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What I love about these videos is that everything one needs to know is included in the narration. My late father who was blind would get as much information from this as I do. Excellent.
Thank you for another beautifully told story. I find your conclusions in this case not only plausible but compelling. However, I would go further. I would suggest that Mrs Storrs' "orphaned niece" that they adopted so soon after their marriage was actually Mrs Storrs' daughter, born out of wedlock. It's likely Mrs Storrs knew of her husband's proclivities and willingly entered into a marriage of convenience that would afford them both the cover of respectability and further reward Mr Storrs with Gorse Hall and Mrs Storrs the opportunity to openly raise her own daughter. I would think that on the night of Mr Storrs' murder, Mrs Storrs was not cowering upstairs in fear while he lay dying, but was doing what she knew her husband wanted: destroying all incriminating eveidence, and that the reason he was calling for her in his last minutes was to ensure she did just that.
I live in Dukinfield and Gorse Hall park is right on the Stalybridge-Duki border. I walk through there quite often as it is a nature park/trail now, quite pleasant it is too, despite the grisly story. The foundations of the Hall are still visible, as are the ruins of the stables where the butler hanged himself. It is a bit creepy when the wind blows and the skies are dark and there is no one else around. Also, Beatrix Potter visited the Hall often as she was a niece of the owner. It is believed she was inspired by the woodland animals in the Gorse Hall estate to write her stories.
Maybe the coachman committed suicide not just because he was upset at the death of his lover, but also because he was convinced that their relationship would inevitably become public knowledge? In those days this would have meant a prison sentence and the total destruction of his marriage, his livelihood and his life in a provincial community - his ruination? Thanks for the upload, another great doc of vintage crime.
Thanks Ted - yes, I think you are right. His wife said he was upset and "very worried" especially when he saw the police close by. He must have been terrified he was about to be arrested. And the police were constantly coming and going with new questions, to make new searches etc - he must have been living in a state of terror.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Thank you for illuminating this dark and painful closet from the past. Personal relativity holds History's highest significance! Again, thank you!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder It seems you embroider your tales so well that we are all going on a detective spin - with some thoughtful, intriguing conclusions. You are doing something right!
Dear Mark, I just wanted to say what a delight it has been to stumble upon your channel. The eloquence with which you narrate them, and the solid reasoning behind your conclusions remind me of the sort of programmes they would have had on BBC2 in better days. Your deductions about this case are particularly perspicacious and I have no doubt you are correct. One of the other cases you have presented keeps buzzing at the back of my head, and I have an alternative theory, but will wait until I've watched all your other videos before I make a comment on it. Thank you for giving me hours of pleasure.
Marvellously well told. Heard this story many years ago but never the theory that he was being blackmailed and why. Thanks so much for posting these tales
Absolutely riveting. This is the fourth of your brilliant documentaries I have heard. The quality of the research and production is peerless and deserves to be broadcast on the B.BC or similar channel and more widely appreciated. I can't wait to immerse myself in the next fascinating story. Thank you for excellent channel.
Thank you very much, Christopher - I am truly delighted you are enjoying them. It has made the enterprise of doing them worthwhile to know that they are valued by thoughtful people.
This is now my favorite RUclips channel! I'm sure these take a lot of time and effort. Can't wait for more. I've already gone through almost all 35. ❤️
I don't believe Mrs. Storrs stayed upstairs after ringing the bell. She was clearly a brave, feisty and resourceful woman - she got the shillelagh and was fearsome enough to make Wilde give up the revolver. I believe after she'd rung the bell she ran back downstairs to the kitchen. As she approached she would have heard the conversation that was going on between Wilde and her husband. Shocked and horrified at its revelations, she went back upstairs and didn't come down even when her husband was dying and calling for her.
If true, and this may just be my 21st century perspective, but that seems a bit harsh even for the standards of the time. They were still married, and I'm sure they liked and respected each other even if it wasn't romantic in any way. He was a dying man, this was beyond any social conventions. I would have carried that regret forever if I heard my dying loved one calling for me and didn't go to their side.
@@TheXmeimei Yes that's entirely probable actually. I think I got carried away with the drama of Mrs. Storrs coming down the stairs and overhearing shock/horror the unwelcome revelations - I had a little video running in my head for the screenplay for this!! But like you say, Xiaomin, she probably knew all along... :)
I agree that she likely knew he was gay. I think they cut a deal when they agreed to get married - he needed a wife and she needed the means to adopt and raise her young relative. She might have been upstairs getting rid of anything incriminating.
You are quite the renaissance man. After perusing your art on line I just realized you are the artist for all the illustrations. I love the image of the flaneur. Keep up the good work I love your productions.
Michael Burgess Great comment ! I agree with you. I have a feeling that the music that accompanies these videos is also from the gifted hands of Mr. Maguire... in one video we saw him sitting in front of a piano.
@@christinahall2587 Yes! I have been wondering if he composed and/or plays the musical accompaniment for the intros, for the same reason of his appearing seated at the piano in some videos.
I have been to the mansion. It was demolished in 1910 and now there is only some bricks and a memorial for George Storrs. It's in the middle of a forest. Very relaxing area but knowing the history it makes it very creepy.
Omg! Proper documentary, no need to reduce the boredom my playing nonstop music in the background! Thank you so, so, much!! You have respect for the victims and all involved and rare in these programs nowadays. ❤😊
Hear! Hear!, You are correct and right in your post. It is precisely how a documentary should be delivered without any interruption from background sounds. There is a parallel channel here in Ireland but with annoying interval musical interruptions; really it would drive one bonkers. Thid gentleman is a natural storyteller, charming and articulate, a pleasure to listen to.
