Thank you for the video! I've worked with tools my whole life, as a mechanic, and in construction. I never knew there was such a thing as screw extraction pliers! 😯
This is the one you want if you work w wood screws. I have the vampliers version and use them every day. I got excited about the knipex version but I kept finding screws the knipex couldn’t grip and had to go back to the vampliers. I have 8 versions of various screw extraction pliers and these work the best. If you can get a quarter turn on a screw you can get the screw without damaging the wood behind it. You only need about the size of the first groove on the grip. Saved me from having to dremmel a slot in screws dozens of times working by the Pacific Ocean where everything metal is destroyed by salt. I have been carrying the same pair using it every day since 2016 I think it was and they are still in good shape and work just like they did when I got them and I have to stick my tools in water all the time
I’ve got both the vampliers and the knipex and one thing I use the the knipex for are those hose clamps on dishwasher and washer hoses, they do a great job for grabbing and not slipping off because of that grove
Never usually do this after a RUclips video but just ordered one after watching this. Exactly what I need and for just over €20 its worth a punt, see how it goes
Did not know that they made these. I have made several pliers like this over the years with a dremel. Great for deburring small pins and keys on a grinder wheel without burning you fingers with the heat transfer.
Nice, didn't even know these were a thing. I think screw extraction bits for power drills would be better for the counter-sunk screws though, since you probably wouldn't want to mar your work by digging it out. But I guess that would depend on the application.
Rebrands with a healthily higher price tag and a different color handle and different laser etching, that's it. They didn't even change the handle design, still has that pew pew Gundam Mecha look, just the color of plastic.
@@AToolWithTools yep but they did a wonderful marketing job in the US market that the guys at Engineer could only have dreamed of. for lots of mechanics, pros and casual ones, they put japanese pliers front stage in some sens and by extension, people started to learn more about Silky, Ars, Ko-ken, KTC, Nepros, Lobster, Vessel and lots of fine japanese tools brands. you can say the success of Vampliers marketing helped made all those more readily available and cheaper to US consumers. not that much a heavy price to pay for that gateway. and if you prefer red handles, you gotta pay anyway. 😉
I have a slotted flush tiny screw that is stripped. Can't get that sucker out of the metal side plate of the fishing reel. Thinking about getting of of these tools.
I lothe slip joint pliers with a passion, that being said, I keep a few around for making custom tools. Never feel bad about taking a grinder or welder to them.
I started into the world of screw extraction pliers with the small locking version / vise-grips Engineer make and am quite happy with it. Alas, since Knipex brought out the twin grips, there is really no need for this simple model any more.
I have several of the Engineer pliers. Snap-On is a retailer like Craftsman, some other entity makes it for them. Not many are made in the USA anymore, noticed some of the simpler tools are still made in the USA. Crimpers, a more complex tool, seem to be made in Taiwan, Japan or even China. The saying tools made in Asia as being junk is largely from the past.
Nope. That's not what retailer means. Craftsman and snap on are not retailers. A retailer is something completely different. Lowe's and ace are retailers for Craftsman, and it doesn't matter who makes the tools. Whether Ccraftsman tools were made by Craftsman, or by another manufacturer, it wouldn't make Craftsman a retailer. And the myth that because tools look the same or are made in the same factory as another tool, they may just be rebranded, is also mostly incorrect. I get how people who don't have any experience in manufacturing can think that, but it's a myth that's been perpetuated far too long. A very large portion of snap on tools are made by snap on, by snap on owned companies. All of their most popular tools are made in snap on owned manufacturing plants. Obscure tools and specially tools are sometimes made by snap on owned companies and are also sometimes made by OEMs. It just depends on which one it is. Snap on has bought dozens of companies (blue point, bahco, Williams), and either continues the brand to make both their own tools AND snap on tools, or they dissolve the brand and have them continue manufacturing snap on tools, or they dissolve the brand all together. Tools that look like another tool are often made of different materials, have different heat treat schedules, have different QC intervals, have different assembly processes, etc. All of that can make the difference between a $9 took and a $29 tool. Having a human assemble the two halves of a pair of pliers can allow them to be riveted together more precisely, accounting for tolerance stack up differences. Where the human can rivet them a little bit, check the action, rivet a bit more, check again, and get it right enough but not too tight. The other tool may be riveted together by a robot, resulting in overly tight or loose and sloppy action of the pliers. One company could spec a higher quality alloy. One company could set up a heat treat schedule that takes 3x as long, but produces a tougher steel. Two interfacing parts may be machines on different, better, machining centers to create a fit up with higher tolerance to create a better product. Hand assembly can allow a human to measure two interfacing parts and pic the ones that fit together best. (This is often done in gun smithing, where you can buy a "matched" upper and lower receiver.) Of the two parts are machined to +0.002/-0.0005 inches, that's a tolerance of 0.0025", and one part of an assembly can be at the lower extreme and the other part can be at the upper extreme, and hand fitting allows them to be matched for better fit up, better action, and better hand feel. If a 0.500" nominal pin is 0.5010", you'd want to match it with a joke that is 0.5015" to get a perfect fit. They're both within tolerance, and a robot would stick any two parts together. But coding hand assembly allows them to be better matched. It also allows hands on with every part, so the assembly man can QC the previous work. That pin and bore are now measured in 100% of the parts, and if there are any out of tolerance, they can try to be matched with a mating part that is also out of tolerance, or removed from the assembly processes. Of you have a pin that's out of tolerance and is way too big, you can match it with a bore that's way too big. This stuff can't be done efficiently with robots unless you robotically integrate a CMM into the process, and that's almost never done. There are a million different things that can be done to create a better or worse product. People ignorant to manufacturing, OEMing, and bringing a product to market just see that they look alike and think they're the same. Williams and Blue Point are snap on owned companies who are producing snap on tools. I can't figure out why this myth is being perpetuated. Very rarely are they the same.
