Sprinters were the main trains provided all year round, these loco hauled ones were run in the summer as extra's to cater for the extra tourist traffic. It's more than likely you rode on them at some point.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus It would have provided excellent vistas when at the back of the train. The class 124 driving cars would have made excellent observation cars with the wrap around windows.
Luck of the draw i suppose, if i remember correctly 431 was the first 37/4 to go. I remember working it on an LUL A Stock move from Old Oak to Banbury one Sunday night, we didn't get many 4's where i was.
37431 spent a while at wigan springs branch next to the WCML, with the middle bit cut out, and the two cabs joined by the frames. It was the period when EWS were cutting out the middles of locomotives to prevent other people using/buying them.
Thank you! Years ago friends of my fathers used to go to Poland to chase steam locos that were still running in service, that was back in the 1970s/early 80s. No video then so they used cine film, not as good but still captured all that was happening.
I believe this was the last year of loco hauled trains on ordinary service trains in Scotland apart from the seating car on the Fort Bill sleepers. It was a good few years before the Fife Circle loco hauled started, the only other loco hauled around Scotland were charters.
I thought sets were hired in during the summer period because I'm sure I watched a video from 1995 and there were still loco hauled trains running then.
I don't remember any loco hauled workings in 1995, if there had of been i would have gone and chased them! The coaches seen were still BR stock used in Scotland for seasonal trains but around this time privitisation took hold and that's what probably finished the services off.
These 2 trains were not a railtour, they were service trains! The were summer only dated trains ran because of the extra passengers that went to Scotland during the summer. The doors on a lot of the earlier MkII's had the centre ones sealed up for reason known to BR management!
the center doors on some early mk2,s were locked shut and the outside handle taken off, may have been a way of cutting down on maintenance or a safety issue.
Both of those possibilites could well be right on the money! Less doors to check for the traincrew and 2 doors less for looking after. There was a period when people kept falling out of doors when the train was moving so the less doors to fall out of was a bonus. Engineers for example would like it if NO passengers went anywhere near their stock, no chance of it ever getting damaged then......and they wern't too keen on drivers & guards either.....preferably keep it all safe and sound in the maintainence shed! But's that's the CME for you!!!
The middle of the coaches still had the door space there as i recall. On some railtour coaches i have seen tables/shelf put across the gap as the partitions were left in place.
Cracking footage of how things were.
Really nice. I lived in Kyle from mid 1989 until late 1992 so I would have travelled on these trains regularly. If only I was old enough to remember 😔
Sprinters were the main trains provided all year round, these loco hauled ones were run in the summer as extra's to cater for the extra tourist traffic. It's more than likely you rode on them at some point.....
Nice to see the class 101 observation car. I have only seen pictures or models of it.
You had to pay a supplement to ride in it, i'm not sure if you got free tea & coffee or such like though......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus It would have provided excellent vistas when at the back of the train. The class 124 driving cars would have made excellent observation cars with the wrap around windows.
I didn't see it in this particular video. I don't know whether it was still in use in 1994.
Amazing video, so long ago?
Yes, i can't believe it was almost 30 years ago either!....
Wired when you think you went out and back on 2 Canton 4's and now all the Welsh 4's are razor blades, sad at least one isn't still around
Luck of the draw i suppose, if i remember correctly 431 was the first 37/4 to go. I remember working it on an LUL A Stock move from Old Oak to Banbury one Sunday night, we didn't get many 4's where i was.
431 was left overnight at Garelochhead and due to maintenance issues froze and cracked the casing.
37431 spent a while at wigan springs branch next to the WCML, with the middle bit cut out, and the two cabs joined by the frames. It was the period when EWS were cutting out the middles of locomotives to prevent other people using/buying them.
Nice , was there a buffet on these trains?
earlier trains during 1970's and 1980's had a buffet, BR/SCOTRAIL binned them to cut costs.
The carriage at 5:50 is a brake carriage with a buffet counter. Whether the buffet counter is in use, I wouldn't know.
Super channel - sub goes to you-greetings from Poland 🙂
Thank you! Years ago friends of my fathers used to go to Poland to chase steam locos that were still running in service, that was back in the 1970s/early 80s. No video then so they used cine film, not as good but still captured all that was happening.
So when did loco hauled service on this line end?
I believe this was the last year of loco hauled trains on ordinary service trains in Scotland apart from the seating car on the Fort Bill sleepers. It was a good few years before the Fife Circle loco hauled started, the only other loco hauled around Scotland were charters.
I thought sets were hired in during the summer period because I'm sure I watched a video from 1995 and there were still loco hauled trains running then.
I don't remember any loco hauled workings in 1995, if there had of been i would have gone and chased them! The coaches seen were still BR stock used in Scotland for seasonal trains but around this time privitisation took hold and that's what probably finished the services off.
Strange that that tour operator seemed to have got away at sealing them centre doors shut..they might as well have been left alone for emergency use.
These 2 trains were not a railtour, they were service trains! The were summer only dated trains ran because of the extra passengers that went to Scotland during the summer. The doors on a lot of the earlier MkII's had the centre ones sealed up for reason known to BR management!
the center doors on some early mk2,s were locked shut and the outside handle taken off, may have been a way of cutting down on maintenance or a safety issue.
They mustn't have re-purposed all those freed up spaces into - say - parkades for baby strollers or even luggage racks, huh?
Both of those possibilites could well be right on the money! Less doors to check for the traincrew and 2 doors less for looking after. There was a period when people kept falling out of doors when the train was moving so the less doors to fall out of was a bonus. Engineers for example would like it if NO passengers went anywhere near their stock, no chance of it ever getting damaged then......and they wern't too keen on drivers & guards either.....preferably keep it all safe and sound in the maintainence shed! But's that's the CME for you!!!
The middle of the coaches still had the door space there as i recall. On some railtour coaches i have seen tables/shelf put across the gap as the partitions were left in place.