Hope you all enjoy this. I was so glad to get an early look into this new mission kit and it’s packed full of new lore. More videos to come soon but I definitely recommend it if you wanna read some CP lore about the world/gangs/corps etc
@WiseFish could you do a what if of Morgan Blackhand , V or Adam Smasher raised David how skilled would David be under these legendary Edgerunners/mercs
Damn, I didn't think it was possible for me to like Rebecca more but she's just such a compassionate person under that loud and hotheaded exterior. She was too good for Night City
In Night City it’s not about what you deserve, it’s about what you get. Whether you deserve it or not. Started out as good people, who fell into Cyberpsychosis (Except for David because he already showed signs of Cyberpsychosis before getting chromed) but get screwed over at every turn just to make bad decisions on top of aaaallll that.
yea. I guess i know why many people feel kinda empty inside after watching this show: because they just didnt give enough attention to side characters. I wish they just made like some series between David being accepted into the crew and that final job where Maine died and when David became known in the streets. That would have been better cuz the time u get tied to characters they are already dead
@@Geskawary234 While having more time to know the characters would have been nice, I am not sure if doing so would have any point. Edgerunners is a prequel and because of this there is a hard limit to how much David and his crew can affect the status quo. No matter how many scabs or malestromers they kill, those gangs will still be around on 2077 and be just as powerful. No matter how many people they save, the city will not become safer. This is also an "issue" in Cyberpunk 2077, where your actions don't have lasting consequences on the city and it's gangs. But unlike in 2077, where the gigs were only sidequests and the main objective is trying to save yourself, Edgerunners is mostly about David doing these gigs - so making the show longer would end up revealing the truth that everything that they are doing has "no meaning"/"no lasting impact". Another problem with making the show longer is the lack of motivation that the characters have. Outside of Lucy who wants to go to the moon and David who wants to help her, none of the other characters have concrete objectives. They are mercenaries because that is what they do for a living. The show didn't even bother with a classic revenge plot about David tracking down the Animals that killed his mother.
I never really thought about it, but you’re right. The familiar audios that come from the game and into the anime, (calls, notifs, car horn, etc) are one of the reasons i loved CPER so much. Such a nice and comfortable vibe
Honestly, learning about the lore for all these characters only makes me appreciate the game all the more. Let alone the anime. Because even at 21:00. I know that NPC. I know that specfic cop because she tells you to be more stealthy and to roll your seat back so nobody can see you. I know the exact location as well. And just knowing that alone, makes smile knowing that even before the anime was out. You, (as V) was already somewhat connected in the great branch tree of night city legends. It just makes the world feel all the more connected and alive. WiseFish, I appreciate the work, time, and effort you put into these videos. From Edgerunners, to the different gangs, the legends of night city, and hell even how night city came to be. Even long after CDR goes onto make their new game. I'm still going to return to nightcity everynow and then. It's a main stay in my library.
Referencing Loeb, then cutting to the Ken Block Hoonigan tribute car before mentioning Verstappen was a particularly *chef's kiss* excellent editing/writing choice!
It's crazy just how huge the Cyber punk world is and how far they can go I'm actually excited to see what they can do with this universe. Another anime, movie, games, music the works.
If Sasha had not died Kiwi would have never been part of Maine's crew and the she would not have introduced Lucy to the gang And without Lucy you can't lure David into the edgerunner world
@rougestarlight4308 I doubt that, David still could've been lured since Maine would've still been looking for the sandevistan. That is IF arasaka didn't get to David first
I really love how Lucy's backstory was so sad before she have her parents they named are Takeshi Kushinada and Shimmer who left her when she was 12 years ago, but David's backstory was so sad too who was raised by his mother Gloria before she was pregnant with him for long time after she breaking up with her Unknown Ex Husband, and also Rebecca's backstory was great she and her older brother Pilar they have a father his named was Papa Sunrise but was so saddest backstories of the Edgerunners crew.
Wait, something is freaking off in Lucy's backstory. If her father was veteran of 4th corporate wat, meaning he was at least around 17 to 20 years old back than, and Lucy was born in between 2055 to 2057, that means he was a pretty old guy while parenting her. Either guy had enough cash to afford life extention tech, or the people outside confused him with her grandpa. Than again, Saburo had similiar issues with late parenting.
