Check out the Store: www.longshotstore.com/ Join the Discord channel: discord.gg/drNE6bT Hey guys! In this DCS World Simulator video I'm in the SU27 Flanker fighting against TG_Trix in the F15EX, I had some idea in mind to try to fight him while he has way more missiles then me. Hope you guys enjoy!
Ill be honest, I wasn't really counting on you making it out of this one bud. But like I have said before, it's foolish to ever underestimate you in a Flanker.
@@SoloRenegade when did they do that?! Edit: Oh, that's just the EX promo number. I doubt they would want to ever put that many on even in testing. They'll just use longer range mussiles most likely, unless the mission specifically calls for that many missiles.
That's a really good fight mate, you managed that one well once again! And I'm glad to see that your tactic worked! The Flanker is in my opinion a very good fighter once you understand how to use it, it can be a bit unconventional some times haha
Isn't the F-15EX in this video shooting too many missiles all at once? What's the point at the beginning of shooting 4 one after the other with the same parameters? Aren't their individual probabilities of kill too highly correlated for the combined probability of kill to be much better?
My thoughts exactly. Two at once makes sense because it doubles probability at those parameters. But four? Without any change in aspect or heading, etc?
@@BeingFireRetardant It doesn't double the probability, even if we assumed for example that each of the missiles had an e.g. 50% completely uncorrelated PK, two missiles would then have a joint 75% PK. But that's if you assume the missiles' PKs are uncorrelated-that the factors that decide whether the first one succeeds or fails in that specific instance don't apply to the second and make it unlikely to have a different outcome. That's an unrealistic assumption! And that's why I bring up the fact that they're being fired at the same parameters-even if he fires two, the PK may well be very similar to just firing one!
Couple things. Firstly, we don't know how accurate the models used for these are when it comes to flight regimes, because most of that information is still classified. So the programmers can't exactly make planes that fly just like the real ones. It's the weapon systems that are all guess work though. The radar for the f-15e is completely classified so there's not going to be any information for the programmers to know exactly how accurate is or how many things it can track while shooting. The same thing goes for the aim 120 and the aim 9x. Both of those weapon systems are classified as to how they perform so DCS isn't really going to be accurate. Last thing, if you actually look at the F-15E that is being bought by the Air Force, they opted to not use conformal fuel tanks which are on the f-15 in the thumbnail and then presumably in the game. They opted not to use these tanks because it greatly impacts the maneuverability speed,(edit spelling) time to climb, etc. of the aircraft. I mean these are fun to watch. Same reason I watch growling sidewinder. And the DCS matches for world war II aircraft and Korean aircraft and some of the Vietnam era aircraft are spot on depictions of what it would be. But this stuff is just entertainment because there's so much classified information that the developers are guessing on that. These might as well just be aircraft that they're creating from nothing. Because the only thing they have in common with the real aircraft are their general shape and the general layout of their cockpit.
When it does come to DCS, it would be interesting to see how a Gripen E does in a bvr fight, using its swashplate to keep the radar lock while defending
Just one massive problem... The Vanilla SU-27 that you get with FC3 is not able to carry R-77 missiles... Which is highly frustrating as the SU-27 is just no match for an F-15 or F-16 in any BVR fight without the R-77.
I realized you never use radar target aspect .. if it is far and hot, you can set radar to HI and use expected target range on 100 or more and elevation. that way you will be able to pick up contact on radar much sooner.
I was looking to see if anyone mentioned it. Would be nnc or something on the flanker to get it in HI. I use it all the time, it really makes a difference.
Big tactical mistake from the 15 driver conning there! Also, soon as he put you cold he should’ve been able to suppress you as soon as you recommitted.
The F15 was suppressing him. But in the 3rd recommits, he falls to the passive radar tactics by Longshot. Thats why the F15 doesn't fire any missiles until the merge.
Niceee mission LS…with f15ex is a flying truck full of missile but with ur tactics manage to dodge all …another awesome mission…thank you LS for our entertainment
A bit of a thrilling combat LS. In 9:09, maybe that it's not only the AMRAAM that goes pitbull to closely impact behind you. Did you apply chaff that time when you were cold and hearing the missile impact behind you? If so, it's possible that BVR missiles can rarely hit deployed chaffs. Anyways, great gaming. Hopefully, this comment reaches out on you.
