What are your thoughts on this awesome presentation by Dr. Lackner? He brought up some great and often thought provoking points that in many cases challenge how we see the Middle Ages. Check out the links above for more information on Dr. Lackner and his writings and of course for some of the sources that her references in our talk. To support The Study of Antiquity and the Middle Ages check out the links below! Make history matter by becoming a Patron on Patreon: www.patreon.com/The_Study_of_Antiquity_and_the_Middle_Ages History Merch: spqr-emporium.com?aff=3 Disclaimer, the link above is an affiliate link which means we will earn a small commission from your generous purchases!
Wonderful as always Nick, thank you for making such illuminating people and product available to us. Continued success and Happy New Year to you and your family.
Thanks for commenting, I hope you enjoy the presentation and feel free to comment your thoughts on it in its entirety! Dr. Lackner did so well and as always left me wanting to learn more, haha!
That part about (probably) Christian illuminators making little silly mistakes while illustrating the Hebrew manuscripts is probably my favorite part of the video. I was kinda expecting the Statute of Kalisz issued in 1264 by the Duke of Greater Poland Bolesław the Pious (later ratified by Casimir the Great for the whole reunified Polish Kingdom) to be mentioned. Nevertheless, it was a very interesting introduction to the subject.
This was fascinating stuff and makes it a little clearer how Jews survived late antiquity and the early Middle Ages. Perhaps I could have done with a bit more about why Jews moved from the Mediterranean to northern France and western Germany, rather than moving to the flourishing communities in Spain under contemporaneous Islamic rule. To the best of my knowledge, the distinction between Sephardic and Ashkenazic rituals had not yet emerged and the numbers settled in this part of Europe were apparently miniscule. Maybe that will come up on another occasion. Although rabbinic _responsa_ were mentioned as sources of Jewish Law but I am intrigued by the early transmission of the Babylonian Talmud into Europe. After all, it was not completed until the 6th century......and it is a very hefty set of tomes. Moreover, although it's mentioned that Jews knew Hebrew the Talmud is written in Babylonian Aramaic. My suspicion is that they would have had access to the Mishnah (completed in Eretz Yisrael) in 200CE, and there might have been early versions of the Gemara circulating before it was actually completed. Did scholars travel to Mesopotamia for the purpose of learning and transmitting knowledge in the West? One might as well add Jewish education as a whole so that the religion in isolated parts did not become a folk religion cut off from academic works undertaken elsewhere. In other words, how was it done before the work of Rashi in the late 11th century, in France, and the SHUM academies.
The Twelfth Council of Toledo was initiated on 9 January 681 by the new King Erwig. One of its first actions was to release the population from the laws of Wamba and recognise Erwig, anathematising all who opposed him. It was attended by thirty eight bishops, four abbots, and five palatine officials. The council recognised the right of the metropolitan archbishop of Toledo to consecrate all bishops appointed by the king, even if they were outside his own province. Thus was born the primacy of the Toledan diocese over all Spain. The council implemented diverse measures against the hebrews, enacting against them twenty-eight laws. The bishops ordered the reading in all the churches of the canons against the nose tribe and conserved all acts of abjuration and conversion of the nose people, prohibiting conversos from returning to the chosen peoples faith. The canons were first read in the church of Santa María in Toledo on 27 January. Otherwise, the persecution of the nose tribe was isolated to confiscation of goods. The council, at the request of Erwig, revised the Forum Iudicum of Reccesuinth to right perceived injustices and contradictions. The revised law came into effect on 21 October. Laws against violence to slaves were suppressed. The general trend of all modifications and new legislation was in favour of the nobles and their privileges. In religious matters, the bishops dealt with penance, death, excommunication, the number of sees, the election of bishops, the mass, and clerical discipline. The nomination of bishops by the kings was forbidden (despite tacit recognition of it in fact). The date of provincial synods was fixed on 1 November every year. The previous date had been in May, since the Fourth Council. The provinces were ordered to hold at least one synod per annum. The church of Galicia was sanctioned in its treatment of slaves (see Tenth Council of Toledo) and the extant paganism of the province condemned. The short council terminated on 25 January. Book reference: The Plot Against The Church by Maurice Pinay.