@@littlejackalo5326 l am from manufacturing, electronics. Have had many a Snap-On tool over the years. Decades ago Snap-On got rid of their distribution centers and use UPS. Their jacks were made by Lincoln. Vise's by Wilton And a drill that that smelled of Black & Decker. Many if not virtually all of the brand name products across various sectors farmed out the work to foreign entities, just a matter of time before the entity is only a shell of it's former self. Historically this has happened for 100s of years as in the Dutch making boats. Politics comes into play to protect a domestic maker like Harley Davidson and Black & Decker. Makita got snagged for dumping. Black & Decker is owned by a conglomerate, very common across industries. Makita is still owned by Makita.
@@littlejackalo5326 The term retailer and distributor has lost their specific meaning decades ago. A manufacturer like Apple do not manufacture anything. They are a marketing and distribution entity, 80% of a products retail pricing is from these two elements. 20% is the actual cost of the product.
I don’t have the vice grip type, but I have a 6 piece Vamplier set in a roll, I’ll tell you what, they work pretty well, better than I thought they would
I have the Fujiya brand screw removal pliers, bought from Jaycar Electronics which is an Australian electronics chain, used to be typically hobby based but slowly going the retail route :( (Also the name has nothing to do with cars, the founder was John Carr, J. Carr, hence Jaycar) Great pliers, also have a pair of Engineer brand flush cut side cutters and needlenose from there as well. Excellent tools.
Wanted to order one. Amazon says, "Unavailable". That figures. It happens 3/4 of the times someone posts a video on a really appealing low-dollar tool. Nuts!
i got a few screw extraction pliers, the one i use the most is my Fujiya nsp01-150, i was a bit upset to find out they we're made in Vietnam and not Japan but i gotta admit, the built and price wise the value is pretty damn good, it's basically a knock off of the neiji saurus at half the price
@@scotts4125 yeah Fujiya (i love the brand anyway but..) has that pretty deceptive practice of letting customers think they are all Japan made while being some are and some dont, BUT, i gotta admit you still get a really decent value for what you pay. I own 4 pairs of screw extraction pliers and i think this format is the best, i almost bought the Engineer slip joint but i went for the Knipex, but i almost never use them, they seem like a good idea on paper, but realistically if you try to use the added feature of a wider jaw and try to take off, lets say a 1inch bolt that is rusted stucked, that aint happenin, its basically a bonified pair of slipjoint, you can undo fasteners in a pinch, lets say you go junkyard shopping and you aren't sure what to bring but it doesn't replace a socket set and a braker bar, so a smaller size like the Fujiya is imo just perfect, altough each one i own does a great job of holding round stock, lets say cleaning a bolt or rough machining on a bench grinder
Me either. 39 years Aviation mechanic, never even noticed them in the catalogs and nothing like that in any of the employees supplied boxes. Cool, I’d like to have a pair at home for those wire style hose clamps. Probably much handier than the cable operated contraption I have now.
My dad gave me a different kind of Japanese screw extraction plier. It is some kind of Vamplier. I never had to use it for that purpose, but a stuck screw is inevitable. Having one is preparation for an emergency. I think he paid $25 at Amazon, which isn't too much more than the Engineer plier. It looks like the ergonomics may be better than the Engineer plier, making the extra few dollars worth it. It is interesting to think about Japanese tools from the 1960s. Many were awful. As a result, many people joked about owning a Toyota or Datsun in the 70s. The thought was "They didn't even get something like that right, and you trust your life to a car?" I'm not sure how, but my dad's 1971 and 1979 Toyota Corollas were good cars. The 1971 would occasionally need a clutch slave cylinder, but that was all. Since clutch slave cylinders weren't expensive and weren't difficult to replace, he wasn't upset by them. His 1979 did have a smog related problem that turned the catalytic converter cherry red. However, once it was fixed under warranty, he had no more trouble.
