ThinkPad 235: The Rebadged Subnotebook!

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  • The IBM ThinkPad 235 was a Japan-exclusive subnotebook from the late 90s...that you could buy elsewhere in the world under a different brand name.
    Sources:
    Laptop Pics page on the ThinkPad 235: laptop.pics/ch...
    ThinkPad 235 specifications page (Japanese): www.ibm.com/co...
    Popular Science, April 1998.
    Epson Endeavor TK-300 photo: pc.watch.impre...
    PC World, November 1997.
    PC World, May 1998.
    "Where in the world is Nimesh Desai?", Peter Golden, EDN. www.edn.com/wh...
    PC Magazine, January 1998.
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Комментарии • 147

  • @moofree
    @moofree 2 года назад +100

    Even though it's not 'perfect', I love how those Crystal Audio chips sound.

    • @EgoShredder
      @EgoShredder 2 года назад +1

      I thought he would play a couple of short wav file clips too, not just Yamaha OP2 FM synthesis.

    • @marioman971
      @marioman971 2 года назад +1

      I really should've known it was IBM that actually manufactured it and not the other way around just by the keyboard, but the Crystal audio definitely tipped me off. Lot of older IBM PC's used it, including a newer PC 300PL I have that sounds a bit warmer and cleaner than this. I think PowerBook G3's also used Crystal chips but I don't think they had the FM synth or, was at least inaccessible

    • @beefgoat80
      @beefgoat80 2 года назад +2

      That sound would have blown my mind in 1997.

    • @EvilTurkeySlices
      @EvilTurkeySlices 2 года назад +1

      @@marioman971 a lot of Dells did too, later. Dells of this era usually used ESS chips.

  • @winterburden
    @winterburden 2 года назад +140

    I love when youtubers are like 'i'll let you judge how this sounds.' I'm over here listening to this on my phone with a usb earbud and i'm like 'yep, that's exactly what it sounds like.'

    • @tapank415
      @tapank415 2 года назад +2

      ya, i want to hear keyboard clicks too!

    • @akaJughead
      @akaJughead 2 года назад +19

      So I did the leg work for you. I compared the audio he provided of passport.mid to my Sound Blaster 16 with a real OPL3 chip. I used the same set of Creative desktop speakers to listen to both samples.
      My conclusion is that the Crystal chipset in this laptop is pretty close to the real thing, I really couldn't tell a difference. That doesn't mean it's 100% Sound Blaster compatible, because as I found even Creative had difficulty with that back in the day.

    • @asmc1492
      @asmc1492 2 года назад +2

      @@akaJughead creative make speakers? I thought they only make headphones and sound card.

    • @explycyt6171
      @explycyt6171 2 года назад +2

      @@asmc1492 i have a creative webcam

    • @EgoShredder
      @EgoShredder 2 года назад +2

      Haha yeah I know what you mean. Despite having a smartphone since 2014, mine rarely gets any use other than occasional whatsapp wifi calls and TomTom GPS. Doing anything else with a tiny 6 inch screen and no keyboard or mouse, is like torture. Plus the video and audio chips inside those phones are very generic, and in an electrically noisy environment.

  • @VEN0M415
    @VEN0M415 2 года назад +54

    Bios accessibility while on desktop?!? that's the dream right there!

    • @dr.samsung_8855
      @dr.samsung_8855 2 года назад +3

      I really wish modern computers could do the same thing. But perhaps most changes might require a restart anyways(?)

    • @Lukeno52
      @Lukeno52 2 года назад +1

      A lot of Dells and Toshibas did the same thing at the time.

  • @SarahLJP
    @SarahLJP 2 года назад +8

    7:49 ハードディスク [hādo disuku] "Hard disk"

  • @Camell513
    @Camell513 2 года назад +49

    I love Yahoo auctions Japan! so cool to see someone else getting neat stuff from there. I really feel that the Japanese culture takes so much more pride when they resell stuff. I had one person repackage a fully built lego set into individual baggies, the same way one woulda got it from LEGO 10 years ago!

  • @_..---
    @_..--- 2 года назад +62

    I just love how those machines look, feels so comfy and professional

  • @LusRetroSource
    @LusRetroSource 2 года назад +13

    It's been so long since I've seen a laptop without a USB port, it now feels weird to see one needing an adapter. USB is one of the best things to happen to computers. No more worrying about serial, parallel, PCMCIA, PS/2 ports and more. Now it's evolving to pretty much replace any connection (Display, power, etc..).

