@@danieljohnston3708 Yes I started believing in evolution full stop bc it did show some evidence for it. I was also taught that i cld believe in science or the bible but not both i had to choose. With that mindset and in my mind proof evolution was real i became an athiest and my life spiraled out of controll. After watching some of his videos and some other videos on gene mutations i realized it was (de) - volution not evolution. The video with Dr. Swamadass was the one that initially brought me back. Im much happier now! Praise the lord!
Thank you sir. I’m in tears watching this. Thanks be to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Please understand that the effect you have had on this 60 year old man with to many fears has been liberating to me.
Thank you brother Jim and Brian! Excellent video. The information is on the order of mind-blowing!!! God designed this world to cause AWE in our hearts and appreciate the Majesty of the great I Am!! Thank you Lord for such testimony in the "things that are made"
@@derhafi You use the word “demonstrating” as though it means only one thing - material demonstration. As such, this is a narrow view of reality. If I want you to convince me to believe in gravity, I shouldn’t be asking for philosophical evidence. Likewise, if you want me to convince you about the existence of an immaterial, invisible, transcendent Being, it’d be pretty stupid for you to ask for material, visible, finite evidence. By the way, Jesus of Nazareth already demonstrated God’s existence. I mean, He literally was here, yet people crucified Him. Also, you seem to be under the impression that the evidence for God rests upon disproving Darwinism and abiogenesis. That is not the case. We *know* from our uniform experience that information comes only from a mind, and design comes only from a Designer, and engineering comes only from an Engineer. Just as you say that the existence of God isn’t proven by disproving Darwinian evolution and abiogenesis, neither is Darwinism and abiogenesis proven by attempting to debunk ID arguments. But to just press upon you one truth: since we *know* that the universe and life as we know it did NOT begin by blind, undirected natural processes, then there’s only one other alternative - intelligent, directed, supernatural processes (by supernatural, I mean that it requires intervention, an interruption of nature). This is evidence for God. There is One who is above all who was responsible for creating everything. As for suffering and death and decay, Christians have a perfectly rational explanation for it - God cursed the entire cosmos because of man’s sin. As a result, we suffer and die and decay and return to dust.
"Where does the error correction code come from? How does the DNA even know what an 'error' is?"- brilliant questions with solid answers. Thanks. The LORD be with you.
Thanks for your break-out listing of cues/questions from the hour+ discussion. There are so many complex ideas covered, and this helps to go back and revisit them
When it comes to God, Christians are timid or afraid to use the intellectual aspects of the Bible to defend the scriptures which is the supremacy of God's word and instructions to our lives. We should not be afraid of scientific and technological advances. Science, Bible and God do mix together well. It is the worldviews that make the difference. From the biblical point of view it resonates perfectly with the statements "in the beginning was the Word ... and the Word was God .... All things came to be through Him " ( John 1: 1 - 3 ) . We live in a information based Universe of which scientists are able to do science, where does all that information comes from ? When you see a word or information you infer a mind so what mind is behind the information fill universe ? First thing to notice is that human reason and understanding did not create the universe. This point is so obvious that at first it might seem trivial but, but it is in fact, of fundamental importance when we comes to assess the validity of our cognitive facilities. Not only did we not create the universe, but we did not create our own powers of reason either. We can develop our rational faculty by use, but we did not originate them. God as an explanation of our existence is the best inference because of information embedded in the physical world and including ourselves with DNA.
Dr. Tour and Dr. Miller this was a great discussion on biological information theory. The reality is we live in a word based reality not in a material one. Craig Venture (synthetic biology) said " it's the software that makes the hardware" and Wheeler coined the phrase "it from bit". We are witnessing a paradigm shift in thinking and you both are adding to it. The Word has spoken a word. God bless you both.
I'm getting closer to understanding this now... This is absolutely fascinating, factually solid information. God is an awesome designer because He has an awesome imagination!
i'm just a simple old country chiropractor, with simple questions and I crave Dr. Tour & this podcast because you guys come the closest to the answers I seek. Thank God for y'all.
Computer scientists and programmers are very familiar with these systems. I’ve personally created programs that function as described here. It’s fascinating how biology and chemistry or biochemistry match what we already know and do in computer science.
Excellent program. Thank you. I'm not a biologist and do not understand how the complexity of the cell could operate without being designed. The probability argument is sufficient for me to trust in a Designer. This video will be on my reference list when I try to explain the God truth to skeptics.
Here is another great video, although a bit older: A great RUclips film showing that scientific evidence more strongly supports Intelligent Design and not evolution is "Unlocking The Mystery of Life" . One of the scientists in the film (second half of the film) discusses how DNA convinced him that his best selling science College textbook ( he co-authored it) on how life evolved from chemicals was completely impossible : ruclips.net/video/tzj8iXiVDT8/видео.html
The further you dig the more you realize the evidence points to God. Last night at our Bible study we talked about the revival happening in education. I believe the Holy Spirit is moving in our hearts "and our minds". Doctor Tour inspires and challenges me to be more for Christ and the possibilities of what can happen when we "leave nothing on the field". Listened to one of his podcasts with Dr John Sanford and purchased the book genetic entropy, what an amazing book full of scientific insight! God bless you Dr Tour!