DANG it, he spotted your long range infrared shots, Lol SO CLOSE ; you had him from the side! I dont understand though how his radar didn't keep track of you with him so high, and the mountain cover kinda sad here.... Guess it's like you said, he had to scan downwards with the radar... Rooting HARD for you to get someone with a sneaky infrared long range shot from behind that they NEVER see coming It's obvious those long range IRs are a little easy to spoof(not sure how they compare with the other infrared missiles)- so it's going to take being super sneaky and not appearing on a foe's radar to get a kill with them- but you're getting CLOSER, i can feel it! ...it's frankly amazing how good you are at disappearing and getting away from enemy radar so they lose track of you
how do u guys use R-77 for SU. I found couple of guides and they all tell to edit pilons load. BUT!!! There is a problem - I cant find proper folder with this file? Can anyone help?
i thought the modernised flanker 27 has upgraded radar hypersonic missiles plus engine upgrade so it can supercruise and weapon load out/v max is higher and theres the electronic countermeasures which are really good
@@gaiofattos2,SU 30 sm, su 27 sm, are more than competitive against the latest f 15 iteration in service, the EX is not in service. The Indians whooped that ass in Nevada. Nice try.
@@asilfan I did say EX ? I have said F-15 if you count the F-15E it would be already a hard stomp, so why count the EX ? F-15 can have been enjoying better BVR and CAS characteristics since 80's while SU-30 with R-77 can't outrange F-16C with aim-120 in Indian-Pakistani borders.
I was wondering does the developer of the Eagle EX modelled the AESA radar? And I also notice that the front intakes don’t really move. Or is it just me?
"The EX was built to engage multiple targets.". No mate the F15EX has not being built at all. It shouldn't be in DCS at all, its an an American wet dream.
That is a strange thing to say. At least eight were delivered in Mid-2020. I don't know exactly how many are built so far. The air force got something like 104 ordered. So in other words, F-15EX has the right to exist in DCS way more than the SU-57 Felon, which doesn't exist to equip even one full squadron in the VVS.
@@teemukustila well unless you have information wiki doesn't it's two delivered and they are flight test models. It's not operational. SU57 could arguably be excluded also. There is 20 and it has now served in two wars, so it's not really comparable. The main issue with adding F22 SU57 ect is that the key performance metrics are all unknown.
@Grey Buckleton In case you didn't know, a lot of fighters in DCS are modeled after best guess. Especially all the missles and their performance. So, rsther pointless, me thinks.
@@teemukustila Yeah that's right. And they can barely model EW at all. Your better off playing the older stuff like the Skyhawk and Harrier ect. If you want realism that is.
Why do you give the f15 16 missiles but you put a su27 instead of a su35 that can carry more. 2022 model plane vs 1980 model plane. Edit: Flanker is superior anyways. Even when comparing older models
Wow, that merge was epic. And the kill soon afterwards was even more epic. Even a beast like the F-15 is no match in a quick close range merge for the even more badass beast that is Su-27 Flanker.
@@benn454 Your point still doesn't make sense. If it comes down to pilot skill then the plane really doesn't matter then does it? If that's the case then even a Mig-25 can kill an F-15 or a Flanker with a skilled enough pilot at the controls, right? 😉😉
@@tsepheletseka5115 You're the one that said "the F-15 is no match in a quick close range merge for the even more badass beast". I'm refuting that, because yeah, a skilled enough pilot can overcome his plane's disadvantages vs a less-skilled pilot. Whether that be in a Flanker, an Eagle, a Foxbat, or whatever plane you want to mention. Growling Sidewinder took out a Raptor with an Aeromacchi, for Christ's sake.
Its all about pilot skill, Sukhoi SU-27 is only a target for F-15, If you reverse the aircrafts the same pilot can destroy Sukhoi SU-27 20 miles away!.
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Hey guys! In this DCS World Simulator video I'm in the SU27 Flanker fighting against TG_Trix in the F15EX, I had some idea in mind to try to fight him while he has way more missiles then me. Hope you guys enjoy!
He had 16 missiles and still you dodged them to the merge. Great defensive situational awareness, LS. It's truly a skill.
Can you make Su57 Vs F35 BVR..... Please we viewers have been wanting this
Ill be honest, I wasn't really counting on you making it out of this one bud. But like I have said before, it's foolish to ever underestimate you in a Flanker.
I would love to see a BVR fight from the perspective of the missiles. Where they end up and how they track targets.
They end up either exploding a jet or crashing into the ground.
@@bojned @patrickrich obviously meant it would be interesting to see the tracking, how they move, etc.
What a finish, really exciting to watch! Flankers are such beautiful planes.
Thank you very much!
0:09 Geez, look at those missiles on that F-15EX. They weren't joking when they said it's a missile truck.
and that is 6 missiles fewer than the USAF has proven possible. they put 22 missiles on an F-15.
