This was a tough lesson for Jon to learn. It was always a proud moment in the training yard to be good at swords and defeat your opponents. Good thing Tyrion and Donnel Noye were there to help provide some wisdom
Yes but Alisson wanted to show that no one can't won alone if after this scene Tirion didn't come to visit him he would lose one of his body part, injured etc.
@@Terhe no he didn’t care. He was a lord and trained knight that has to train gutter rats, thieves and rapers that have never held a sword in their whole life. He doesn’t give a shit about the boys he is training. That’s why Jon started to care after Donnel Note and Tyrion talked to him
@@knightsfb32 he exactly wanted to humaliate Jon and show that he is wrong because it's not trainning when your enemy hit you over and over again and you can't even touch him, in that case with Jon this didn't seems like training I believe that Alisson and others wanted to show that strenghth in fought it's not only thing which you should improve
He's just bitter because his side lost Robert's Rebellion, and ironically if he knew who Jon was he'd have probably bent over backwards trying to help him.
Whats worse for him tho is that robbert pardoned everyone when he got to kingslanding but thorne was sent to the wall by tywin when he took the city, while he serves the watch he was just at the wrong olace at the wrong time @GhostEye31
“Well Lord Snow, it appears you’re the least useless person here. Now let me just commit my entire life to undermining your potential because I’m an egotistical prick, terrified that you’re more deserving of my authority than I am”
He was not egotistical. He was exactly the kind of man you would need in a job like that. He was living quite literally in hell. Yes he was a prick. But not egotistical. The guy had gone through nightmarish experiences. He had to be hard. I mean you really wanna be stuck beyond the wall with cowards? Regardless I agree Jon was more deserving of that authority. He was the perfect combination of bravery, strength, compassion.
@@rafayg7376 nah there’s plenty people in the show that could have gotten that job done of training the watch without being as antagonistic as possible to Jon snow.
I mean Tyrion's dad is the most powerful man in westeros and his sister is the queen. He's not some random little drunk guy. He knows about the upper echelons of power.
Jeor would probably be courteous to any Southern Lord who cared to visit the Wall, given that so few ever do unless they are sent there as punishment. There's nothing to gain by antagonizing people who already care little about the Night's Watch into caring even less.
@@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 If Alliser learned that Jon is Rhaegar's son, after everything he put him through and even killing him, he would throw himself off the Wall.
One of the actually pretty good bits of fight coreography. It gets the point accross that sword fights can be over in a few moves, and the difference between a trained, skilled fighter and an amateur is a vast gulf.
@@ShadowMoon878 I mean in real life, being rich meant you had access to way better combat training, and sure there are a lot of exceptions, i mean generally.
Even today money can buy you karate lessons, gyn memberships, personal trainers, personal chefs, etc... I've never seen a poor, sickly boy defeat a healthy, well trained one. Not even in 2024.
@@robpolaris7272 allister was sent to the wall for being a loyal supporter of the targaryans. He only pisses on Jon because all the while he thinks Jon is a bastard of Ned who killed his friends and comrades during the rebellion.
Thorne was such an @sshole to Jon for literally no reason. What, because he's a knight, he thinks he's just better than Jon? You can't expect anyone to believe that Jon was the only "Snow" in Castle Black. Thorne was just jealous, I think. Benjin Stark was better than him, more well-liked and came from a better family, so he was taking it out on Jon since Benjin wasn't there to put him in his place.
@@SlickSpeedy I came here just for this reason happy to see other people asking the same thing this man was literally a hater sense day 1 for no reason
I think if he was trained further, he'd be better than anyone but Jamie in his prime, he had true grit in battle against impossible odds, and if the books have a different ending than the show, will one day duel the Nightking himself.
You know? If Thorne would’ve just pointed out to Jon that the others hadn’t been trained. Just like Tyrion did later, Thorne could’ve been painted in a more pleasurable light of being somewhat of a teacher.