@@johnphelan8300 omg, I've found another one of "me"!! Maybe you're my long lost relatives?🙂 Humour aside, this what they do to us with the constant background music is really stupid!! They folllow others like sheep, and try never even stop for a second. Where does the music suppose to be coming from? If I ever make a documentary, I'll play the sound of barking dogs in the background, to attract people's attention to the abnormally of it all. So, for me it will na back to reading books when I'm so tired from hard work that need my body to rest. Back to the old way of life. I'm thinking about changing my phone, so I can message and receive messages, and then, my remaining life will seems longer. I've never sent " a selfie" ( what a horrid word) as my friends know what I look like 🤗👍 Thank you for your message again. 🥀
@@E-KatSuggest you listen to 'Irish Coffee True Crime' for an interesting take on sordid events on this side of the Irish sea which demonstrates the madness and barbarity of human beings. The story teller here is good, presenting meticulously researched cases but Harry Maguire is difficult to beat in this genre.😊
@@johnphelan8300 thank you very much for your very kind suggestion. I'll keep me company during sleepless nights. Let's hope this normal style of presenting a documentary gains more popularity. Thanks again. 👍
I, like so many of your viewers, really enjoy these historic stories. Extremely interesting, well narrated (you have the perfect voice for narration), details documented and period photographs. Thank you for the incredible research and time you must put into these documentaries.
Ive fallen in love with your channel...so calming and interesting. A perfect bedtime story. I end up having the weirdest dreams. Keep up the good work and keep them coming.
Yours is so far the best explanation of the murder I've ever come across. It's such a weird case! Thank you for the wonderful content! Really well-researched and wonderfully told! I've been binging your channel and having a lot of fun because I love digging into strange cases, particularly vintage crime and yours is the only channel that does old crimes justice.
How very kind of you to say so! Thank you! I am (obviously) fascinated by these old crimes myself - if I had the time to do it, I'd love to write a series of books on my favourite ones and GH Storrs is definitely amongst those. One day!
Thank you, John - it can be the hardest part to discover what becomes of them, sometimes. I have a book that I finished over a year ago, on a murder which took place in 1929 and am unable to publish it because I have not (yet) discovered where they ended their lives! It can be extremely frustrating!
All of your videos are the PERFECT length!! I’m totally obsessed and fascinated! Thank you for the hard work that goes into these and thank you for sharing. Wishing you all the best from New York, USA!
I do so enjoy your postings. I’ve never been one to enjoy narrations. But, with you it is different. Your voice brings these true stories to life. You obviously have researched each story very well with the pictures and sketches. I’m hooked! Thank you for helping me while living in solitary confinement. I see no end to this uninvited demon, COVID-19. Stay safe, my friend.
Thank you, Mary - yes, trying times for us. It is indeed dismaying to see Covid-19 lingering, resurgent even... I too am something of a hermit these days! Take care!
Such a poignant story but one in which so many people suffered but retained their dignity, unlike would occur today. As usual, very well and sensitively narrated.
Fascinating case, well researched and narrated by the excellent Mr. Maguire! Excellent detective work, as well. The only mystery left unsolved is HOW Mr. Wilde knew of Storrs' relationship with Worrell. This was a well-guarded secret and yet he knew -- either he stumbled upon them in the wood in flagrante delicto, or he had some prior connection to Storrs or Worrell himself...
Thank you very much - I did try to find out more about Wilde. He doesn't seem to have married, so it is a possibility that he had some involvement himself. I can't go further than that, I think!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Quite right! My sixth sense suggests he had knowledge only an insider could possess. Another case beautifully broken down in your customary superlative fashion. Thank you!
This is absolutely the best presented thought provoking channel please keep these cases coming and yes you deserve many many more prescribers thank you
This concluding explanation is spot on as far as I'm concerned. As soon as it was said he married an older woman and adopted the niece, my immediate thought was, gay man/marriage of convenience. Then, when the servant committed suicide, it stood as confirmation. I am also wondering, as an added twist, if Wilde had been involved with Storrs at some point, in a one-off circumstance or brief affair, from which Wilde expected more. Wilde was also a bit old not to be married. Somehow this has the feel of a scorned lover scenario to me, and he could certainly have blackmailed him on that score. Whereas, he would had to have seen Storrs and the servant in a compromising situation in order to blackmail him on that front. And even then, it would have been his word against theirs. But as a scorned lover, he could have threatened to tell the authorities he had been indecently assaulted, if Storrs didn't either pay up or come back to him. Wilde's erratic, nut-case/alcoholic behavior could have been down to the tension of hiding his proclivities. This armchair detective got triggered again! Another stellar presentation and excellent analysis, thank you! ~Danyel
Thank you, Danyel - I agree with you on all points. Everything I came across in my research about Storrs, suggested he was homosexual. I also suspected that Wilde had some kind of involvement with him - but I could find nothing to substantiate this beyond the merest suspicion.
Your voice is perfect. You give the facts, and you do so in an analytical and logical fashion. Glad I found your stuff. Plus ever case I've listened to, I had never heard of, so that is also a bonus. Keep up the outstanding work.
I enjoyed yet another of your seriously researched and narrated presentations. Even my parrot stops, quiets, and listens intently to your clever voice. I'm nearly caught up and am hoping you might work in the completion of more of these fab documentaries in between your skillful painting. It's so relaxing and fascinating to be jettisoned to an altogether different era.
I love your stories and I “use” them to learn English. You have a calm and pleasant voice and you are a brilliant story teller. By the way I love your paintings as well. The calm is my absolute favorite, I love the colours and I would love to sit there by the table. Mária from Hungary
Thank you very much indeed, Maria - that is a nice thing to read! I am also delighted you like my paintings - The Calm is one of my paintings I am most satisfied with also! :)
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Almost 50 years and 3000 miles ago I lived within walking distance of the Gorse Hall property, but just learned the full story of it now - thanks to your brilliant retelling!
Very interesting! I had viewed the Julian Fellows account of this murder in 'A most mysterious murder' and I must say, convincing as that was, you bring a different but equally interesting aspect to this crime. Well Done.
Thank you! I am delighted you have liked it - I like very much the way Julian Fellowes develops Jon Goodman's theory concerning Maria's brother, but obviously I have a different theory! There is so much more to say on this case and so much that is hidden from view that we can never know for sure...