A lot are freaking off in Lucy's backstory.From the lore we have she was supposed to become a netrunner after she enrolled in the Arasaka facility but now she was netrunning from 7.
It should be possible. My dad was almost 50 when he had my little brother and my mom was 10 years younger. And the record for Oldest Natural Mom was Dawn Brooke at 57. Added to their rich lifestyle, they could also afford Life Extension Treatments.
It’s not really ridiculous to have kids later in your life. At the oldest he would have been around his early to mid 50’s, which is generally completely reasonable.
i mean, robert de niro just had a kid a couple months ago and hes a fossil. and in the cyberpunk universe, there are cybernetic treatments that extend people’s lifespans, and since Lucy’s father was an accomplished employee of Arasaka, its not a stretch to say he had access to healthcare and earned enough money to extend his life as well
awesome video, glad i pre ordered this book expecting to get more edgerunners lore from it. can't wait when it ships to me and play the RPG with the chooms.
Well, among the ideas of the fandom about the origins of the crew from Edgerunners, Maine being former NUSA was the most surprising. 😏 The consensus for Dorio was 'former Animal', and Becca and Pillar being former Corpo brats who lost everything. Boy, were they wrong 😂😂
Nah that’s the Exotics. The Animals are something between a Booster and an Exotic. Of course they didn’t put those in 2077 to reduce unneeded data usage I imagine.
While i really do enjoy all these backstories. Some of them feel...Off. LIke they are for the wrrong character if that makes sense. While i'd say most are very fitting , I feel as if Pillar's backstory doesn't fit his persoanlity or character. If anything it would fit if PIllar's backstory was Davids almost. I feel at least a bit like maybe he had to be slotted into rebecca's backstory due to them being siblings. He just..Doens't quite match up to his own backstory. While Lucy's backstory is...Boring. As it's littearly exactly what you'd exepct with no real new information. You can infer bascially all of it from the show. While Kiwi's is surprisginly sad and makes one really feel for and understand her. If anything, i feel it would of fit if Lucy had parts of Kiwi's backstory and Kiwi had parts of Lucy's story. As it wold fit their characters much bettter. Eeveryone else i'd say is pefect, espcially Maine's which is a surpise and yet also good twist. Funny how one choice could of had Maine as part of phantom liberty.
I always assume Lucy is an orphan- guess that is why she got that name. They make Maine stalk Dorio, which previously was just a rather obscure meme. Don't think the son of an Edgerunner is royalty, famous or not- think the term "royalty" only applies here if your surname is "Arasaka" I always assume Kiwi is a corpo who just has an old life crisis and decided to do crime, since she is literally 80-something years old (hence Rebecca calling her a hag). It is just she has replaced so much of her body the aging doesn't look obvious- guess I was way off. Of course Falco is born in Texas, and is basically Fast & Furious (without the family part) Finally, maybe because I just can't English, all I can hear from David's back story is we still don't know who his actual dad is, and her mom is hardcore enough to give birth herself and use a not that sanitary blade to cut the cord.
Dont take the is wrong way @WiseFish,excellent video,but everything about their backround feels extremely off and in Lucy's case directly contradicts what we have in the Edgerunners anime.Or the Maine somehow in the NUSA Black ops left just like that and Alex is still slaving for them for 7 years till she gets her retirement.Still love your channel btw.
You're conflating two different things. The NUSA spec ops was a branch their military, during the central American war. NUSA didn't force the people who served for them in a military capacity to stay in the military permanently once the war was over. Alex is a NUSA spy/secret agent. As we've seen NUSA isn't keen on letting their agents/spies walk away. What this video was saying is Reed offered him a job to potentially become an agent, but he turned it down
They literally didn't expand on Sasha's past at all? Like does the entry in the mission kit just have a QR code with a link to the music video? And there was also just almost nothing new about David compared to the others? There's story of his birth and as a kid he pulled a Tyler Durden and let himself be beaten. That's weird how detailed every other characters back story is now except for those two.
I guess it's mainly because David already has the entire anime for his story and Sasha has a succinct story in the music video. Neither REALLY has anything else we could want to hear. David was just a kid who grew up in Santo. Sasha was yet another gal who grew up with an interest in the Net and ended up chipping the chrome to be a Netrunner. Probably did some decent solo work before getting recruited into Maine's crew.