@@midlander4 You might be taken more seriously if you spelled better than a 2 year old and a grasp of how impossible neo Darwinism is to believe. Your faith in 19th century science seems incredible
This was one of the best episodes proving the impossibility of abiogenesis, but also biochemical evolution that could lead the first self-assembly of a "simple cell"... There is more evidence that disproves materialists claims, such as self-assembly and function of molecular machines that sustain the living cell: What forces cause those processes? Nobody knows... but quantum mechanics is the suspect... Congrats Dr. Tour and Dr. Miller!
@@tomashull9805 I was repeating what you said because it stood out to me. I think it's a very important question, one that a lot of evolutionists avoid with flippancy. You know, the usual "sky god" or "god of the gaps" comments. Instead of them answering the question head on.
I have listened to this video five times now. These guys are way into this and it is exciting to hear such in depth detail. So, it seems likely that any beginning mutations would be "selected out" or corrected long before any of the enzymes, amino acids, and proteins could reliably assemble anywhere in the body of a given life form and offer any physical advantage for more capable procreation. In other words there would be nothing to "select for" that would not have been there already. So, at this point I am not very convinced that random mutation followed by natural selection is how the Earth's bio diversity came to be.
But what we have with evolutionary biologists, such as Bret Weinstein, is that when they have discovered that life has optimal design, such as discussed at 39:00, that just increases their amazement at the wonder of evolution. Evolution becomes the God and they worship at its feet.
That’s precisely the problem, and when you refer to the primary literature... it is covered with this type of circular reasoning.... ‘Natural selection must have found a selectable pathway’... even when the evidence shows the contrary. They assume hypotheticals... and by doing that, they make the theory invulnerable... and therefore unfalsifiable. Yet that’s precisely one of the demarcation criterion’s they hold against Design... Well come on guys, there’s two different sets of rules here, one for the home team and one for the away team.
Sigh. They told us not to believe in fairy tales, but they sure have no problem believing that nothing (i.e. no agency, no intelligence) designed everything.
Ok show me one eye witness account of your Jesus, off you go, I'll wait shall I? Your Jesus is fiction, nothing more. James Tour is a fraud and knows nothing about the historicity of Jesus.
@@davidweeks3981 Obviously any eyewitness would long be dead. But if you want historical evidences: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus Yes it's just Wikipedia. But the sources are annotated. To claim Jesus is fiction, you would have to refute all of that.
M yup Jesus is fiction, nothing you have tried to show here has proven otherwise, case closed Nothing eye witness at all and Tour still a fraud, so nothing new.
@@davidweeks3981 And you have brought zero , nothing of substance, to defend any of your accusations. Go ahead. List them all here so you can be cross examined. Show your scholarly and intellectual prowess. If you can't, which is almost certain, please spare yourself further humilation and retreat to your darwinist religion.
No eye witnesses of Evolution either. Nor any verifiable hard scientific proof. None. You should examine and realize the pitiful irony of your own demands.
Jesus is the ONLY hope and love humanity ever needs. There is none other who is the only way to life after this life. He created everything that has life in it. Oh, He is so amazing and so personal, and so holy and just and merciful, and ...we cannot write it all down.
the they basically appeal to the all powerful, all knowing, life friendly SELECTOR without saying that the attibutes of such a selector has to be like that for OOL. your chemist selector metaphor is perfect dr.tour
Dr. Tour,, Dr. Miller, greetings! I'd like to add that, according to a lecture about coronaviruses, there is a phenomenon that demonstrates that there is information to produce at least one other protein not encoded in the " first layer" genome, and it's a functional protein, and that layer of information is created after a slippage of the mRNA in relation to the ribosomes; that region of the viral mRNA is called pseudo gene, as far as I remember and it works in a similar way as a frameshift mutation but it is as if we skip one or more of the first letters of a book and another entire story is there intertwined with the story that begins with the first letter of the first word... talking about intelligent design! The Bible states that nothing was created without Jesus, He co created all life!
I'm guessing about 99% of evolutionary biologists would When asked whether "humans have evolved over time," 98% of all AAAS members said yes, and 99% of working PhD scientists and 99% of active research scientists all said yes. [Rainie2015]. That makes 1% who wouldn't
@@nosegrindv4951 Think you missed the point then. Real science doesn't take ID or creationism seriously as indicated by the survey, if you don't agree then take it up with the AAAS (AMERICAN ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF SCIENCE!!)
@@beckmack1994 google James Tour liar for Jesus, there’s plenty there Conflating science and religion is never a good idea and Tour should know that. Trying to wedge Jesus into everything he does is not scientific
David Weeks you’re upset that times are changing. This isn’t the 1950s anymore where science shut out God and closed the door. Every day that goes by science shows the need of a creator more and more. And scientists and people such as yourself hate that, but the door is opened now and dr tour is fighting a closed minded system that’s been unchanging for 70 years! AKA origin of life
@@ashunbound Tell you what, lets say that all of science is wrong and you're right, tell me how you intelligent design works? Where does it start? the first cell? the first animal? the first human? are all things designed or just the first few? did "it" intervene at the first cell, DNA or RNA? So explain to me your "Origin of life", promise I won't laugh, as you said it isn't the 1950's anymore and we don't believe in your utter BS.
i am 60yrs from becoming_ a Christian. Then Science was so difficult to reconcile with faith. Faith still stood firm. In the past few years, research has 'His Handiwork' discovered (growing). Science is like a telescope and microscope peering into the workshop of The Almighty.
