not a a fan (ha) of the DC adapter needed to run the 40V fan on AC power. Barrel plugs are not rugged enough for job site use and abuse, plus it is another part to get lost or forgotten. Everyone has an extension cord available.
51dB vs 63dB… it is logarithmic. For each 3dB the sound level doubles or halves. With a delta of 12dB it is nearly 16 times a loud base on sound pressure level ( SPL). On a job site that constant drone is aggregated with all of the other noise as fatigue. Just a thought
Yeah...I've got twenty four of the 18v batteries. Four of them are the 9Ah. Combine that with the stark price difference _and_ the fat that there isn't an adapter to lose/break...the 18v is the clear winner.
One thing that should have been mentioned about runtime is that you can regularly get 4-4Ah18v batteries for the same price as the 4AH 40V. So runtime/$ leans quite the other way (30h 45 min vs 13h for the same $ in batteries).
I Have The 40 Volt Lawnmower, Leaf Blower, Chainsaw; so if I get the fan then I won't need any batteries, I have 4 of em so I'm stocked up & only use 1 of em a week. But I Always Pray 🙏 & Research before I buy. anything 13:16
I have one of the big 18v units and I use it to cycle air in the house on the extension cord. So battery power means really nothing to me. Use case for me is moving air, and it does so excellently. Can cool down a 1200sqft house in short order.
I know this is not an apples to apples comparison but they probably draw the same if not a similar amount of voltage which is why the 40v lasts so much longer. The other variable is that it's a whisper series compared to a normal one and the whisper series is their top end tech which may have more efficient motors. I'm still impressed that the 4 ah battery lasted 7 hours on low, that's more than enough time to charge up several batteries. Great video I really enjoyed the content!
The new ones are also 14" v. 18" for the old one (P3340 seen here). But what's odd is the [new] ONE+ version of the 40V fan claims 2300 CFM, while this 40V one says "over 2000 CFM" but doesn't give an exact number. The old one here is supposed to be 2400 CFM but the new ONE+ version says it's 35% faster air *velocity* at 790 FPM, with the 40V version being 800 FPM--even faster. Though it wasn't published before, the old 18" fan is therefore about 590 FPM. This airspeed difference is probably what is being felt in the demonstration in the video.
Anytime air is more focused for the same amount of volume the air speed naturally needs to increase. This is not always desirable and can sometimes cause a chilling effect or may focus the air stream too much. It really depends on the use case. Cost for batteries is a big factor as well. 18V batteries are a LOT cheaper than 40V batteries at that point.
I just ordered tge 40 volt from DTFO brother! Awesome video. Now for a true fan only comparison take the battery out of the equation and test them on 120volt.
It’s called Ryobi being cheap. In the models with an extension cord option built in to the fan, the rectifier (power supply) is simply built into the fan. By moving it to a power brick that is external to the fan they can now source said bring from the lowest bidder vs having a custom engineered solution built inside the fan. I bet it makes warranties easier as well as the whole fan doesn’t need to come back for a dead AC supply. The power supply is most likely the same voltage as the battery. Internally they most likely use the exact same electronics. Designing a holder or retaining pouch for the power supply would have gone a long way to the major complaint of the power supply being forgotten or lost. Most laptops are 18-19v power bricks. I would be almost any of them would power the 18V version of the new whisper series. Ryobi needs to do user acceptance testing before removing the most popular feature of the hybrid fans, name using an extension cord ONLY to power the fan off AC mains.
CFM is not velocity. You want to quickly exchange the air in a room, go with higher CFM. If you want to feel the air have a greater distance, go for the greater velocity.
Buy yourself a kill-a-watt meter and find out. AC power use will be higher than from the battery. The fan motors are all DC motors so there will be rectifier and voltage conversion losses when running off AC mains.
@@notmethanks816 i would have done already if i had the fan. Problem: in europe i cant get the hybrid fan and i need the info to determine possibe components to build a diy hybrid. Important for my bying decision for this non cheap fan. (150 €)
Does anyone know if the 18v is offically discontinued? Mine finally died after 1.5 years and I still like it/want another. But its outta stock everywhere. I'm not opposed to the 40v but didn't want to invest in new batteries/packs yet.