I agree, It really sucks we didn't learn much from them. Especially Sasha since we literally don't know anything about her outside the music video and a couple small facts. They could of done so much with her character but they didn't. Really hope that we do get some more lore from her and David in the future.
@@rougestarlight4308 What the hell does that have to do with Sasha? Even before these updated backgrounds there's always been less info about her than any edgerunner character
(RUclips won’t stop deleting my damn comment) I was hoping that Julio would be included in this. But I was really hyped for getting to see everyone’s last names and that didn’t happen.😭😭
@@Emperorityy While there is no debating Sasha positioned where she was due to her skills, Julio did had some potential. He just needed a few more beatings from Rebecca.😂😂
Hope you all enjoy this. I was so glad to get an early look into this new mission kit and it’s packed full of new lore. More videos to come soon but I definitely recommend it if you wanna read some CP lore about the world/gangs/corps etc
I do crave more 4th corp lore, more world lore too, JUST GIMME THAT CODEX OF LORE!!!!!!
@WiseFish could you do a what if of Morgan Blackhand , V or Adam Smasher raised David how skilled would David be under these legendary Edgerunners/mercs
I love how every other member had a tragic backstory or some trauma while Flaco is just a normal dude who just likes to drive cars
Falco is just that guy, he's him. Simple as that. Thats why he lived.
I don't carry a gun. I drive.
- Falco, probably
Poor Kiwi, when Maine lost it and smashed her jaw prosthetic, I imagine it gave her flashbacks to her past in the worst way.
RIP Kiwi 🫡😭😭
I'm honestly surprised she even associated with the crew after that, or that she took like a year to betray them
Gorilla arms are a mainstream item in Night City, so it may not be Maine.
@kagetsuki23 They're referring to the cyberpsychosis Maine began to undergo while Kiwi was in the Net.
Damn, I didn't think it was possible for me to like Rebecca more but she's just such a compassionate person under that loud and hotheaded exterior. She was too good for Night City
The Edgerunner crew all deserved better lives
I blame Faraday
@@WiseFish A fair target. Adam Smasher, too
Welcome to Pondsmith's Cyberpunk. Forget about happy endings.
In Night City it’s not about what you deserve, it’s about what you get. Whether you deserve it or not. Started out as good people, who fell into Cyberpsychosis (Except for David because he already showed signs of Cyberpsychosis before getting chromed) but get screwed over at every turn just to make bad decisions on top of aaaallll that.
It's okay, choom. Get the mission kit and give them the happy ending they deserve!
I knew Rebecca was pretty kind by night city standards, but I had no idea she was so sweet. Damn shame she met her demise.. Really liked her.
She was my crush. Unfortunately, she was Adam Smashers crush too.
@@Jimvenice2008 😂😂 good one asshole. Now take my like and gtfo here! 🖕
This show deserved more seasons and character development. It was the only reason why I returned to the game, I wish I could see them again
yea. I guess i know why many people feel kinda empty inside after watching this show: because they just didnt give enough attention to side characters. I wish they just made like some series between David being accepted into the crew and that final job where Maine died and when David became known in the streets. That would have been better cuz the time u get tied to characters they are already dead
@@Geskawary234 While having more time to know the characters would have been nice, I am not sure if doing so would have any point. Edgerunners is a prequel and because of this there is a hard limit to how much David and his crew can affect the status quo. No matter how many scabs or malestromers they kill, those gangs will still be around on 2077 and be just as powerful. No matter how many people they save, the city will not become safer.
This is also an "issue" in Cyberpunk 2077, where your actions don't have lasting consequences on the city and it's gangs. But unlike in 2077, where the gigs were only sidequests and the main objective is trying to save yourself, Edgerunners is mostly about David doing these gigs - so making the show longer would end up revealing the truth that everything that they are doing has "no meaning"/"no lasting impact".
Another problem with making the show longer is the lack of motivation that the characters have. Outside of Lucy who wants to go to the moon and David who wants to help her, none of the other characters have concrete objectives. They are mercenaries because that is what they do for a living. The show didn't even bother with a classic revenge plot about David tracking down the Animals that killed his mother.
@@AresCJ8 I wish I could like your comment more than once. I feel exactly the same way. I miss these characters so much.