    • @ThatTonybo
      @ThatTonybo 2 года назад +1

      Everything basically. Look at laptops like the 2016-2020 MacBooks. While they really shouldn't of had, 4 USB-Cs and a headphone port and that's it. Kinda impressive.

  • @dreammfyre
    @dreammfyre 2 года назад +2

    Show. Off. Some. Software. Please.
    Half the fun of LGRs videos is seeing things run on whatever he’s building or showcasing.

  • @TravisStamper
    @TravisStamper 2 года назад +17

    Since my ex wife made me get rid of all my retro stuff, hence EX, I live vicariously through you. Thanks for the video

    • @organiccold
      @organiccold 2 года назад +10

      You should had made here ex. before you sold your stuff...just saying

    • @RetroPlus
      @RetroPlus 2 года назад +6

      I can see why she's your ex

  • @nbrown5907
    @nbrown5907 2 года назад +11

    Ahh good old midi now that brings back memories lol.

    • @EgoShredder
      @EgoShredder 2 года назад +1

      Still used to this day as its brilliant. Supposed to be MIDI 2.0 on the way but no idea when.

  • @IndellableHatesHandles
    @IndellableHatesHandles 2 года назад +1

    Still has more features than my modern Lenovo, considering I bought it from a crappy refurbisher and it can't connect to the web.

  • @Francoberry
    @Francoberry 2 года назад +11

    To quote Alan Partridge: 'they've rebadged it you fool!'

  • @hezheng6490
    @hezheng6490 2 года назад +8

    CrystalFM is actually pretty decent except certain broken implementation like, CX4235.

  • @deathdeathrevolution3499
    @deathdeathrevolution3499 2 года назад +2

    Ahh yes 446 likes with 147 views. That's because everyone liked it 2-3 times

  • @markshellard5894
    @markshellard5894 2 года назад +1

    AOL , now for some very slow download porn that stopped halfway through 😂

  • @n0lanv0id
    @n0lanv0id 2 года назад +2

    Passport is a banger. I danced in my kitchen to the whole track.

  • @stevenclark2188
    @stevenclark2188 2 года назад +8

    The nice thing about FM music is it's mathematically defined. As long as it's still OPL2 or 3 compatible, and not emulating FM from some other tech, music will have only minor differences. If you don't like FM though there's no saving it. Still I bet this thing kicked but for games if there were DOS drivers.

  • @willcheyney
    @willcheyney 2 года назад +2

    What is it about computers before the 2000’s? They have an undefinable charm.

  • @theblubus
    @theblubus 2 года назад +1

    Love that Sega fart midi
    It's adorable because it tried lol

  • @nbrown5907
    @nbrown5907 2 года назад +2

    Well if it had 98 on it the specs would have been fine for dos gaming lol.

  • @lemmonsinmyeyes
    @lemmonsinmyeyes 2 года назад +1

    Using sony batteries as the powersource, thats frikking brilliant! I mean, not great battery life to be honest, but who cares when you can hotswap a non-proprietary battery!

  • @outaspaceman
    @outaspaceman 2 года назад

    put the sound card in a Eurorack module and a fortune could be yours..!

  • @kztech1319
    @kztech1319 2 года назад +3

    Actually pressing a hotkey during Windows 9x to enter BIOS is also found on Dell laptops, all the way up to 2003!
    Even on something like a Pentium M equipped Latitude D600, D800, if the machine isn't running in ACPI mode with Windows 2k or XP or such, you can still press Fn+F3 to get to the BIOS battery page which enters the BIOS too. Seems like ACPI mode prevents this from being possible so you don't see that feature on newer laptops. The Latitude Dx10 series with their total BIOS UI redesign (as opposed to the same BIOS layout Dell used in 386, 486 days) no longer have this feature.

    • @EvilTurkeySlices
      @EvilTurkeySlices 2 года назад

      I’ll have to try that on my latitude c600 when I get it a new case(the right hinge is snapped)

  • @sharptoothtrex4486
    @sharptoothtrex4486 2 года назад

    $2400 for that 1997 laptop is too much. Wait many years later putting that same money amount towards a gaming laptop instead.

  • @adventureoflinkmk2
    @adventureoflinkmk2 2 года назад

    3:44 -- you might as well follow this around fat people like off Family Guy because all I hear for the most part is tubas at the start

  • @w3rd645
    @w3rd645 2 года назад +2

    That crystal audio sampler music was smooooooth!

  • @singletona082
    @singletona082 2 года назад +1

    Can someone make a modern shell/dock for like a cellphone or raspberry pi that has this form factor and look?