I wonder about interfaith marriages at the time, how that would be handled, if that was even done, be it between a jew, and christian, or jew and muslim Or despite how friendly and close these groups were socially was religon (for everyone) at the time a sort of hard line when it comes to marriage? As we see from this women are clearly great friends with eachother interfaith, if thats even the right word... Intercultural? Though they're really the same culturally just different in faith, obviously its not black and white, and for every aspect of life there are shades of gray where these two peoples interacted But if a marriage even happened whod usually dobthe officiating? A jewish or christian minister/rabbi? Or would both be used, as I dont know if at the time one could get married at a court house since I think marriage was a more holy/religous thing in medieval Europe, but knowing that these two peoples were close, surely love must have blossomed Id wonder what happened in those cases Sorry this is long and run on, im on mobile and can be long winded but hopefully you see my base question, as this video covers everything but that, unless I missed something in the sources or whatnot Btw I love the channel and all the videos, this one just really piqued my curiosity as to the question of love and marriage, esp as nowadays jews are considered more an ethnic identity than religous or maybe a mix of the two, but marriage outside judiasm isnt uncommon, I really am curious as to back then, or over history Actually maybe a video idea? I know Id be fascinated by it, as the most beloved of topics in history to me are the things that bring people together, rather than seperates them apart
Marriage on the basis of love is a very modern thing in Europe. Jane Austen wrote a great deal about it, as did Shakespeare. In the Middle Ages marriages were generally arranged by family and driven by economic and social reasons. What I do not know about is the impact of extra-marital relationships. There were certainly lots of children born out of wedlock in royal and noble families. I've no idea if it filtered down to lower levels of society.....but one suspects so. In Biblical texts Judaism was patrilineal, but I understand Judaism had become matrilineal by the time of the First Jewish revolt in Palestine, and later codified in the Mishnah. My guess is that young women were pretty powerless against occupying Roman troops and there may have been many cases at that time when there was no father around. The fate of Mary, Joseph and Jesus suggests people might not have been as censorious as came to be the case later on.
What are your thoughts on this awesome presentation by Dr. Lackner? He brought up some great and often thought provoking points that in many cases challenge how we see the Middle Ages. Check out the links above for more information on Dr. Lackner and his writings and of course for some of the sources that her references in our talk. To support The Study of Antiquity and the Middle Ages check out the links below!
Make history matter by becoming a Patron on Patreon: www.patreon.com/The_Study_of_Antiquity_and_the_Middle_Ages
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Hey you .. been a min hows life ?
How are you sir! Been longer than a minute! Currently recovering with the family from the flu but we are still pushing on, how are you?
Thank you for that presentation. I wish many millions of people could be exposed to this, and absorb it in a thoughtful way.
Wonderful as always Nick, thank you for making such illuminating people and product available to us. Continued success and Happy New Year to you and your family.
Awesome video and a fascinating topic!
Thank you very much!
Excellent presentation from you guys.Very straight and to the point.
Good introductory description.
We do forget the good stuff, to paraphrase an old adage: maybe sometimes the angels are in the details.
Thanks for commenting, I hope you enjoy the presentation and feel free to comment your thoughts on it in its entirety! Dr. Lackner did so well and as always left me wanting to learn more, haha!
Really good talk. Liked a hearing a mention of Maimonides, one of the truly great minds of the medieval world, he never gets enough credit.
That part about (probably) Christian illuminators making little silly mistakes while illustrating the Hebrew manuscripts is probably my favorite part of the video. I was kinda expecting the Statute of Kalisz issued in 1264 by the Duke of Greater Poland Bolesław the Pious (later ratified by Casimir the Great for the whole reunified Polish Kingdom) to be mentioned. Nevertheless, it was a very interesting introduction to the subject.
Artur M. I thought that aspect of the lecture was interesting as well. Knowing my luck I would have been on of those artists who messed up, haha!
This was fascinating stuff and makes it a little clearer how Jews survived late antiquity and the early Middle Ages.
Perhaps I could have done with a bit more about why Jews moved from the Mediterranean to northern France and western Germany, rather than moving to the flourishing communities in Spain under contemporaneous Islamic rule. To the best of my knowledge, the distinction between Sephardic and Ashkenazic rituals had not yet emerged and the numbers settled in this part of Europe were apparently miniscule. Maybe that will come up on another occasion.
Although rabbinic _responsa_ were mentioned as sources of Jewish Law but I am intrigued by the early transmission of the Babylonian Talmud into Europe. After all, it was not completed until the 6th century......and it is a very hefty set of tomes. Moreover, although it's mentioned that Jews knew Hebrew the Talmud is written in Babylonian Aramaic.
My suspicion is that they would have had access to the Mishnah (completed in Eretz Yisrael) in 200CE, and there might have been early versions of the Gemara circulating before it was actually completed. Did scholars travel to Mesopotamia for the purpose of learning and transmitting knowledge in the West?