Mark, I'm gradually getting through all your essays. Your common sense approach to solving these various mysterious issues is fantastic and again, I agree with your summary. Excellent work 👏👍
Fascinating case. A very thorough analysis. I didn't expect the final outcome. We usually forget that that "problem" also existed in Victorian times. Extremely sad that a life was completely ruined and the culprit got away with murder and blackmailing.
Thank you for all of your efforts on these wonderful historical documentaries- I am a fan and subbed! I hope your channel shows up in other true crime fans' recommended list like mine so you get more followers. I will certainly recommend you to others.
Our societal attitudes, not so very long ago, were appalling, regarding who should love whom. I fear the Christian religion played a large part in that. Eg. Christ hung out with 12 other fellows. What are the chances that among that group of 13...? It is accepted that several of those followers had walked away from wives and children. Is it not just as possible there may have been a gay man among them? My point is that they are all considered to be saints, regardless of aspects of their lives which seem un-saintly...to some...
Hello from Canada (near Toronto). What a marvellous channel! Are you, in addition to being a talented writer and artist also a barrister? Your mind works in such an incisive manner and your eloquence I need not elaborate on. Are you a John Banville alias Benjamin Black fan? I Ask because the "gumshoe", the sort of Robert Mitchum character you use as an opener reminds me of the characters the latter played and of Black's detective. Looking forward to purchasing at least one of your books. Namaste. (thanks for getting me through a rather nasty hospital stay too)
This was a very interesting case. And the way you summed it up at the end. I also think that Storres and the coachman had an affair. Because it was strange that he was that close to his master and then commited suicide if there was nothing secret about their relationship. These were difficult times for homosecuals which again is very sad. He must have had a sad life having to stay "in the closet". Thanks for another great case. Greetings from Norway 🤗
You have sorted the very odd details of this case quite clearly and logically, I think. I agree with your assessment of the truth of what happened, and why it did. I'm glad to have found your offerings.
Many thanks Woody - I would like to do them more often, but it takes a great deal of time to sort through every stage in the production, starting with the research - to the point of abandonment at completion, with far too many reservations!
That was brilliant, thank you! I love how you wrap things up by going point by point to offer up some critical thinking on the matter. The conclusion you came to brought a flash thought of, "Of course! That's GOT to be it. It's so obvious." Thinking about the wife and the social mores of the time, she was probably grateful to have achieved married status and was very willing to do so at the expense of a non-existent sexual life with her husband. So of COURSE she'd be privy to information and be inclined to keep quiet about it to protect both their reputations. Well done, Master Storyteller, well done.
You know it also makes sense why he didn't want a phone. If he had a phone Wilde could have called and got his wife instead and told her why he was calling.
Thank you - yes, I found it odd that by 1909 a wealthy man like Storrs had not had a phone installed. And yet was willing to go to the expense and trouble of installing a large bell!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Remember Andrew Borden? Many wealthy people who can well afford basic conveniences are eccentric and penurious. In Mr. Borden's case, he did not have indoor plumbing installed, and Lizzie et al had to resort to using an outhouse.
@@gailjarvis2592 yes but in Storr's case he WAS willing to spend money, a great deal of it in fact, having a massive bell installed. It's weird that he would spend money on that but not on a phone line.
Totally fascinating and impressive presentation. You manage to not only describe in comprehensive detail the facts of the case but also illuminate the inner lives of those involved. In these matters so much we will never be able to know anything with certainty. What went through my mind is how Wilde would have been in a position to be able to blackmail . Had he been involved with Storrs? Or may be he had witnessed some event occurring between Storrs and the Coachman, perhaps observing from a distance.
To a second-language speaker of English it is refreshing to hear 'aunt' pronounced in English. I watch many American crime series and always giggle slightly when a character refers to 'the girl's (or anyone else's) ant'. Makes me think of Solomon's ant: the very industrious one.
Only just discovered your channel and I think it's really excellent - very thorough and intelligent, not at all lurid in your descriptions of these crimes. I hadn't heard of the Storrs case and I think your theory re blackmail is far more plausible than that put forward by Goodman.
Fascinating case! The bell system was an early burglar alarm - I wonder if this was common back then? Maybe he was too miserly to install a telephone - I imagine it was expensive back in 1909. Interesting theory about the coachman Worrall - it certainly seems very odd that he committed suicide so soon after the murder. I also find it odd that Mrs. Storrs gave her husband the shillelagh instead of the gun - taking the gun upstairs with her. Lots of strange things about this case! Really enjoyed this and loved the illustrations. :)
Thanks Mel - yes, very strange circumstances all round. So much more than I have been able to fit in this account - both events on the 10thSept and 1st Nov are quite bizarre and so many questions remain: why did his wife not hand him the revolver? Why did Marion Lindley claim she did not go to her uncle's assistance "because he was so much bigger than the intruder" and yet also claim that she saw he had his hand on a knife in his belt? And how was he managing to wrestle with Mr Storrs with one hand on his knife haft?! I'm not sure installing a bell as a burglar alarm can have been common - this was probably unique. What purpose had it? If a burglar was in the house, then the nearest habitation was about 1 mile from Gorse Hall. A shotgun would probably be a better alarm!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I wondered where Marion Lindley was while this was happening - the maid and cook had gone to fetch help, Mrs Storrs had gone upstairs, where was Marion when George was being stabbed? Presumably not actually witnessing the stabbing, because she wasn't there when the "posse" arrived???
@@MelanieMaguire The cook and maid had both gone to fetch the coachman, Marion had apparently observed the struggle from the end of the hall and then went out down the drive to seek help from the Central liberal Club opposite the main gates. She met the men from the liberal Club going down the drive, as I understand it - although there are differing versions here. Goodman claims that she actually arrived at the Liberal Club and the steward told her it was "men only" and "rules are rules" in a comic little scene, but I think this is wrong. The men in the Liberal club heard the bell tolling and went to investigate - meeting Miss Lindley on the drive. She then turned and followed them back to the Hall.