  • @tizianociollaro9127
    @tizianociollaro9127 2 года назад

    I have the Epson Endeavor TK-400. It was still off for about 1 year, and now not run the S.O. The internal battery is low (1,9 V) but I think there is something wrong on BIOS or RAM because not see the internal hard disk and on POST, the word displayed is not correct. Where can I take info on this beatiful micro notebook? I tried on google but this model is very hard to get some information or link to download old BIOS

  • @SkylarsTerribleMemes
    @SkylarsTerribleMemes 2 года назад

    theres a standard camcorder battery? huh, learn something new every day i guess. pretty damn cool, wish it was more common in laptops and smartphones

  • @retr0life
    @retr0life 2 года назад +1

    3:45 That's up to LGR to decide

  • @nawainrukalfank1703
    @nawainrukalfank1703 2 года назад +1

    the cool thing about this laptop is it use cam recorder battery that still sells new today, i hope modern laptop do this

  • @dylanlindsay1993
    @dylanlindsay1993 2 года назад

    I know this is kinda unrelated but I picked up a ibm Thinkpad 380ed at a thrift store about a week ago for 7$
    it powers on and everything but I have a puzzling issues with it.. first of all it doesn't have any sound at all I even took it apart to check if the speaker was unplugged and it wasn't, second whenever I put a cd in the cd-drive one of two things happen if its a data cd the drive spins up and it reads it but then the computer just shuts off completely and you have to unplug it and re-plug it to power it on again, second if I put a audio cd in it it doesn't cut power to it self and it works but there's still no sound.... I replaced the cmos battery because it was dead and the main battery is also dead and makes a strange whining sound when its in the computer.... also I'm using a universal onn brand power adapter because the I got it without the power adapter... Do you know what could be possibly causing these issues? Any help would be appreaceated.. Thanks!! :))

  • @ReavenZero
    @ReavenZero 2 года назад +6

    I love these videos about vintage Laptops. Make me wanna get a few myself! :)

  • @theblubus
    @theblubus 2 года назад

    Hey @This Does Not Compute!
    Love your content. What's the name of the song @6:08?
    I've been searching for it forever!!

  • @michaelcharach
    @michaelcharach 2 года назад +4

    I sold PCs back in the mid to late 90s. These videos really take me down memory lane.

  • @rhysholdaway
    @rhysholdaway Год назад

    Think my 570 Thinkpad has Crystal Audio too. Seems quite a common laptop soundcard.

  • @shane._.morgan
    @shane._.morgan 2 года назад

    Hi Guys, I recently found a thinkpad 235 does anyone know how much they could be worth?

  • @Gadgetman1989
    @Gadgetman1989 2 года назад +1

    Great video Colin, always love watching your uploads

  • @gurillamann6534
    @gurillamann6534 2 года назад

    Man.... I have forteen of these on eBay back in 2011 and i waste 2000 dollars

  • @lezoriq
    @lezoriq 2 года назад +6

    I own 235, as well as lots of other IBM laptops. 235 if by far my favorite.

    • @shane._.morgan
      @shane._.morgan 2 года назад

      Hi sorry to bother I just came across this video after getting a 235, would you know how much they could be worth?

    • @lezoriq
      @lezoriq 2 года назад +2

      @@shane._.morgan one in a decent condition about 500$

  • @fatkid5600
    @fatkid5600 2 года назад

    "good things can come from small packages"
    yeah haha, tell that to my future wife

  • @Fuzy2K
    @Fuzy2K 2 года назад

    6:04 -- They spelled "fluorescent" wrong :P

  • @GANONdork123
    @GANONdork123 2 года назад +1

    The perfect video for my morning cup of coffee before work.

    • @sknyz2452
      @sknyz2452 2 года назад

      Lmao I can wake up hours before my shift starts and yet I somehow never have free time for coffee or a small video. Teach me.

  • @moistnugget4019
    @moistnugget4019 2 года назад +1

    that aesthetic is what i see when i close my eyes and think of "laptop"

  • @--Animal--
    @--Animal-- 2 года назад

    "The track pad is small". What track pad, I legit don't see one 🤣

  • @richardestes6499
    @richardestes6499 2 года назад

    Nice. I've heard worse audio out of IBM's NetVista line.

  • @NathanChisholm041
    @NathanChisholm041 2 года назад

    Man laptops just looked better back then! I just gave away a old Lenovo x200 to a mate whos into old computers...