I just saw an old episode of Midsomer Mysteries where Commander Mormont (James Cosmo) played an old hippie guitarist who rode a three-wheeled motorcycle. It... was... disorienting.
What? I loved the ending to this show. Arya sailing off to bravos to find herself, with all the minor threads unresolved, perfectly getting across the narrative theme of intetweaving storylines without end? It was beautiful. Too bad we only got those 4 seasons tho.
Sad? He is the sane of anyone and eventually the best king or leader you could ever hope for, the one who doesn't seek power and control are precisely the ones you want I. That position , Dany was the female version. Of a young Hitler and Jon unselfishly did what he had to do to save who knows how many lives
@@harrison4286 lol hell, that was everyone especially littlefinger and varys, the two dipshit Dans and their cringe inducing dialogue trying to be GRRM but closer to dialogue written by Tommy Wiseau
It was expected. Jon was raised in a castle with Master of Swords, training him to fight daily. His opponents are commons who may never even held a sword until that point with no one to train them. Jon was a child and he was mad that the Night's Watch wasn't like he imagined in to be. Add Thorne's antagonistic and nick-naming behavior. He needed something to release his anger on. He was later corrected by Donal Noye. In the show's version, it was Tyrion.
He saw an honorable man, with an identity issue and natural talent for fighting. He knew that if he gave Jon a purpose and some meaningful duty both would benefit tremendously from it.
As Jon Snow was going to the wall Tyrion could tell Jon Snow got angry too quickly, so Tyrion gave Jon a bit of knowledge,remember at Winterfell when he said to Jon your Ned starks bastard , wear it like armour it can never be used to hurt you, the first 4 seasons of game of thrones of were very good, and the last 4 seasons were I would like to forget, how they ruined that great show, it was like it was done on purpose, I wonder why ❓🤬🤬🤬🤬
Yeah it’s why he ends up with most of their support, he gives them tips sort of relaxes a little more on them and earns their loyalty to the point where someone went to go fuck with Jon and they hold him down gag him and threaten him with ghost. They flood him into battle against the walkers
In this case, Alistair was a Targareyan loyalist who opposed Ned Stark. And now he has the son of Ned, even if he's a bastard, that he gets to take some measure of revenge on.
Thorne is being a prick here and it has been discussed in lenght. But there is also a little bit of logic here. Jon is predictably the only one already trained in swordsmanship. By having the whole lot of the trainees antagonize him, thorne gives them a goal to reach and a benchmark to measure up to. In the same time it makes the training much more difficult for jon since ge isn't training 1v1 but against a bunch of people. That way every one makes progress. The less skilled are more motivated and the most skilled is more challenged. Of course he ruins it by being an a-hole which turns jon into the leader of the other recruits instead of a rival.
If that we a real sword being hammered against an anvil at literally air temperature, even at some megshift case hardening technique, world be fragile and broken the first time it touched anything hard enough. A sword, by a master smith, would never be beaten completely cold. Yeah yeah case hardening and all that but not out in the open to the weather and the uncontrollable temperatures. Case hardening requires controlled ambient temps and hammering techniques just as much as controlled heating temps. A shops temperature and the fires temperature and the iron/steels temperature all matter importantly. Just as much as what amount of carbon your heat source imparts. In those days it was coal or charcoal. There's important differences between the two when smithing, especially in those days because they didn't have such refined high carbon steel. It was pig iron, or wrought iron at best.
What a great show, until it became ultra woke and have a shitty little girl kill the ultimate enemy with a parlour trick move....what a disgusting end this show had.
This was a tough lesson for Jon to learn. It was always a proud moment in the training yard to be good at swords and defeat your opponents. Good thing Tyrion and Donnel Noye were there to help provide some wisdom
Yes but Alisson wanted to show that no one can't won alone if after this scene Tirion didn't come to visit him he would lose one of his body part, injured etc.