I bought a 1980 Corolla hatchback in 1987 for $250. I sold it two years later for $500 with 126K miles. It was an outstanding car that was so easy to work on. I miss her every once in a while.
@@justme_gb My dad loved his 1979 Corolla 5-speed because he got it when he was single, and because it was very reliable. Once married, the wife demanded a nicer car with an automatic. She picked a 1985 Nissan Maxima, which cost a fortune to repair. Dad was often driving company vans, so letting the wife drive his car would have been fine.
I've always hated slip joint pliers with a passion. I've refused to carry any fashion of them on a daily basis. BUT - those Vampire needle nose look useful...
"SP26-175 Fujiya", for me Doc, have worked great. Similar to the showcased item of your video, a must for crazy leverage on screw/bolt/nail/intricate/rounded/broken items. Boy when you need them, it sure is a "peace of mind tool", that can keep a project moving along without a hiccup. Problem solver, for certain Doc, 👍. -- Paul A. Trujillo.
I remember grinding flats on one and putting a crescent wrench on it, then turning it probably a couple hundred times to get it to wear a tenth or two and it came right out. Now that I think of it, I don't remember why we couldn't just break the thing off in the hole, I think we were all done with it.
Great video. We install devices for accessibility including grab bars and can hit a nail etc or over torque which breaks the screw head off. How well do these to reverse out a screw without a head? They have a good bit of the screw still exposed in most cases. Thanks, great channel.
Got a pair and the finish is totally different.. they are unpolished(?) or something, but are otherwise identical. It’s not a super rough finish just not smooth like in pictures I’ve seen.. is it a trick of the camera or something?
Its very similar to say trying to drill through a concrete or similar wall with hand drill or at best small combi hammer, you could maybe do it but its hard work, takes a lot of doing and will drive you insane eventually, then you have these pliers or in my case a 900w or better purpose-built rotary hammer drill, walla job done
Nice tool and affordable, but realize the limitations. If all you're concerned about is demolition, it's a great tool. I would be very concerned about having to mar the wood surface just to get access for the pliers. My preference would be to use a screw extraction drill set in that case.
If you can get like a quarter turn on a screw you can remove it without damaging the wood behind it w these or the vampliers. Knipex needs several times as much clearance to get a grip. Knipex works better for nuts. These have saved me from having to dremmel slots in screws or drill them out dozens of times without damaging anything. Definitely worth keeping on hand
Hello again Doc Thank you for another Great Video 👍 I already have the four piece set of Vampliers. I think, I paid $140.00 for the set. Again thank you 😊
do you think you got your 140 bucks back in worth with easier work or the ability to do thing that would have been either impossible or way harder without them? 🤔
@@kittytrail Hello Kittytrail I believe, I made money with my Vampliers tools. I only wish they had the Vice Grip pliers option then. Having said that, always give yourself options.
I did a video a while ago where the Vamplier screw extractors literally paid for themselves in one job. A stripped Torx on a mountain bike brake rotor. Fragile job with the price of the hub. 10 seconds later, all was well.
@@lastbesttool would have been faster with Centerlock discs... 😏 joke aside, yes, there're jobs that are better done with very specialized tools where the tools pay for themselves in a couple of uses or less, either in reduced time spent doing it or because you can bill the customer accordingly. 😼 last one for me was my trusty old Wiha 300mm long TR20 screwdriver, the screwdriver that has paid for itself twice or thrice a week for the last 6 years. on same two recessed screw each time. gotta wonder why others doing the same don't get one... 😹
I get that it's a demonstration of the versatility of these pliers, but what's the reason behind not using a screwdriver which is the obvious tool for this?
Stripped screws. And if course with his demo even the snap on would work if used sideways, but screw extractor tip is good in a real use scenario where you can't get the pliers in side ways
Those stupidly named "Vampliers" are rebadged Engineer Brand pliers, and are sold at higher prices. I have several, different pattern Engineer pliers and absolutely love them.
It's more of a western offshoot of engineer. They do have a few unique ones now afaik the linesman with the screw extractor off centered. But yes the price is raised because of the different market I guess . As engineer isn't officially sold in America's only from third party importers
1:33 Kinda surprised the knipex tips line up so ugly when closed. I think it's interesting, but removing a screw in the manner you test I would use these pliers as a last resort. Vice grips perpendicular to the screw shaft would make easy work of it. I have screw extractor sets I been using for 30 years that drill a hole in the screw head then flip the bit and it backs the screw out. The best use I can imagine would be a broken head in a tight space where I'd reach for the needle nose first. I'd buy any of them if the price was right, I probably will go find those needle nose regardless. If price weren't the main factor I'd go all out and get the snap on, they do look like they're easy to hold on to and plenty of leverage
The main reason I can see for the Knipex not aligning like the others is most screws being right hand threaded, the “misalignment” would provide a better bite into it under torsion.