  • @justthatmichael2176
    @justthatmichael2176 Год назад

    hell yeah that sounds DOPE, my Mac Fixerman

  • @markitzero12
    @markitzero12 2 года назад

    I think I have a smaller one Lookup a Sony Vaio PCG-505FX with a Intel P1, Sony has used this model number in newer models I think.

  • @Puzzlers100
    @Puzzlers100 2 года назад

    And it looks just like every other ThinkPad ever.

  • @STICKOMEDIA
    @STICKOMEDIA 2 года назад +1

    The audio chip sounds nice

  • @shawn57187
    @shawn57187 2 года назад

    Did you say Pentium MMX @ 266mhz? I didn’t think there was a Pentium at that clock speed.

    • @XCVGVCX
      @XCVGVCX 2 года назад

      IIRC this was a mobile-only part, the desktop Pentium MMX maxed out at 233MHz.

  • @domramsey
    @domramsey 2 года назад

    Definitely not trying to be a Libretto. Definitely not.

  • @luigigt456
    @luigigt456 2 года назад

    my favourite "little pc" is toshiba libretto, rlly cute

  • @I_am_Allan
    @I_am_Allan 2 года назад

    USB 1.0 ... I remember when Windows 98 having issues with detecting some of my devices.

  • @wiizepods7682
    @wiizepods7682 2 года назад +1

    The music in the testing part for the audio really sounds like something you hear from a 1980's Adult film

    • @Tom2404
      @Tom2404 2 года назад +1

      You mean passport.mid

    • @wiizepods7682
      @wiizepods7682 2 года назад

      @@Tom2404 Yeah that. My bad

  • @MTN1601
    @MTN1601 2 года назад +1

    Hi

  • @Seungho808
    @Seungho808 2 года назад +2

    3빠

  • @organiccold
    @organiccold 2 года назад

    Interesting. About the sound is not brilliant but i seen better

  • @Filippoupolitis
    @Filippoupolitis 2 года назад +1

    Awesome video mr Collin!!!

  • @daedalus372
    @daedalus372 2 года назад +3

    Ngl, that Passport song was 🔥🔥🔥

    • @Tom2404
      @Tom2404 2 года назад +1

      It's included in Wondows 9x

  • @akaJughead
    @akaJughead 2 года назад +3

    I compared the audio he provided of passport.mid to my Sound Blaster 16 with a real OPL3 chip. I used the same set of Creative desktop speakers to listen to both samples.
    My conclusion is that the Crystal chipset in this laptop is pretty close to the real thing, I really couldn't tell a difference. That doesn't mean it's 100% Sound Blaster compatible, because as I found even Creative had difficulty with that back in the day.
    As far as FM OPL synth, the Crystal chipset does a pretty good job.

  • @JK-gm6kk
    @JK-gm6kk 2 года назад

    "supplemental software" is a nice way to put it

  • @k.qottmi3993
    @k.qottmi3993 2 года назад

    i remember those days when this device released i was a peeping outside because purchased this lap a costs fortune how much now i need a one

  • @TyTytheCat2004
    @TyTytheCat2004 2 года назад

    Could you try ReactOS on the IBM Thinkpad in this video?

  • @summerlaverdure
    @summerlaverdure 2 года назад +3

    that crystal audio sounds just like my old PC, i give it top Passport marks

  • @Aralis97
    @Aralis97 2 года назад +3

    I am not even into retro computers but you always explain everything so well and make things sound so interesting! Thank you!

  • @Arthur-bk9wn
    @Arthur-bk9wn 2 года назад

    I find the midi song really good ! Would it be possible for you to upload it ?

  • @RetroPlus
    @RetroPlus 2 года назад

    3:43 Oh that's funky!

  • @zapod20
    @zapod20 2 года назад +3

    I still have a couple of Thinkpad 240Xs knocking around, along with a floppy drive that looks like it would hook up to that Hitachi. They were perfect (20 years ago) for taking to site for PLC programming duties.

  • @gluttonousmaximus9048
    @gluttonousmaximus9048 2 года назад +2

    2:38 Somebody call Cathode Ray Dude because he likes infolithiums

  • @KuntalGhosh
    @KuntalGhosh 2 года назад

    Npf battery to power laptop? That's great!!

  • @Mark_5150
    @Mark_5150 2 года назад +3

    Years later and I'm still subscribed and watch your videos. I'm not into old tech, although I do remember these days in computer history, I just find your videos entertaining. Thanks.

  • @allissondiego1989
    @allissondiego1989 2 года назад

    Please, do a video on alphasmart neo

  • @hielmyz
    @hielmyz 2 года назад

    ahh.. those MIDI tracks are so nostalgic...