@@Terhe no he didn’t care. He was a lord and trained knight that has to train gutter rats, thieves and rapers that have never held a sword in their whole life. He doesn’t give a shit about the boys he is training. That’s why Jon started to care after Donnel Note and Tyrion talked to him
@@knightsfb32 he exactly wanted to humaliate Jon and show that he is wrong because it's not trainning when your enemy hit you over and over again and you can't even touch him, in that case with Jon this didn't seems like training I believe that Alisson and others wanted to show that strenghth in fought it's not only thing which you should improve
@@Terhe nope
@@Terhelay off the sauce then make your point. It’ll come across so much better
Alister Thorne acts like he isn’t highborn from a rich house himself, and he’s not even a bastard lol
I doubt he cares, he just wants them to hate Jon
Thorne reminds me that I could always hate harder.
He's just bitter because his side lost Robert's Rebellion, and ironically if he knew who Jon was he'd have probably bent over backwards trying to help him.
Whats worse for him tho is that robbert pardoned everyone when he got to kingslanding but thorne was sent to the wall by tywin when he took the city, while he serves the watch he was just at the wrong olace at the wrong time @GhostEye31
Matter of opinion
“Well Lord Snow, it appears you’re the least useless person here. Now let me just commit my entire life to undermining your potential because I’m an egotistical prick, terrified that you’re more deserving of my authority than I am”
He was not egotistical. He was exactly the kind of man you would need in a job like that. He was living quite literally in hell. Yes he was a prick. But not egotistical. The guy had gone through nightmarish experiences. He had to be hard. I mean you really wanna be stuck beyond the wall with cowards? Regardless I agree Jon was more deserving of that authority. He was the perfect combination of bravery, strength, compassion.
@@rafayg7376 nah there’s plenty people in the show that could have gotten that job done of training the watch without being as antagonistic as possible to Jon snow.
He hated the starks because he used to be Targaryen loyalist.
@@muhtadeenqamar7520Ironic considering Jon's real parentage, but that doesn't matter at The Wall.
@@deathrooster14And the fact that no one knew obviously lol
If they all fought Jon Snow every day, that would be the best training they could ever hope for.
As long they he didn't keep breaking their noses and stuff. It's not like now with our advancements in medical. An infection could kill you.
@@badmanskill1112pour liquor on it
Bleed in training, or bleed in war
It wouldn't. If it kept going like it does here, they'd just keep getting beaten without being able to figure out why.
@@badmanskill1112It's not the past, it's fiction. And they literally cure death in the story.
I love that rhey gossip about Jon's raven mail before Jon gets it. Mormont I get, he's the boss. Tyrion is just a little drunk guy. 😂
@@adsafgasgasdfasdf
But also extremely intelligent .
And regardless of how badly his Family treats him , he still Loves them and is Loyal to them .
@@adsafgasgasdfasdf LMAO !!
Fratboy !! Actually that really nails Tyrion up . LoL
Yep. Frat bot who scored perfect on all standardized test@@RikJSmith
I mean Tyrion's dad is the most powerful man in westeros and his sister is the queen. He's not some random little drunk guy. He knows about the upper echelons of power.
Trust fund kid going to see the sights and meet charming locals 😁
I like how Jeor treated Tyrion well even tho lannisters aren't liked in the North even before war of the five kings.
To gain favour for when tyrion returns south. Tyrion speaks highly of the Lord commander the South may spare more resources, men, food, equipment etc
It probably wouldn't be in any way helpful for the Night's Watch to be perceived as rude to the king's brother-in-law.
Jeor would probably be courteous to any Southern Lord who cared to visit the Wall, given that so few ever do unless they are sent there as punishment. There's nothing to gain by antagonizing people who already care little about the Night's Watch into caring even less.
Jeor is even cordial with the daughter fucker Crastor. He can't afford to be prickly with any potential allies.
They need resources from anyone willing to send them.
Nice to see a blacksmith working cold steel.
In Westeros they have mastered the technique of smithing the swords when cold.
@@graddeos: As I recall, it's a valid technique for strengthening an already formed sword. Search for "work hardening".