Very good again, Mark. I hope you won't mind me making a small point. Oscar Wilde got two years hard labour, not five. This was the maximum sentence available at the time and was imposed for very special circumstances. Firstly, he had perjured himself in both cases, initially in his libel case in the hope of jailing the Marquis of Queensbury - who had actually told the truth about Wilde. And secondly, in his own prosecution, when it emerged that he had corrupted young men, one as young as 16. Many thanks.
Not at all, Paul - it is a pleasure to be corrected in such a courteous way! Thank you for putting this straight - I admit I relied purely on memory when this point occurred to me as I wrote the script. My memory is clearly not what it was - perhaps 2 years used to seem like 5 when I was younger! Many thanks.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder You are welcome. Of course, it doesn't contradict your main thesis, which is almost certainly correct. However, it may have a tangential bearing on similar cases. I haven't had an opportunity to research this yet but I am led to believe that the 'persecution' of homosexuality under British law up to 1967 was not quite as draconian as has been suggested and that not that many cases were prosecuted. Those that were, were either prostitutes or involved in other crimes. It was always a difficult crime to prove. I shall look into it further.
That's true - many cases were dismissed or resulted in a small fine. Many famous actors - John Gielgud, for instance - were let off very lightly. As attitudes grew more tolerant, society, police and the courts seemed to be ahead of the law.
@@Carcod1 Alan's case happened a good while after Oscar Wilde. The British government was cracking down on any form of degeneracy or opposition they could find, so when they found out that an important inventor for the military was gay well they certainly wanted to punish him for his 'deceit' and punish him as they would with any gay man at the time.
What a superbly told (and illustrated) exposition of the facts and convincing analysis. Your solution accounts for some of the puzzles in the case. Thank you.
Thank you very much, Laura - I hadn't heard of it, but I have just read a summary and it sounds fascinating and I shall certainly include this in the future! Many thanks for letting me know of it!
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What I love about these videos is that everything one needs to know is included in the narration. My late father who was blind would get as much information from this as I do. Excellent.
Agree, I can listen to these while doing something else and not miss any details crucial to understanding the cases.
I know the content of these stories is macabre but I really enjoy crocheting while listening/watching. It's such a treat. 💙❤️🙂
Thank you for another beautifully told story. I find your conclusions in this case not only plausible but compelling. However, I would go further. I would suggest that Mrs Storrs' "orphaned niece" that they adopted so soon after their marriage was actually Mrs Storrs' daughter, born out of wedlock. It's likely Mrs Storrs knew of her husband's proclivities and willingly entered into a marriage of convenience that would afford them both the cover of respectability and further reward Mr Storrs with Gorse Hall and Mrs Storrs the opportunity to openly raise her own daughter. I would think that on the night of Mr Storrs' murder, Mrs Storrs was not cowering upstairs in fear while he lay dying, but was doing what she knew her husband wanted: destroying all incriminating eveidence, and that the reason he was calling for her in his last minutes was to ensure she did just that.
This is exactly what I was thinking! They were each other's covers!
I live in Dukinfield and Gorse Hall park is right on the Stalybridge-Duki border. I walk through there quite often as it is a nature park/trail now, quite pleasant it is too, despite the grisly story. The foundations of the Hall are still visible, as are the ruins of the stables where the butler hanged himself. It is a bit creepy when the wind blows and the skies are dark and there is no one else around. Also, Beatrix Potter visited the Hall often as she was a niece of the owner. It is believed she was inspired by the woodland animals in the Gorse Hall estate to write her stories.
Lucky you! I hope you'll never see any ghosts, like I did. 😮
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Maybe the coachman committed suicide not just because he was upset at the death of his lover, but also because he was convinced that their relationship would inevitably become public knowledge? In those days this would have meant a prison sentence and the total destruction of his marriage, his livelihood and his life in a provincial community - his ruination? Thanks for the upload, another great doc of vintage crime.
Thanks Ted - yes, I think you are right. His wife said he was upset and "very worried" especially when he saw the police close by. He must have been terrified he was about to be arrested. And the police were constantly coming and going with new questions, to make new searches etc - he must have been living in a state of terror.
Well Said!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Thank you for illuminating this dark and painful closet from the past. Personal relativity holds History's highest significance!
Again, thank you!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder It seems you embroider your tales so well that we are all going on a detective spin - with some thoughtful, intriguing conclusions. You are doing something right!
Very glad I discovered your channel. It has some of the best documentary story-telling I've ever seen. Thank you and congratulations!
Thank you very much, Sean - that's high praise indeed and I'm most grateful to you for it!
I so agree. I appreciate the intellectual aspect the others do not quite reach.
@ΑγαΡy Thanks for the tip. Will check it out.
Agree, I love this channel
Just discovered this channel while searching for stuff on Lord Lucan. Have binged watched since. Amazing narration. Thank you so much 🙏🌟👌
Dear Mark, I just wanted to say what a delight it has been to stumble upon your channel. The eloquence with which you narrate them, and the solid reasoning behind your conclusions remind me of the sort of programmes they would have had on BBC2 in better days. Your deductions about this case are particularly perspicacious and I have no doubt you are correct. One of the other cases you have presented keeps buzzing at the back of my head, and I have an alternative theory, but will wait until I've watched all your other videos before I make a comment on it. Thank you for giving me hours of pleasure.
Thank you very much RJ - it is always delightful to hear such thoughtful praise!
Like Edgar Lustgarten .
Marvellously well told. Heard this story many years ago but never the theory that he was being blackmailed and why. Thanks so much for posting these tales
Thank you, Esther
REMEMBER HIS BELL. HE WAS SCARED. HIS PAST?
Absolutely riveting. This is the fourth of your brilliant documentaries I have heard. The quality of the research and production is peerless and deserves to be broadcast on the B.BC or similar channel and more widely appreciated. I can't wait to immerse myself in the next fascinating story. Thank you for excellent channel.
Thank you very much, Christopher - I am truly delighted you are enjoying them. It has made the enterprise of doing them worthwhile to know that they are valued by thoughtful people.
