music choice alone! communitarianism, communism and fascism's big brother, is VERY fond of soviet style architecture, it's MEANT to grind you down and make you hate yourself, they go against everything good buildings are meant to be
Spot-on analysis of the two buildings in relation to politics. Thanks.
Dunston Rocket was the Chad of brutalist eye sores in Gateshead, was glad to see that Soviet Barad-dûr come down
Great video. In Rotherham, which has the same sort of relationship to Sheffield that Gateshead has to Newcastle, the brutalist central library and arts centre has been knocked down and replaced with a glass fronted tesco extra. Quite symbolic really.
I've seen quite abit of this firsthand as a student. My favourite building is the redbrick neo-gothic arts building. Its simply beautiful. The rest of the uni's buildings... my family and me call the 1960s concrete monstosities.
The (brand new) studdent accomadation I was in was deemed unsafe after Grenfell, and the cladding had to be replaced. I spent most of the year in a building site. Hurray modern architecture.
I once asked an architect which building she liked the most: Prague's (old) national theater or it's new national theater? The two theaters are located near each other on opposite sides of a square. The old national theater is made of stone with a copper roof, statues, wall paintings and roman columns. The new national theater is just one gigantic cube of glass. Guess which one she picked?
Sometimes education makes you more ignorant.
When I was born I was brought home to a tower block flat in a concrete estate between town and country. Yes they were uninspiring places to dwell maybe that's why I appreciate the country side and nature. Nice1 Morgoth. 👍
Modern architecture is all marked by twin obsessions, technicality and novelty. Regardless of the style, governments and corporations, architects' patrons, want to associate themselves with scientific advancement because we live in a rational age divorced from the outdated ways of the past. Hence, once Brutalism became established it had to be toppled in favour of something newer and more hi-tech, blobitecture.
There's been a parting of the ways - back in the day you'd use the exact same architectural prescription whether you were doing an awe inspiring civic megaproject or building lo-cost housing for the drones... tons of slabby concrete all round. Now the high profile projects get glass and stainless steel and the plebs get to live in bland multi coloured boxes that look like they were made of formica so they could be wiped off and sanitised.
J G Ballards, 'High Rise' is a great read regarding the same questions you're putting forward Morgoth.
My people .. truthful genuine folk ❤
My city .. blighted by ugly architecture, especially the Civic Centre.
It pock marks the land.
Thankfully we have trad architecture in abundance.
Thanks Morgoth for sharing your thoughts on this.
Not only hideous, but quite often appallingly built as well. I could never walk past a concrete multistory car park without seeing massive cracks all over it.
There is one in brixton just like the biker wall. I walk past it all the time and wonder what horrors lay beneath
Whye aye Morgon, good to hear from you.
Back to this excellent video essay again and just recommended it to several others. Great stuff.
Cherry on top is the guard tower on the car park. Form meets function.
They kept tv black & white for as long as possible id bet .
The Slug / Turd also warps the perspective when you look at it.
"You're one microscopic cog in his catastrophic plan, designed and directed by his red right hand"
No matter how they wrap it up in nice bows and fancy sales pitches, all those Tower block and High rise complexes will always remind me of Calhoun's Mouse Utopia experiment.
Cram everybody into as little a space as possible, given just enough in their dole checks so as to clean and feed themselves but never enough to escape. Stuck with the imposing dullness of grey concrete that crush's the human spirit and soul, then in many cases eventually leads to drug and drink problems to alleviate the boredom.
Is it any wonder criminality flourishes in these 'Concrete Jungles'?
A blight on humanity. Tear them down. Every last one.
I respect morgoth's opinion, but I honestly prefer the glassy, ethereal look. There is an honesty in transparency as well. And as well I think the glass is less ugly, as it reflects a heavenly, water-like reflective quality.
Both of these designs, however, should be subordinated to the culture's original and traditional architecture.
Same, but that is probably only because it looks more bright, clean, and there's more greenery around than in brutalist architecture. That's a pretty low bar though, of course trad architecture is much better than both.
The Jonathan Meades documentary he mentions is excellent. Well worth a watch.
He is good, and I was certainly swayed by his arguments about the abstract beauty of the architecture. But yes, try living in and amongst those buildings.
@@deliusmyth5063 I wasn't even considering his arguments. I was just thinking of it in terms of its entertainment value.
Pwecko He's certainly entertaining.
Huge parts of Doncaster were/are the same. For the exact same reasons. Cheers Morgoth.
Holy shit these pictures make mordor look like paradise.
The original Get Carter is about my favourite film ever. It is really just a revenge Western set in a slightly different situation, but still.