@@fustercluck2460r/whoooosh
You never heard of Cold Steel?
@@Mr__Geno their Spetsnatz replica shovel is a fine tool, I know that.
Thorne: well lord snow, it appears you're the least useless person here..
Jon: i wouldn't put yourself down like that....but i agree
it's thorne is targaryan loyalist before been put in night watch?....
@@syahmishinac9223Yes. That’s why he hates Ned Stark and subsequently Jon.
@@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 well its fair...thorne character might be more interesting if he meet daenary when she returns on westeros
@@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 If Alliser learned that Jon is Rhaegar's son, after everything he put him through and even killing him, he would throw himself off the Wall.
Book jon would say that.
One of the actually pretty good bits of fight coreography. It gets the point accross that sword fights can be over in a few moves, and the difference between a trained, skilled fighter and an amateur is a vast gulf.
Back in medieval times, being rich actually meant you probably were a better fighter, unlike today.
Not really. Bronn is a commoner and a mercenary. Yet his skills was on equal level or better with established knights
@@ShadowMoon878 I mean in real life, being rich meant you had access to way better combat training, and sure there are a lot of exceptions, i mean generally.
Even today money can buy you karate lessons, gyn memberships, personal trainers, personal chefs, etc...
I've never seen a poor, sickly boy defeat a healthy, well trained one. Not even in 2024.
@@inthelandofmorethansmall7582 not unless you grew in one of the worse places in Earth and had to force to kill and rob for a living.
@@ShadowMoon878 Bronn fought his entire life, he does not represent the average man.
The way Lord Commander and his son died was breaking my heart. Both dies with dignity fully intact.
Jeor and Jorah. Jorah died doing what he wanted to die doing... But Jeor died from a surprise attack.
@@giganerd896 from his own men, no less
Allister is a loyal targaryan follower. Imagine if he finds out Jon was actually a targaryan maybe he would treat him differently and even follow him.
Doubt it. Jon proved himself several times, Throne still stabbed him in the back… well the front.
@@robpolaris7272 allister was sent to the wall for being a loyal supporter of the targaryans. He only pisses on Jon because all the while he thinks Jon is a bastard of Ned who killed his friends and comrades during the rebellion.
Ah yes, Commander Moment from the House of Moment.
Thorne was such an @sshole to Jon for literally no reason. What, because he's a knight, he thinks he's just better than Jon? You can't expect anyone to believe that Jon was the only "Snow" in Castle Black.
Thorne was just jealous, I think. Benjin Stark was better than him, more well-liked and came from a better family, so he was taking it out on Jon since Benjin wasn't there to put him in his place.
Thorne was a Targaryen loyalist, and hated Jon because of his father.
A great deal of it has to do with Thorne being a Targaryen loyalist
And he never changed , just died bitter and hating 😂
@@SlickSpeedy I came here just for this reason happy to see other people asking the same thing this man was literally a hater sense day 1 for no reason
@@TheSquad4life The worst part is, he would have supported Jon and probably will in the books when it was revealed he was a Targ.
“You broke my nose, bastard…” 👃🏻🩸
Load snow 😂 the most iconic words
Commander moment
He liked to bully him with a passion😂
Thorne: "Well, Lord Snow, it seems your the least useless person here."
Jon: "Hang around."
John Snow was no Viper, Brianne, or Jaime, or Hound, but he could beat everyone else in his time. He knew how to sword fight brilliantly and was fast.
I think if he was trained further, he'd be better than anyone but Jamie in his prime, he had true grit in battle against impossible odds, and if the books have a different ending than the show, will one day duel the Nightking himself.
It's not every day one gets to spar with the heir of the iron throne.
"Let's see if he can bleed."
In the businesses, this is called foreshadowing.
He is Batman
You know? If Thorne would’ve just pointed out to Jon that the others hadn’t been trained. Just like Tyrion did later, Thorne could’ve been painted in a more pleasurable light of being somewhat of a teacher.
