Panini gives and update on the Downtown mess, are you buying it?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Panini gives a rare update but I'm not sure it makes sense. Does this update make sense to you? What do you think happened?
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When card manufactures make mistakes they cover it up like politicians. Take zero responsibility and continue to screw customers.
@@Yo_hio_sportscards Backyard is getting backyarded all these loaded cases along with other big breakers.
The shadiness continues, who needs CT scanners when all the big hits are already predetermined on who they go to ??
Panini is just like Big Pharma or Big Tech or whatever huge corporate entity lobbyists lining the pockets of corrupt politicians(in this case the Big Breakers) who push their narratives and create laws, tax breaks, and regulations to benefit them.
The real problem is the numbered downtown parallels that were pulled. Those are the highest value cards due to rarity and so now they are going to be missing entirely or really really rare in regular hobby. I have seen regular DTs in hobby so far but have yet to see a numbered one.
So this why they never came out with a downtown checklist lmao
Yep, and PSA even called out shenanigans...well for a minute. 😮😂
Printing into oblivion before they lose the license is a smart businesses strategy
Hopefully it impacts fanatics as well since they overpaid for licensing
I’m shocked they said anything. But I don’t believe them. And I do believe they pumped the hell out of the printer.
I’m no math surgeon , but 30 downtowns in a case says to me they are juicing breakers boxes to promote the product like they always have and they accidentally put a little to many in this time because the new factory didn’t know how much to juiced them without looking obvious. And if you bought a hobby box your odds massively dropped if you were trying to pull a downtown. And we just had the basketball sparkle packs where breakers were pulling 10-20 wimby’s. But also my not be malice, but incompetence and this new facility doesn’t no how or have the capability to evenly distribute hits through out the product. But this seems to alway fall on the side of the breakers and if I pull a downtown in my house it doesn’t go viral.
Still goes to someone who bought into the break, not like the breaker keeps the hits, but definitely see your point they go more viral on the internet, creating more hype. Makes sense
These are not the droids you’re looking for
It doesn’t sound like they shorted stuff. It sounds more like the latter and they over produced downtowns to feed to breakers and people get pumped on the product and they sell more. My guess is sales are probably down just like the entire market and it’s a way bring people back in
This seems like the simplest statement ever. They said they printed more than usual and put the extras in FOTL
Basically anyone who bought off the first batch got screwed unless they got the loaded case
I get why this would be cause to question but in the grand scheme of things I think it is much to do about nothing. Ultimately I haven’t heard a number that suggests scarcity is overly affected if there were extra printed and if there is some cases missing then well that is unfortunately part of the gamble. That is why they say on ‘average’ for what to expect per pack box and case. This may seem like I am giving panini a pass and I suppose I am but I totally agree with any sentiment that panini needs to get their QA in check regardless of my feelings on this specific situation.
So when are we going to see loose boxes of FOTL Optic being sold as "From a Hot Case" for double the money? I would say don't buy a loose box of FOTL hoping you get it from a hot case, no dealer is going to open a case and not open one box to make sure it is not a hot case. Also, I wonder if we will see some sort of range of case or box numbers that will identify the Downtown Hot cases.
Let me start by saying I very much dislike Panini, but their statement is factually true. Like any good PR team for a company there is a ton of spin here. They of course like most companies did not provide actual numbers or impact, instead they just acknowledged the issue. They also didn't state which other products within Optic Football were or were not impacted, which I am sure was intentional. So people can make assumptions, which is their right, but Panini (at least in this statement) didn't say they printed more or excluded them from other products. Everyone is focused on the downtowns which certainly is the real issue here, but those cards are not exclusive to the FOTL boxes. The only FOTL cards are the 1 FOTL-Exclusive Purple Stars Autograph #'d/50 or less, 1 FOTL-Exclusive Purple Stars Parallel #'d/15, and1 FOTL-Exclusive Purple Stars Insert #'d/25 per box! So were those all included ...no one has reported getting shorted any of those, so their statement is accurate. They also acknowledged an issue with the collation, but that doesn't change the reality of what has transpired. Everyone who bought FOTL Optic has every right to be upset about how ~300 downtowns including some of the 1/1 and numbered downtowns that made it into the FOTL product at such a high rate. Those are the chase cards and having been pulled already is going to make the product suffer significantly since there is naturally just less to chase or the odds increased for hitting Downtowns overall. My problem with collectors is they act like Panini cant just decide to print more or less of anything they feel like. They have sole discretion over what is or is not printed. They want to include a downtown in every pack, they can do it. People treat these cards like currency, but if things happen and they feel they need to, then they just print more. Panini will 'right their wrong' by likely just printing more so that no one can say they 'did not' get something, but rather other people just got extra. Do you think they care about the 'value' of a Downtown? They could care less, they know that degenerate people will still buy the products they put out year after year. The only way to impact change is to demonstrate the power of the consumer by not supporting the company who constantly does some of the things this wretched company does.