Is Mr. James Tour acquainted with the work of St. Seraphim Rouse and what he thinks of him and if not let him do it. Greetings and admiration for the attitude towards what we Orthodox call "the word through which everything that became ... has become ..."
I was just watching a report on the discovery of the the 40k sensory nuerites in the heart hosted by Gregg Braden. I thought of your work and hoped you might explore that in your lectures since they seem related to explain science still cannot explain so much about the so very unique human.
Interesting talk. I appreciate the emphasis on the role played by information. Perhaps someone can clear this part up for me: At 9:30 "...to increase what's called their free energy. That's a physical impossibility. It never happens anywhere in the universe......except if it has help. Which I'll get into." That is unclear wording. What exactly is Dr. Miller claiming here?
All natural processes move from higher free energy to lower free energy, which means they either move toward lower energy or higher entropy or both. The only time a system can move to a higher free energy state is if it is aided by an engine. A freezer can freeze ice on a hot summer day (move to higher free energy) since it has a motor that uses electricity to run a pump that keeps its temperature unnaturally cold.
@@brianmiller5207 Thank you for the reply, Dr. Miller. When you say an engine, do you only mean ones that are literally assembled by someone for the purpose? Surely there are examples where one natural process drives another. Of course you can could think of the coupling between the two processes as a kind of natural engine. Or is this not so?
@@jasonparker6138 Natural processes do drive other natural processes, but the energy sources available on the early earth are not matched to most of the chemical reactions and other processes of life. The most popular proposal for an early "natural engine" is by Nick Lane and his colleagues who argue that proton flow in alkaline thermal vents could drive life-relevant chemical reactions. The challenge is that experimental simulations are only able to generate the tiniest fraction of the required power to even maintain the simplest of cells. Life matches the energy sources available (e.g., light, glucose, sulfur compounds) to biological processes by using fantastically complex molecular machinery such as ATP synthase.
@@brianmiller5207 Yes, I agree with what you say there. Whatever the earliest proto-living systems were, they would have to be much, much "lower-tech" than the simplest living things around now. Sort of like the difference between the automobiles from the late 1800s compared to whatever is the cheapest car you can get now, only vastly greater. Origin of life researchers sometimes fail to make that clear enough, in my opinion. But in the video and in your first reply it sounded like you were arguing on very general principles that the concentration of energy associated with the emergence of living systems violates the laws of physics...unless it has help (from someone?). That would be the end of the argument right there, because nothing is going to violate the laws of physics. There would be no need to argue the specifics of any particular proposal. Do I have that right, or have I misunderstood?
@@jasonparker6138 The truth is actually the opposite. Cells that have to entirely fend for themselves are much more complex than those that are parasitic. The latter are what are used to estimate the minimal number of genes required for autonomous cells. The complexity can only be reduced to a certain point. If the energy production is less efficient then more copies of engines are required. If enzymes are less efficient, then more energy is required. An analogy for the minimal complexity required for self-replication would be the minimally complex machinery required to colonize Pluto.
Something I've noticed on social media when dissuading origins of life. Very often Abiogenesis is waved about like some sort of magical sword which instantly destroys all ID/Creationist arguments. Abiogenesis...Abiogenesis...Abiogenesis They shout.
Abiogenesis is now my go to to discredit materialism empirically. I love when they go there themselves. My hard anti-evolution/Darwinism arguments are tied up in algorithmic arguments, and there are too few people who can think algorithmically and/or can't/won't confuse themselves into a false solution.
@@2strokesimulation68 Thing is in the mid 19th century, when Materialist view really got going, you could have made a good argument for Materialism, based on what was known. As time has gone on and we have learned more and more about the universe, those argument have gotten weaker and weaker. Until today it seems Nonsense is Nonsense, no mater how it is put. As someone who really wants to know The Truth, there are 5 words I keep in my mind. But..I...Could...Be...Wrong. They (Atheists/Naturalists/Materialists) Could be right..I don't like so. It makes no sense. I wonder if late at night, with no one around they question it also.
@@2strokesimulation68 Listen, I've been called many things, RARELY has it been I'm the brightest bulb on the tree. I just want some simple easy to understand answers to 3 small simple questions. 1. How do you get Something from Nothing? 2. How do you get Life from Non-Life? 3. What happened to the Body? (of Jesus) So far The Bible gives me the Best Answers. By Best I mean answers that require the Smallest Leap Of Faith. But..I...Could...Be...Wrong.
@@stevenwiederholt7000 Oh, I was agreeing with you...did you think I was disagreeing with you? I know my replies are a bit superfluous (ever use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice?) Materialism ends at the beginning of the Universe. It can't go past there. Even posited "nothings" are only "nothings" to the materialist who is always lagging at least a frame behind scientific reality. I work on simulations. If the nothing would require a function and/or state data to represent, it's something. Is there even such a thing as "Nothing"? If we reduce space to a relativistic potential function between neighbors on a topology, there's no such thing as "empty space", it's merely a visual separation, yet another useful abstraction of reality by the incredible and beautiful firmware God has gifted us with.
I am a Christian only, literally ONLY because first, God called me and second, the evidence for God I could not refute. I am the weakest poorest Christian you could ever meet. Yet Christ still will save me because I hang onto Him like a man hanging onto a life preserver in a storm. The paradox, if that's the right word is that I can only hang on because He gives me the strength and will to hang on.