Just finished this part of the book, love to see a short right after it lol.
Nice
I wish i could erase all the memory of this show and watch it again
Ironic that a Targaryn loyalist is belittling Rhaegar Targaryn's son there.
Tyrion : "How's that going, commander _Mormont?_
Subtitles : "What did he say? Moment? Yeah surely Moment. Commander Moment." 🤔😗👌
Slowly.
(You think we make any progress? fker?)
Ned Starks BASTID!
Jon has a great advantage, but it is also an obstacle for him, at least in his first moments at Castle Black.
Do you mind reminding me why is that?
I have a rewatch pending for me, but as of right now I cannot remember why this was a lesson for Jon
Those armors are so atrocious, my eyes are bleeding
I just saw an old episode of Midsomer Mysteries where Commander Mormont (James Cosmo) played an old hippie guitarist who rode a three-wheeled motorcycle. It... was... disorienting.
Such a shame what happened to this show at a the end.
What? I loved the ending to this show. Arya sailing off to bravos to find herself, with all the minor threads unresolved, perfectly getting across the narrative theme of intetweaving storylines without end? It was beautiful. Too bad we only got those 4 seasons tho.
We all love "Commander Moment"❤
His blood ain't just noble 😤
He became Commander MOMENT! 😅
Commander Moment seems like a wise man
Sad to see what he was then and what he became by the end of season 8.
Sad? He is the sane of anyone and eventually the best king or leader you could ever hope for, the one who doesn't seek power and control are precisely the ones you want I. That position , Dany was the female version. Of a young Hitler and Jon unselfishly did what he had to do to save who knows how many lives
@@danzemacabre8899 I meant with the awful writing of his character in season 8. He was a total simp.
@@harrison4286 lol hell, that was everyone especially littlefinger and varys, the two dipshit Dans and their cringe inducing dialogue trying to be GRRM but closer to dialogue written by Tommy Wiseau
Sad to see people still clinging to that...
@@harrison4286Only infantile incels use the word "simp". If you think it's l"humiliating" to love or follow a woman... Well, grow up then.
Jon whooped that assss
It was expected. Jon was raised in a castle with Master of Swords, training him to fight daily. His opponents are commons who may never even held a sword until that point with no one to train them.
Jon was a child and he was mad that the Night's Watch wasn't like he imagined in to be. Add Thorne's antagonistic and nick-naming behavior. He needed something to release his anger on. He was later corrected by Donal Noye. In the show's version, it was Tyrion.
I love ser Aliser Thorn's accent the way he says "Bastid" or "Castle"
Missed opportunity to play nokia standard ringtone in the end of the clip, when lord commander gets the note from the raven
Mormont saw good in jon snow
He saw an honorable man, with an identity issue and natural talent for fighting. He knew that if he gave Jon a purpose and some meaningful duty both would benefit tremendously from it.
He wanted him to be the next commander
When he reached for that letter it looked like he was getting his phone out lol
I bet this is the turning point in there relationship and they grow to have a long deep rooted friendship together.
Thorne was SO lucky Benjin vanished.
im reading books rn... there's no clearer character then alister thorne...both books and show depictions are just so one
Tyrion would have been an excellent addition to nights watch..
It’s ironic how much he hated Jon being a Targaryen loyalist
Always found it stupid that they trained with real swords, lol. One wrong swing & someone's dead
He says in this short that they're not real swords.
Wow... good captions...
As Jon Snow was going to the wall Tyrion could tell Jon Snow got angry too quickly, so Tyrion gave Jon a bit of knowledge,remember at Winterfell when he said to Jon your Ned starks bastard , wear it like armour it can never be used to hurt you, the first 4 seasons of game of thrones of were very good, and the last 4 seasons were I would like to forget, how they ruined that great show, it was like it was done on purpose, I wonder why ❓🤬🤬🤬🤬
God Jon was so beautiful here
Did they ever go into how after this first training, Jon starts to teach the boys how to fight? And supports the others in his group?