CFM does not equal wind speed. The 18v unit has a larger face so it may move more total volume but at a lower speed, which in a fan that you want to feel is not as desirable as the 40V unit. Also the power the motor draws is not the amps (you said amp/hr but it's just amps), it's the watts. So the 18V unit draws 1.8A X 18V = 32.4 watts at full power and the 40V unit draws .5A X 40V = 20 watts. So not only is the 40V unit more efficient but it also has a narrower output produces higher wind speed.
But that is not how fans are compared for efficiency. Watts/cfm is the standard comparison. This allows comparing across different sizes, blade configurations, motor types, etc. Once that is done there is very little difference between the fans in watts/cfm. The 40V runs long simply because a 40v battery at 4ah has a power reserve capacity of 160watts. An 18V battery at 4ah is 72watts. The 40V has more than double the capacity. In reality the batteries are NOT 40V. They are 36v batteries. Two 18V packs in series. The exact same lithium cells are used in both battery voltages. 36V just doesn’t sound as sexy as 40V. It is really only 40V when it is 100% charge. Just like some toolmakers try and sell 20V batteries vs 18V. It’s just marketing.
So great information in this review but I have a few questions. First why didn’t you run an 8amp 18v against the 4 amp 40v or some other equivalent wattage packs in both? Also why didn’t you compare the new 18v hybrid whisper air cannon? That’s the review I really wanna see! Again great information in the video just curious what the logic was behind some of the choices.
??? So cfm is cubic feet per minute 14 in is 1.07 sq ft. 18 in is 1.77 sq ft 14 in has 60% the cross section of of 18 in 14 in 2000cfm is 1869 ft/m over cross section 21 mph 18 in 2400cfm is 1356 ft/m over cross section 15 mph When talking cooling effect it’s all about how fast. How much of you or how many if big enough getting cooled is the cross section
Yeah I'm surprised this wasn't discussed in the video. The higher air speed will also throw the air a lot farther, which he discovered at 7:00 in the video.
The 40 volt should last 3 times as long. The run times don't make any sense. Obviously the 40 volt is double the watt hours and if it uses 2/3 the power then it should be closer to 3x run time. The 40 volt watt use spec you have my be incorrect.
The spec he was reading was for the maximum speed setting, but he tested it at the lowest setting. I think the low speed on the 18v fan is probably a higher speed than the low speed on the 40v. He should have tested at the max speed as well to see if there was a difference in runtime.
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i've had the one+ 18v for over a year now, never had a better fan in my life...hands down the best of the best
I agree. It was the best purchase of my life! Living in Texas, it's a must have. I love my 18v air Cannon. So much so, I bought another one.
@@Miked1332 i'm about to buy another one soon too, here in the south we need as much air pushed as we can get lol
Im interested in seeing the new 18V Cordless Hybrid WHISPER SERIES 14 in vs the 40v
not a a fan (ha) of the DC adapter needed to run the 40V fan on AC power. Barrel plugs are not rugged enough for job site use and abuse, plus it is another part to get lost or forgotten. Everyone has an extension cord available.
51dB vs 63dB… it is logarithmic. For each 3dB the sound level doubles or halves. With a delta of 12dB it is nearly 16 times a loud base on sound pressure level ( SPL). On a job site that constant drone is aggregated with all of the other noise as fatigue. Just a thought
I tested my 40 volt air Cannon on high with a 6ah battery and it ran for 5 hours 40 minutes. Just FYI for your viewers
What setting was this on
I'm into the 40v system and I'm definitely going to get one for the power outages here in the US territories.
Found a 18v air cannon for $50. Had store credit ended up paying like $7 for it. Totally worth it
@chillwill5080 Pawn shop. Was practically brand new. Almost no wear
I take mine out into the woods while logging, great for keeping the bugs away while limbing the trees.
Great timing! I was literally just today thinking about getting a fan for the deck.
Yeah...I've got twenty four of the 18v batteries. Four of them are the 9Ah. Combine that with the stark price difference _and_ the fat that there isn't an adapter to lose/break...the 18v is the clear winner.