Excellent take on the two styles of Architecture under labour.... I always found the Brutalist buildings hideous growing up, and no matter where they were, north or south, large corners of them always always stank of piss. I watched the Gherkin being built as my train rolled up the track towards it every morning.... Then later the Shard.
As amused as I was at the shape of the 'erotic gherkin', I've never liked it. The skyline of the city of London is now littered with the ugly great glass behemoths. Each architect seemly trying to out do the last with the bizarre shape they come up with. Ugly doesn't seem like the right word, unpleasant maybe.
They're nicknamed Commie blocks for a reason...
*_”You’re a big man but you’re in bad shape_*
*_With me it’s a full time job_*
*_Now behave yourself!”_*
The Finn on Tyneside - Sirka Luisa Kontinnen still lives on Tyneside?
Her book of photos of Byker was published by Bloodaxe Books in 1983.
She captured the old and the new during the transition of the 1960s/70s
T Dan Smith dominated Newcastle in a corrupt way reminiscent of Tammany Hall in New York City
Byker was destroyed; I had relatives living there at the time.
Tyneside voted Leave, but Newcastle voted Remain.
The diverse and rich parts voted remain... look at the poll map of the city
@@missnorthumbria3658 Every.Single.Time.
I want Art Deco to make a return!
I remember the sweeping away of the old housing was a big theme in the Likely Lads....
the glass slug is quite reminiscent of a place down the road from me called Milton Keynes, probably fair to guess that its the same sort of clientele inside there.
Wow, I didn't recognise Byker Wall at first. I didn't realise how "brutalist" it was/is. I guess all the cladding and renovations they've done to it disguise it.
Thank you for this video, I really enjoyed it. I'm currently working on a photography project based around North East brutalism, sadly there's not a lot left and what remains has been renovated and dolled up. Also just wondering where the image at 13:59 was taken?
I absolutely love those Johnathan Meads docs.
'The devil will find work for idle hands to do'
thanks for reminding me of Meades..loved his shows
Jonathon meades described north wales coast being lined with plastic caravans as if to halt any invasion of good taste, Makes me smile every time I drive by
Jonathan Meades lives in Le Corbusier's Cité Radieuse in Marseille, a very iconic brutalist building.
I think with time brutalist buildings become more historically significant and interesting.. and maybe with even more time those terrible student dorms will too, maybe
From beautiful European architecture to gray Commie boxes...
2:19 what a gawddamned eyesore!
I'd never thought of this sort of architecture as an ode to collectivism.
It's the same here in the West Mids. There's loads of these monstrosities dotted all over the place.
Look, Brutus, you’re a big streamer but you’re out of shape, with Morg it’s a full time job... so behave yourself.
Michael James Lol... great minds
I prefer architecture with twiddly bits. Give me some baroque any day. Even art-deco is far better than the swill we have to swallow today.
Video on the politics of Starship Troopers?
Off topic; I remember you talking about the "YES" meme. A good point to note is that its 2d appearance refers to their being confined to the internet.
If only they’d have put as much effort into the Tyneside shipyards
Just outstanding breakdowns one after the other Morgoth, thanks again for compelling us to look at things in a more effective and meaningful way. I'm no philosopher but your metaphorical flair is so impressive.
MORGOTH, heir to ŽIŽEK!
Those student blocks are appearing everywhere lately, most of them look like a trendy sports centre or something, Black & grey with a red or orange stripe, i notice too when i get up to Leeds, Bradford, Manchester & many other cities, most of them seem to be empty.
It's a real money maker for all parties involved. Designing and planning them, building them, and then filling them with students. It's like the focus of academia these days is to make the economy grow.
Cages in the sky, a wonderful environment to spend lockdown in.
Lol, he lives in the South of France, quite far 'down south'. I've watched his stuff for a while, it is thought provoking if nothing else.
I miss the Tricorn.
Me too! It suited Pompey somehow. I can't stand the new student developments in the town centre.
Brutalism isn't so much a style, but an attitude. It crosses generations and continents. "A house is a machine for living in".
There was the brutalism of housing estates which emphasised unbreakable, unfriendly surfaces, but there are other brutalist buildings like the South Bank QEH, which is very usable, big open spaces, lots of places to look out over the Thames. Brutalism is just concrete with all its shutter form printing left on view, what mattered was the intent of the architect when he used it
Im from Birkenhead, n it's a similar situation to the north east here in regards to a bigger city.
We're on the opposite side of the river Mersey from Liverpool, n we had a ship building yard called Camell Lairds.