This is now my favorite RUclips channel! I'm sure these take a lot of time and effort. Can't wait for more. I've already gone through almost all 35. ❤️
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You put so much detail in your stories. You cover every angle & provide so much to think over. I don’t know how you don’t have more subscribers
Thank you very much - I am delighted you liked them. I am glad of 137 subscribers, to be honest!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I agree, you are really terrific, and I love your voice -- it's so calming...:)
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder so that jumped to 7K I expect this will grow fast!
Totally agree with Junipur S. 👍👌🌟
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I don't believe Mrs. Storrs stayed upstairs after ringing the bell. She was clearly a brave, feisty and resourceful woman - she got the shillelagh and was fearsome enough to make Wilde give up the revolver. I believe after she'd rung the bell she ran back downstairs to the kitchen. As she approached she would have heard the conversation that was going on between Wilde and her husband. Shocked and horrified at its revelations, she went back upstairs and didn't come down even when her husband was dying and calling for her.
If true, and this may just be my 21st century perspective, but that seems a bit harsh even for the standards of the time. They were still married, and I'm sure they liked and respected each other even if it wasn't romantic in any way. He was a dying man, this was beyond any social conventions. I would have carried that regret forever if I heard my dying loved one calling for me and didn't go to their side.
@@TheXmeimei You could be right, Xiaomin! :)
@@TheXmeimei Yes that's entirely probable actually. I think I got carried away with the drama of Mrs. Storrs coming down the stairs and overhearing shock/horror the unwelcome revelations - I had a little video running in my head for the screenplay for this!! But like you say, Xiaomin, she probably knew all along... :)
I agree that she likely knew he was gay. I think they cut a deal when they agreed to get married - he needed a wife and she needed the means to adopt and raise her young relative. She might have been upstairs getting rid of anything incriminating.
@@carmab5009 Good Point, 'the family name' was all then.
Good wishes.
You are quite the renaissance man. After perusing your art on line I just realized you are the artist for all the illustrations. I love the image of the flaneur. Keep up the good work I love your productions.
Thank you, Michael - the truth is I just enjoy the different aspects of these projects! Some more than others!
Michael Burgess Great comment ! I agree with you. I have a feeling that the music that accompanies these videos is also from the gifted hands of Mr. Maguire... in one video we saw him sitting in front of a piano.
@@christinahall2587 Yes! I have been wondering if he composed and/or plays the musical accompaniment for the intros, for the same reason of his appearing seated at the piano in some videos.
I have been to the mansion. It was demolished in 1910 and now there is only some bricks and a memorial for George Storrs. It's in the middle of a forest. Very relaxing area but knowing the history it makes it very creepy.
Omg! Proper documentary, no need to reduce the boredom my playing nonstop music in the background!
Thank you so, so, much!!
You have respect for the victims and all involved and rare in these programs nowadays. ❤😊
Hear! Hear!, You are correct and right in your post. It is precisely how a documentary should be delivered without any interruption from background sounds. There is a parallel channel here in Ireland but with annoying interval musical interruptions; really it would drive one bonkers. Thid gentleman is a natural storyteller, charming and articulate, a pleasure to listen to.
@@johnphelan8300 omg, I've found another one of "me"!! Maybe you're my long lost relatives?🙂
Humour aside, this what they do to us with the constant background music is really stupid!! They folllow others like sheep, and try never even stop for a second. Where does the music suppose to be coming from?
If I ever make a documentary, I'll play the sound of barking dogs in the background, to attract people's attention to the abnormally of it all.
So, for me it will na back to reading books when I'm so tired from hard work that need my body to rest.
Back to the old way of life.
I'm thinking about changing my phone, so I can message and receive messages, and then, my remaining life will seems longer.
I've never sent " a selfie" ( what a horrid word) as my friends know what I look like 🤗👍
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@@E-KatSuggest you listen to 'Irish Coffee True Crime' for an interesting take on sordid events on this side of the Irish sea which demonstrates the madness and barbarity of human beings. The story teller here is good, presenting meticulously researched cases but Harry Maguire is difficult to beat in this genre.😊
@@johnphelan8300 thank you very much for your very kind suggestion. I'll keep me company during sleepless nights.
Let's hope this normal style of presenting a documentary gains more popularity.
Thanks again. 👍
I, like so many of your viewers, really enjoy these historic stories. Extremely interesting, well narrated (you have the perfect voice for narration), details documented and period photographs. Thank you for the incredible research and time you must put into these documentaries.
Ive fallen in love with your channel...so calming and interesting. A perfect bedtime story. I end up having the weirdest dreams. Keep up the good work and keep them coming.
Yours is so far the best explanation of the murder I've ever come across. It's such a weird case!
Thank you for the wonderful content! Really well-researched and wonderfully told! I've been binging your channel and having a lot of fun because I love digging into strange cases, particularly vintage crime and yours is the only channel that does old crimes justice.
How very kind of you to say so! Thank you! I am (obviously) fascinated by these old crimes myself - if I had the time to do it, I'd love to write a series of books on my favourite ones and GH Storrs is definitely amongst those. One day!
This channel and your narration is perfect. It's criminal that you don't have more subscribers but I can't imagine it will stay that way.
You're very kind - and thanks!
A very wonderful station and podcast. One of the most intelligent, thoughtful and articulate podcasts I have come across.
This channel has a podcast
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Yes...the historical photos and content are quite interesting. I don't believe I would access them easily anywhere else. Thank you.
What I love about your stories is that you tell how their lives turn out at the end. ..
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Thank you, John - it can be the hardest part to discover what becomes of them, sometimes. I have a book that I finished over a year ago, on a murder which took place in 1929 and am unable to publish it because I have not (yet) discovered where they ended their lives! It can be extremely frustrating!
All of your videos are the PERFECT length!! I’m totally obsessed and fascinated! Thank you for the hard work that goes into these and thank you for sharing. Wishing you all the best from New York, USA!
Many thanks, Caitlyn - I am glad you like them, and grateful for your kind comment! I wish you very well from the UK!