Personally, I'd just spend the extra couple of bucks and get the PZ-59's with the extra functionality. They make great gifts as well. Also worth noting is the PZ-57's for extracting tiny screws.
Solid choices. The 59's are more like the combination/lineman style and cost $5 more. A good suggestion, but a different kind of plier. Lots of choices on Amazon: amzn.to/3Cp2i54
The engineer 56 price isn't under $20. The link's lowest price is $28 and more than $30 with the delivery charge. It can't be combined with other items for free shipping.) The 64 and #5 are better values.
Thanks for the comment. I think the lower price for the others is because there is no current active excitement for them on RUclips. I paid $20.20 with shipping for my pair, and the price was $19 and change when I made the video. Like many things I post, the prices skyrocket after a few hundred viewers click on the link. It will settle down in a week or so.
I like using Lineman’s for brute stuff like a screw. More likely to use vice grips. I bought a Neko brand flashlight for 15 dollars and I don’t know why. I felt like I wasted my money but it’s also blinding level of brightness. Impulse buying isn’t ideal.
Funny.. aside from wondering if you break a lot of screws, your vid reminded of when i used to use my screwdriver to poke holes in stuff instead of going out to the truck for my drill. 🫠 anyway, I n’joy’d yer vid thx!
Nice tool, I have the engineer pz 59,but in most cases the knipex twingrip is better and is my favorite screw extraction plier.
i just bought the twingrips for 18€ couldnt be happier.
@@SuperDeinVadda where did you get it for 18 euro??
@@williamdgmartin Probably somewhere in europe.
It's better until the place you need it to go in is too small.
Thank you for the video! I've worked with tools my whole life, as a mechanic, and in construction. I never knew there was such a thing as screw extraction pliers! 😯
This is the one you want if you work w wood screws. I have the vampliers version and use them every day. I got excited about the knipex version but I kept finding screws the knipex couldn’t grip and had to go back to the vampliers. I have 8 versions of various screw extraction pliers and these work the best. If you can get a quarter turn on a screw you can get the screw without damaging the wood behind it. You only need about the size of the first groove on the grip. Saved me from having to dremmel a slot in screws dozens of times working by the Pacific Ocean where everything metal is destroyed by salt. I have been carrying the same pair using it every day since 2016 I think it was and they are still in good shape and work just like they did when I got them and I have to stick my tools in water all the time
Glad I bought them before Doc reviewed them because now they probably gonna go up in price !
They always put the price up after the review cos now they're famous Haha! 😎💕🖖
I’ve got both the vampliers and the knipex and one thing I use the the knipex for are those hose clamps on dishwasher and washer hoses, they do a great job for grabbing and not slipping off because of that grove
Jason Storie That's what they reminded me of, the old fashioned water pump pliers.
Never usually do this after a RUclips video but just ordered one after watching this. Exactly what I need and for just over €20 its worth a punt, see how it goes
I just out valve grinding compound in the slot or Phillips it has never failed me
Where have these been all my life? Have subscribed.
Did not know that they made these. I have made several pliers like this over the years with a dremel. Great for deburring small pins and keys on a grinder wheel without burning you fingers with the heat transfer.
These are invaluable and not that expensive. Get them and never regret it.
Great pair of pliers. I'm sure glad I bought mine!
Nice, didn't even know these were a thing. I think screw extraction bits for power drills would be better for the counter-sunk screws though, since you probably wouldn't want to mar your work by digging it out. But I guess that would depend on the application.
Sold out, on the Amazon link :/
I wasn't aware of Engineer. They have a lot of good looking tools. Thanks!
I dont have a screw extraction plier but a small vice grip does the job for me.
Vampliers are just rebranded Engineers.
Pretty sure most of the vampliers also have the word "Engineer" in the molded handle plastic as well.
Rebrands with a healthily higher price tag and a different color handle and different laser etching, that's it. They didn't even change the handle design, still has that pew pew Gundam Mecha look, just the color of plastic.