@@SoloRenegade when did they do that?!
Edit: Oh, that's just the EX promo number. I doubt they would want to ever put that many on even in testing. They'll just use longer range mussiles most likely, unless the mission specifically calls for that many missiles.
@@Noisy_Crickethere was a photo seen with of the F-15SA or QA flying with like 12-16 A2A Missiles.
I'd like to see it dogfight with that much missiles, or will it just jettison all that money
@@epicboi3213 a missile truck is not for maneuvering, it's for carrying missiles for F-22 and F-35.
I think you should do it with "Su-35" because it has more powerful avionics.
That's a really good fight mate, you managed that one well once again!
And I'm glad to see that your tactic worked! The Flanker is in my opinion a very good fighter once you understand how to use it, it can be a bit unconventional some times haha
Honestly instead of calling the f15ex the eagle 2, why not call it the heavy eagle?
Isn't the F-15EX in this video shooting too many missiles all at once? What's the point at the beginning of shooting 4 one after the other with the same parameters? Aren't their individual probabilities of kill too highly correlated for the combined probability of kill to be much better?
My thoughts exactly. Two at once makes sense because it doubles probability at those parameters. But four? Without any change in aspect or heading, etc?
@@BeingFireRetardant It doesn't double the probability, even if we assumed for example that each of the missiles had an e.g. 50% completely uncorrelated PK, two missiles would then have a joint 75% PK.
But that's if you assume the missiles' PKs are uncorrelated-that the factors that decide whether the first one succeeds or fails in that specific instance don't apply to the second and make it unlikely to have a different outcome. That's an unrealistic assumption! And that's why I bring up the fact that they're being fired at the same parameters-even if he fires two, the PK may well be very similar to just firing one!
@@sacundim
Thanks for the lesson on percentages. I was still agreeing with you. For exactly the same reasons.
0:15 - you wish...unfortunately it is a 27 :)
🤣 oops
@@LongShotChannel And since we are at it, 57 VS 15EX nest?
Not a bad Idea.
@@andreim841Su57 wins every round.
Would be interesting for you to switch jets and see what happens with you in the EX...
Slaughter. That's what happens! lol
8:50 me yelling at the screen to pay attention to the missile rotification while LS is just chatting away 😂
Nice ace, i guess he wanted to get rid of that xtra drag at first.
You wish, you were in a SU-57 😃
Yeah, I wish 🤣
Couple things. Firstly, we don't know how accurate the models used for these are when it comes to flight regimes, because most of that information is still classified. So the programmers can't exactly make planes that fly just like the real ones. It's the weapon systems that are all guess work though. The radar for the f-15e is completely classified so there's not going to be any information for the programmers to know exactly how accurate is or how many things it can track while shooting. The same thing goes for the aim 120 and the aim 9x. Both of those weapon systems are classified as to how they perform so DCS isn't really going to be accurate. Last thing, if you actually look at the F-15E that is being bought by the Air Force, they opted to not use conformal fuel tanks which are on the f-15 in the thumbnail and then presumably in the game. They opted not to use these tanks because it greatly impacts the maneuverability speed,(edit spelling) time to climb, etc. of the aircraft. I mean these are fun to watch. Same reason I watch growling sidewinder. And the DCS matches for world war II aircraft and Korean aircraft and some of the Vietnam era aircraft are spot on depictions of what it would be. But this stuff is just entertainment because there's so much classified information that the developers are guessing on that. These might as well just be aircraft that they're creating from nothing. Because the only thing they have in common with the real aircraft are their general shape and the general layout of their cockpit.
@@michaelfrench3396🤓
Exactly!
SU-57 Flanker?
I also thought, did I hear that correctly? 😂😂
LOL🤣 I didn't noticed that... oops
It must have zero maneuverability with all those missile racks. And the EX is already a silo compared to the "not a pound air-to-ground" F-15C.
2:05 He already launched 4 and still has 12 missiles left‽
Noice.
+@skyserf I think the thing has 18 hard points, I am not sure how many of them can carry missiles.
Edit: It can actually carry 22 missiles!
@@guestimator121 Yeah it carries 22 missiles in racks.
When it does come to DCS, it would be interesting to see how a Gripen E does in a bvr fight, using its swashplate to keep the radar lock while defending
That f-15ex is just pure freedom 🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸
Just one massive problem... The Vanilla SU-27 that you get with FC3 is not able to carry R-77 missiles... Which is highly frustrating as the SU-27 is just no match for an F-15 or F-16 in any BVR fight without the R-77.