I never really thought about it, but you’re right. The familiar audios that come from the game and into the anime, (calls, notifs, car horn, etc) are one of the reasons i loved CPER so much. Such a nice and comfortable vibe
Honestly, learning about the lore for all these characters only makes me appreciate the game all the more. Let alone the anime. Because even at 21:00. I know that NPC. I know that specfic cop because she tells you to be more stealthy and to roll your seat back so nobody can see you.
I know the exact location as well. And just knowing that alone, makes smile knowing that even before the anime was out. You, (as V) was already somewhat connected in the great branch tree of night city legends. It just makes the world feel all the more connected and alive.
WiseFish, I appreciate the work, time, and effort you put into these videos. From Edgerunners, to the different gangs, the legends of night city, and hell even how night city came to be.
Even long after CDR goes onto make their new game. I'm still going to return to nightcity everynow and then. It's a main stay in my library.
I second this very heavily. Why isn’t this comment pinned 😭
It’s almost poetic, after that kid beat him up, he just started laughing, and then when Adam Smasher beat him up, he laughed again.
Rewatching this, especially Rebecca's and Pilar's part, after reading the first chapter of the manga just puts a smile on my face
"when in doubt, flat out" - falco, probably
@@atonofshrooms Colin McRae
Referencing Loeb, then cutting to the Ken Block Hoonigan tribute car before mentioning Verstappen was a particularly *chef's kiss* excellent editing/writing choice!
Watching this back in December 2024, Sasha's story hits different _if you know what I mean._
Also, Gloria Martinez is an absolute badass.
I always had hope in cyberpunk the show just made everything better
I love the Seb Loeb reference, truly one of the greatest drivers in history
It's crazy just how huge the Cyber punk world is and how far they can go
I'm actually excited to see what they can do with this universe.
Another anime, movie, games, music the works.
I'm so early the video is still processing
now to sit back and watch, have a great weekend everyone
Still processing? It says it finished on my end!
@@WiseFish *evil grin
And here I thought I cannot love Becca more...
30:45
“Let you Down” starts playing 🥲🥲
Sasha could've been one to really understand David, but what night city gives, it also takes...damn corpo cu-
If Sasha had not died Kiwi would have never been part of Maine's crew and the she would not have introduced Lucy to the gang
And without Lucy you can't lure David into the edgerunner world
@rougestarlight4308 I doubt that, David still could've been lured since Maine would've still been looking for the sandevistan. That is IF arasaka didn't get to David first
@@noway5238 I think I read somewhere that Lucy told Maine specifically not to kill/harm David, so maybe he'd have just died then. Who knows.
Fantastic video mate!!! We all appreciate your work and the time that goes into it!!!!
Falco was basically the driver from Drive then
Just soaking up the new content, the anime was amazing and really hit some sweet spots with me
An edgerunners video on my birthday damn I’m eating good this year
Happy birthday dude!
@@WiseFish thanks man
@@med5674happy birthday choom
Happy birthday!
Sad birthday
I really love how Lucy's backstory was so sad before she have her parents they named are Takeshi Kushinada and Shimmer who left her when she was 12 years ago, but David's backstory was so sad too who was raised by his mother Gloria before she was pregnant with him for long time after she breaking up with her Unknown Ex Husband, and also Rebecca's backstory was great she and her older brother Pilar they have a father his named was Papa Sunrise but was so saddest backstories of the Edgerunners crew.
Wait, something is freaking off in Lucy's backstory. If her father was veteran of 4th corporate wat, meaning he was at least around 17 to 20 years old back than, and Lucy was born in between 2055 to 2057, that means he was a pretty old guy while parenting her. Either guy had enough cash to afford life extention tech, or the people outside confused him with her grandpa. Than again, Saburo had similiar issues with late parenting.
I dono, if he was 20 when the 4th corporate war ended he’d be 50 when Lucy was born. Granted it’s older but it’s not unheard of.
A lot are freaking off in Lucy's backstory.From the lore we have she was supposed to become a netrunner after she enrolled in the Arasaka facility but now she was netrunning from 7.
It should be possible. My dad was almost 50 when he had my little brother and my mom was 10 years younger. And the record for Oldest Natural Mom was Dawn Brooke at 57. Added to their rich lifestyle, they could also afford Life Extension Treatments.