Absolutely amazing video (as most are ), im really glad to see the thermodynamic impossibilities of OoL as most completely skip these well known laws. I love thermo only second to the biochemistry as a subject so its nice to see this explored in depth. I wish everyone was required to watch videos like this that blindly believe in their fairy tales of life spontaneously forming; its an utterly obsurd idea.
Here another large problem. Protocol design. To have communication, you need a protocol that both sides of the conversation agree on at all times. If you update the protocol on one side, the other side needs to have the same version to understand it. Protocols are also complex as the receiver essentially needs to process packets the equal-but-opposite of the sender. Extremely complex to implement with the highest accuracy required. However with selection and random mutation, this is exactly opposite of what is needed to properly Version any protocols and have them function. Small errors (or mutations) in the sending or receiving logic will destroy the protocol - not just hinder it. To Version a protocol, you would also need to change the sending logic *and* the receiving logic at the same time, so you would need extremely fine coordinated mutation(s) that somehow just happen somehow. Then you also need coordinated changes to supporting data structures, memory storage, transport mechanics, etc. I mean come on. Are you kidding me naturalists? This is just one simple example. Amazing complexity required at the very beginning of life, not hacked on as an after thought.
And for a long period of time, the "engines" are more complex then simple cell it is trying to bootstrap. So back to the Eigen's Paradox. This single question torpedo's all arguments for natural selection. The engines also need a signaling mechanism, protocols, and control systems before doing anything.
Professor Tour, your love for Ha Meshiach Yeshua is so infectious it makes me love Yeshua more. I Love Thee Ha Meshiach Yeshua, you are my everything. - Amen.
@@Jdelli0916 It's really good to know. I used to debate atheists who always asked for any scientist who can believe in the Bible. I didn't have much on my list, but now I have plenty.
Taking into account that the whole science was founded by christians (vast majority religious priests), that the vast majority of scientists who have won a nobel prize were Judeo-christians and that the vast majority currently do consider not only as a conceptual book, but an accurated one, the ones who must be ashamed are those who don´t consider the Gospel.
@@tomashull9805 Forgiveness and redemption if we believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
28:00 mind blowing....I never considered that the laboratory procedures are a form of information as well. When you’re talking about the information problem you’re talking DNA codons, amino acid orders, and assembly procedure at least. Poor early earth.
Dr. James tour brought me back to Christ after being an athiest for years. God bless you sir...
Awesome to hear man! His passion for Jesus is infectious.
praise the Lord Jesus
With all due respect. Jesus put a teacher in your path to bring you home. Dr. Tour would agree that Christ gets the credit.
Welcome Home!!!
@@danieljohnston3708 Yes I started believing in evolution full stop bc it did show some evidence for it. I was also taught that i cld believe in science or the bible but not both i had to choose. With that mindset and in my mind proof evolution was real i became an athiest and my life spiraled out of controll. After watching some of his videos and some other videos on gene mutations i realized it was (de) - volution not evolution. The video with Dr. Swamadass was the one that initially brought me back. Im much happier now! Praise the lord!
@@vinsonhelton7141 Amen!
“Science points to a Creator at every level”. Absolutely true Doc. I couldn’t have said it better.
Thank you sir. I’m in tears watching this. Thanks be to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Please understand that the effect you have had on this 60 year old man with to many fears has been liberating to me.
Have you tried learning science?
God bless you James. Your introduction is wonderful.
Thank you brother Jim and Brian! Excellent video. The information is on the order of mind-blowing!!! God designed this world to cause AWE in our hearts and appreciate the Majesty of the great I Am!!
Thank you Lord for such testimony in the "things that are made"
@@derhafi You use the word “demonstrating” as though it means only one thing - material demonstration. As such, this is a narrow view of reality. If I want you to convince me to believe in gravity, I shouldn’t be asking for philosophical evidence. Likewise, if you want me to convince you about the existence of an immaterial, invisible, transcendent Being, it’d be pretty stupid for you to ask for material, visible, finite evidence.
By the way, Jesus of Nazareth already demonstrated God’s existence. I mean, He literally was here, yet people crucified Him.
Also, you seem to be under the impression that the evidence for God rests upon disproving Darwinism and abiogenesis. That is not the case. We *know* from our uniform experience that information comes only from a mind, and design comes only from a Designer, and engineering comes only from an Engineer. Just as you say that the existence of God isn’t proven by disproving Darwinian evolution and abiogenesis, neither is Darwinism and abiogenesis proven by attempting to debunk ID arguments.
But to just press upon you one truth: since we *know* that the universe and life as we know it did NOT begin by blind, undirected natural processes, then there’s only one other alternative - intelligent, directed, supernatural processes (by supernatural, I mean that it requires intervention, an interruption of nature).
This is evidence for God. There is One who is above all who was responsible for creating everything.
As for suffering and death and decay, Christians have a perfectly rational explanation for it - God cursed the entire cosmos because of man’s sin. As a result, we suffer and die and decay and return to dust.
Thank you for the discussion, Dr. Tour and Dr. Miller.
Appreciate the 'Laymen's' nomenclature for this complex subject. God Bless.
Thank you, Dr. Tour.
I love this...your program is amazing. Thanks Dr.Tour.