I realized you never use radar target aspect .. if it is far and hot, you can set radar to HI and use expected target range on 100 or more and elevation.
that way you will be able to pick up contact on radar much sooner.
I was looking to see if anyone mentioned it. Would be nnc or something on the flanker to get it in HI. I use it all the time, it really makes a difference.
Big tactical mistake from the 15 driver conning there! Also, soon as he put you cold he should’ve been able to suppress you as soon as you recommitted.
The F15 was suppressing him. But in the 3rd recommits, he falls to the passive radar tactics by Longshot. Thats why the F15 doesn't fire any missiles until the merge.
Do mor su-27 bvr videos where you try to get a long range fox 2 off
You said for the 1st time! So my question is, how many times did it take for you to win this round?
Thats someone who knows how to use a flanker
W H A T A F I G H T!!!! BEST ONE SO FAR!!!
Niceee mission LS…with f15ex is a flying truck full of missile but with ur tactics manage to dodge all …another awesome mission…thank you LS for our entertainment
which jet would you choose for real fight?
A bit of a thrilling combat LS. In 9:09, maybe that it's not only the AMRAAM that goes pitbull to closely impact behind you. Did you apply chaff that time when you were cold and hearing the missile impact behind you? If so, it's possible that BVR missiles can rarely hit deployed chaffs. Anyways, great gaming. Hopefully, this comment reaches out on you.
0:16 "Today in the SU 57 Flanker".
Say what?
LOL🤣
It is all about the pilot
I wish we could see the missile view sometimes when you avoid them.
So F-15EX is basically a real life Ace Combat plane
This was nail biting. A perfect display of cat and mouse tactics. Great video!
Great fight Longshot! You are one dangerous man!
DANG it, he spotted your long range infrared shots, Lol
SO CLOSE ; you had him from the side!
I dont understand though how his radar didn't keep track of you with him so high, and the mountain cover kinda sad here....
Guess it's like you said, he had to scan downwards with the radar...
Rooting HARD for you to get someone with a sneaky infrared long range shot from behind that they NEVER see coming
It's obvious those long range IRs are a little easy to spoof(not sure how they compare with the other infrared missiles)- so it's going to take being super sneaky and not appearing on a foe's radar to get a kill with them- but you're getting CLOSER, i can feel it!
...it's frankly amazing how good you are at disappearing and getting away from enemy radar so they lose track of you
Figure This ! A comined movement of 4 F-15EX and 4 Saab Gripen-E !? What could they do !?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH not even 2 minutes and the F-15 is serving up all the FREEDOM ... lol the triple launch !
You said that you were in the "SU-57 Flanker" but the video tittle shows "SU-27 against F-15EX"..What it is going on here?!
Damn what are your graphics settings? This looks amazing
1974 technolgy still around. That's a good jet
F15 forgot to switch from burst to semi and launched 3 missiles instead of one )
The F-15EX is just firing missile like they are bullets😄
Ah, the Sneaky Russian tactic worked! Nice!
Hey long shot can you do su33 vs f16 and you seat In su33 ?????
0:15 ah yes the all time classic SU-57 flanker
In these engagements who is flying the other plane? Is it AI???
Is there any chance of getting you to fly the SU-34?
Gotta admit, I’m starting to root for the other plane.
It looks a bit ridiculous. The amount of missiles this thing carries. Like, c'mon, that's not fair))
how do u guys use R-77 for SU. I found couple of guides and they all tell to edit pilons load. BUT!!! There is a problem - I cant find proper folder with this file? Can anyone help?
Use the j11
i thought the modernised flanker 27 has upgraded radar hypersonic missiles plus engine upgrade so it can supercruise and weapon load out/v max is higher and theres the electronic countermeasures which are really good
The SU-35 may have but between the SU-27, only Chinese ones are competitive against F-15.
@@gaiofattos2,SU 30 sm, su 27 sm, are more than competitive against the latest f 15 iteration in service, the EX is not in service. The Indians whooped that ass in Nevada. Nice try.
Russia propaganda bud they use 90s GPS in their planes and T54s on the battlefield now! It's pretty pathetic
@@asilfan cope harder sunflower
@@asilfan I did say EX ? I have said F-15 if you count the F-15E it would be already a hard stomp, so why count the EX ?
F-15 can have been enjoying better BVR and CAS characteristics since 80's while SU-30 with R-77 can't outrange F-16C with aim-120 in Indian-Pakistani borders.
F-15EX “Superbird”
You're getting so comfortable with English you're beginning to lose your accent... 😢😊
Am I?