It’s not really ridiculous to have kids later in your life. At the oldest he would have been around his early to mid 50’s, which is generally completely reasonable.
i mean, robert de niro just had a kid a couple months ago and hes a fossil. and in the cyberpunk universe, there are cybernetic treatments that extend people’s lifespans, and since Lucy’s father was an accomplished employee of Arasaka, its not a stretch to say he had access to healthcare and earned enough money to extend his life as well
Edgerunners is one of the best anime’s ever
U should peep ninja kumai. Def not better than this but still pretty good
@@Myopinion23Ninja Kamui started good but had the worst last three episodes I’ve ever watched, went from a 9/10 to a 3/10
man its cool to know maine knew reed
S. Loeb,Grandmaster of Rally racing… reference understood
Young pilar seems like a cool guy
Incredible stuff! Well played.
awesome video, glad i pre ordered this book expecting to get more edgerunners lore from it. can't wait when it ships to me and play the RPG with the chooms.
Been waiting for this masterpiece ❤
Edgerunners is what inspired me to try the game, it did not disappoint.
Did not expect to hear Sebastian Loeb mentioned in this video 😅
33:42 already preordered mine! i think i read theyre gonna start shipping them out on the 24th! i CANNOT WAIT!!!
Well, among the ideas of the fandom about the origins of the crew from Edgerunners, Maine being former NUSA was the most surprising. 😏 The consensus for Dorio was 'former Animal', and Becca and Pillar being former Corpo brats who lost everything. Boy, were they wrong 😂😂
The animals Gang, make themselves look like the animals they most related , AKA the Furries in Cyberpunk 2077.
Funny how they looked nothing like that. Cept roided up meat heads.
Nah that’s the Exotics. The Animals are something between a Booster and an Exotic. Of course they didn’t put those in 2077 to reduce unneeded data usage I imagine.
Just imagine your mother's jacket becoming iconic, and something everyone wants to wear.
I fucking love cyberpunk man
WRC are some of the best drivers in the world. All Sebastian are one of kind be hind the wheels
Finally started playing last week. Already a cyborg ninja baraka.
New Wise video when I’m bored at work? Unlike the Avatar, you were there when needed the most!
Hope work goes well for you dude
My boy David 💙
So good! This was great to watch
Sebastian Loeb, 9 TIME WRC Champ baby!! I love Rally!! 10/10 reference.
You didn't take me to the moon. But you were there with me...
who knew wisefish was a motorsport fan too
4.5k in 7 hours? Dude should have never stopped being wow such i pain't with my own blood's editor
Long live the Edgerunners
While i really do enjoy all these backstories. Some of them feel...Off. LIke they are for the wrrong character if that makes sense. While i'd say most are very fitting , I feel as if Pillar's backstory doesn't fit his persoanlity or character. If anything it would fit if PIllar's backstory was Davids almost. I feel at least a bit like maybe he had to be slotted into rebecca's backstory due to them being siblings. He just..Doens't quite match up to his own backstory.
While Lucy's backstory is...Boring. As it's littearly exactly what you'd exepct with no real new information. You can infer bascially all of it from the show. While Kiwi's is surprisginly sad and makes one really feel for and understand her. If anything, i feel it would of fit if Lucy had parts of Kiwi's backstory and Kiwi had parts of Lucy's story. As it wold fit their characters much bettter.
Eeveryone else i'd say is pefect, espcially Maine's which is a surpise and yet also good twist. Funny how one choice could of had Maine as part of phantom liberty.
Ohhhh Sasha was the Kushinov Ilya OC
I always assume Lucy is an orphan- guess that is why she got that name.
They make Maine stalk Dorio, which previously was just a rather obscure meme.
Don't think the son of an Edgerunner is royalty, famous or not- think the term "royalty" only applies here if your surname is "Arasaka"
I always assume Kiwi is a corpo who just has an old life crisis and decided to do crime, since she is literally 80-something years old (hence Rebecca calling her a hag). It is just she has replaced so much of her body the aging doesn't look obvious- guess I was way off.
Of course Falco is born in Texas, and is basically Fast & Furious (without the family part)
Finally, maybe because I just can't English, all I can hear from David's back story is we still don't know who his actual dad is, and her mom is hardcore enough to give birth herself and use a not that sanitary blade to cut the cord.
Rebecca is a damn PRINCESS did not see that coming.🥲
Makes her story that much more tragic.
A fan of WRC myself.