Great review, definitely going with the 40v version 👍
One thing that should have been mentioned about runtime is that you can regularly get 4-4Ah18v batteries for the same price as the 4AH 40V. So runtime/$ leans quite the other way (30h 45 min vs 13h for the same $ in batteries).
… you only need a standard extension cord if the battery dies, and there is commercial AC available.
Haven't seen enough to invest in 40v , got the 18v and have all the tools I need
I Have The 40 Volt Lawnmower, Leaf Blower, Chainsaw; so if I get the fan then I won't need any batteries, I have 4 of em so I'm stocked up & only use 1 of em a week.
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You need to compare the whisper series. The 18v looks a lot like this 40volt. At least the front grate. With more blades.
I have one of the big 18v units and I use it to cycle air in the house on the extension cord. So battery power means really nothing to me. Use case for me is moving air, and it does so excellently. Can cool down a 1200sqft house in short order.
I already have the 18v batteries and much prefer using a basic extension cord so I'd buy the 18v one but i do prefer a five bladed fan more usually.
I know this is not an apples to apples comparison but they probably draw the same if not a similar amount of voltage which is why the 40v lasts so much longer. The other variable is that it's a whisper series compared to a normal one and the whisper series is their top end tech which may have more efficient motors. I'm still impressed that the 4 ah battery lasted 7 hours on low, that's more than enough time to charge up several batteries. Great video I really enjoyed the content!
Given the adapter that's being used to plug the 40v into AC power, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually a 12v motor.
The new ones are also 14" v. 18" for the old one (P3340 seen here). But what's odd is the [new] ONE+ version of the 40V fan claims 2300 CFM, while this 40V one says "over 2000 CFM" but doesn't give an exact number. The old one here is supposed to be 2400 CFM but the new ONE+ version says it's 35% faster air *velocity* at 790 FPM, with the 40V version being 800 FPM--even faster. Though it wasn't published before, the old 18" fan is therefore about 590 FPM. This airspeed difference is probably what is being felt in the demonstration in the video.
Anytime air is more focused for the same amount of volume the air speed naturally needs to increase.
This is not always desirable and can sometimes cause a chilling effect or may focus the air stream too much.
It really depends on the use case. Cost for batteries is a big factor as well. 18V batteries are a LOT cheaper than 40V batteries at that point.
I just ordered tge 40 volt from DTFO brother! Awesome video. Now for a true fan only comparison take the battery out of the equation and test them on 120volt.
Thanks for watching and let's see the test!
Great channel great content my man!!!!!
It’s called Ryobi being cheap. In the models with an extension cord option built in to the fan, the rectifier (power supply) is simply built into the fan.
By moving it to a power brick that is external to the fan they can now source said bring from the lowest bidder vs having a custom engineered solution built inside the fan.
I bet it makes warranties easier as well as the whole fan doesn’t need to come back for a dead AC supply. The power supply is most likely the same voltage as the battery. Internally they most likely use the exact same electronics.
Designing a holder or retaining pouch for the power supply would have gone a long way to the major complaint of the power supply being forgotten or lost.
Most laptops are 18-19v power bricks. I would be almost any of them would power the 18V version of the new whisper series.
Ryobi needs to do user acceptance testing before removing the most popular feature of the hybrid fans, name using an extension cord ONLY to power the fan off AC mains.
Hey, anyone done a comparison of these vs a regular box fan running on a Ryobi inverter using the same battery?
Have they discontinued the 18" eighteen volt? Cant find one anywhere
Do a smoke stream test with them both at 2000cfm to see how the draw and move air
CFM is not velocity. You want to quickly exchange the air in a room, go with higher CFM. If you want to feel the air have a greater distance, go for the greater velocity.
I have the 18V and the blade is not balanced which causes the fan to vibrate pretty hard.
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Is the motor on the new model nicer? I found with the older 18V models, the motor will start rattling after a while.
weird never had that problem myself
I haven't had that issue, however the new motor is really smooth
I can’t find the 40v to buy.
The 18v sucks only because of runtime. Thats the case with fans and inverters .I was hoping that you would've compared the 40v to the new whisper 18v
Ryobi messed up when they discontinued the 18v air cannon, who's going to buy those huge batteries??