Fox 3 n Long Range Fox 2, right after
Why doesn't he have datalink?
Excelente video! love de flankers!
R-37 is a poor missile it seems. Always misses.
I WANTED to see that tactic !👌
In fox2 fight, the SU27 is unbeatable!!!
Everything is beatable on earth!.
is the su27 really so good
So the EX can carry 14 amraams?? How many can the F15E carry?
no the Ex can carry 22 FREAKING MISSILES.
LS inside flanker = beast
That was a good one man!
great idea to defeat the superior radar on the F-15.
How to add R-77-1 for Su-27?
Su 27 instant like
how close was that 9:00
TRIPLE TAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We need to see more f15ex content
I was wondering does the developer of the Eagle EX modelled the AESA radar? And I also notice that the front intakes don’t really move. Or is it just me?
👍🏼🤟🏼🔥🔥🔥🤟🏼👍🏼
That F-15 was shooting missiles like someone was making them in the back.
It looked like 12 missiles on that thing?
Great Stuff.
Were you on the Syrian map?
Would love to see you repeat this with the Mig 29
LS: One missile
15EX: MAG DUMPPP!!!
2:50 does anyone know what she says here?
Pull Up
Solid
GG!
"The EX was built to engage multiple targets.". No mate the F15EX has not being built at all. It shouldn't be in DCS at all, its an an American wet dream.
That is a strange thing to say. At least eight were delivered in Mid-2020. I don't know exactly how many are built so far. The air force got something like 104 ordered. So in other words, F-15EX has the right to exist in DCS way more than the SU-57 Felon, which doesn't exist to equip even one full squadron in the VVS.
@@teemukustila well unless you have information wiki doesn't it's two delivered and they are flight test models. It's not operational. SU57 could arguably be excluded also. There is 20 and it has now served in two wars, so it's not really comparable. The main issue with adding F22 SU57 ect is that the key performance metrics are all unknown.
@Grey Buckleton In case you didn't know, a lot of fighters in DCS are modeled after best guess. Especially all the missles and their performance.
So, rsther pointless, me thinks.
@@teemukustila Yeah that's right. And they can barely model EW at all. Your better off playing the older stuff like the Skyhawk and Harrier ect. If you want realism that is.
shame the F15 didn't carry any sidewinders
He did. 2 AIM9X
@@LongShotChannel oh, fair enough
Why do you give the f15 16 missiles but you put a su27 instead of a su35 that can carry more. 2022 model plane vs 1980 model plane.
Edit: Flanker is superior anyways. Even when comparing older models
Flanker isn't superior in any category, its just a pilot skills. If you switch the aircrafts the same pilot can destroy flanker 10 miles away.
Great fight!
And which map was it?
Sinai
@@LongShotChannel Thx
Spectacular and exciting fight!
Very good job in that fight LS!
Long range IR kill next time
Dude 16 aimramms is wild
Wow, that merge was epic. And the kill soon afterwards was even more epic. Even a beast like the F-15 is no match in a quick close range merge for the even more badass beast that is Su-27 Flanker.
An Eagle can easily kill a Flanker. It came down more to pilot skill.
@@benn454 Your point still doesn't make sense. If it comes down to pilot skill then the plane really doesn't matter then does it? If that's the case then even a Mig-25 can kill an F-15 or a Flanker with a skilled enough pilot at the controls, right? 😉😉
@@tsepheletseka5115 You're the one that said "the F-15 is no match in a quick close range merge for the even more badass beast". I'm refuting that, because yeah, a skilled enough pilot can overcome his plane's disadvantages vs a less-skilled pilot. Whether that be in a Flanker, an Eagle, a Foxbat, or whatever plane you want to mention. Growling Sidewinder took out a Raptor with an Aeromacchi, for Christ's sake.
@@benn454 Woah, calm down bro, I wasn't fighting. Geez, people are so sensitive these days 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Its all about pilot skill, Sukhoi SU-27 is only a target for F-15, If you reverse the aircrafts the same pilot can destroy Sukhoi SU-27 20 miles away!.
Awesome.
Sweet kill 😎
How did you get fox 3 on the su 27?
From the SU30 mod
You can edit the LUA of the plane
how did getr 77?
beacuse i dont know how to put them to my flanker
@@Karaya__ you have to edit the files, but it's kinda tricky since ED doesn't really want ppl to do that
Just use j11
Good thing ruzzia pilots fly like they fight irl! 😂 🌻 🌻 🌻
That was some proper pilot shit mate, well done
@gregorybolton551 😢😢😂😂😂