Dr Tour, I’m delighted that I found you couple of weeks ago.
Thanks James! This is your best interview so far! It answers some questions I have had about the origin of life for a number of years now.
Add this to your playlists
Greetings from Brazil , Dr James is an brilhante Scientist !
Can ispeak with you
Love this information. The more detail the better on why only a brilliant mind could only create everything we see and know.
Thank you, Dr. Tour for this episode discussing science and faith.
Thank you Dr Tour. We pray for you here Miami.
"Where does the error correction code come from? How does the DNA even know what an 'error' is?"- brilliant questions with solid answers. Thanks. The LORD be with you.
Thank you Dr James! you're doing a great job and really admire your skills and courage to apply in Christian faith.
Excellent material. Thank you for the time and effort for this video!
You are brilliant! God bless!
This is really high quality discussion and as rare as the origin of life on youtube.
Thanks for your break-out listing of cues/questions from the hour+ discussion. There are so many complex ideas covered, and this helps to go back and revisit them
What a superb interview, thank you both gents. God bless
It requires effort to understand this scientific information but it is worth it. Thanks so much for presenting these facts and insights!
Wow! Some of my questions which I held on for years were finally answered. Thanks Dr. Tour and Dr. Miller!
Thank you very much for you time and information.
Yes, we are designed/created, once we realize that truth there will be no going back.
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This will be excellent!
Absolutely brilliant listening to Dr Brian Miller answering the questions
When it comes to God, Christians are timid or afraid to use the intellectual aspects of the Bible to defend the scriptures which is the supremacy of God's word and instructions to our lives.
We should not be afraid of scientific and technological advances. Science, Bible and God do mix together well. It is the worldviews that make the difference.
From the biblical point of view it resonates perfectly with the statements "in the beginning was the Word ... and the Word was God .... All things came to be through Him " ( John 1: 1 - 3 ) .
We live in a information based Universe of which scientists are able to do science, where does all that information comes from ? When you see a word or information you infer a mind so what mind is behind the information fill universe ?
First thing to notice is that human reason and understanding did not create the universe. This point is so obvious that at first it might seem trivial but, but it is in fact, of fundamental importance when we comes to assess the validity of our cognitive facilities. Not only did we not create the universe, but we did not create our own powers of reason either. We can develop our rational faculty by use, but we did not originate them. God as an explanation of our existence is the best inference because of information embedded in the physical world and including ourselves with DNA.
Absolutely love James Tour. Can't wait for this!
thank you both so much. glory to God.
This stuff blows my mind.
"Lab protocols are the information that drive outcomes". Great insight!
Dr. Tour and Dr. Miller this was a great discussion on biological information theory. The reality is we live in a word based reality not in a material one. Craig Venture (synthetic biology) said " it's the software that makes the hardware" and Wheeler coined the phrase "it from bit". We are witnessing a paradigm shift in thinking and you both are adding to it. The Word has spoken a word. God bless you both.
Good comment. Did you mean Craig Venter?
This man is amazing. Don’t let it go to your head, but you’re the best!
Brilliant presentation - fascinating and convincing
Thank U Dr. Tour
Excellent job Dr. Miller. Great analysis and responses to questions.
Awesome, thank you both!
Subtitles. Dr Tour, would you please activate the subtitle function in this video? It's not everyone here an English-speaking viewer. Thank you!
Thank you for all the videos you upload, Keep up the good work
I got mental by these 2 genius Godly men..
To God be the glory for your wisdom..
Another great video
I'm getting closer to understanding this now... This is absolutely fascinating, factually solid information. God is an awesome designer because He has an awesome imagination!
Excellent. Love this Dr Tour!
"I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." -Psalms 139-14
i'm just a simple old country chiropractor, with simple questions and I crave Dr. Tour & this podcast because you guys come the closest to the answers I seek. Thank God for y'all.
This was a fantastic interview, thank you both.
Computer scientists and programmers are very familiar with these systems. I’ve personally created programs that function as described here. It’s fascinating how biology and chemistry or biochemistry match what we already know and do in computer science.
Information always transcends the medium of its storage and conveyance.
Absolutely brilliant! Well done to you both, you are a real blessing and a nice change from the lies told by the "scientific elite"
WOOHOO AWESOME!!!
Excellent program!
28:00 - The Chemist becomes the selector - ID
Brilliant, program. From God. Thank you
Excellent program. Thank you.
I'm not a biologist and do not understand how the complexity of the cell could operate without being designed. The probability argument is sufficient for me to trust in a Designer.
This video will be on my reference list when I try to explain the God truth to skeptics.
Here is another great video, although a bit older:
A great RUclips film showing that scientific evidence more strongly supports Intelligent Design and not evolution is "Unlocking The Mystery of Life" . One of the scientists in the film (second half of the film) discusses how DNA convinced him that his best selling science College textbook ( he co-authored it) on how life evolved from chemicals was completely impossible : ruclips.net/video/tzj8iXiVDT8/видео.html
@@Truthseekersws Very good.
Evolution is a theory that given enough time, it will expose the designer.
The further you dig the more you realize the evidence points to God. Last night at our Bible study we talked about the revival happening in education. I believe the Holy Spirit is moving in our hearts "and our minds". Doctor Tour inspires and challenges me to be more for Christ and the possibilities of what can happen when we "leave nothing on the field". Listened to one of his podcasts with Dr John Sanford and purchased the book genetic entropy, what an amazing book full of scientific insight! God bless you Dr Tour!