I'm so very glad that your channel was recommended to me I love true crimes that time has forgotten. You have given me some new stories to look into.
The quality output is no doubt reflective of the passion the creator has for the subject. Remarkable content.
You are kind to say so - thank you, Michael.
Wow! It makes so much sense the way you lay out the theories. Your research is impeccable! I'm truly in awe!!!!!
I'm so glad thanks, Tyrone!
I do so enjoy your postings. I’ve never been one to enjoy narrations. But, with you it is different. Your voice brings these true stories to life. You obviously have researched each story very well with the pictures and sketches. I’m hooked! Thank you for helping me while living in solitary confinement. I see no end to this uninvited demon, COVID-19. Stay safe, my friend.
Thank you, Mary - yes, trying times for us. It is indeed dismaying to see Covid-19 lingering, resurgent even... I too am something of a hermit these days! Take care!
Your research and presentation are exceptional. You have the perfect voice for storytelling , and the cases are tremendously interesting!
Not only is your narration wonderful, your narrative is too. You write in the style of the times in which the crimes took place. Well done!
Many thanks!
Such a poignant story but one in which so many people suffered but retained their dignity, unlike would occur today. As usual, very well and sensitively narrated.
Fascinating case, well researched and narrated by the excellent Mr. Maguire! Excellent detective work, as well. The only mystery left unsolved is HOW Mr. Wilde knew of Storrs' relationship with Worrell. This was a well-guarded secret and yet he knew -- either he stumbled upon them in the wood in flagrante delicto, or he had some prior connection to Storrs or Worrell himself...
Thank you very much - I did try to find out more about Wilde. He doesn't seem to have married, so it is a possibility that he had some involvement himself. I can't go further than that, I think!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Quite right! My sixth sense suggests he had knowledge only an insider could possess. Another case beautifully broken down in your customary superlative fashion. Thank you!
This is absolutely the best presented thought provoking channel please keep these cases coming and yes you deserve many many more prescribers thank you
Thank you very much, Julie - I am delighted you have thought them worthwhile!
Julie Mayes: exactly. 👌👍
You do a wonderful job on all your podcasts. Keep up the excellent work.
I anticipate you having a large following.
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Thank you very much - you are very kind!
Very much appreciate the style of your recounting - the facts, the intrigue, but careful to avoid salacious detail for its own sake. Well done.
This concluding explanation is spot on as far as I'm concerned. As soon as it was said he married an older woman and adopted the niece, my immediate thought was, gay man/marriage of convenience. Then, when the servant committed suicide, it stood as confirmation.
I am also wondering, as an added twist, if Wilde had been involved with Storrs at some point, in a one-off circumstance or brief affair, from which Wilde expected more. Wilde was also a bit old not to be married.
Somehow this has the feel of a scorned lover scenario to me, and he could certainly have blackmailed him on that score. Whereas, he would had to have seen Storrs and the servant in a compromising situation in order to blackmail him on that front. And even then, it would have been his word against theirs.
But as a scorned lover, he could have threatened to tell the authorities he had been indecently assaulted, if Storrs didn't either pay up or come back to him. Wilde's erratic, nut-case/alcoholic behavior could have been down to the tension of hiding his proclivities.
This armchair detective got triggered again! Another stellar presentation and excellent analysis, thank you! ~Danyel
Thank you, Danyel - I agree with you on all points. Everything I came across in my research about Storrs, suggested he was homosexual. I also suspected that Wilde had some kind of involvement with him - but I could find nothing to substantiate this beyond the merest suspicion.
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I think your right too. The psychology of that fits well
Your voice is perfect. You give the facts, and you do so in an analytical and logical fashion. Glad I found your stuff. Plus ever case I've listened to, I had never heard of, so that is also a bonus. Keep up the outstanding work.
I enjoyed yet another of your seriously researched and narrated presentations. Even my parrot stops, quiets, and listens intently to your clever voice. I'm nearly caught up and am hoping you might work in the completion of more of these fab documentaries in between your skillful painting. It's so relaxing and fascinating to be jettisoned to an altogether different era.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you to you and your parrot, Karen!
I love your stories and I “use” them to learn English. You have a calm and pleasant voice and you are a brilliant story teller. By the way I love your paintings as well. The calm is my absolute favorite, I love the colours and I would love to sit there by the table. Mária from Hungary
Thank you very much indeed, Maria - that is a nice thing to read! I am also delighted you like my paintings - The Calm is one of my paintings I am most satisfied with also! :)
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All the hard work that you put into your videos, could be penned for sale into books. You are a great storyteller.
Another smashing programme! Thank you so much ❤️
I'm so glad you liked it, Sandra - many thanks!
Supposition not certainty.
Fascinating and beautiful narrated.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Your channel is a gem, Mr. Maguire.
Hope I can help soon.
Thank you.
From Reggio Calabria, Italia.
I am so glad you like it - I wish you well from a rather windy Britain this evening.
What a golden find! Lovely voice and professional narration of local history!
Much appreciated, many thankyous x
I have thoroughly enjoyed this series! So well done in every way. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it - thank you, Margaret!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Almost 50 years and 3000 miles ago I lived within walking distance of the Gorse Hall property, but just learned the full story of it now - thanks to your brilliant retelling!
Very interesting! I had viewed the Julian Fellows account of this murder in 'A most mysterious murder' and I must say, convincing as that was, you bring a different but equally interesting aspect to this crime. Well Done.
Thank you! I am delighted you have liked it - I like very much the way Julian Fellowes develops Jon Goodman's theory concerning Maria's brother, but obviously I have a different theory! There is so much more to say on this case and so much that is hidden from view that we can never know for sure...
Thoroughly enjoyable delving into mysteries of times past; and the delivery is impeccable. Quality programming.
Thank you kindly, Joe!
Mark, I'm gradually getting through all your essays. Your common sense approach to solving these various mysterious issues is fantastic and again, I agree with your summary. Excellent work 👏👍
Thank you very much, Michael!