I just saw it. I wanna stay at your house will give me ptsd in game from now on. 😂. Now I understand why...
Great video with a WRC and an F1 reference?? 👏
Any talk in the sandy?
was sasha in the show? I dont remember those scenes
Cool vid bro.😺
Dont take the is wrong way @WiseFish,excellent video,but everything about their backround feels extremely off and in Lucy's case directly contradicts what we have in the Edgerunners anime.Or the Maine somehow in the NUSA Black ops left just like that and Alex is still slaving for them for 7 years till she gets her retirement.Still love your channel btw.
It's obvious why. Mike didnt create these characters.
TRIGGER did.
Pondsmith is just exploiting the Edgerunner fame for a cash grab expansion pack
@@digivagrant CDPR made those characters except Rebeca
You're conflating two different things. The NUSA spec ops was a branch their military, during the central American war. NUSA didn't force the people who served for them in a military capacity to stay in the military permanently once the war was over. Alex is a NUSA spy/secret agent. As we've seen NUSA isn't keen on letting their agents/spies walk away.
What this video was saying is Reed offered him a job to potentially become an agent, but he turned it down
I wish I had chooms to play with..
new profile pic looks nice!
Cheers choom! Very happy with it :)
Just want to say it “R Talsorian” not “R Taslorian” as you were saying in the video haha. I did a double take each time you said it.
They literally didn't expand on Sasha's past at all? Like does the entry in the mission kit just have a QR code with a link to the music video?
And there was also just almost nothing new about David compared to the others? There's story of his birth and as a kid he pulled a Tyler Durden and let himself be beaten.
That's weird how detailed every other characters back story is now except for those two.
I guess it's mainly because David already has the entire anime for his story and Sasha has a succinct story in the music video. Neither REALLY has anything else we could want to hear. David was just a kid who grew up in Santo. Sasha was yet another gal who grew up with an interest in the Net and ended up chipping the chrome to be a Netrunner. Probably did some decent solo work before getting recruited into Maine's crew.
I agree, It really sucks we didn't learn much from them. Especially Sasha since we literally don't know anything about her outside the music video and a couple small facts. They could of done so much with her character but they didn't. Really hope that we do get some more lore from her and David in the future.
David is the protagonist of the anime, and Sasha is just another victim of Night City and has her own music video
Ever heard of "show, dont tell"
@@rougestarlight4308 What the hell does that have to do with Sasha? Even before these updated backgrounds there's always been less info about her than any edgerunner character
Sebastián Loeb, from WRC
Where can I see the prequel part of Edgerunners?
Prequel part? All the information is in the new mission kit coming out next week.
@@WiseFishI think he was talking about the animation in the Sasha section
@@noname-zt2zk yeah that part. I wasn’t even aware that of its existence until WiseFish posted a video that mentioned it
@@PoisedK1NG_P1N Oh, that's a music video. Just search "let you down edgerunners" and you'll find it.
@@PoisedK1NG_P1Nthe music video for Let You Down
Can we get a video about Faraday.
as a french fan of cyberpunk, i'm glad that falco has been compared to sebastien Loeb !!
Hell yea dawg
"texas version of max verstappen" T-T
Sebastien Loeb 😁. He comes from near my place.
wait who is Sasha? where are these animated scenes from?? I missed something and u need to knowwww
its from a music video to Edgerunners ending song: Let you down by Dawid Podsiadlo
ruclips.net/video/BnnbP7pCIvQ/видео.html
Is anyone else getting weird audio gaps?
I didn't think there was much that could make me like Lucy less than I already did... Then they made her backstory
I got the reference
(RUclips won’t stop deleting my damn comment) I was hoping that Julio would be included in this. But I was really hyped for getting to see everyone’s last names and that didn’t happen.😭😭
Brotha he died in his 1st mission aint much to talk about
@@Emperorityy He had more screen time than Sasha, hasn’t he?
@KuuziliBurst yeah but he was your average rookie sasha was a skilled netrunner with a good reason for doing what she does
@@Emperorityy While there is no debating Sasha positioned where she was due to her skills, Julio did had some potential. He just needed a few more beatings from Rebecca.😂😂
Well i guess thats true😂@@shadow_burst08
WISEFISH THE GOAT
Going from Sebastian Loeb to Max? That seems like a downgrade since Seb pretty much wins in anything he drives!
hayır
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