@@AToolWithTools yep but they did a wonderful marketing job in the US market that the guys at Engineer could only have dreamed of. for lots of mechanics, pros and casual ones, they put japanese pliers front stage in some sens and by extension, people started to learn more about Silky, Ars, Ko-ken, KTC, Nepros, Lobster, Vessel and lots of fine japanese tools brands. you can say the success of Vampliers marketing helped made all those more readily available and cheaper to US consumers. not that much a heavy price to pay for that gateway. and if you prefer red handles, you gotta pay anyway. 😉
@@nathanwaight for the US of A maybe, for Japan it's nice enough. 😙👌
Whoaa, finally I have something doc used
Not currently available 😒
I have a slotted flush tiny screw that is stripped. Can't get that sucker out of the metal side plate of the fishing reel. Thinking about getting of of these tools.
I lothe slip joint pliers with a passion, that being said, I keep a few around for making custom tools. Never feel bad about taking a grinder or welder to them.
I've got those for work to use on damaged security screws and the Knipex ones for home.
I started into the world of screw extraction pliers with the small locking version / vise-grips Engineer make and am quite happy with it. Alas, since Knipex brought out the twin grips, there is really no need for this simple model any more.
Right, the twin grip is $20
I have several of the Engineer pliers. Snap-On is a retailer like Craftsman, some other entity makes it for them.
Not many are made in the USA anymore, noticed some of the simpler tools are still made in the USA. Crimpers, a more complex tool, seem to be made in Taiwan, Japan or even China. The saying tools made in Asia as being junk is largely from the past.
Nope. That's not what retailer means. Craftsman and snap on are not retailers. A retailer is something completely different. Lowe's and ace are retailers for Craftsman, and it doesn't matter who makes the tools. Whether Ccraftsman tools were made by Craftsman, or by another manufacturer, it wouldn't make Craftsman a retailer. And the myth that because tools look the same or are made in the same factory as another tool, they may just be rebranded, is also mostly incorrect. I get how people who don't have any experience in manufacturing can think that, but it's a myth that's been perpetuated far too long.
A very large portion of snap on tools are made by snap on, by snap on owned companies. All of their most popular tools are made in snap on owned manufacturing plants. Obscure tools and specially tools are sometimes made by snap on owned companies and are also sometimes made by OEMs. It just depends on which one it is. Snap on has bought dozens of companies (blue point, bahco, Williams), and either continues the brand to make both their own tools AND snap on tools, or they dissolve the brand and have them continue manufacturing snap on tools, or they dissolve the brand all together. Tools that look like another tool are often made of different materials, have different heat treat schedules, have different QC intervals, have different assembly processes, etc. All of that can make the difference between a $9 took and a $29 tool. Having a human assemble the two halves of a pair of pliers can allow them to be riveted together more precisely, accounting for tolerance stack up differences. Where the human can rivet them a little bit, check the action, rivet a bit more, check again, and get it right enough but not too tight. The other tool may be riveted together by a robot, resulting in overly tight or loose and sloppy action of the pliers. One company could spec a higher quality alloy. One company could set up a heat treat schedule that takes 3x as long, but produces a tougher steel. Two interfacing parts may be machines on different, better, machining centers to create a fit up with higher tolerance to create a better product. Hand assembly can allow a human to measure two interfacing parts and pic the ones that fit together best. (This is often done in gun smithing, where you can buy a "matched" upper and lower receiver.) Of the two parts are machined to +0.002/-0.0005 inches, that's a tolerance of 0.0025", and one part of an assembly can be at the lower extreme and the other part can be at the upper extreme, and hand fitting allows them to be matched for better fit up, better action, and better hand feel. If a 0.500" nominal pin is 0.5010", you'd want to match it with a joke that is 0.5015" to get a perfect fit. They're both within tolerance, and a robot would stick any two parts together. But coding hand assembly allows them to be better matched. It also allows hands on with every part, so the assembly man can QC the previous work. That pin and bore are now measured in 100% of the parts, and if there are any out of tolerance, they can try to be matched with a mating part that is also out of tolerance, or removed from the assembly processes. Of you have a pin that's out of tolerance and is way too big, you can match it with a bore that's way too big. This stuff can't be done efficiently with robots unless you robotically integrate a CMM into the process, and that's almost never done. There are a million different things that can be done to create a better or worse product. People ignorant to manufacturing, OEMing, and bringing a product to market just see that they look alike and think they're the same. Williams and Blue Point are snap on owned companies who are producing snap on tools. I can't figure out why this myth is being perpetuated. Very rarely are they the same.
@@littlejackalo5326 l am from manufacturing, electronics. Have had many a Snap-On tool over the years. Decades ago Snap-On got rid of their distribution centers and use UPS. Their jacks were made by Lincoln. Vise's by Wilton
And a drill that that smelled of Black & Decker.
Many if not virtually all of the brand name products across various sectors farmed out the work to foreign entities, just a matter of time before the entity is only a shell of it's former self. Historically this has happened for 100s of years as in the Dutch making boats.