Hi folks, can anybody tell me the max. powerconsumtion (watt) for the 18v model, when connected by power cord, running on high speed?
Buy yourself a kill-a-watt meter and find out. AC power use will be higher than from the battery. The fan motors are all DC motors so there will be rectifier and voltage conversion losses when running off AC mains.
@@notmethanks816 i would have done already if i had the fan. Problem: in europe i cant get the hybrid fan and i need the info to determine possibe components to build a diy hybrid. Important for my bying decision for this non cheap fan. (150 €)
Nice review 👍
Does anyone know if the 18v is offically discontinued? Mine finally died after 1.5 years and I still like it/want another. But its outta stock everywhere. I'm not opposed to the 40v but didn't want to invest in new batteries/packs yet.
theres a new 14" one its no longer 18"
CFM does not equal wind speed. The 18v unit has a larger face so it may move more total volume but at a lower speed, which in a fan that you want to feel is not as desirable as the 40V unit. Also the power the motor draws is not the amps (you said amp/hr but it's just amps), it's the watts. So the 18V unit draws 1.8A X 18V = 32.4 watts at full power and the 40V unit draws .5A X 40V = 20 watts. So not only is the 40V unit more efficient but it also has a narrower output produces higher wind speed.
But that is not how fans are compared for efficiency. Watts/cfm is the standard comparison. This allows comparing across different sizes, blade configurations, motor types, etc. Once that is done there is very little difference between the fans in watts/cfm.
The 40V runs long simply because a 40v battery at 4ah has a power reserve capacity of 160watts. An 18V battery at 4ah is 72watts. The 40V has more than double the capacity.
In reality the batteries are NOT 40V. They are 36v batteries. Two 18V packs in series. The exact same lithium cells are used in both battery voltages. 36V just doesn’t sound as sexy as 40V. It is really only 40V when it is 100% charge. Just like some toolmakers try and sell 20V batteries vs 18V. It’s just marketing.
So great information in this review but I have a few questions. First why didn’t you run an 8amp 18v against the 4 amp 40v or some other equivalent wattage packs in both? Also why didn’t you compare the new 18v hybrid whisper air cannon? That’s the review I really wanna see! Again great information in the video just curious what the logic was behind some of the choices.
How loud is it?
Smaller area = higher velocity, not surprising.
Why is changing a battery such a tragedy
the 40v fan might be producing more air pressure through it (on the scale of static pressure vs airflow ), more blades and less gap also suggests this
There is no static pressure on a fan like this. That is only a thing with filters or ducting in place when moving air from one room/space to another.
Why is it so hard to find videos by people who know what they're talking about =/
Come on Ryobi I know you have the mister fan in the making like the ego. I would have bought the ego but don’t want another battery platform
I have so many 18 v batteries so I rather just stick with the older fan
So reality the 14" fans use way less current than the 20" in D/C and A/C
Umm duh. For the same wattage motor a higher voltage will result in a lower current requirement.
Ohms law and all.
???
So cfm is cubic feet per minute
14 in is 1.07 sq ft. 18 in is 1.77 sq ft
14 in has 60% the cross section of of 18 in
14 in 2000cfm is 1869 ft/m over cross section 21 mph
18 in 2400cfm is 1356 ft/m over cross section 15 mph
When talking cooling effect it’s all about how fast. How much of you or how many if big enough getting cooled is the cross section
Yeah I'm surprised this wasn't discussed in the video. The higher air speed will also throw the air a lot farther, which he discovered at 7:00 in the video.
Hight the voltage lower the amps.
Not smart. Why not charge battery while plugged to 120v D/C. Why?
The 40 volt should last 3 times as long. The run times don't make any sense. Obviously the 40 volt is double the watt hours and if it uses 2/3 the power then it should be closer to 3x run time. The 40 volt watt use spec you have my be incorrect.
The spec he was reading was for the maximum speed setting, but he tested it at the lowest setting. I think the low speed on the 18v fan is probably a higher speed than the low speed on the 40v. He should have tested at the max speed as well to see if there was a difference in runtime.
ill stick with my xpower those dainty little fans are weak
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