Yeah it’s why he ends up with most of their support, he gives them tips sort of relaxes a little more on them and earns their loyalty to the point where someone went to go fuck with Jon and they hold him down gag him and threaten him with ghost. They flood him into battle against the walkers
Yeah they did. Maybe it wasn't in the same episode but they did show Jon training the others how to fight.
How did Tyrion got there? i kinda forgot i. need to rewatch.
The gay firefighter from the thin blue line. ❤❤
Wonder if John Wields a Bastard Sword
Commander moment 😂
How did they manage to fuck up the end of this show so bad, It was almost impossible to fuck it up
Man jon is so much better in the books, book jon could give littlefinger a run for his money in terms of schemes
If it's one thing Got has over HotD, it's that I have no such hate for any character on there as I do for Alister, Joffery, Cersei etc.
Wow. They really give bastards hard time, every opportunity.
In this case, Alistair was a Targareyan loyalist who opposed Ned Stark. And now he has the son of Ned, even if he's a bastard, that he gets to take some measure of revenge on.
He really hated Jon because of Ned. Of course thats extremely petty since Jon had no hand in what happened.
Thanks guys. Didn't get to see every episode. But still ?! There are Soo many bastards running around, they practically outnumber the Legitimates!🤣😎
Thorne is being a prick here and it has been discussed in lenght. But there is also a little bit of logic here.
Jon is predictably the only one already trained in swordsmanship. By having the whole lot of the trainees antagonize him, thorne gives them a goal to reach and a benchmark to measure up to.
In the same time it makes the training much more difficult for jon since ge isn't training 1v1 but against a bunch of people. That way every one makes progress. The less skilled are more motivated and the most skilled is more challenged.
Of course he ruins it by being an a-hole which turns jon into the leader of the other recruits instead of a rival.
If that we a real sword being hammered against an anvil at literally air temperature, even at some megshift case hardening technique, world be fragile and broken the first time it touched anything hard enough.
A sword, by a master smith, would never be beaten completely cold. Yeah yeah case hardening and all that but not out in the open to the weather and the uncontrollable temperatures. Case hardening requires controlled ambient temps and hammering techniques just as much as controlled heating temps. A shops temperature and the fires temperature and the iron/steels temperature all matter importantly. Just as much as what amount of carbon your heat source imparts. In those days it was coal or charcoal. There's important differences between the two when smithing, especially in those days because they didn't have such refined high carbon steel. It was pig iron, or wrought iron at best.
Alistair Thorne was a G
Commander "Moment"?
I wander if George RR Martin got his inspiration for The Wall from Tolkien's Black Gate
Grande erro do Seriado. Aquele ali é o filho mais novo da família Roice, dos cavaleiros do Valle Arryn.
Ele seria, no mínimo, tão bom quanto o Snow
Alliser was an ass but there's no denying he was a leader.
Nice
You spelled "Cahstleh!!" wrong
Like father like son
Isn't this that guy who was made to take the black coz he supported Targeryans in the war & he didn't know John was one?
Aegon Targaryen fights well
What a show
They got there tho
What did the raven say
What was in the raven ??
Watch the next part of the short, you will know it
Corn, probably. Birdseed, little bits of meat. What's usually inside ravens?
Are all of these shorts just made with AI?? Like the captions are so obvious...
What a great show, until it became ultra woke and have a shitty little girl kill the ultimate enemy with a parlour trick move....what a disgusting end this show had.
😮😢😂
Its Jon not John
Imagine what Thorne’s reaction would be if he found out about who Jon’s real father was
Holy crap this show is such shit....
good old commander moment
Nobody in the history of ass whooping named pip has ever won a fight😂
Jon snows sword has the wolf head pommel in this scene but commander Mormont won't gift him that sword for another 3 episodes
He always had the wolf pommel. When Mormant gave his sword. The Bear pommel was removed and replaced with the wolf pommel from Snows sword.
That's not Stark's blood it's Targeriyan blood