One might as well add Jewish education as a whole so that the religion in isolated parts did not become a folk religion cut off from academic works undertaken elsewhere. In other words, how was it done before the work of Rashi in the late 11th century, in France, and the SHUM academies.
Awesome, great video, thanks!
Really good video . A happy new y'all .
Hmm, where are the antisemitic comments for this video? Thanks for a very good video.
The Twelfth Council of Toledo was initiated on 9 January 681 by the new King Erwig. One of its first actions was to release the population from the laws of Wamba and recognise Erwig, anathematising all who opposed him. It was attended by thirty eight bishops, four abbots, and five palatine officials.
The council recognised the right of the metropolitan archbishop of Toledo to consecrate all bishops appointed by the king, even if they were outside his own province. Thus was born the primacy of the Toledan diocese over all Spain.
The council implemented diverse measures against the hebrews, enacting against them twenty-eight laws. The bishops ordered the reading in all the churches of the canons against the nose tribe and conserved all acts of abjuration and conversion of the nose people, prohibiting conversos from returning to the chosen peoples faith. The canons were first read in the church of Santa María in Toledo on 27 January. Otherwise, the persecution of the nose tribe was isolated to confiscation of goods.
The council, at the request of Erwig, revised the Forum Iudicum of Reccesuinth to right perceived injustices and contradictions. The revised law came into effect on 21 October. Laws against violence to slaves were suppressed. The general trend of all modifications and new legislation was in favour of the nobles and their privileges.
In religious matters, the bishops dealt with penance, death, excommunication, the number of sees, the election of bishops, the mass, and clerical discipline. The nomination of bishops by the kings was forbidden (despite tacit recognition of it in fact). The date of provincial synods was fixed on 1 November every year. The previous date had been in May, since the Fourth Council. The provinces were ordered to hold at least one synod per annum. The church of Galicia was sanctioned in its treatment of slaves (see Tenth Council of Toledo) and the extant paganism of the province condemned.
The short council terminated on 25 January.
Book reference:
The Plot Against The Church by Maurice Pinay.
Thanks a lot for very sophisticated, but also "human" presentation of the topic...
Awesome video.
Some likeness not too much meekness
I was wondering about Esau keeping kosher. Didn't kashrut begin with mt. sinai(Esau coming before Moses)? please explain
I wonder about interfaith marriages at the time, how that would be handled, if that was even done, be it between a jew, and christian, or jew and muslim
Or despite how friendly and close these groups were socially was religon (for everyone) at the time a sort of hard line when it comes to marriage? As we see from this women are clearly great friends with eachother interfaith, if thats even the right word... Intercultural? Though they're really the same culturally just different in faith, obviously its not black and white, and for every aspect of life there are shades of gray where these two peoples interacted
But if a marriage even happened whod usually dobthe officiating? A jewish or christian minister/rabbi? Or would both be used, as I dont know if at the time one could get married at a court house since I think marriage was a more holy/religous thing in medieval Europe, but knowing that these two peoples were close, surely love must have blossomed
Id wonder what happened in those cases
Sorry this is long and run on, im on mobile and can be long winded but hopefully you see my base question, as this video covers everything but that, unless I missed something in the sources or whatnot
Btw I love the channel and all the videos, this one just really piqued my curiosity as to the question of love and marriage, esp as nowadays jews are considered more an ethnic identity than religous or maybe a mix of the two, but marriage outside judiasm isnt uncommon, I really am curious as to back then, or over history
Actually maybe a video idea? I know Id be fascinated by it, as the most beloved of topics in history to me are the things that bring people together, rather than seperates them apart
Marriage on the basis of love is a very modern thing in Europe. Jane Austen wrote a great deal about it, as did Shakespeare. In the Middle Ages marriages were generally arranged by family and driven by economic and social reasons.
What I do not know about is the impact of extra-marital relationships. There were certainly lots of children born out of wedlock in royal and noble families. I've no idea if it filtered down to lower levels of society.....but one suspects so.
In Biblical texts Judaism was patrilineal, but I understand Judaism had become matrilineal by the time of the First Jewish revolt in Palestine, and later codified in the Mishnah. My guess is that young women were pretty powerless against occupying Roman troops and there may have been many cases at that time when there was no father around.
The fate of Mary, Joseph and Jesus suggests people might not have been as censorious as came to be the case later on.
Christian communion = Drink my blood and eat my body!! Wtf!!
Jewish Christian in Europe came middle east from Ishmael