  • @RETROMachines
    @RETROMachines 2 года назад

    wow, nice video

  • @MK-of7qw
    @MK-of7qw 2 года назад

    Crystal audio was aight.

  • @NavJack27gaming
    @NavJack27gaming 2 года назад

    that midi is... its close... its unique...

  • @marksmith9566
    @marksmith9566 2 года назад

    Have you had a Libretto?

  • @quentinfaure3709
    @quentinfaure3709 2 года назад

    No my friend it sounds bad

  • @JK-gm6kk
    @JK-gm6kk 2 года назад

    Passport kinda slaps, ngl

  • @robsquared2
    @robsquared2 2 года назад

    Just waiting for the dom notebooks now.

  • @Okla_Soft
    @Okla_Soft 2 года назад +2

    I still remember the first windows 3.1 laptop my mom ever brought home from work, it blew my kind that windows could be run portably.

  • @somacruz8272
    @somacruz8272 2 года назад

    source on the fly tunes?

  • @MakeKasprzak
    @MakeKasprzak 2 года назад

    Whoa! NP-F batteries!

  • @WillyRosado
    @WillyRosado 2 года назад

    Sounds good for that time

  • @claudiameier666
    @claudiameier666 Год назад

    Its a mini cutie .

  • @randomfish42
    @randomfish42 2 года назад +2

    I had an unbranded one of these which I brought from CPC back in the late 90s early 00s (P120 IIRC), great little machine and got it for a good price. As you say the screen on it was good for the time, alas it got lost in a move as it would make a great DOS gaming machine (well maybe not sound wise!) with the native 640x480 display.

  • @shabeer_wms
    @shabeer_wms 2 года назад

    That does compute 😁

  • @goodiesguy
    @goodiesguy 2 года назад +1

    That Passport.mid sample sounds identical to how I remember it sounding on my Genius PCI Soundcard, except for some reason, on Windows 98 midi files played mono and at a slightly higher pitch, like a semitone up.

  • @LoftechUK
    @LoftechUK 2 года назад

    I love old stuff

  • @HannuPulli
    @HannuPulli 2 года назад +2

    A perfect fit for the Japanese market. There was some extra magic with these early sub-notebooks with can't quite can't be matched with ultra thin bezelless designs. Though those are cool too, doesn't maybe seem quite as impressive.

  • @alfredthegreat7750
    @alfredthegreat7750 2 года назад +2

    I just wanted to say that, i really enjoy watching all of your videos, and i think you are very intelligent, keep up the good work.

  • @MegaManNeo
    @MegaManNeo 2 года назад +2

    Looks like ThinkPad that would have been nice to own back then.

  • @PeterSwinkels
    @PeterSwinkels 2 года назад

    Nice.

  • @borisdg
    @borisdg 2 года назад

    Are you gonna make a teardown video for Game & Watch The Legend of Zelda?

    • @ThisDoesNotCompute
      @ThisDoesNotCompute  2 года назад

      Not sure…I doubt it’s much (if any) different inside.

    • @borisdg
      @borisdg 2 года назад

      @@ThisDoesNotCompute Yeah, but I guess the PCB will be still interesting since there is logo on the back which is being illuminated by the LCD backlight.

  • @andresbravo2003
    @andresbravo2003 2 года назад +1

    Neat, you’re a great collector for Vintage Computing!

  • @Evercade_Effect
    @Evercade_Effect 2 года назад +1

    This was a blast from the past! This brought back the old days of laptops.

  • @theshadowman1398
    @theshadowman1398 2 года назад +1

    Like the look of Hitachi one much better than the original IBM model. Is the CPU socketed in these ?

  • @mikemoyercell
    @mikemoyercell 2 года назад +1

    Very cool machines! I have a rather scarce sub notebook myself. Mine is a Panasonic Toughbook CF-M32. Its a Pentium MMX 166mhz, 96mb RAM maxed out, Yamaha OPL3SAx sound, USB 1.1, Type 3 Cardbus & infrared on the machine itself, Docking Station for using the external floppy drive + Serial, Parallel, & PS/2 and it has a Li-Ion battery which still lasts 3 hours or so. It came with a 2gb hdd although since I got it, I upgraded to a 4gb hdd. I did buy a M-Systems Aerospace 8gb SSD which they call an FFD. These subnotebooks from this time period are awesome and although at the time people didn't buy them, they are highly sought after by collectors such as you and I. I like small laptops. That thinkpad 235 is very cool. I wouldn't mind finding one someday.