@@midlander4 Charlatan - you know this, how? Character assassination does not equate to refutation.
midlander4 You presented nothing to support your accusation.
@@midlander4 You might be taken more seriously if you spelled better than a 2 year old and a grasp of how impossible neo Darwinism is to believe. Your faith in 19th century science seems incredible
@@midlander4 how is he made up?
@@midlander4 would there be? What kind of problems do you mean?
You guys are after my very own heart....
This was one of the best episodes proving the impossibility of abiogenesis, but also biochemical evolution that could lead the first self-assembly of a "simple cell"... There is more evidence that disproves materialists claims, such as self-assembly and function of molecular machines that sustain the living cell: What forces cause those processes? Nobody knows... but quantum mechanics is the suspect... Congrats Dr. Tour and Dr. Miller!
"What forces cause those processes?" Very important question.
@@marsha-madness-super-badness Is that a statement or a question for me?
@@tomashull9805 I was repeating what you said because it stood out to me.
I think it's a very important question, one that a lot of evolutionists avoid with flippancy. You know, the usual "sky god" or "god of the gaps" comments. Instead of them answering the question head on.
@@marsha-madness-super-badness They have no clue
@@patldennis So is the explanation necessary of the origins of " natural processes" beginning with what they really are...
‘It’s not a burden for me’ I love that about you sharing the Good News of Jesus Christ
Great discussion!!
I really enjoy learning from Dr. Tour. Dr. Tour said, "well if that is that easy, why don't you (Origin of Life) do it!" Hahaha!
Excellent - love your brilliant guests!
Great interview 👍! I'm sharing this all over! God bless you guys!
I have listened to this video five times now. These guys are way into this and it is exciting to hear such in depth detail. So, it seems likely that any beginning mutations would be "selected out" or
corrected long before any of the enzymes, amino acids, and proteins could reliably assemble anywhere in the body of a given life form and offer any physical advantage for more capable procreation. In other
words there would be nothing to "select for" that would not have been there already. So, at this point I am not very convinced that random mutation followed by natural selection is how the Earth's bio diversity came to be.
Well done.
But what we have with evolutionary biologists, such as Bret Weinstein, is that when they have discovered that life has optimal design, such as discussed at 39:00, that just increases their amazement at the wonder of evolution. Evolution becomes the God and they worship at its feet.
That’s precisely the problem, and when you refer to the primary literature... it is covered with this type of circular reasoning.... ‘Natural selection must have found a selectable pathway’... even when the evidence shows the contrary. They assume hypotheticals... and by doing that, they make the theory invulnerable... and therefore unfalsifiable. Yet that’s precisely one of the demarcation criterion’s they hold against Design... Well come on guys, there’s two different sets of rules here, one for the home team and one for the away team.
Sigh. They told us not to believe in fairy tales, but they sure have no problem believing that nothing (i.e. no agency, no intelligence) designed everything.
And what is the driving force behind evolution and where did it come from?
James, Jesus has left us all plenty of eyewitnesses. Jesus needs you to provide the science. That witness he did not leave us.
Ok show me one eye witness account of your Jesus, off you go, I'll wait shall I?
Your Jesus is fiction, nothing more. James Tour is a fraud and knows nothing about the historicity of Jesus.
@@davidweeks3981
Obviously any eyewitness would long be dead. But if you want historical evidences:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
Yes it's just Wikipedia. But the sources are annotated.
To claim Jesus is fiction, you would have to refute all of that.
M yup Jesus is fiction, nothing you have tried to show here has proven otherwise, case closed
Nothing eye witness at all and Tour still a fraud, so nothing new.
@@davidweeks3981 And you have brought zero , nothing of substance, to defend any of your accusations. Go ahead. List them all here so you can be cross examined. Show your scholarly and intellectual prowess. If you can't, which is almost certain, please spare yourself further humilation and retreat to your darwinist religion.
No eye witnesses of Evolution either.
Nor any verifiable hard scientific proof. None.
You should examine and realize the pitiful irony of your own demands.
As always most interesting
Do have any video talking about the the science of mRNA vaccine? Do you recommend it? I need more info
@@derhafi 🤷♀️
Hey great video very well done.
Jesus is the ONLY hope and love humanity ever needs. There is none other who is the only way to life after this life. He created everything that has life in it. Oh, He is so amazing and so personal, and so holy and just and merciful, and ...we cannot write it all down.
the they basically appeal to the all powerful, all knowing, life friendly SELECTOR without saying that the attibutes of such a selector has to be like that for OOL. your chemist selector metaphor is perfect dr.tour
59:40 for probability of simplest life to occur spontaneously
Dr. Tour,, Dr. Miller, greetings! I'd like to add that, according to a lecture about coronaviruses, there is a phenomenon that demonstrates that there is information to produce at least one other protein not encoded in the " first layer" genome, and it's a functional protein, and that layer of information is created after a slippage of the mRNA in relation to the ribosomes; that region of the viral mRNA is called pseudo gene, as far as I remember and it works in a similar way as a frameshift mutation but it is as if we skip one or more of the first letters of a book and another entire story is there intertwined with the story that begins with the first letter of the first word... talking about intelligent design! The Bible states that nothing was created without Jesus, He co created all life!