Politics comes into play to protect a domestic maker like Harley Davidson and Black & Decker. Makita got snagged for dumping. Black & Decker is owned by a conglomerate, very common across industries. Makita is still owned by Makita.
@@littlejackalo5326 The term retailer and distributor has lost their specific meaning decades ago. A manufacturer like Apple do not manufacture anything. They are a marketing and distribution entity, 80% of a products retail pricing is from these two elements. 20% is the actual cost of the product.
I love my Vise-grips for jobs like that. If you can lock it on any exposed screw remnant,it will turn out effortlessly.
I don’t have the vice grip type, but I have a 6 piece Vamplier set in a roll, I’ll tell you what, they work pretty well, better than I thought they would
I wish I had a screw extracting pliers yesterday I had to use a cutting tool to get some screws off
did you ever try a pair of diagonal cutting pliers? (dikes) they work great.
I have the Fujiya brand screw removal pliers, bought from Jaycar Electronics which is an Australian electronics chain, used to be typically hobby based but slowly going the retail route :(
(Also the name has nothing to do with cars, the founder was John Carr, J. Carr, hence Jaycar) Great pliers, also have a pair of Engineer brand flush cut side cutters and needlenose from there as well. Excellent tools.
Them Jaypan tools is mighty fine
Engineer is pure quality
Wanted to order one. Amazon says, "Unavailable". That figures. It happens 3/4 of the times someone posts a video on a really appealing low-dollar tool. Nuts!
I’ve got the knipex twin grips, great plier.
i got a few screw extraction pliers, the one i use the most is my Fujiya nsp01-150, i was a bit upset to find out they we're made in Vietnam and not Japan but i gotta admit, the built and price wise the value is pretty damn good, it's basically a knock off of the neiji saurus at half the price
I have the same ones. Mine are brand new never actually used them yet. Didn't know they were made in Vietnam though.
@@scotts4125 yeah Fujiya (i love the brand anyway but..) has that pretty deceptive practice of letting customers think they are all Japan made while being some are and some dont, BUT, i gotta admit you still get a really decent value for what you pay. I own 4 pairs of screw extraction pliers and i think this format is the best, i almost bought the Engineer slip joint but i went for the Knipex, but i almost never use them, they seem like a good idea on paper, but realistically if you try to use the added feature of a wider jaw and try to take off, lets say a 1inch bolt that is rusted stucked, that aint happenin, its basically a bonified pair of slipjoint, you can undo fasteners in a pinch, lets say you go junkyard shopping and you aren't sure what to bring but it doesn't replace a socket set and a braker bar, so a smaller size like the Fujiya is imo just perfect, altough each one i own does a great job of holding round stock, lets say cleaning a bolt or rough machining on a bench grinder
Utica 1300-6
Snap-on 5CF
Vessel HSP-175
Very cool Tool, never heard of it before
I have the pz57 and pz58
but I love my knipex twin grip pliers best
Must be good. Currently sold out on amazon.
All the years of working with tools, I've never heard of such a tool. Great, now I need to get one lol
Exactly what I am thinking.
I had no idea this type of pliers existed. Thank you! I'll be buying a pair on my next trip to the hardware store.
Me either. 39 years Aviation mechanic, never even noticed them in the catalogs and nothing like that in any of the employees supplied boxes. Cool, I’d like to have a pair at home for those wire style hose clamps. Probably much handier than the cable operated contraption I have now.
Pa said let you hammer be a hammer and your pliers be pliers. There’s a lesson in that boys.
My dad gave me a different kind of Japanese screw extraction plier. It is some kind of Vamplier. I never had to use it for that purpose, but a stuck screw is inevitable. Having one is preparation for an emergency.
I think he paid $25 at Amazon, which isn't too much more than the Engineer plier. It looks like the ergonomics may be better than the Engineer plier, making the extra few dollars worth it.
It is interesting to think about Japanese tools from the 1960s. Many were awful. As a result, many people joked about owning a Toyota or Datsun in the 70s. The thought was "They didn't even get something like that right, and you trust your life to a car?" I'm not sure how, but my dad's 1971 and 1979 Toyota Corollas were good cars. The 1971 would occasionally need a clutch slave cylinder, but that was all. Since clutch slave cylinders weren't expensive and weren't difficult to replace, he wasn't upset by them. His 1979 did have a smog related problem that turned the catalytic converter cherry red. However, once it was fixed under warranty, he had no more trouble.
I bought a 1980 Corolla hatchback in 1987 for $250. I sold it two years later for $500 with 126K miles. It was an outstanding car that was so easy to work on. I miss her every once in a while.
@@justme_gb My dad loved his 1979 Corolla 5-speed because he got it when he was single, and because it was very reliable. Once married, the wife demanded a nicer car with an automatic. She picked a 1985 Nissan Maxima, which cost a fortune to repair. Dad was often driving company vans, so letting the wife drive his car would have been fine.