I say who cares...we are complaining when there aren't enough hits/value in a case or we're complaining when they put too many hits in a case.
I agree with you, HOWEVER in this case we’re specifically talking about FOTL boxes which are unattainable to 90+% of people and that generally go to Panini’s top accounts. If this was simply retail cases I’d 💯 agree with you
@@gemmintmasters that's true. I was initially thinking the overall product in general. I'm with you on this one.
Agree with both of you lol
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Obviously those cases were meant for backyard breaks and Layton. Someone’s getting fired.
So impressed they spent 72 hours auditing to then get their news release out well after the morning drop of Optic Hobby on the same day.
You are correct and the dummy! Both can be true 😛
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either this is on purpose to juice breaks or it's a mistake and they won't admit that there are no downtowns in any boxes left lol.
Panini knows what they are doing… if some of these are the same ones that can be found in retail I’m sure there’s some retail missing downtowns… there’s been many times in the past where influencers open cases and are missing case or box hits. The only way the light might get shine on these situations is if CC2, Packman, RGL, etc does their retail breaks/ case reviews and all strike out… it’s just funny how all the first hobby boxes magically has a shit ton of hits but they never mess up on retail.
They better Cat scan all the boxes to make sufe they've got downtowns for the rest of the cases.
I kinda wish it was still an issue and it was an issue on all platforms. I know it would decrease the value, but I love the DT cards and I don’t think I’ll be able to afford one otherwise lol.
You notice how all they say is Only a small # of cases were affected.. IE PLEASE STILL BUY OUR PRODUCT. THERE ARE NO HITS MISSING!!! Hahaha yeah sure 👍🏻
Thanks for the video, sir.
Panini doesnt print pack odds, so there can be 0 downtowns in retail or hobby and the pack out is still "fine".
Saw one box ripped from fresh case. Black Pandora international gronkowski downtown first pack. I was hopping it was one of those hot cases hahahahaha
Influencers and content creators get paid for eyeballs, reads and downloads from their links.
They will always claim x,y & z to get headlines & readers.
Unless something legally is allowed to happen if they are caught I have no doubt they’re lying and doing whatever they want knowing it’s coming to an end for them they’re in their we on the way out and we’re gonna take as much of the hobby with us as we can phase
2023 Blazers becomes more rare than Downtowns?? 😮🤮🤔
Buy a case of FOTL Optic then use a CT scanner to see if you get a loaded case or not (sarcasm). 2 controversial topics in one sentence... you're welcome.
got 50 in my case
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55 out of two cases.
Meh. Who cares about Panini and Downtown inserts?
I guess the people care who are lining up to pay $850 or so for a box. Breakers might care, too. People who drop four figures on shiny cards may take an interest. Oh yeah, and the repack sellers probably pay attention to this stuff. So, the people who approach sports cards as a form of gambling are all abuzz.
Do any collectors really care, though?
Before anyone lights me up in the comments, ask yourself this question:
If you opened a box and pulled a rare insert of a player you collect, are you thinking about where to store/display it...or are you rushing to check how much it's worth?
Oopsies. All those extras were supposed to be boxed up and sent back to the home office, you sillies! Those get backdoored and dumped slowly (can't have normies figuring it out!). Lame duck company and people expect them to have any semblance of ethics with unnumbered "case hits". They know they're printing money.
300ish cases for hobby will get screwed so don't buy regular hobby.1st off the line going for $1800
I quit Panini in 2014. Why were all of you still with them?
They found the issue but it was only 24 cases? U believe that come on its a collation issue get over it
I don’t think you understood..
Yes it’s an issue for other cases.
Get over it?? OK undercover breaker or panini manager