Who could argue against this?
I'm guessing about 99% of evolutionary biologists would
When asked whether "humans have evolved over time," 98% of all AAAS members said yes, and 99% of working PhD scientists and 99% of active research scientists all said yes. [Rainie2015].
That makes 1% who wouldn't
@@ramptonarsecandle its just a guess.
@@ramptonarsecandle I asked who could, not who would.
@@daddada2984 what is?
@@nosegrindv4951 Think you missed the point then. Real science doesn't take ID or creationism seriously as indicated by the survey, if you don't agree then take it up with the AAAS (AMERICAN ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF SCIENCE!!)
Dr James Tour is upsetting atheists all over the internet. lol Jesus is Risen!
@@settledown444 Examples?
@@beckmack1994 google James Tour liar for Jesus, there’s plenty there
Conflating science and religion is never a good idea and Tour should know that.
Trying to wedge Jesus into everything he does is not scientific
David Weeks you’re upset that times are changing. This isn’t the 1950s anymore where science shut out God and closed the door. Every day that goes by science shows the need of a creator more and more. And scientists and people such as yourself hate that, but the door is opened now and dr tour is fighting a closed minded system that’s been unchanging for 70 years! AKA origin of life
@@ashunbound Tell you what, lets say that all of science is wrong and you're right, tell me how you intelligent design works? Where does it start? the first cell? the first animal? the first human? are all things designed or just the first few? did "it" intervene at the first cell, DNA or RNA? So explain to me your "Origin of life", promise I won't laugh, as you said it isn't the 1950's anymore and we don't believe in your utter BS.
@@ashunbound ruclips.net/video/SixyZ7DkSjA/видео.html
i am 60yrs from becoming_ a Christian. Then Science was so difficult to reconcile with faith. Faith still stood firm. In the past few years, research has 'His Handiwork' discovered (growing). Science is like a telescope and microscope peering into the workshop of The Almighty.
Is Mr. James Tour acquainted with the work of St. Seraphim Rouse and what he thinks of him and if not let him do it. Greetings and admiration for the attitude towards what we Orthodox call "the word through which everything that became ... has become ..."
Looking forward to it .☀️
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is coming any second ❤️❤️❤️
I was just watching a report on the discovery of the the 40k sensory nuerites in the heart hosted by Gregg Braden. I thought of your work and hoped you might explore that in your lectures since they seem related to explain science still cannot explain so much about the so very unique human.
Interesting talk. I appreciate the emphasis on the role played by information. Perhaps someone can clear this part up for me: At 9:30 "...to increase what's called their free energy. That's a physical impossibility. It never happens anywhere in the universe......except if it has help. Which I'll get into."
That is unclear wording. What exactly is Dr. Miller claiming here?
All natural processes move from higher free energy to lower free energy, which means they either move toward lower energy or higher entropy or both. The only time a system can move to a higher free energy state is if it is aided by an engine. A freezer can freeze ice on a hot summer day (move to higher free energy) since it has a motor that uses electricity to run a pump that keeps its temperature unnaturally cold.
@@brianmiller5207 Thank you for the reply, Dr. Miller. When you say an engine, do you only mean ones that are literally assembled by someone for the purpose? Surely there are examples where one natural process drives another. Of course you can could think of the coupling between the two processes as a kind of natural engine. Or is this not so?
@@jasonparker6138 Natural processes do drive other natural processes, but the energy sources available on the early earth are not matched to most of the chemical reactions and other processes of life. The most popular proposal for an early "natural engine" is by Nick Lane and his colleagues who argue that proton flow in alkaline thermal vents could drive life-relevant chemical reactions. The challenge is that experimental simulations are only able to generate the tiniest fraction of the required power to even maintain the simplest of cells. Life matches the energy sources available (e.g., light, glucose, sulfur compounds) to biological processes by using fantastically complex molecular machinery such as ATP synthase.
@@brianmiller5207 Yes, I agree with what you say there. Whatever the earliest proto-living systems were, they would have to be much, much "lower-tech" than the simplest living things around now. Sort of like the difference between the automobiles from the late 1800s compared to whatever is the cheapest car you can get now, only vastly greater. Origin of life researchers sometimes fail to make that clear enough, in my opinion.
But in the video and in your first reply it sounded like you were arguing on very general principles that the concentration of energy associated with the emergence of living systems violates the laws of physics...unless it has help (from someone?). That would be the end of the argument right there, because nothing is going to violate the laws of physics. There would be no need to argue the specifics of any particular proposal. Do I have that right, or have I misunderstood?
@@jasonparker6138 The truth is actually the opposite. Cells that have to entirely fend for themselves are much more complex than those that are parasitic. The latter are what are used to estimate the minimal number of genes required for autonomous cells. The complexity can only be reduced to a certain point. If the energy production is less efficient then more copies of engines are required. If enzymes are less efficient, then more energy is required. An analogy for the minimal complexity required for self-replication would be the minimally complex machinery required to colonize Pluto.
Amen. God bless you both.
Meet you on the way up.
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End times prod. Sent me just subbed excited 2 hear more
How is it that some comments are from yesterday ore since longer?
Hi Violeta, this RUclips link was posted a few days ago in preparation for this live feed. God bless you.