I agree with Mark's summary always too
Fascinating case. A very thorough analysis. I didn't expect the final outcome. We usually forget that that "problem" also existed in Victorian times. Extremely sad that a life was completely ruined and the culprit got away with murder and blackmailing.
Your narration is awesome Thank You for your time x
I'm very glad you enjoyed it, Teresa, and thank you!
Thank you for all of your efforts on these wonderful historical documentaries- I am a fan and subbed! I hope your channel shows up in other true crime fans' recommended list like mine so you get more followers. I will certainly recommend you to others.
Many thanks indeed!
Great delivery of story
I recently stumbled across gorse hall walking my dog. Its absolutely beautiful. I had to find out more about the ruins :) thank you for the video
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think your theory is correct. As a gay man I find this case very saddening.
Yes - it is the only explanation which covers all the strange circumstances of this case for me... It is a sad case indeed if I am correct.
So sad.
As a human being, I find this case very saddening.
@@addie_is_me All murders are saddening and how else could anyone say something like that, if your were not a human being ?
Our societal attitudes, not so very long ago, were appalling, regarding who should love whom. I fear the Christian religion played a large part in that. Eg. Christ hung out with 12 other fellows. What are the chances that among that group of 13...? It is accepted that several of those followers had walked away from wives and children. Is it not just as possible there may have been a gay man among them? My point is that they are all considered to be saints, regardless of aspects of their lives which seem un-saintly...to some...
The police needed you back then. I can listen to your stories and theories all night long! Thank you Mark.
You're very kind - thank you!
Absolutely brilliant! I'm impressed beyond words! Definitely one of my new favorite channels!
Love this channel and love his voice!
Hello from Canada (near Toronto). What a marvellous channel! Are you, in addition to being a talented writer and artist also a barrister? Your mind works in such an incisive manner and your eloquence I need not elaborate on. Are you a John Banville alias Benjamin Black fan? I Ask because the "gumshoe", the sort of Robert Mitchum character you use as an opener reminds me of the characters the latter played and of Black's detective. Looking forward to purchasing at least one of your books. Namaste. (thanks for getting me through a rather nasty hospital stay too)
Many thanks - I'm glad this helped you through some difficult challenges. No, I am not a barrister - just an aficionado!
Unique story teller voice, came for the story ( excellent ) stayed for the voice.👍🏻 subscribed
This was a very interesting case. And the way you summed it up at the end. I also think that Storres and the coachman had an affair. Because it was strange that he was that close to his master and then commited suicide if there was nothing secret about their relationship. These were difficult times for homosecuals which again is very sad. He must have had a sad life having to stay "in the closet". Thanks for another great case. Greetings from Norway 🤗
I am delighted to have discovered your channel. You have exceptional talent . Thank you.
So glad I stumbled across this production. Great research, photos, drawings, and this narrator's voice, well....what a treat! Thanks!!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you, Voya
You have sorted the very odd details of this case quite clearly and logically, I think. I agree with your assessment of the truth of what happened, and why it did.
I'm glad to have found your offerings.
Great story, beautifully told. I'm definitely following you!
Well done, once again, Mark. Your level of research and respectful presentation is wonderful.
Glad you enjoyed it
I know this case only from the Julian Fellowes account in 2004 - your take on this is fascinating...
Thank you, Juliette. I'm delighted you liked my theory!
Agree with other comments. Very interesting and beautiful delivery. Congratulations. Am forwarding to as many as I am able.
Just found your wonderful channel by pure chance, and subscribed even before poor George was found. 😀
One of the best you’ve done...only wish there were more and more often!
Many thanks Woody - I would like to do them more often, but it takes a great deal of time to sort through every stage in the production, starting with the research - to the point of abandonment at completion, with far too many reservations!
Excellent, as always
An excellently narrated and sad tale. Thank you
I agree - it is a sad tale.
An excellent analysis! Your programs are always delivered in a calm, understated way, a marvelous contrast to most of the Internet.
These are great! Insightful and well reasoned, clinical without being dry and uninteresting. Well done!!!
Thank you, Joel - I am glad you think so and most grateful to you!
That was brilliant, thank you! I love how you wrap things up by going point by point to offer up some critical thinking on the matter. The conclusion you came to brought a flash thought of, "Of course! That's GOT to be it. It's so obvious." Thinking about the wife and the social mores of the time, she was probably grateful to have achieved married status and was very willing to do so at the expense of a non-existent sexual life with her husband. So of COURSE she'd be privy to information and be inclined to keep quiet about it to protect both their reputations. Well done, Master Storyteller, well done.
Thank you again, Glenn! I am delighted you agreed with my conclusion, and that you liked it! :)
I'm so impressed with this channel. All the other replies say the exact words I feel about these documentaries. 💯🤯 AMAZING
I love to listen to Mark’s summary of the crime.
You know it also makes sense why he didn't want a phone. If he had a phone Wilde could have called and got his wife instead and told her why he was calling.
Thank you - yes, I found it odd that by 1909 a wealthy man like Storrs had not had a phone installed. And yet was willing to go to the expense and trouble of installing a large bell!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Remember Andrew Borden? Many wealthy people who can well afford basic conveniences are eccentric and penurious. In Mr. Borden's case, he did not have indoor plumbing installed, and Lizzie et al had to resort to using an outhouse.
@@gailjarvis2592 yes but in Storr's case he WAS willing to spend money, a great deal of it in fact, having a massive bell installed. It's weird that he would spend money on that but not on a phone line.
Captivated from being to end I even replayed the end it was that intriguing. Keep up the good work!
Totally fascinating and impressive presentation. You manage to not only describe in comprehensive detail the facts of the case but also illuminate the inner lives of those involved. In these matters so much we will never be able to know anything with certainty. What went through my mind is how Wilde would have been in a position to be able to blackmail . Had he been involved with Storrs? Or may be he had witnessed some event occurring between Storrs and the Coachman, perhaps observing from a distance.
You narrate these stories so beautifully. Everything is explained so well.
Thank you, Zoe!