I can’t believe I’ve gone my whole life without one! Remedying that now!
I really like the handle designs of the Vampliers. I've never heard of that brand..
Wow, 10/5/22 and out of stock on Amazon!
I've always hated slip joint pliers with a passion. I've refused to carry any fashion of them on a daily basis.
BUT - those Vampire needle nose look useful...
"SP26-175 Fujiya", for me Doc, have worked great. Similar to the showcased item of your video, a must for crazy leverage on screw/bolt/nail/intricate/rounded/broken items. Boy when you need them, it sure is a "peace of mind tool", that can keep a project moving along without a hiccup. Problem solver, for certain Doc, 👍. -- Paul A. Trujillo.
Just for wood? Or would they work on some screws in metal?
They should work on any screw, or anything for that matter, that the jaws can grab hold of.
They went up to $35 on Amazon but a great Japanese brand is Tsunoda!
sold on it after your video. but went to order it and currently unavailable
That's a beautiful tool
Wow! The price for the Engineer PZ-56 pliers went up quickly. It's 3 days after your video posted and they're now $25.
Today, Oct. 6, they are no longer available at Amazon.
Typical
Can these be used to twist a few electrical wires without shredding the wires?
What about a cast iron surface from a pellet stove door, mine are frozen and I have to replace the cracked glass
Hex nuts filled with mig weld-
I saw someone tighten a drill chuck around the head of the screw and unscrewed it using reverse. How are these superior?
A drill chuck would never bite a screw like these pliers.
That said there are a thousand ways to remove a stripped screw, use whatever works for you.
TIL these are a thing! I'm a machinist and these look like they'd be a lifesaver for dowel pins too.
I remember grinding flats on one and putting a crescent wrench on it, then turning it probably a couple hundred times to get it to wear a tenth or two and it came right out. Now that I think of it, I don't remember why we couldn't just break the thing off in the hole, I think we were all done with it.
i just always buy knipex, buing the same tool several times, or having time lost due to tool breakage went expensive fast
Oct. 9- 22 Currently unavailable on Amazon
Great video. We install devices for accessibility including grab bars and can hit a nail etc or over torque which breaks the screw head off. How well do these to reverse out a screw without a head? They have a good bit of the screw still exposed in most cases. Thanks, great channel.
Got a pair and the finish is totally different.. they are unpolished(?) or something, but are otherwise identical. It’s not a super rough finish just not smooth like in pictures I’ve seen.. is it a trick of the camera or something?
Its very similar to say trying to drill through a concrete or similar wall with hand drill or at best small combi hammer, you could maybe do it but its hard work, takes a lot of doing and will drive you insane eventually, then you have these pliers or in my case a 900w or better purpose-built rotary hammer drill, walla job done
I heard that Vampliers are just a more expensive rebrand of Engineer pliers, so the quality of the two should be the same.
red handles are more expensive than green ones, everything else is the same except ease of warranty in the US. 😋
Nice tool and affordable, but realize the limitations. If all you're concerned about is demolition, it's a great tool. I would be very concerned about having to mar the wood surface just to get access for the pliers. My preference would be to use a screw extraction drill set in that case.
If you can get like a quarter turn on a screw you can remove it without damaging the wood behind it w these or the vampliers. Knipex needs several times as much clearance to get a grip. Knipex works better for nuts. These have saved me from having to dremmel slots in screws or drill them out dozens of times without damaging anything. Definitely worth keeping on hand
I went with the PZ-58’s they seem sturdier.
I use just a regular pair of vise grips and they work fine every time.
Hello again Doc
Thank you for another Great Video 👍 I already have the four piece set of Vampliers. I think, I paid $140.00 for the set. Again thank you 😊
do you think you got your 140 bucks back in worth with easier work or the ability to do thing that would have been either impossible or way harder without them? 🤔
@@kittytrail Hello Kittytrail
I believe, I made money with my Vampliers tools. I only wish they had the Vice Grip pliers option then. Having said that, always give yourself options.
@@georgeferlazzo7936 😉
I did a video a while ago where the Vamplier screw extractors literally paid for themselves in one job. A stripped Torx on a mountain bike brake rotor. Fragile job with the price of the hub. 10 seconds later, all was well.
@@lastbesttool would have been faster with Centerlock discs... 😏
joke aside, yes, there're jobs that are better done with very specialized tools where the tools pay for themselves in a couple of uses or less, either in reduced time spent doing it or because you can bill the customer accordingly. 😼
last one for me was my trusty old Wiha 300mm long TR20 screwdriver, the screwdriver that has paid for itself twice or thrice a week for the last 6 years. on same two recessed screw each time. gotta wonder why others doing the same don't get one... 😹
I have a 3" vise grip that I gave $2, for that work just fine thanks!