Something I've noticed on social media when dissuading origins of life. Very often Abiogenesis is waved about like some sort of magical sword which instantly destroys all ID/Creationist arguments. Abiogenesis...Abiogenesis...Abiogenesis They shout.
Abiogenesis is now my go to to discredit materialism empirically. I love when they go there themselves. My hard anti-evolution/Darwinism arguments are tied up in algorithmic arguments, and there are too few people who can think algorithmically and/or can't/won't confuse themselves into a false solution.
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Thing is in the mid 19th century, when Materialist view really got going, you could have made a good argument for Materialism, based on what was known. As time has gone on and we have learned more and more about the universe, those argument have gotten weaker and weaker. Until today it seems Nonsense is Nonsense, no mater how it is put.
As someone who really wants to know The Truth, there are 5 words I keep in my mind. But..I...Could...Be...Wrong. They (Atheists/Naturalists/Materialists) Could be right..I don't like so. It makes no sense. I wonder if late at night, with no one around they question it also.
@@stevenwiederholt7000 Skepticism starts with one's self. Empiricism requires faith.
@@2strokesimulation68
Listen, I've been called many things, RARELY has it been I'm the brightest bulb on the tree. I just want some simple easy to understand answers to 3 small simple questions.
1. How do you get Something from Nothing?
2. How do you get Life from Non-Life?
3. What happened to the Body? (of Jesus)
So far The Bible gives me the Best Answers. By Best I mean answers that require the Smallest Leap Of Faith.
But..I...Could...Be...Wrong.
@@stevenwiederholt7000 Oh, I was agreeing with you...did you think I was disagreeing with you? I know my replies are a bit superfluous (ever use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice?)
Materialism ends at the beginning of the Universe. It can't go past there. Even posited "nothings" are only "nothings" to the materialist who is always lagging at least a frame behind scientific reality. I work on simulations. If the nothing would require a function and/or state data to represent, it's something.
Is there even such a thing as "Nothing"? If we reduce space to a relativistic potential function between neighbors on a topology, there's no such thing as "empty space", it's merely a visual separation, yet another useful abstraction of reality by the incredible and beautiful firmware God has gifted us with.
I am a Christian only, literally ONLY because first, God called me and second, the evidence for God I could not refute. I am the weakest poorest Christian you could ever meet. Yet Christ still will save me because I hang onto Him like a man hanging onto a life preserver in a storm. The paradox, if that's the right word is that I can only hang on because He gives me the strength and will to hang on.
Absolutely amazing video (as most are ), im really glad to see the thermodynamic impossibilities of OoL as most completely skip these well known laws. I love thermo only second to the biochemistry as a subject so its nice to see this explored in depth.
I wish everyone was required to watch videos like this that blindly believe in their fairy tales of life spontaneously forming; its an utterly obsurd idea.
Here another large problem. Protocol design. To have communication, you need a protocol that both sides of the conversation agree on at all times. If you update the protocol on one side, the other side needs to have the same version to understand it. Protocols are also complex as the receiver essentially needs to process packets the equal-but-opposite of the sender. Extremely complex to implement with the highest accuracy required. However with selection and random mutation, this is exactly opposite of what is needed to properly Version any protocols and have them function. Small errors (or mutations) in the sending or receiving logic will destroy the protocol - not just hinder it. To Version a protocol, you would also need to change the sending logic *and* the receiving logic at the same time, so you would need extremely fine coordinated mutation(s) that somehow just happen somehow. Then you also need coordinated changes to supporting data structures, memory storage, transport mechanics, etc. I mean come on. Are you kidding me naturalists? This is just one simple example. Amazing complexity required at the very beginning of life, not hacked on as an after thought.
I am not christian but they make so much sense
I think listing references to the new fluctuation theorems might be useful to many
And for a long period of time, the "engines" are more complex then simple cell it is trying to bootstrap. So back to the Eigen's Paradox. This single question torpedo's all arguments for natural selection. The engines also need a signaling mechanism, protocols, and control systems before doing anything.
Cutting edge information.
Faith is belief without evidence. “Religion is the daughter of hope and fear explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.” Ambrose Bierce -
Is allowed to take fotos ?
Professor Tour, your love for Ha Meshiach Yeshua is so infectious it makes me love Yeshua more. I Love Thee Ha Meshiach Yeshua, you are my everything.
- Amen.
I would like to know what he thinks about a Whole Food Plant Based lifestyle.
A practicing scientist who is *NOT* ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
There are actually a lot of good scientists who are also good Christians.
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It's really good to know. I used to debate atheists who always asked for any scientist who can believe in the Bible. I didn't have much on my list, but now I have plenty.
Taking into account that the whole science was founded by christians (vast majority religious priests), that the vast majority of scientists who have won a nobel prize were Judeo-christians and that the vast majority currently do consider not only as a conceptual book, but an accurated one, the ones who must be ashamed are those who don´t consider the Gospel.
What is this Gopel of Jesus exactly?
@@tomashull9805
Forgiveness and redemption if we believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
I praise GOD for people like you.
GOD gave you intelligence that expresses the unmatchable intelligence that GOD has... thanks be to GOD
28:00 mind blowing....I never considered that the laboratory procedures are a form of information as well. When you’re talking about the information problem you’re talking DNA codons, amino acid orders, and assembly procedure at least. Poor early earth.