Once again , thank you for these posts, never boring always interesting.
My pleasure! Thanks you, Tina
Nice with someone who doesn't yell or rush during the narration, good work! Love your drawings
Very interesting and very intelligent narration. Thank you. Hope you keep making these videos.
Thank you, I will, Simon.
To a second-language speaker of English it is refreshing to hear 'aunt' pronounced in English. I watch many American crime series and always giggle slightly when a character refers to 'the girl's (or anyone else's) ant'. Makes me think of Solomon's ant: the very industrious one.
I love how you make the people come alive, and you take us right back to the time period, as if we are there.
Got to subscribe to this now lol. So interesting and well told . Great channel
Thank you, Pauline!
Wow. Excellent. It's not often a cold case is solved right in front of your eyes. Thank you so much for this. Just brilliant.
Thank you very much indeed, Tara!
I have just found your channel its excellent thank you liked and subscribed x
Only just discovered your channel and I think it's really excellent - very thorough and intelligent, not at all lurid in your descriptions of these crimes. I hadn't heard of the Storrs case and I think your theory re blackmail is far more plausible than that put forward by Goodman.
Thank you, kindly, Suz!
Thank you. Another beautifully crafted video.
I love the voice of the orator. I find the story fascinating. Thank you 😊
Thank you too!
Fascinating case! The bell system was an early burglar alarm - I wonder if this was common back then? Maybe he was too miserly to install a telephone - I imagine it was expensive back in 1909. Interesting theory about the coachman Worrall - it certainly seems very odd that he committed suicide so soon after the murder. I also find it odd that Mrs. Storrs gave her husband the shillelagh instead of the gun - taking the gun upstairs with her. Lots of strange things about this case! Really enjoyed this and loved the illustrations. :)
Thanks Mel - yes, very strange circumstances all round. So much more than I have been able to fit in this account - both events on the 10thSept and 1st Nov are quite bizarre and so many questions remain: why did his wife not hand him the revolver? Why did Marion Lindley claim she did not go to her uncle's assistance "because he was so much bigger than the intruder" and yet also claim that she saw he had his hand on a knife in his belt? And how was he managing to wrestle with Mr Storrs with one hand on his knife haft?! I'm not sure installing a bell as a burglar alarm can have been common - this was probably unique. What purpose had it? If a burglar was in the house, then the nearest habitation was about 1 mile from Gorse Hall. A shotgun would probably be a better alarm!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I wondered where Marion Lindley was while this was happening - the maid and cook had gone to fetch help, Mrs Storrs had gone upstairs, where was Marion when George was being stabbed? Presumably not actually witnessing the stabbing, because she wasn't there when the "posse" arrived???
@@MelanieMaguire The cook and maid had both gone to fetch the coachman, Marion had apparently observed the struggle from the end of the hall and then went out down the drive to seek help from the Central liberal Club opposite the main gates. She met the men from the liberal Club going down the drive, as I understand it - although there are differing versions here. Goodman claims that she actually arrived at the Liberal Club and the steward told her it was "men only" and "rules are rules" in a comic little scene, but I think this is wrong. The men in the Liberal club heard the bell tolling and went to investigate - meeting Miss Lindley on the drive. She then turned and followed them back to the Hall.
thank you for your stories you put a lot of thought and time for them
Thanks a lot, Randy!
Very good again, Mark. I hope you won't mind me making a small point. Oscar Wilde got two years hard labour, not five. This was the maximum sentence available at the time and was imposed for very special circumstances. Firstly, he had perjured himself in both cases, initially in his libel case in the hope of jailing the Marquis of Queensbury - who had actually told the truth about Wilde. And secondly, in his own prosecution, when it emerged that he had corrupted young men, one as young as 16. Many thanks.
Not at all, Paul - it is a pleasure to be corrected in such a courteous way! Thank you for putting this straight - I admit I relied purely on memory when this point occurred to me as I wrote the script. My memory is clearly not what it was - perhaps 2 years used to seem like 5 when I was younger! Many thanks.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder You are welcome. Of course, it doesn't contradict your main thesis, which is almost certainly correct. However, it may have a tangential bearing on similar cases. I haven't had an opportunity to research this yet but I am led to believe that the 'persecution' of homosexuality under British law up to 1967 was not quite as draconian as has been suggested and that not that many cases were prosecuted. Those that were, were either prostitutes or involved in other crimes. It was always a difficult crime to prove. I shall look into it further.
That's true - many cases were dismissed or resulted in a small fine. Many famous actors - John Gielgud, for instance - were let off very lightly. As attitudes grew more tolerant, society, police and the courts seemed to be ahead of the law.
What about Alan Turing? He didn’t get off lightly.
@@Carcod1 Alan's case happened a good while after Oscar Wilde. The British government was cracking down on any form of degeneracy or opposition they could find, so when they found out that an important inventor for the military was gay well they certainly wanted to punish him for his 'deceit' and punish him as they would with any gay man at the time.
I can't add any more suggestions than have been made by previous comments, all very inciteful. Excellent and incredibly detailed story.
Many thanks for your kind comment!
Wonderful stories beautifully told
Thank you - I'm glad you enjoyed them!
I have just found this :) and I am now a subscriber. I had heard the story of Harry Storrs before, but this is much more detailed.
Thank you, Janette!
What a great tale! I was hanging off every word.
Interesting as usual:). Thank you so much! 💖
Great job on this story… You have a great voice and diction!😊
What a superbly told (and illustrated) exposition of the facts and convincing analysis. Your solution accounts for some of the puzzles in the case. Thank you.
Thank you!
Thank you for creating such brilliant content. I wonder if you've heard of the Cameo Murders? It'd make for an excellent investigation and discussion!
Thank you very much, Laura - I hadn't heard of it, but I have just read a summary and it sounds fascinating and I shall certainly include this in the future! Many thanks for letting me know of it!
The narrator should be a police investigator. Logical and well reasoned analysis.
Riveting to the end! Thank you for another great story!!
Glad you enjoyed it