Thank You for this
Recommend you use a 2nd camera with magnification and show the tool gripping screws. Show how the pliers ‘bite’ into the screws.
I get that it's a demonstration of the versatility of these pliers, but what's the reason behind not using a screwdriver which is the obvious tool for this?
Stripped screws. And if course with his demo even the snap on would work if used sideways, but screw extractor tip is good in a real use scenario where you can't get the pliers in side ways
Good party trick, but how good it is on rounded rusted head screwed in metal? I bet it will fail.
Very nice. Thanks!
I feel like I’ve been in the dark a long time. I did not know screw extraction pliers were a thing.
Those stupidly named "Vampliers" are rebadged Engineer Brand pliers, and are sold at higher prices. I have several, different pattern Engineer pliers and absolutely love them.
It's more of a western offshoot of engineer. They do have a few unique ones now afaik the linesman with the screw extractor off centered. But yes the price is raised because of the different market I guess . As engineer isn't officially sold in America's only from third party importers
Vampliers are the Engineer brand in North America at twice the price.
You made me order some!
Quick check using the provided Amazon link (Oct 9, 2022) and the "less than $20.00" Engineer PZ-56 is now $27.99.
I need to add that cut into my leathermans.
1:33 Kinda surprised the knipex tips line up so ugly when closed.
I think it's interesting, but removing a screw in the manner you test I would use these pliers as a last resort. Vice grips perpendicular to the screw shaft would make easy work of it. I have screw extractor sets I been using for 30 years that drill a hole in the screw head then flip the bit and it backs the screw out. The best use I can imagine would be a broken head in a tight space where I'd reach for the needle nose first. I'd buy any of them if the price was right, I probably will go find those needle nose regardless. If price weren't the main factor I'd go all out and get the snap on, they do look like they're easy to hold on to and plenty of leverage
The main reason I can see for the Knipex not aligning like the others is most screws being right hand threaded, the “misalignment” would provide a better bite into it under torsion.
which vendors carry the extraction pliers? where can I get one?
The PZ-58 looks nice and heavy for 21 bucks too.
I just ordered five more pair of Engineer pliers. Stay tuned for those reviews.
@@lastbesttool This is a great video to let people know how great Japanese tools are in general, and their great pricing as well.
@@lastbesttool make sure to test if they “fall open” I just got a pair of engineer needle nose PZ 60s that don’t 😒
What kind of watch you wearing?
DSSD
Vise grip most of the time.
What do you need this for ?
I ain't buying any of them.
The best tool here is using a quality Robertson screw and driver and then the plier will not be needed
No longer available on amzn
Can’t go wrong with tools made in Germany, Japan or USA
I went broke buying tools that "pay for themselves"
Personally, I'd just spend the extra couple of bucks and get the PZ-59's with the extra functionality. They make great gifts as well.
Also worth noting is the PZ-57's for extracting tiny screws.
Solid choices. The 59's are more like the combination/lineman style and cost $5 more. A good suggestion, but a different kind of plier. Lots of choices on Amazon: amzn.to/3Cp2i54
The engineer 56 price isn't under $20. The link's lowest price is $28 and more than $30 with the delivery charge. It can't be combined with other items for free shipping.) The 64 and #5 are better values.
Thanks for the comment. I think the lower price for the others is because there is no current active excitement for them on RUclips. I paid $20.20 with shipping for my pair, and the price was $19 and change when I made the video. Like many things I post, the prices skyrocket after a few hundred viewers click on the link. It will settle down in a week or so.
$20 where? Ebay and Amazon start at $36
They are $38 now
Oh nice
Need that kind of jaw in a locking plier design.
Did you even watch the video?
Didn't see this one :)
or just turn the pliers sideways....?
Good
Vampliers…… all that needs to be said.
Vamplier is engineer. They just markup the price for north America
The oem for vampliers is engineer. Essentially there only 3 viable models. The knipex one is worse just buy the 2 normal engineers and you are good.
I really like my VAMPLIERS
I wish I had a lot of money to buy all of them but sadly I don't.
They make screw extraction Pliers? Can't you just use C-4?
I like using Lineman’s for brute stuff like a screw. More likely to use vice grips.
I bought a Neko brand flashlight for 15 dollars and I don’t know why. I felt like I wasted my money but it’s also blinding level of brightness. Impulse buying isn’t ideal.
Funny.. aside from wondering if you break a lot of screws, your vid reminded of when i used to use my screwdriver to poke holes in stuff instead of going out to the truck for my drill. 🫠
anyway, I n’joy’d yer vid thx!